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Are you talking about pit bull owners.  Sure, they should be banned.

 

Just kidding.  I lost my pit bull to cancer last Summer, and he was the nicest dog I ever saw--to people.  He just didn't like my cat--or other dogs.

 

The problem is with low quality people raising low quality pit bulls to behave poorly.  It's not cool to have a really aggressive dog.

 

Now, I've switched to a Rottweiler, and he's the sweetest house dog I've ever seen.  He just doesn't like deliverymen.  But he loves people and other dogs.

Sadly the bad temperament has been BREAD INTO THEM much like a lab or golden instinctively knows how to retrieve.   They are much worst than a gun they kill without notice something just snaps on some.  My neighbors brother was almost killed last July when his neighbors pet Pit got off the leash and started to attach his child.  They were simply playing  catch in the yard when the dog got off the leash he jumped between the dog and the child.  The dog took him a 6'4" 40 ish man to the ground and went for his throat and nicked his artery.  He almost bled out and had to be flown to the MED.  

 

The dog was a family pet and this happened in a good neighborhood just outside of Memphis.  The pit sadly like most apparently never displayed hostile traits until that day.  Luckly no one was killed but would have been much worse if he had gotten to the child.   Like I said Pits are much worst than leaving a loaded gun lying around because someone has to pick up the gun to do harm.

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

let me get this straight.. the 'anti-gun ban' OP.. wishes to ban a breed of dog, because a few attacked people? am i the only one seeing the irony in this?

No where did I say ban them I simply stated why even pits raised in a good home can snap.  I then made the comparison that for that reason they were worse that a gun to have around in my opinion. That is because you have to pick up a gun for it to hurt someone and it also does not have a mind of its own like a pit.  Like you say, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Hiflyer, that could be said about any dog. I had a chow that was extremely protective of our family. I had to watch her like a hawk. If someone reached out to touch me or one of my children she was ready to attack them. I finally admitted that I was not the best owner for her because she would obey me, but did not feel that I was in charge. She lived out her life with a friend that had lots of experience with aggressive dogs. 

 

I had a chihuahua for 14 years that would take your foot off if you gave her a chance (and a few hours)  

 

I've had 2 pits in my lifetime and both were sweet, lap dogs. They loved everyone. One of them adopted a baby kitten and cared for it as her own. That same dog would cry whenever my son cried. Both of them died of old age and never offered one time to hurt a human or another animal. 

 

Dogs are like people. Some have short tempers, some are laid back. Breed has little to do with it.  

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

let me get this straight.. the 'anti-gun ban' OP.. wishes to ban a breed of dog, because a few attacked people? am i the only one seeing the irony in this?

No where did I say ban them I simply stated why even pits raised in a good home can snap.  I then made the comparison that for that reason they were worse that a gun to have around in my opinion. That is because you have to pick up a gun for it to hurt someone and it also does not have a mind of its own like a pit.  Like you say, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

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just so you know.. OP means 'original poster'. perhaps it's not MY 'reading comprehension' that's in question?

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Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:

Sadly the bad temperament has been BREAD INTO THEM much like a lab or golden instinctively knows how to retrieve.   They are much worst than a gun they kill without notice something just snaps on some.  My neighbors brother was almost killed last July when his neighbors pet Pit got off the leash and started to attach his child.  They were simply playing  catch in the yard when the dog got off the leash he jumped between the dog and the child.  The dog took him a 6'4" 40 ish man to the ground and went for his throat and nicked his artery.  He almost bled out and had to be flown to the MED.  

 

The dog was a family pet and this happened in a good neighborhood just outside of Memphis.  The pit sadly like most apparently never displayed hostile traits until that day.  Luckly no one was killed but would have been much worse if he had gotten to the child.   Like I said Pits are much worst than leaving a loaded gun lying around because someone has to pick up the gun to do harm.

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Dude, this has absolutely nothing to do with guns...get over it.

Like Jank said-dogs are like people. They learn what they live.

A pit bull is no more a weapon than a kid who has been taught that the way to fix problems is by hitting them.  Just like the kid grows up to be a wife-beater, so the dog also learns to attack.

  Change the mentality-change the behavior.

Yes, ban them. When it's declared that they're banned, all the drug dealers, because at heart they're law abiding citizens, will stop using them as guard dogs, and turn them in along with their guns and drugs, and all the people that fight them, another crop of law abiding citizens, will stop breeding, selling, and fighting them. There won't be another one anywhere after they're banned. Maybe we can get a twofer or even a threefer on this one. Turn in your pits, guns, and drugs. I wonder why no one thought of this before. Be sure to make heroes out of the ones that turn them in or kill, torture them, you know, like they did with vick.

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There are clearly numerous examples of responsible dog owners whose pits have snapped killing family members.  In every case I'm confident the owners thought their pets were sweet and could never hurt someone.  In this case the owner had brought the young lady over to introduce her to the dogs so she could dog sit.  They were pets not fighting dogs or rescues.  She was there several hours playing with the dogs with the owner. She she bent down to pickup a tennis ball she was attacked.  Two other pits joined in and the owner couldn't pull them off.  She was scalped.

 

I'll buy that a lot of owners are in over their heads with this breed but I won't buy that it's the owners that make this breed aggressive because most of the time when you read these stories it's a family pet.

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...in_the_United_States

 

Interesting, many different breeds and so many attacks on unattended small children. 

Stephen Fiengo6 years

While playing alone in a field near his home, he was attacked by 7 pit bulls.[57] The pits bit him over 100 times, mauling his legs and right arm so badly surgeon Michael Foreman said they hadn't seen wounds like that since the war. The little boy shocked doctors by surviving the first night, endured 7 sugeries in 11 days, and died after an infection took hold. As he fought for his life, a pit bull owner's organization called the Southwest Pit Bull Association defended the breed, saying the attack was unusual and that it's virtually unheard of for a pit bull to attack a person.[58]

 

When someone has a lot of pits they are most likely fighting dogs.

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April 1, 2014 at 10:55 AM

 

April 1 (UPI) -- Two pit bulls were on the loose and six more were on the property in a Texas home where an 85-year-old woman was found dead, police said.

Dorothy Hamilton of Kaufman, a small city about 20 miles east of Dallas, is believed to have been killed by the dogs. Her son found her body Monday afternoon.

All eight dogs have been removed, police said.

Kaufman police spokesman Capt. Ed Black said the son told investigators his dogs were staying at his mother's home temporarily but were being kept in a locked area. Police said the loose dogs apparently got through the door.

Police Chief Dana Whitaker said the department had received complaints from neighbors about the dogs being loose in recent weeks. But he said no one complained that the dogs were dangerous.



Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US...61866/#ixzz30y93LKj6

Capt. Ed Black, a spokesman with the Kaufman Police Department, said Hamilton's son told police his dogs were staying with his mother in a locked room for several months. However, an initial probe of the scene revealed the dogs were able to break through the door.

"A total of eight pit bulls were seized from the property, including the two animals from inside the residence," Black said.  

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Absolutely sounds like he had them for fighting.

 

http://www.wfaa.com/news/enter...-dead-253370601.html

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

let me get this straight.. the 'anti-gun ban' OP.. wishes to ban a breed of dog, because a few attacked people? am i the only one seeing the irony in this?


Apples to oranges comparison.  I just checked the constitution.  No where does it say my right to own any animial I wish shall not be infringed.

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

let me get this straight.. the 'anti-gun ban' OP.. wishes to ban a breed of dog, because a few attacked people? am i the only one seeing the irony in this?


Apples to oranges comparison.  I just checked the constitution.  No where does it say my right to own any animial I wish shall not be infringed.

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funny , i just check the constitution and it doesn't say 'you can own any gun you wish', either.. funny how that works.

I have had dealings with one pit bull.  He has never shown any sign of aggression.  I have had experience with raising cattle and dogs getting in the pasture.  If I see one dog in a pasture, I'm not too worried, if I see three dogs in a pasture, it's just a matter of time until they cross a line and do bad things.  This holds true for any breeds of dogs

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

I have had dealings with one pit bull.  He has never shown any sign of aggression.  I have had experience with raising cattle and dogs getting in the pasture.  If I see one dog in a pasture, I'm not too worried, if I see three dogs in a pasture, it's just a matter of time until they cross a line and do bad things.  This holds true for any breeds of dogs

...And certain breeds of people as well!

 

*Pack mentality*

 

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

let me get this straight.. the 'anti-gun ban' OP.. wishes to ban a breed of dog, because a few attacked people? am i the only one seeing the irony in this?


Apples to oranges comparison.  I just checked the constitution.  No where does it say my right to own any animial I wish shall not be infringed.

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funny , i just check the constitution and it doesn't say 'you can own any gun you wish', either.. funny how that works.


Your RIGHT to bears arms shall not be infringed.  Your right to own a dog is not listed in the Bill of Rights.  Consider yourself coached.

 I wouldn't want to live in a neighborhood with a pit bull, a chow, or a few other breeds of dogs, but it's impossible to ban a breed of dog, and any dog can be dangerous. Read the list of dog attacks. In most of them it's man that's the problem. Little kids left alone or allowed to wander off and get to dogs that are chained, or as one did, climb over a fence where a dog was kept, and babies left unattended. Kids allowed to pull and tug and hurt animals. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say their dog was so good with their kids that, "he can pull the dog's ears and tail, pinch him, and the dog doesn't do a thing". But when the dog does do something, it's punished or beaten, taken out to the woods and dumped or put down. When people don't take care of their dogs, and they're hungry or they just smell food, they go after the garbage. A perfectly normal action and it gets them poisoned or killed some other way. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 I wouldn't want to live in a neighborhood with a pit bull, a chow, or a few other breeds of dogs, but it's impossible to ban a breed of dog, and any dog can be dangerous. Read the list of dog attacks. In most of them it's man that's the problem. Little kids left alone or allowed to wander off and get to dogs that are chained, or as one did, climb over a fence where a dog was kept, and babies left unattended. Kids allowed to pull and tug and hurt animals. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say their dog was so good with their kids that, "he can pull the dog's ears and tail, pinch him, and the dog doesn't do a thing". But when the dog does do something, it's punished or beaten, taken out to the woods and dumped or put down. When people don't take care of their dogs, and they're hungry or they just smell food, they go after the garbage. A perfectly normal action and it gets them poisoned or killed some other way. 

Pit bulls are already being banned in communities and neighborhoods and even countries.  Still sound impossible?  .  As far as reading the list of dog attacks you can't ascertain whose fault the attach was based on that.  I've read enough stories about family pits killing children to know that it might be the humans fault - for being naive enough to have this type of dog around a child.  I won't for a second believe that in these cases the dogs are being pinched or starved into killing.  They were bred to rip throats out. That snap and kill. 

Pit bulls are already being banned in communities and neighborhoods and even countries.  Still sound impossible?  .  As far as reading the list of dog attacks you can't ascertain whose fault the attach was based on that.  I've read enough stories about family pits killing children to know that it might be the humans fault - for being naive enough to have this type of dog around a child.  I won't for a second believe that in these cases the dogs are being pinched or starved into killing.  They were bred to rip throats out. That snap and kill. 

 

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You can call it banning, but it's not possible. There will still be people that own and breed them. Not only are there millions of pit bulls, but millions of pit bull mixes too. In 2007 they were the most popular dog in the country. I never said that in that case the dogs were pinched or starved, but you can't state for a fact that some of the dogs that attacked weren't mistreated. Try to follow along. I was talking about the mentality of people that mistreat an animal, then it's punished for reacting like a mistreated animal. Too, what will you do about all the other breeds of dogs that kill people? Pits are not the only ones.

Dawn Brown, 44, a volunteer firefighter in Illinois, was found dead in her Big Rock home. She had suffered bites to her neck, according to the Chicago Tribune.

Her husband Bob, also a firefighter, discovered her at 4:15 p.m., hours after the family's 140-pound mastiff attacked her. He called 911, and fellow firefighters responded.

"We had some really emotional firemen that were there on the scene first," Bristol Fire Department Lt. Pat Gengler told FOX 32. "To get to the process of talking to people and interviewing everybody including the husband took some time."

Police are still trying to determine why the dog mauled her, but police say that the family's pit bull mix and boxer were not involved.

 

 

 

A 63-year-old woman was found dead in her Liberty County home with dog bite wounds covering nearly every inch of her body - and a hunt mounted for the large black-and-white stray whom she'd adopted and is believed responsible for the attack.

The aggressive dog, described as a "Labrador retriever" mix, twice charged at investigators who were trying to rescue the woman, Linda Oliver, officials said. A deputy was only able to stop the animal by repeatedly firing his weapon and eventually wounding it before it escaped under a fence into the surrounding Woodland Hills subdivision near Dayton.

The stray had appeared hungry when it wandered onto their property about two weeks ago, Oliver's husband, Leland Oliver, told police. The couple started feeding it.

 

 

Another case of a dog on a chain and unsupervised little kids able to approach it.

 

A one-year-old boy has died in North Carolina after being viciously mauled by the family rottweiler in front of his five-year-old brother.

Little Nyhiem Wilfong was attacked in his grandfather's yard on Monday in Caldwell County by the 100 pound dog named Kobe.

Family members and animal control officers said that the dog was found still tied up when they arrived and they suspect that the two brothers had set the tragic chain of events off by trying to play with the dog.

 


Diane Alexis Whipple (January 21, 1968 – January 26, 2001) was a lacrosse player and coach, who is best known as the victim of a fatal dog attack in San Francisco in January 2001. The dogs involved were two Presa Canario dogs named Bane (male) and Hera (female), owned by neighbors living in the same apartment building.
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This could go on and on and on.  Rottweilers, bull mastiffs, wolf hybrids, huskys, akitas (I always wanted an akita, not anymore), boxers, chows, then you have all the mixes of all these dogs. How will they all be banned?

 

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Well lets look and see how Miami Dade County does it

 

Pit Bull Law

It is illegal in Miami-Dade County to own or keep American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, or any other dog that substantially conforms to any of these breeds' characteristics. For more information, view the Miami-Dade County ordinance, Chapter 5, Sec. 5-17.

There is a $500 fine for acquiring or keeping a pit bull dog and court action to force the removal of the animal from Miami-Dade County.

See a description adobe reader of each of these closely-related breeds.

To have a dog's breed evaluated, you must bring the dog to Animal Services. Evaluations are conducted in the shelter annex by examination. Appointments are necessary for this service.

Owners of dogs brought in for evaluation and identified as pit bulls will not receive a citation. However, they will be required to remove the dog from Miami-Dade County.

 

 

 I'm sure meth and other drugs are illegal to own, manufacture, or use in the county too, along with many other things. This does NOTHING to remove all dogs from the county, (a total ban), nothing. You should watch a few hours of 'Animal Cops'. It is funny how people pick on this one breed when it's been shown over and over there are many breeds capable of, and are, killing people.  But, if it makes you feel better, have at it. Just like people yell "ban guns", this isn't going after the root of the problem.

 

 

 

Pit Bull Investigations

Pit bull investigations are only conducted on dogs whose owner's address is known. Investigations take approximately 15 business days.

  • If the address of the owner is not known, the complaint will be classified as a stray dog complaint.
  • If a pit bull is observed running at large, it will be considered a stray dog, not a pit bull investigation. If a pit bull is observed tied on private property without shelter, it is considered a pit bull investigation, not an animal cruelty investigation.

Pit bulls that are picked up as strays and are not registered/licensed will be held for 5 days and then put down. Pit bulls that are picked up with identification or lost pets that are registered will be held for 5 days. The owner will receive a citation and be given the opportunity to remove the dog from Miami-Dade County.

 

 

. Read this I found while looking at articles. What if the little dog had gone for the face or throat instead of the arm?
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" I've been play nipped by dogs and even cats in my lifetime, but the worse bites I ever got was from three little dogs, about 10-12 pounds each. I had been around them for about five years, since they were 6 week old pups, and took care of them when the owners went out of town. They were playing, and for some reason we never figured out a bad fight broke out among them and two jumped one. Here I am thinking a grown up human could put a stop to it so I grabbed up the one being attacked by the other two. It bit me to the bone and ripped the flesh on my arm while the two on the ground worked over my foot slashing it open. It was over in a few seconds, like they came to their senses. These were the sweetest dogs you would have ever want to see before and then after this happened. The owner was in shock and didn't know what to do. It was all so fast just like lightening striking. They paid my medical bills, even though it was me that got in the middle of the fight. I was firm that I didn't want anything to happen to the dogs. That was a couple of years ago and they haven't shown one tiny bit of aggression since then to each other or anyone. They're as friendly and loving as can be. Was one feeling sick? Did one accidentally snap one and hurt it and it fought back and the fight started? We don't know what happened to start the fight, but if it happens again I don't think anybody is going to try to break it up."

Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

While I feel for those who are attacked, the most vicious breed I know is the Chihuahua. Never wear sandals around them. I love Yorkies, but the last dog to bite me was one..and he loved me. He just was half asleep. My fault...read MY.

 

In all the attacks, how many were against unattended children?

Well in the attack that is the topic of this thread a 20 year old woman was scalped in front of the dogs owner.  All dog breeds bite but there is a big difference between a small puncture wound and being scalped. 

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