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I just tried to post this on the opinion column of the Times Daily.It was concerning the Houston Texas mayor wanting copies of some church sermons.

A preacher should be able to preach against the gay lifestyle, he  should be able to preach about anything in the bible. He should not be able to tell church members who or what party to vote for.

 

I couldn't post it. The message was, this contains profanity and cannot be posted as is. Please remove the objectionable words.

I don't know what part of that is profanity

 

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Originally Posted by jtdavis:

I just tried to post this on the opinion column of the Times Daily.It was concerning the Houston Texas mayor wanting copies of some church sermons.

A preacher should be able to preach against the gay lifestyle, he  should be able to preach about anything in the bible. He should not be able to tell church members who or what party to vote for.

 

I couldn't post it. The message was, this contains profanity and cannot be posted as is. Please remove the objectionable words.

I don't know what part of that is profanity

 


http://www.foxbusiness.com/gov...-junkets-1969452526/

 

"Labor unions are nonprofits, and they rake in millions of dollars a year tax-free in member dues. Unions don’t have to pay federal or state income taxes on member dues or donations, nor property taxes on much of their real estate. Those items are exempt from the very same taxes unions lobby to raise on everyone else."

 

How do you feel about unions telling you how to vote Jim?  And don't tell me they don't, I used to be in one and know better.

Last edited by Mr. Hooberbloob
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Dire, I don't understand your answer

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JT, You posted, "A preacher should be able to preach against the gay lifestyle, he  should be able to preach about anything in the bible. He should not be able to tell church members who or what party to vote for."

 

How do you think a preacher would be stopped from telling church members how to vote?  Unless, you believe an adjudicating angel will descend from the heaven, then, the state is the other instrumentality that could stop the preacher.  The power of the state is force. -- usually thru the police.

 

Chuck, I'll try to  be more careful

 

Hoob, they do normally encourage voting for the democrat, not always. As far as comparing them to churches, I don't know if that is apples to apples or apples to oranges. Keep in mind there is a difference between a union and a good union.

 

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Dire, I don't understand your answer

 

Chuck, I'll try to  be more careful

 

Hoob, they do normally encourage voting for the democrat, not always. As far as comparing them to churches, I don't know if that is apples to apples or apples to oranges. Keep in mind there is a difference between a union and a good union.


I'll give you the suger coating award for the year.  Heard a union rep once say that if you don't vote democrat you are a Son of a B*$%*&.

 

The reason churches can't politic is because they are tax exempt (tax code was amended in 1954).  Lose the exemption and they can do what they want.  There is no apples to oranges comparison, your union telling you how to vote is no different than a church doing the same thing.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

How do you think a preacher would be stopped from telling church members how to vote?  

 

Tell them to vote against homosexuals, but don't put a name on them while you're in the pulpit


Church folk are not going to attend a church where the sermons don't jive with their own beliefs.  They are aligned in their thinking, otherwise they would find someplace else to go.  This being the case, why would 95% of them not vote the same way, regardless of what the preacher says?

 

As far as your example goes, the union tells it's members they are going to lose their jobs if they don't vote against successful people.

 

Last edited by Mr. Hooberbloob
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

I just tried to post this on the opinion column of the Times Daily.It was concerning the Houston Texas mayor wanting copies of some church sermons.

A preacher should be able to preach against the gay lifestyle, he  should be able to preach about anything in the bible. He should not be able to tell church members who or what party to vote for.

 

I couldn't post it. The message was, this contains profanity and cannot be posted as is. Please remove the objectionable words.

I don't know what part of that is profanity

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jjdavis,

 

There is nothing in what the Mayor of Houston is doing that would prevent the preachers of Houston from preaching against homosexuality or penalize them for doing so.. The issue she and her lawyers are raising is the question of how those preachers might have instructed their congregations concerning a petition circulated in opposition to the Houston Equal Rights Amendment.

How that petition was handled--or mishandled--by the city is the subject of litigation against the city and since the preachers were much involved in its promotion, the Mayor seems to think she can fain some kind of fault with them by showing what they said and did to promote the petition. 

Her subpoena (which I have read)  is overly broad, which she now has grudgingly admitted, and it has been amended.  I have not seen the revised subpoena, so I can not comment on that.

 

The First Amendment is not in any jeopardy in this case.  The five preachers to whom the subpoenas were served and any other preachers in Houston who wish to do so can preach against homosexuality, abortion, gambling, adultery,  drunkenness, ****ography, immodest dress, or a plenitude of other societal evils without having their freedom of speech restrained by any action the lesbian Mayor of Houston has taken.

Last edited by Contendah
Originally Posted by direstraits:

As to the tax exemption for churches that might be removed, none have ever lost their exemption.  The IRS has sent warning letters causing some churches to temper their message.  Others didn't and the IRS never took them to court.

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The IRS probably does not want to put the Johnson Amendment to the test for fear it would not withstand Constitutional scrutiny.

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