What about the police shootings in Baton Rouge and Minnesota? From what I saw on the news, both of them looked like murder. Any agreement, any disagreement.
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Just now on FOX news they had live coverage of a protest in Dallas, TX when during the broadcast a shooter, rumored to have a rifle, started shooting and at least two officers were lying on the ground motionless and possibly four policemen were lying on the ground, it was hard to tell. It's difficult for a lot of people but now it appears that some people have declared war on any police.
16 minutes ago, Fox was following and CNN had no clue. 16 minutes later, CNN still not on scene. Finally CNN reports at 2131, officers down.
Suggest everyone take a deep breath and wait until the evidence is in.
As Dire posted, we need to wait. It sounds odd that the ones gf would be recording, and her reaction was weird. If you want people to jump to conclusions like you did, I'd say BLM is the reason he's dead. They are telling blacks to resist the police, and to sue them for the tiniest thing they can consider a slight. BTW Jt, he a permit and had a gun. Will Obama address that fact? The other one, I haven't read much about, but I know he also had a gun.
Catch the snipers. Have a mass execution for them and the police that murdered the black guys in Minn and Baton Rouge.
News media, politicians and racists use these acts of violence to further their agendas and thus perpetrate more violence. Our legal system isn't perfect but, it's still better than speculation.
jtdavis posted:Catch the snipers. Have a mass execution for them and the police that murdered the black guys in Minn and Baton Rouge.
What black guys were murdered? So you have made that call?
Bestworking posted:jtdavis posted:Catch the snipers. Have a mass execution for them and the police that murdered the black guys in Minn and Baton Rouge.
What black guys were murdered? So you have made that call?
Left wing lynch mob mentality -- never let facts get in the way.
direstraits posted:Bestworking posted:jtdavis posted:Catch the snipers. Have a mass execution for them and the police that murdered the black guys in Minn and Baton Rouge.
What black guys were murdered? So you have made that call?
Left wing lynch mob mentality -- never let facts get in the way.
And if they don't know the facts, they make them up. Somewhere on here is a post I made about the martin case. In it I said that it sounded like zimmerman murdered the kid. What I didn't know at the time I made that post was, martin wasn't the little 12 year old they kept picturing in the news reports, msnbc had altered the 911 tapes, martin had made it home but at the urging of his pal that he was on the phone with, "miss piggy", he had gone back to confront that "cracker" zimmerman after zimmerman had stopped searching for him, and had zimmerman down waling on him. I still don't believe that in this day and age, that a cop is just going to flat out murder someone. I do think one problem is what Gifted alluded to, cops are super jumpy because blacks are looking for any excuse to kill them outright, or trying to get them into altercations with the end result being the officer killed and the black person claiming self-defense.
jtdavis posted:What about the police shootings in Baton Rouge and Minnesota? From what I saw on the news, both of them looked like murder. Any agreement, any disagreement.
As with all I will wait until all the evidence is in and then make my decision and I mean all. The good and the bad about both the officers and people shot. The problem now days is the media demands answers but does not allow the investigators to do their job. The media also misrepresents the facts like pictures of kids vrs a recent picture of the person after they embraced the gangster life or criminal history etc. This leads to people being convicted in the court of public opinion even if they are innocent, like officer Darren Wilson was. Guilty people should be convicted regardless if officer or criminal. One only has to look to the Baltimore shootings State Prosecutor's biased treatment of the officers involved for examples of rushing to judgement.
Simple truth is almost all of these shootings were people trying to fight or not complying with officers instructions. If the officer did shoot the latest guy after he informed him of his CCW permit and he was complying with the officers instruction then the officer needs to prosecuted.
jtdavis posted:Catch the snipers. Have a mass execution for them and the police that murdered the black guys in Minn and Baton Rouge.
You are despicable NO WAY YOU KNOW THAT THEY MURDERED THEM AS YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FACTS. You have a lynch mob mind and that is dangerous.
So far the only recent shooting that can be proven to be racist is the Dallas ambush:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US...icers/9141467948621/
For the others, lets all wait for the investigations to be completed.
Left wing lynch mob mentality -- never let facts get in the way.
How many looked at the videos? The Minnesota video shows after the shooting with eye witness statement. The Baton Rouge video shows before and after the shooting. There is some facts in them. If you choose to ignore them, that's your choice.
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The body cameras on both Baton Rouge cops just happened to fall off???? Imagine that.
jtdavis posted:The body cameras on both Baton Rouge cops just happened to fall off???? Imagine that.
Yes jt, they fell off and kept recording. They didn't disappear, they weren't yanked off and thrown away. Witnesses didn't report the cops tore them off. Jt, trying to stir the ****, imagine that.
jtdavis posted:The body cameras on both Baton Rouge cops just happened to fall off???? Imagine that.
The police had already reported problems with the make of camera they were using:
After wearing them for a few months as part of a pilot program, the Baton Rouge Police Department is scrapping its L-3 body cameras and replacing them with body cameras from TASER.
BRPD Chief Carl Dabadie told the Metro Council on Wednesday that officers were having trouble keeping the L-3 body cameras on their uniforms and that they had some technical glitches. The 100 officers participating in the body camera pilot program will be re-outfitted with the TASER variety come February 1.
I've seen the videos of the two black citizens who were shot by Police officers and it does appear that the officers were guilty of shooting too fast or unnecessarily shooting the suspects. That said no one knows what was going through their minds or why they shot except the officers. That said I can't imagine the one driver who announced to the officer about having a gun and concealed carry permit, having any intent on hurting the officers or being a threat to them or he would not have announced to them he had a gun. He did what he was supposed to do. In turn I don't think the officer had intent on killing him or knowing that he would bleed out from the shot to his arm.
While I can understand, also, people getting up in arms about the shootings but even if the cops could be proven as racist, which may not be the case, that would not justify the Racism of Black Lives Matter. BLM are just as racist and one form of racism does not justify the other. I'm not saying all BLM protesters are racist against whites but just listening to some of them and seeing the actions of some you know they are just as racist against whites as some white are racist in their attitudes.
You don't cure one form of racism with another and today it seems that racism is condoned and even celebrated if it is against whites. You have preferential treatment given to some while discrimination against some whites are condoned or worse celebrated which is what this administration seems to do. The way to combat racism is with education and through example. People should allow the justice system to work and not jump to conclusions that it will not but then the way it's treated Hillary gives reason to suspect that some are given preferential treatment and that the whole justice system can be corrupted.
Stanky posted:So far the only recent shooting that can be proven to be racist is the Dallas ambush:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US...icers/9141467948621/
For the others, lets all wait for the investigations to be completed.
Jt has no comment about that.
They had nothing to say about Dylan Noble. But then again, he was white.
BRPD Chief Carl Dabadie told the Metro Council on Wednesday that officers were having trouble keeping the L-3 body cameras on their uniforms and that they had some technical glitches. The 100 officers participating in the body camera pilot program will be re-outfitted with the TASER variety come February 1.
The posted article only said both cameras fell off. It didn't mention prior trouble.
jtdavis posted:BRPD Chief Carl Dabadie told the Metro Council on Wednesday that officers were having trouble keeping the L-3 body cameras on their uniforms and that they had some technical glitches. The 100 officers participating in the body camera pilot program will be re-outfitted with the TASER variety come February 1.
The posted article only said both cameras fell off. It didn't mention prior trouble.
Then "posted article" failed to cover the "5 W's and How" of basic reporting.
jtdavis posted:Left wing lynch mob mentality -- never let facts get in the way.
How many looked at the videos? The Minnesota video shows after the shooting with eye witness statement. The Baton Rouge video shows before and after the shooting. There is some facts in them. If you choose to ignore them, that's your choice.
Yea and most if not all of Mike Browns eye witness were shown to be wrong or lying. Some facts are not all of the facts, how about video of the actual whole before during and after the shootings? or just all the facts!!!!
Jack Flash posted:I remember jt followed his partner with the same distainfor LEO's (especially the awful white ones) from the pastadventures of liberal stupidity.....
Yeah, bet that one is celebrating five officers killed.
Yea and most if not all of Mike Browns eye witness were shown to be wrong or lying. Some facts are not all of the facts, how about video of the actual whole before during and after the shootings? or just all the facts!!!!
Brown had no video, this one has a partial.
jtdavis posted:BRPD Chief Carl Dabadie told the Metro Council on Wednesday that officers were having trouble keeping the L-3 body cameras on their uniforms and that they had some technical glitches. The 100 officers participating in the body camera pilot program will be re-outfitted with the TASER variety come February 1.
The posted article only said both cameras fell off. It didn't mention prior trouble.
Maybe you should have waited until you knew more about the cameras instead of casting aspersions on the officers. But you can't and won't hold off on your rush to judgement.
jtdavis posted:Yea and most if not all of Mike Browns eye witness were shown to be wrong or lying. Some facts are not all of the facts, how about video of the actual whole before during and after the shootings? or just all the facts!!!!
Brown had no video, this one has a partial.
I remember jt followed his partner with the same distainfor LEO's (especially the awful white ones) from the pastadventures of liberal stupidity.....Where did that come from and just what are you saying.
So you would be ok going to jail on a partial video showing only the aftermath of a shooting and that being the main evidence against you? I will repeat I am not saying the officer was right or wrong I am simply saying that we wait until all the evidence is in and "I mean all about both the officer and the guys actions"and presented before passing judgement. You on the other hand seem ready to judge him now and that is not reasonable. If the officer was wrong I expect him to be punished and if not I do not expect him to be punished seems simple to me!
I'll wait and not castigate the investigation about the results.
jtdavis posted:I'll wait and not castigate the investigation about the results.
LOL!
Just for fairness, here's a little article on the Minnesota LEO being investigated for Philando Castile's shooting:
Officer Jeronimo Yanez, an ‘all-around good guy,’ fired shots that killed Castile
Stanky posted:Just for fairness, here's a little article on the Minnesota LEO being investigated for Philando Castile's shooting:
Officer Jeronimo Yanez, an ‘all-around good guy,’ fired shots that killed Castile
Uh oh, a "white Hispanic"?
Had either of the cops ever had excessive force complaints filed on them?
jtdavis posted:Had either of the cops ever had excessive force complaints filed on them?
Have they?
jtdavis posted:Had either of the cops ever had excessive force complaints filed on them?
Do a search and find out.
giftedamateur posted:Stanky posted:Just for fairness, here's a little article on the Minnesota LEO being investigated for Philando Castile's shooting:
Officer Jeronimo Yanez, an ‘all-around good guy,’ fired shots that killed Castile
Uh oh, a "white Hispanic"?
Sorta makes you wonder why the media wants to divide us common folk, huh?
budsfarm posted:jtdavis posted:Had either of the cops ever had excessive force complaints filed on them?
Have they?
For the sake of discussion, lets say all LEOs involved had excessive force complaints filed on them.
JT, what would that mean to you?
jtdavis posted:Had either of the cops ever had excessive force complaints filed on them?
I don't know did any of the people shot have a criminal record??