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Unbelievable!  The Obama administration wants to grant immunity for anyone from south of the border, yet ignores this family and says nothing about their deportation. 

 

I can make a good guess which party this Christian family would vote for if they could.  Guess the American dream is only good for future liberal voters.....

 

http://www.theblaze.com/storie...-deportation-appeal/

 

The U.S. Supreme Court has ordered the Obama administration to officially respond to a German family’s deportation appeal in a complicated case involving religious freedom, parental rights and education.

 

 

Beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life here......

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Sorry but the story sounds fishy. "Fleeing" over homeschooling? Enough money to move all of them to the US, or are we, once again, footing the bill?  Asylum from "fines and jail time" for breaking the law? Hmmmmmm

 

Well, when your children are forced to go to a government controlled school, and fed governments lies, all while you are being told you have no choice in the matter, I would say that is a pretty big reason to request asylum.

 

At least this family is trying to do things the right way in their journey to this country.  Last I checked, most of the folks here are not 'Native American' - myself included.  We are the melting pot of mostly outcasts who wanted a better life.  My only issue with the current situation from south of the border is that they came here illegally, and we are going to reward them by letting them stay.

 

As for Germany, Google is your friend:

 

At 8:00 a.m. on Thursday, August 29, 2013, in what has been called a “brutal and vicious act,” a team of 20 social workers, police officers, and special agents stormed a homeschooling family’s residence near Darmstadt, Germany, forcibly removing all four of the family’s children (ages 7-14). The sole grounds for removal were that the parents, Dirk and Petra Wunderlich, continued to homeschool their children in defiance of a German ban on home education.

 

http://www.hslda.org/hs/intern...ermany/201308300.asp

 

 

For one whole year Thomas and Marit foam are to go behind bars Because They Are not willing to entrust Their children to a public school. The state's attempt to force the couple from Northern Hessia by maximum punishment to act against Their deep convictions bears totalitarian traits. The case will be heard at the regional court of Kassel on October 16, 2013.

 

http://derblauebrief.net/deman...-for-home-education/

 

One of the recommendations from the UN Human Rights Councils Special Report on Germany:

 

......That the necessary measures should be adopted to ensure that the home
schooling system is properly supervised by the State, thereby upholding the right of
parents to employ this form of education when necessary and appropriate, bearing in mind
the best interests of the child;

 

http://www.hslda.org/hs/intern...ssion_on_Germany.pdf

 

 

One of the current cases in Germany:

 

....The applicants belong to a Christian community which is strongly
attached to the Bible and reject the attendance of private or State schools for
religious reasons. The applicant parents find that school education does not
suit their beliefs because of sex education, the appearance of mythical
creatures such as witches and dwarfs in fairytales during school lessons and
the increasing physical and psychological violence between pupils at school.

 

http://www.hslda.org/hs/intern.../KONRAD_Decision.pdf

 

 

 

Well, when your children are forced to go to a government controlled school, and fed governments lies, all while you are being told you have no choice in the matter, I would say that is a pretty big reason to request asylum.

 

At least this family is trying to do things the right way in their journey to this country.  Last I checked, most of the folks here are not 'Native American' - myself included.  We are the melting pot of mostly outcasts who wanted a better life.  My only issue with the current situation from south of the border is that they came here illegally, and we are going to reward them by letting them stay.

 

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http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/germanschools.html

....The applicants belong to a Christian community which is strongly
attached to the Bible and reject the attendance of private or State schools for
religious reasons. The applicant parents find that school education does not
suit their beliefs because of sex education, the appearance of mythical
creatures such as witches and dwarfs in fairytales during school lessons and
the increasing physical and psychological violence between pupils at school.

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So they want to come to the US where there is sex education, mythical creatures in fairy tales and physical and psychological violence every where they look? 

We are the melting pot of mostly outcasts who wanted a better life.  

 

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That was then, this is now. So what changed? Why are things getting worse? Pretty simple. It's not the same "class" of immigrants. We aren't getting people who want to work and improve the country anymore. I wonder how many people actually think about the future. Where will this country be in 20 years at the rate we're going? 

With all those the administration is allowing to remain, Obama's insistence upon a single family being expelled appears almost irrational.  Almost, until one realizes the parents resist the power of the state to demand what their children are taught and are Christians.  Both offend Obama.  Resisting the power of the state offends his progressive side.  Being Christians offends his own beliefs.  No, Obama is not a muslim.  He worships of the shrine of Himself -- The Graven Image of Obama. 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Sorry but the story sounds fishy. "Fleeing" over homeschooling? Enough money to move all of them to the US, or are we, once again, footing the bill?  Asylum from "fines and jail time" for breaking the law? Hmmmmmm

It is true you cannot home school in Germany, it was part of the briefing we received when my company opened a domicile in Cologne.

SOriginally Posted by Bestworking:

Well, when your children are forced to go to a government controlled school, and fed governments lies, all while you are being told you have no choice in the matter, I would say that is a pretty big reason to request asylum.

 

At least this family is trying to do things the right way in their journey to this country.  Last I checked, most of the folks here are not 'Native American' - myself included.  We are the melting pot of mostly outcasts who wanted a better life.  My only issue with the current situation from south of the border is that they came here illegally, and we are going to reward them by letting them stay.

 

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http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/germanschools.html

And?

 

From your link above:

 

Home Schooling

Home schooling is illegal in Germany. The law requiring students to attend public schools or approved private schools has been upheld despite challenges to it.

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

We are the melting pot of mostly outcasts who wanted a better life.  

 

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That was then, this is now. So what changed? Why are things getting worse? Pretty simple. It's not the same "class" of immigrants. We aren't getting people who want to work and improve the country anymore. I wonder how many people actually think about the future. Where will this country be in 20 years at the rate we're going? 

 

No, we are turning away the class "who want to work and improve the country" - this is a prime example - and letting criminals (illegal immigrants) stay.  We get what we ask for and, as a country, we seem to be asking for more illegals and making it difficult for "quality" immigrants to come to this country.....

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

....The applicants belong to a Christian community which is strongly
attached to the Bible and reject the attendance of private or State schools for
religious reasons. The applicant parents find that school education does not
suit their beliefs because of sex education, the appearance of mythical
creatures such as witches and dwarfs in fairytales during school lessons and
the increasing physical and psychological violence between pupils at school.

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So they want to come to the US where there is sex education, mythical creatures in fairy tales and physical and psychological violence every where they look? 

No, where they have the freedom to choose their educational situation.

Originally Posted by direstraits:

With all those the administration is allowing to remain, Obama's insistence upon a single family being expelled appears almost irrational.  Almost, until one realizes the parents resist the power of the state to demand what their children are taught and are Christians.  Both offend Obama.  Resisting the power of the state offends his progressive side.  Being Christians offends his own beliefs.  No, Obama is not a muslim.  He worships of the shrine of Himself -- The Graven Image of Obama. 

 

Personally, I think a personal phone call was made to the Obama Administration from Germany - asking for the denial of asylum.  The last thing that Germany would want is the US reinforcing the idea that the choice of who educates your children is a fundamental right, which is not the belief of the German government.

 

The family hits the nail on the head about government controlled education.  Look at how the Liberal college education system is now.  Imagine if the elementary education system was pushing a Liberal agenda and we, as citizens, didnt have the ability to pull our children from that system.  Eventually, more and more of the population would lean Liberal due to it being introduced and reinforced over years of public education, even if the parents tried to tell the kids differently at home.  

Originally Posted by Capt James T:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

We are the melting pot of mostly outcasts who wanted a better life.  

 

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That was then, this is now. So what changed? Why are things getting worse? Pretty simple. It's not the same "class" of immigrants. We aren't getting people who want to work and improve the country anymore. I wonder how many people actually think about the future. Where will this country be in 20 years at the rate we're going? 

 

No, we are turning away the class "who want to work and improve the country" - this is a prime example - and letting criminals (illegal immigrants) stay.  We get what we ask for and, as a country, we seem to be asking for more illegals and making it difficult for "quality" immigrants to come to this country.....

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Well, "class", imo, also mean truthfulness. No one I know asked for the illegal immigrant problem we have today. ALL I can find about these people are, "they're christians"!!  Well, germany is full of christians that don't have a problem with the schools, so why are these and some others different? The only way to avoid this country's myths, fairy tales, violence is to shut the children up in their home and never allow them out, and never let them interact with anyone else. Doesn't sound like they're going to be very productive citizens when they have NO idea of how this country "works". And, once more, I never posted that homeschooling was not illegal, I said using that as an excuse was "fishy". 

Originally Posted by Capt James T:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

....The applicants belong to a Christian community which is strongly
attached to the Bible and reject the attendance of private or State schools for
religious reasons. The applicant parents find that school education does not
suit their beliefs because of sex education, the appearance of mythical
creatures such as witches and dwarfs in fairytales during school lessons and
the increasing physical and psychological violence between pupils at school.

 -----------------------

So they want to come to the US where there is sex education, mythical creatures in fairy tales and physical and psychological violence every where they look? 

No, where they have the freedom to choose their educational situation.

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Not all governments enable  the same set of freedoms as this Nation does.  It is Germany's business if they desire to require public schooling and prohibit home schooling. Those German nationals who object to such an arrangement can opt to seek citizenship elsewhere, but they have no grounds for seeking asylum as political refugees. This nation should not use its courts or its agencies as a means of advancing the dissenting views of disgruntled citizens of other nations.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

And? I never said it wasn't illegal.

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From your link above:

 

Home Schooling

Home schooling is illegal in Germany. The law requiring students to attend public schools or approved private schools has been upheld despite challenges to it.

What was the point of the link posted?

 

Originally Posted by Contendah:
 

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Not all governments enable  the same set of freedoms as this Nation does.  It is Germany's business if they desire to require public schooling and prohibit home schooling. Those German nationals who object to such an arrangement can opt to seek citizenship elsewhere, but they have no grounds for seeking asylum as political refugees. This nation should not use its courts or its agencies as a means of advancing the dissenting views of disgruntled citizens of other nations.

 

If they are being persecuted for not believing the political policies of Germany (banning of home schooling, IMO, is a political policy enacted to ensure that children are exposed and taught the 'approved' political beliefs), why would we not grant them political asylum?  Home schooled children can be tested using standardized tests to ensure basic educational material is covered - we do it in the US everyday.  

 

And homeschooled kids, while shielded from things like abortion and safe sex (some parents prefer their kids only learn and practice abstinence), can be properly exposed to society.  We have numerous friends who homeschool - they do outings and field trips with other homeschoolers and with non homeschoolers (they socialize with my child and other public school kids during church outings and such.)

Originally Posted by Capt James T:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

And? I never said it wasn't illegal.

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From your link above:

 

Home Schooling

Home schooling is illegal in Germany. The law requiring students to attend public schools or approved private schools has been upheld despite challenges to it.

What was the point of the link posted?

 

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To give an idea of how the schools are run.

 

I saw what they taught, and then found this interesting. 

 

The School Year

The school year consists of two semesters and normally starts around the middle to end of August. There are longer breaks at Christmas and in the summer. Shorter breaks are around Easter and in autumn. There is no school on public holidays. The Christmas break is usually 2 weeks and the summer break is about 6 weeks. The exact dates of the various vacations and breaks are set by the individual Länder.

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