Oregon House Passes CCW Reciprocity Bill

The second amendment and the right to carry have prevented many innocent people from being harmed by thugs and goons. Having the guns in houses has also caused the death and injury to innocent people. I wonder what the actual numbers are? How many bad guys are stopped, how many good guys are hurt.

By the way, I have shotguns, rifles and pistols and I don't intend to give them up.

True.

With the decision to have/carry a firearm comes the responsibility.

Too many times people buy/carry a gun and know little or nothing about  them.

It should be mandatory to pass a gun safety test before carrying.

Set it up either for those who have experience to take and those who do not go through a training course.

Studies show that the presence (not necessarily use) of a firearm prevents between 1 and 1.5 million crimes, annually.

To put it in perspective, in 2011 there were 591 accidental gun deaths.  In 2012 there were 726 bicycle deaths as well as 49,000 injured by bikes.

If I have a gun my whole life and only use it once to protect my family, then it was worth the effort to own a gun.

Imagine what a utopia this planet must have been before gunpowder was invented.  Nobody killed anyone and everyone lived their lives with zero chance of being accidentally killed.

Before that, the weapon that killed the most people was the gladiolus -- the short sword of the Roman legions.

Just as I thought, no answer. Is because you don't want to face reality or honestly don't know?

Both Dire and I gave you answers.  I told you how many people died by accident and Dire stated stats on gun use in crime prevention.  Sorry, but we can't google "how many times has a gun saved a life" and get an exact number.  You need to have realistic expectations when you ask a question.

Hoob,

Remember, JT has little to no idea of how to make an internet search, or the limitations involved. 

Remember, JT has little to no idea of how to make an internet search, or the limitations involved. 

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Expected answer Mr. Best

You were given the best answer available.  And, have provided no information to the contrary, 

jt, I understand what you are saying.

But, you have been given 3 credible posts related to your question. Stanky, with a link, and Mr.Hoob and dire with stats that they found on the net. I don't think they pulled those numbers out of thin air.

Yes, accidents do happen with guns. In the home. in public. In hunting.

NEVER happened in my 52 years of owning guns (got my first a 6 ) Revealed my age,  didn't I? 

I had Grandfathers who had guns. They used them with no more fanfare than they used a hoe, or a plow.

They hunted. As they had been taught by their Dads and Grandfathers, passed down by their ancestors.

They were not wealthy, they farmed hard, had many children to feed ( I've been told that was for "hands to work the farm", but I think it was because of no pharmaceutical means of birth control)

but their guns, and their knowledge of them, put many a rabbit, squirrel, and quail on the table.

They knew a gun WOULD kill. And they respected that. That was hammered into my head, over and over. Safety, safety, safety.

I practiced that, and ingrained it into my children. I "plinked cans" with all of them. Over and over to the point that the "gun" was no longer  "something new".  XBox   was...

They became excellent shooters.

When they were Tot's, I could lay a pistol, on the kitchen table, for weeks, and they would pay no more attention to it than , a bunch of bananas...

They KNEW what it was, what it was for,and what it could do.

That's why   "I yam what  I yam"!

Remember, JT has little to no idea of how to make an internet search, or the limitations involved. 

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Looking at several web sites, in 2010, there was 11,078 gun homocides and 606 unintentional gun deaths. Another site gives 2,500,000 times a gun deterred a crime in one year (that sure is a high number).  Another site gives 43 to 1 number, that is, inside the home, 43 non criminal deaths for each criminal killed in the home.(86% of the 43 were suicides)

The question is, how do you know which is honest?

Then we agree on something...  

The people I've seen doing "open carry" scare me.

I DO NOT want anyone to see I am carrying.

I do NOT want to provoke a incident.

I am not a Cowboy.

I carry.Daily.  I also observe.

Should I feel you are a threat, you will know.Not through any physical action, but the look I will give you.

Not threatening, just confidence. That I have a weapon, know how to use it, and will.

I am not sheep.

It's worked for a long time, in a few "situations", where I was glad I was "packing".

Hope I never have to use one...

AS, I've posted before, I support the right to open carry. However, I believe that anyone who does so is a jackass, which is also a right -- to be stupid.  If I'm carrying, I don't want anyone else to know,  In the army, they taught, always shoot the most dangerously armed man first.

I agree on both open carry and concealed as well. Open carry is fine for sporting or farm use of a sidearm while concealed carry is best for urban useage. I don't like scaring or intimidating people with hoplophobia; it's just a matter of being polite.

One should not scare children and the child like liberals, its just not polite.

But, you have been given 3 credible posts related to your question. Stanky, with a link, and Mr.Hoob and dire with stats that they found on the net. I don't think they pulled those numbers out of thin air.

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My question, what is a credible post using stats found on the internet? When I was looking for gun stats, different sites had different numbers. Do you look for one that supports your opinion and discount the rest?

CDC, FBI, credible newspaper type websites.  I don't go to other forums or blogs for my references.

Generally, one must research the statistical sample method,  I did so on the two I quoted years ago.  Good methodology, plus the researchers were mildly liberal academics, who were shocked at the results, but honest enough to accept it and publish. 

Media and gun control activists have been parroting this for years and it has been stastically proven to be false.   The reality is stastically CCW holders are far more law abiding than the general public.  I do not carry all the time but often do and if you need a gun it better be on your hip not in the car.   BTW that was a different time when you could leave a gun in the gun rack on display and not worry about someone breaking into the car.   Interesting note while I was touring Alcatraz island last month I noticed the special wing that housed the worst in the rock had what they were in for listed.  It was populated by mostly crimes you get little or no hard time or probation now for and that is one of the big problems now.  The police catch them and the courts let them off!

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Who said anything about CCW people being more prone to violence? 

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Has nothing to do with being scared of guns. I OWN guns myself. I have a lifetime of experience with them. Open carrying into businesses and the public is just plain stupid. On a number of levels. I listed a few in my post. 

Piece of advice.

Whether you carry open or concealed, if you are ever are involved in a critical incident, when LE arrives, be prepared to put your weapon on the ground and your hands in the air.

This ain't the time to argue 2nd Amendment rights.

We'll sort the details out later.

BTW, off-duty and plain clothes LEOs when out of their jurisdictions, would do well to remember this.

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Hiflyer. He left out one of these ^^^. I added it to this response that you can see who said what.

No problem. I know the drill.

After I make sure the "perp" is harmless.

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Yesterday at a Walmart, I happened to see a man wearing a sidearm on his hip with a young child . There were no screaming crowds and the earth didn't split open to disgorge the devil and his minions. In fact it seems like no one cared. Since it was wallyworld, I'm surprised a granny didn't look at the mans plastic wonder and say to him: " A  9 millimeter? Boy, git yerself a real gun!" and then pull a S&W M-29 out of her bag.

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Childlike liberals? Like these children maybe.

Racists! Racists! Racists everywhere! Even behind me!!

Jank,

Sorry I missed the one time you stated "open carry" in you diatribe about the evils of gun carry.  I am reading and typing on my iphone at the lake so I missed it.  So meant all that stuff bad about people being armed to apply only to open carry?

Hiflyer,

I didn't call them bad, I called them stupid. How come others in this thread who said they disagree with open carry didn't deserve your critique? Only me.... wonder why that is. I said nothing that law enforcement members that I have discussed this issue with have said themselves. If you can't understand why open carry can cause potentially dangerous situations then you haven't really given it much thought. Imagine you are in a situation where shots are being fired and you don't see where they are coming from, you turn a corner and there is a guy with a gun in his hand. Is he the good guy, or the bad guy? If you are a policeman, how long do you wait to find out? Of course this could apply to CCW too, but those people seem to be a little more cautious and responsible with their guns than the cowboys with their six shooter on their hips. No one wants to see your gun in polite society. We teach our children to get away from strangers with guns, then when we are out in Wal-Mart and there is some dimwit with their gun out for all to see, we have to try and explain that to a child. Confusing them on how to safely react to a gunman. Get a license and conceal it if you feel you have to carry it with you everywhere you go. At least that way you are not the first one a active shooter takes out and it may save the police the critical seconds that they need to figure out who the real bad guy is. A common sense of decency and responsibility is all I ask for.