Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance

This should not shock anyone who thinks things thru!

This means Barack is either arrogant or is incompetent. 

My personal opinion is that he is arrogant. Barack and all the people like him in gov't think they know what is best for everyone. People are now being forced into insurance plans that cover things they do not need covered and as a result are seeing their premiums jump from their old plans.

Obama, knowingly, lied to the entire population on this point.  There is no other way to phrase it -- he flat out lied and knew he was lying.

Before this mess, I say estimates from 30 to 45 million people who did not have insurance.  Now, I'm reading estimates, that after Obamacare is fully implemented, there will still be 30 million uninsured.  If true, that is miserable.  All this work and expense for so little to show for it. 

If, a private insurance company made the promises Obama made at the start of this fiasco, he would be doing the perp walk, heading for the graybar hotel. 

We've been saying hes a liar for years.  And not a very good one.  I wonder if politifact.com will give him a 'pants on fire' rating for his comment about being able to keep your current policy?

If the GOP has any brains at all (and its debatable) they will play Obama's infamous line "If you like your health insurance you can keep it" in every commercial for the upcoming midterm elections and then show how many people in that State lost coverage because it didn't meet the new guidelines. 

That line, plus Pelosi's "We have to pass it to know what's in it." are gold.

Hillary's "Why does it matter?" will be the same in 2016, if she runs. 

I find it amusing a number of Democrat members of Congress are now in favor of delaying the individual requirement for a year.  While, Republican members of Congress are in the "you bought it , its yours" mode.  I would suggest Boehner not lead a delay effort, simply tell his members to vote their conscience.  Dog in the manger isn't a pretty picture. 

http://investigations.nbcnews....h-insurance#comments

Even the liberal media (MSNBC) is finding this deplorable.  This may truly be the nail in the coffin for the Dems.  The independents are now seeing that the Republican predictions were correct, and that Obama was lying, just like in the gun fiasco, and the Benghazi debacle.  This will go down as one of the most corrupt and inept administrations in history.  Jimmy Carter is probably smiling like Cheshire cat.

In a press announcement, Obamacare will not require insurers to protect against Sharknados.  However, zombie attacks are to be insured.  However, it must be zombies, and not Democrat voters -- sometimes, its hard to distinguish between the undead and the brain dead.

I still think the reason that Obama care has been fought so hard is because it just might work out and the millions given to certain reelection war chests will dry up.

What does that have to do with Obama lying about people being able to keep their existing plans?

jdavis,

At what point do you admit this was not well thought out nor devised?  When the federal offices admit that up to 80% of people will be forced to buy a product they either do not need or do not want, it is a bad idea.  I take it your costs will not go up or your policy change in any way?  If so you should consider yourself one of the lucky 20% that will benefit from the inconvenience of the rest of us.

This act by the administration was like a band-aid placed on an oozing scab. It is trying to address too much, too quickly, and use other people's money to do it.

No point trying to ask jt anything. He has always "heard" or "read" something that disputes anything you post. Never a link from him, just things he heard, read, or conjured up. 

I am reminded of an uncle I had who would buy the worst possible car that Chrysler would sell.  He worked for them for years and was convinced that they would never put out a bad product.  The car would fall apart in a short time, and it was always in the shop, but he was continously singing its praises. Meanwhile, his brothers would just smile and listen to him tell what a wonderful investment that car had been and what a great product it was.  He was never convinced what a piece of crap he had bought, and even when no dealer would offer him anything of value in exchange for his bad purchase he was convinced it was "their" loss.

Most of the Obama supporters are similar.  They continue to sing his praises or cry "we would be in a worse condition if someone else had been elected", but I would like to think that somewhere down in their soul they are asking themselves "what was I thinking?"

Concerning health insurance,  something had to change.

One other thing, I do not look at "links" until I find one that supports my position

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LOL! No surprise there.

Yeah, nothing like an open mind....haha

I do not look at "links" until I find one that supports my position

The only thing worse than having tunnel vision and being stupid is openly admitting it!!

One more posting. Chuck Farley posted a link to an NBC "investigative" report.  It was full of might happen, could happen, expected to start.

It had one set of numbers:  A 62 year old man and his wife (age not given) was paying $228 per month for their family policy.  Because of Obama care, a comparable plan was going to cost $1208 per month and had a $5,500 deductable amount.  Anyone care to defend a 62 year old getting a family policy for $228 per month?  

So far, there have been 20 postings to the original item. Three of them stated an opinion and sixteen of them were insulting.  That's really having an open mind.

Insulting to who?

Here is an interview with 2 middle class realtors that have lost their current plans die to Obomacare. These are not evil rich people. They are just normal folks who now have less take home pay thanks to Barack.

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/...amp;video=3000211887

The lies may be continuing to mount up. The price quotes for the handful of people who got into the exchange might be a little off:

(CBS News) CBS News has uncovered a serious pricing problem with HealthCare.gov. It stems from the Obama administration's efforts to improve its health care website. A new online feature can dramatically underestimate the cost of insurance.

The administration announced it would provide a new "shop and browse" feature Sunday, but it's not giving consumers the real picture. In some cases, people could end up paying double of what they see on the website, CBS News' Jan Crawford reported Wednesday on "CBS This Morning." 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50...can-be-off-the-mark/

If he could obtain insurance for $228 a month good for him. What's wrong with that? Is he not paying his "fair share" for insurance? 

Come January 2015, hopefully, there will be a Republican majority in both Houses.  Upon Obama giving his State of the Union address, the entire body of Republicans should rise and shout, "You lie!"

I will ask the question again, what type and how good of health coverage can you buy for $228?

In my dealings with local insurance, a policy with a local union costs about $850 per month, with TVA, you can get the middle policy valued at $1250 per month and you pay about $300 , or TVA's best policy is about $2200 per month and you pay about $800 per month.  A friend retired when Murray went broke in Lawrenceburg.  He was about 2 years from medicare and insurance cost him $4000 per month.

Obamacare was supposed to be Obama's crown jewel.  Instead, its a stinking little thing that gets worse as time goes by.

Come 2014 elections, the Republicans can nail this tail on the Democrat donkey with a railroad spike. 

with the stupidity displayed by the republicans, they couldn't buy a majority in the house, or the senate. at the rate they're going, they'll lose more seats than they think possible.. and we'll all be in for another round of the 'voter fraud butthurt'.

http://www.theblaze.com/storie...-stunning-admission/

She learned that President Obama’s promise, “if you like your health plan, you can keep it,” was not true for everyone.

When Foster lost his reelection bid, Klinkhamer was out of a job and in need of individual insurance. Three years ago, she reportedly paid $225 a month with a $2,500 deductible. Her rates steadily increased and she was paying $291 a month with a $3,500 deductible as of Sept. 1, the Chicago Sun-Times reports.

Then she got “the letter” that people across the country are currently receiving in the mail.

“Blue Cross stated my current coverage would expire on Dec. 31, and here are my options: I can have a plan with similar benefits for $647.12 [or] I can have a plan with similar [but higher] pricing for $322.32 but with a $6,500 deductible,” Klinkhamer wrote.

“Blue Cross also tells me that if I don’t pick one of the options, they will just assume I want the one for $647. … Someone please tell me why my premium in January will be $356 more than in December?” she added.

Klinkhamer says she is still a Democrat and believes in “health care for all,” but argued “this is not affordable to me.”

“Just call it, the Available Care Act,” she quipped.

What was covered by the old plan and what is covered by the new plan?

About 60% of existing plans did not cover maternity care, (I don't like that, I'm 65),about 20% of old ones didn't cover mental care(I probably need that), About 9% of existing plans didn't cover drugs.  Obama care requires all of that to be covered and have a deductable amount not to exceed $5,000 (not certain on the deductable amount)

The Democrats lied to push this program,  It will make a nice meme in the future.. 

The democrats can’t tell the truth and win elections.

everyone knows republicans don't lie.

As the MSM finally investigates this mess, more and more its revealed they lied and knew they were lying.

From NBC, "Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS
that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that  many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”  

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”  

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them. 

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.' "

http://investigations.nbcnews....ealth-insurance?lite

Viewing the congressional hearings, one can hear Waxman using weasel words to obfuscate the truth. 

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Still no links, and too, I'd like to know what insurance costs $4000.00 a month.

Maternity, breast cancer, drug and alcohol treatment, and mental health issues.  All I would not as a 66 year old male require.  Although, it has been suggested that repeated contact with me may require those persons may require mental health treatment.    I drive the left crazy!

Jdavis, arguing with these knuckle heads is more comical by the moment when their only motive is hacking prosperity and healthcare. One might ask why this is the case? Answer: they are just mean people. Mean is the only logical conclusion since their objective is to deny health coverage to individuals and to have the middle class and poor class to work in sweat shops for minimum wage, a wage they will not work for themselves.

jt,

What you said is th eprobelm.  Not everyone out there needs maternity care but yet it is required on these plans, and therefore everyone who wishes to maintain their coverage under the same plan will have to pay for it.  insurance is about spreading the liability.  Previously, these plans could basically count out maternity care on a 45-50 year old and could adjust their prices accordingly, however now, the government is forcing these places to include it, and you will either pay for it, or get another plan.  the other plans usually have a higher deductible.  The insurance companies were in bed with the Dems who wrote this monstrosity.  They were laughing the entire time at the fact that not only would insurance be required, they could basically sale you something that would cost you as much, but pay out less.

As of this morning according to the MSM, 4% of Alabama BCBS customers will be getting their termination notices on certain policies.  Wanna take a bet on how much of an increase they will see with their new policies?  Everyone of them who moans to me about it will be reminded that Obama and his ilk did this, and this is what they get for putting him in office.  Hopefully, it will not be forgotten when the next election occurs and we can wash this nasty taste from our mouths.