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James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr. (born October 1, 1924) is an American politician who served as the 39th President of the United States (1977–1981) and was awarded the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize, the only U.S. President to have received the Prize after leaving office. Before he became President, Carter, a Democrat, served as a U.S. Naval officer, was a peanut farmer, served two terms as a Georgia State Senator and one as Governor of Georgia (1971–1975).[2]

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carter later left the 'southern baptist convention' citing " the group's doctrines did not align with his Christian beliefs." In April 2006, Carter, former-President Bill Clinton and Mercer University President Bill Underwood initiated the New Baptist Covenant. The broadly inclusive movement seeks to unite Baptists of all races, cultures and convention affiliations. 18 Baptist leaders representing more than 20 million Baptists across North America backed the group as an alternative to the Southern Baptist Convention. The group held its first meeting in Atlanta, January 30 through February 1, 2008.[166]

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the above is a 'copy/paste' and a little bit of 'paraphrasing' from Wikipedia.

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Presidents Carter and Clinton make strange bedfellows In any endeavor... With Underwood, it certainly begins with a massive brain trust... I would suspect that anything done to break the Southern Baptist ultra-conservative stranglehold over southern Christians would be a good thing... Expect a huge reaction from the right, ultra-conservative wing nuts...

 

If Mr. Carter actually made this statement all I can say is he is the typical religious person. They weed or make up, or make excuses for verses out of the bible that they don't want to see, hear, believe, or acknowledge. This is not exclusive to religious Democraps or Repubics.

 

Leviticus 20:13

13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

ummmmmm...  i have a few questions.

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Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:28

 

And Moses said unto Aaron, and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons, Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes; lest ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people: but let your brethren, the whole house of Israel, bewail the burning which the LORD hath kindled.

Leviticus 10:6

 

Leviticus Chapter 11
9These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

 

Leviticus Chapter 11

7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you.

8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean to you.

Hi all,

 

Besides being the worst American president since Grant -- Jimmy Carter is also the most LIBERAL Christian you will ever want to meet.   He left the Southern Baptist Convention and joined with the Cooperative Baptists.    And, the Conservative Baptist are so LIBERAL they make Obama and Hillary look Conservative.

 

If you are going to quote Carter on homosexuality, same-sex marriage, women pastors, etc. -- you will find yourself falling out of the Far Left Liberal windows.

 

He most certainly is not one to quote on being a good president -- or on interpreting the Bible.  If you must try, good luck!

 

Many years ago, when I heard that Carter had jumped ship from the Southern Baptist and was swimming in Liberal waters; I looked into the Cooperative Baptist group.   I wrote an e-mail to their president, leader, or whatever title he holds; asking him to define the Cooperative Baptist Statement of Beliefs.  

 

What I received back was a long, rambling response -- which would have made any politician proud.   He wrote a lot of words, but said nothing.   He did not answer one single question.

 

Crash, my Friend, if you are looking for a role model -- Jimmy Carter is not one to emulate.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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bill's response is priceless.  is it just me or does anyone else see the 'green eyed monster' crawling all over bill's back? 

Crash, my Friend,

 

Every thing I wrote is true.  So, when did truth become a "green eyed monster" to you -- when you tried to read and understand the Truth found in God's Written Word, the Bible?

 

Not a problem.  I understand.  Folks who are not believers will always have trouble understanding God's Word.  

 

Solution:  Become a believer -- and the Holy Spirit will give you insight you never thought possible, insight you never dreamed could be found in His Word.

 

Try it, you will like it!

 

John 8:32, "And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

John 8:45, “But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me."

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

John 16:13, But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."

John 17:17, “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth."

 

Bless your little old unbelieving heart!

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,


Many years ago, when I heard that Carter had jumped ship from the Southern Baptist and was swimming in Liberal waters; I looked into the Cooperative Baptist group.   I wrote an e-mail to their president, leader, or whatever title he holds; asking him to define the Cooperative Baptist Statement of Beliefs.  

 

What I received back was a long, rambling response -- which would have made any politician proud.   He wrote a lot of words, but said nothing.   He did not answer one single question.

 

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Crash if Carter was such the great job creator, then why didn't he win to serve a second term. I know! I know! Because he sucked! My father was a yellow dog democrat and refused to even vote that year because he knew that he was not the man for the job. Besides, ask any former local Ford plant employee how they felt about him? There are very few that voted for him for a second term.

Originally Posted by Practicalthinker:

Crash if Carter was such the great job creator, then why didn't he win to serve a second term. I know! I know! Because he sucked! My father was a yellow dog democrat and refused to even vote that year because he knew that he was not the man for the job. Besides, ask any former local Ford plant employee how they felt about him? There are very few that voted for him for a second term.

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it's hard to argue with facts.. perhaps you should change your name to 'impractical thinker'. like him or not, he did some great things.

Quail, my Friend,

 

If telling the truth is racist -- then, Jesus Christ, my role model, is the biggest racist of all.  When speaking to the legalistic Pharisees, He told it like it was, warts and all.  

 

Can you imagine a better example to follow than Him?

 

By the way, who are your role models?  Obama and Jimmy Hoffa?

 

Bless your confused little heart!

 

Bill

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Bill why do you charge Obama with sin when you admit to being twice the murderer of Jesus for a period of time exceeding the age of Obama? and don't give me that you have been forgiven crap because you hate another brown Christian. you are dead in the water on this issue. I'll take up for you when you are right but on the other hand I must point out what will eventually prove to be grave.

If I should be required to choose between you and Obama to speak up for mercy on my behalf judgment day I would choose Obama. Jimmiah Hoffa was a good dude.

bill I'm sure this burns your racist azz up: Carter was never a segregationist, and refused to join the White Citizens' Council. This caused a boycott of his peanut warehouse. His family was one of two among their congregation to vote to admit blacks to the Plains Baptist Church and you rue the day he said the following "I've traveled the state more than any other person in history and I say to you quite frankly that the time for racial discrimination is over. Never again should a black child be deprived of an equal right to health care, education, or the other privileges of society". dog too.

Quail, my Friend,

 

While I cannot say one way or the other about Obama, or anyone, being saved or not; we do get a good hint from their fruit.   For Obama to sit 20 years in a church pastored by a radical, racial bigot who stood in his pulpit and cursed the name of God -- is rather putrid fruit.

 

And, if you are interested, it will be very easy to Google Rev. Wright dam-ning the name of God, and casting aspersions upon "white folks."   Is that a church fellowship a "Christian" would share for 20 years?

 

And, as for Jimmy Hoffa -- his reputation preceded him to wherever he is now.   Although I did get to know his lawyer, Mr. Morris Shenker.   In the 1980s, Mr. Shenker owned the Dunes Hotel in Las Vegas.  Dory and I were in Vegas for me to participate in a small computer show.  While there, she introduced herself to Morris Shenker, owner and Chairman of the Board of the Dunes Hotel, to talk with him about a loan he was trying to obtain.  She met with him several times to discuss a loan.

 

While at that computer show, I got word that I would have to attend the Comdex Computer Show in Vegas the following month.  Anyone who knows anything about the Comdex Computer Shows knows that, if you want a decent room in a nice hotel, you make reservations at the previous Comdex, a year ahead.   And, I only had a one month notice.  I had friends under the same restraint -- who could only find small motel rooms shared with **** roaches.

 

Dory had a meeting the next morning with Mr. Shenker, so I suggested she ask if he could arrange a room for us for Comdex.    The next morning when they met in his office, she mentioned my predicament to him.  He turned to his secretary and told her, "Jo, make arrangements for Mr. Gray."  And, at the Comdex Show, Dory and I had a beautiful room on the 16th floor of the Dunes.

 

We stayed 8 days, charging food, etc. to our room tab -- not expecting it to be comped.  When I went to check out, I gave the clerk my credit card -- and she told me, "I don't need that.  Your room was comped by Mr. Shenker."

 

Normally, when Dory traveled with me on business, on my expense reports I would divide the price of each meal by two, charge my half to my company, and pay Dory's half myself.

But, since it was through her connection with Mr. Shenker that we had free room and many meals on the house, in the expense report column for Hotel charges, I wrote in "Provided By Dory Gray's Company" -- and then charged all of the remaining meals to my company.  Actually, this saved my company a lot of money, and saved me from digging into my own pocket.

 

So, you might say that old Jimmy Hoffa, even though he was long gone by then -- did benefit me.  But, he still was a known criminal and gangster -- as head of the union.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Quail, my Friend,

 

While I cannot say one way or the other about Obama, or anyone, being saved or not; we do get a good hint from their fruit.   For Obama to sit 20 years in a church pastored by a radical, racial bigot who stood in his pulpit and cursed the name of God -- is rather putrid fruit.

 

And, if you are interested, it will be very easy to Google Rev. Wright dam-ning the name of God, and casting aspersions upon "white folks."   Is that a church fellowship a "Christian" would share for 20 years?

 

And, as for Jimmy Hoffa -- his reputation preceded him to wherever he is now.   Although I did get to know his lawyer, Mr. Morris Shenker.   In the 1980s, Mr. Shenker owned the Dunes Hotel in Las Vegas.  Dory and I were in Vegas for me to participate in a small computer show.  While there, she introduced herself to Morris Shenker, owner and Chairman of the Board of the Dunes Hotel, to talk with him about a loan he was trying to obtain.  She met with him several times to discuss a loan.

 

While at that computer show, I got word that I would have to attend the Comdex Computer Show in Vegas the following month.  Anyone who knows anything about the Comdex Computer Shows knows that, if you want a decent room in a nice hotel, you make reservations at the previous Comdex, a year ahead.   And, I only had a one month notice.  I had friends under the same restraint -- who could only find small motel rooms shared with **** roaches.

 

Dory had a meeting the next morning with Mr. Shenker, so I suggested she ask if he could arrange a room for us for Comdex.    The next morning when they met in his office, she mentioned my predicament to him.  He turned to his secretary and told her, "Jo, make arrangements for Mr. Gray."  And, at the Comdex Show, Dory and I had a beautiful room on the 16th floor of the Dunes.

 

We stayed 8 days, charging food, etc. to our room tab -- not expecting it to be comped.  When I went to check out, I gave the clerk my credit card -- and she told me, "I don't need that.  Your room was comped by Mr. Shenker."

 

Normally, when Dory traveled with me on business, on my expense reports I would divide the price of each meal by two, charge my half to my company, and pay Dory's half myself.

But, since it was through her connection with Mr. Shenker that we had free room and many meals on the house, in the expense report column for Hotel charges, I wrote in "Provided By Dory Gray's Company" -- and then charged all of the remaining meals to my company.  Actually, this saved my company a lot of money, and saved me from digging into my own pocket.

 

So, you might say that old Jimmy Hoffa, even though he was long gone by then -- did benefit me.  But, he still was a known criminal and gangster -- as head of the union.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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“. Wright dam-ning the name of God,”

Where did he do that Bill?

As I remember he was calling on God to dam America which he is likely to do.

I see nothing about Rev Wright that is not the truth.

Hoffa, well you had a different set of rules regarding associating with his “Rev Wright” [Shenker].

I assume Dory gave him the loan. Receiving kickback for loaning this mogul money was unlawful then and is now. I suggest you turn yourselves into the Feds.

semi.. it's not a matter of 'enjoy'.. it's trying to carry on a decent discussion between his bible worship induced rants of bigotry. or trying to ignore his hypocrisy while having a discussion between intelligent posters.

 

(i must admit.. i do chortle him telling those of differing opinions they were 'never saved' or 'don't love jesus' or 'are lesser christians' because they don't meet godbill's standards. )

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Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

semi.. it's not a matter of 'enjoy'.. it's trying to carry on a decent discussion between his bible worship induced rants of bigotry. or trying to ignore his hypocrisy while having a discussion between intelligent posters.

 

(i must admit.. i do chortle him telling those of differing opinions they were 'never saved' or 'don't love jesus' or 'are lesser christians' because they don't meet godbill's standards. )

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You just nailed it right there Crash.

 

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

semi.. it's not a matter of 'enjoy'.. it's trying to carry on a decent discussion between his bible worship induced rants of bigotry. or trying to ignore his hypocrisy while having a discussion between intelligent posters.

(i must admit.. i do chortle him telling those of differing opinions they were 'never saved' or 'don't love jesus' or 'are lesser christians' because they don't meet godbill's standards. )

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You just nailed it right there Crash.

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The majority of us on this forum can talk/discuss w/o name calling or putting each other down. We are open to considering other possibility's/opinions. Bill can't do that. He's one of those people that all the talking in the world isn't going to make a difference. There is no having a decent discussion with Bill, so why even try? His mind is closed to considering and/or respecting another opinion, or just having a decent discussion w/o a bunch of name calling or stupid cartoons. Those of us that can enjoy a decent discussion would be better off to just ignore him when he comes in to start his spitting contest.

 

Bill is a bully, always has been, & talking to him accomplishes nothing. This forum is his playground, he owns it, & anyone that discusses anything with him is giving him the run of that playground.

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quote:  Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Quail, my Friend,   While I cannot say one way or the other about Obama, or anyone, being saved or not; we do get a good hint from their fruit.   For Obama to sit 20 years in a church pastored by a radical, racial bigot who stood in his pulpit and cursed the name of God -- is rather putrid fruit.

 

And, if you are interested, it will be very easy to Google Rev. Wright dam-ning the name of God, and casting aspersions upon "white folks."   Is that a church fellowship a "Christian" would share for 20 years?

 
“Wright dam-ning the name of God,”  Where did he do that Bill?
 

As I remember he was calling on God to dam America which he is likely to do.  Diversionary?  I see nothing about Rev Wright that is not the truth.

 

Hoffa, well you had a different set of rules regarding associating with his “Rev Wright” [Shenker].   I assume Dory gave him the loan.  Receiving kickback for loaning this mogul money was unlawful then and is now.  I suggest you turn yourselves into the Feds.

Quail, my Friend,

 

Any pastor, or any person, who will stand in a pulpit -- or anywhere -- and combine the name of God in the same phrase in which he/she uses the word "DAM-N!" -- most certainly IS cursing God.  And, even an atheist knows that is not a good thing to do.

 

And, as for Morris Shenker -- yes, in past years he had been Jimmy Hoffa's attorney.  But, are you saying that a person cannot be forgiven of past sins?  My, my, your church fellowship must teach a different Bible than mine.

 

Let me give you a wee bit of history of Las Vegas.  Vegas as we know it was birthed by the Mafia.  And, when they ran the town, it had the lowest petty crime rate in America -- for no punk would dare commit a theft in the town policed by the Mafia.   Was that a good thing?  No, but at least we could go to Vegas without fear of having our pockets picked.

 

Then, the Justice Dept decided to clean up Vegas and eventually drove the Mafia out and replaced those casino owners with bankers, lawyers, and businessmen (a different flavor of thieves) and Vegas went legit -- and the cost of visiting Vegas sky-rocketed.

 

But, when Morris Shenker owned the Dunes, there were very strict rules for owning a casino in Nevada.  In the 1980s, Dory had investors from Japan who wanted to buy a casino in Vegas -- and she could not get them qualified by the Gaming Commission, because they were a foreign corporation.  That is how strict the Gaming Commission was then.  Now, they have relaxed such rules and foreign investors are more welcome.

 

But, still even then there was crime in Vegas, mostly in money laundering, etc.   I recall once when we were in Vegas because Dory had a meeting the following morning with folks at the Stardust.  That evening we heard on the news that the Justice Dept had raided the Stardust and closed its doors.   I told Dory, "I guess that cancels your meeting for tomorrow morning."

 

So, no, my Friend, when Dory had business relationships with folks in Las Vegas -- it, and they, were all legit (or closed, as with the Stardust) -- in the eyes of the law and God.

 

But, good try, Quail, my Friend.  I guess we could call that a fairly decent attempt to use a diversionary tactic -- trying to divert folks attention away from your leader, Obama, and your religion, the union.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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and there you have it.. bill tells another person about their relationship with god.. funny how that's not judging.

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And, it was a good attempt to avoid the issue that Quail raised... We'll have the depend upon someone better versed in law than I for an answer; but I do believe that receiving compensation for approving a loan is a violation of federal law.

In his attempts to vilify the current occupant of the Presidency (and in line with his bigotry), our resident troll has been disrespectful of the highest office of the land...

Note that no one has mentioned that the real reason for former President Carter's failure was his inability to deal the Iran hostage crises and his lack of leadership skills... On the positive side Carter did not trade weapons with Iran... Nor did he bring the nation to the brink of bankruptcy by bringing it into two unfunded wars (the costs were kept off the books, and one of the reasons for the near bankruptcy of the Social Security Trust Fund) which cost the lives of 4,000+ of my fellow soldiers and untold thousands of innocent Afghani and Iranian civilians... Not to mention the thousands of American soldiers whose lives have been put to shambles by undiagnosed, and uncompensated PTSD...

Lastly, not mentioned is the fact that poll after poll has shown that Carter's philanthropic and diplomatic works in his post-presidency have been unmatched in history, though former President Clinton is rapidly gaining on him... His post-presidency is considered by most historians the most successful in history...

I'm no fan of Carter's... If fact, I consider his presidency among the worst... However, when criticizing him, do so for the right reasons, not just because he was a Democrat... And give credit where credit is due...

 

Hi Dove,

 

Guess what?  I voted for for JFK, I voted for Carter -- and I voted for Clinton!  Okay, so we know that I have made at least three mistakes in my life.  But, since then I have been making amends -- by making sure I am educated on issues and current events, and the candidates; so that I can vote for the right person, not the party.

 

All my younger life, I was a registered Democrat.  Why not?  That was what all good guys from Alabama did in those days.  However, in those days, both parties had a combination of Liberals, Moderates, and Conservatives.   Today, if you are Democrat -- you MUST be Liberal.  The only distinction is -- HOW Liberal are you?  And, basically, the same goes for the Republican party being Conservative -- just a matter of degrees.   Moderates?   They went the way of the dinosaur.

 

But, then, I will admit that when Lyndon Johnson was nominated by the Democratic Party -- I went out that day and re-registered Republican.   And, I have been a registered Republican since then.

 

That said, I still vote for the person -- not the party.  I proved that when I voted for Clinton over Bush, Sr.   Of course, now I can see what a massive mistake that was; but, sometimes in our youthful fervor, we do make mistakes.

 

And, with that, my motto is now:  "Be Prepared To VOTE IN 2014 & 2016!  VOTE ALL Liberals And RINOs Out Of Office!"   And, if you ever visit me on Facebook -- you will see that I post that often.

 

That is done with a clear conscience and with a firm commitment to America and our American way of life that has been lost in recent times!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

and there you have it.. bill tells another person about their relationship with god.. funny how that's not judging.

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And, it was a good attempt to avoid the issue that Quail raised... We'll have the depend upon someone better versed in law than I for an answer; but I do believe that receiving compensation for approving a loan is a violation of federal law.

In his attempts to vilify the current occupant of the Presidency (and in line with his bigotry), our resident troll has been disrespectful of the highest office of the land...

Note that no one has mentioned that the real reason for former President Carter's failure was his inability to deal the Iran hostage crises and his lack of leadership skills... On the positive side Carter did not trade weapons with Iran... Nor did he bring the nation to the brink of bankruptcy by bringing it into two unfunded wars (the costs were kept off the books, and one of the reasons for the near bankruptcy of the Social Security Trust Fund) which cost the lives of 4,000+ of my fellow soldiers and untold thousands of innocent Afghani and Iranian civilians... Not to mention the thousands of American soldiers whose lives have been put to shambles by undiagnosed, and uncompensated PTSD...

Lastly, not mentioned is the fact that poll after poll has shown that Carter's philanthropic and diplomatic works in his post-presidency have been unmatched in history, though former President Clinton is rapidly gaining on him... His post-presidency is considered by most historians the most successful in history...

I'm no fan of Carter's... If fact, I consider his presidency among the worst... However, when criticizing him, do so for the right reasons, not just because he was a Democrat... And give credit where credit is due...

 

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good post dove

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:

Chew on this for a while ~

 

Sorry friend I have the opinion of Carter that you have of Reagan.   I seem to remember skyhigh interest rates, gas shortage and Iranian Hostages being held with no fear of retribution.  When Reagan was elected they knew better and released them.   As I have said it's all about perspective.

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poor bill has no clue that 'healing the sick', 'feeding the poor', 'helping our fellow man'.. without turning a profit is unrepublican. and we all know jesus was 'for profit' and all about the money. it's harder for a poor man to enter heaven than it is for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle. yep, jesus was a republican.  Jerusalem cruiser having, dress wearin, liberal hatin', gun totin' republican.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

So, Dr. Pepper, do you eat port?  Are your clothes made of only a single type of fiber?  Do you eat shellfish of any kind?  Do you believe the earth is flat?   How about tattoos?  Is your hair cut short, but your beard allowed to grow long?  Do you trim that beard in a rounded fashion? 

Good one Crusty,  Dr.Pepper almost sounds like a Muslim Cleric.

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

Chew on this for a while ~

 

Sorry friend I have the opinion of Carter that you have of Reagan.   I seem to remember skyhigh interest rates, gas shortage and Iranian Hostages being held with no fear of retribution.  When Reagan was elected they knew better and released them.   As I have said it's all about perspective.

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sorry hi.. my family owned a gas station during this time.. the gas shortage belonged to reagan just as much as the mess obama inherited belongs to him.  wasn't there some kind of scandal about those hostages being released after the election? reagan spent us out of recession.. funny how the republicans can't remember that. and were reagan alive today, and in politics, he'd have been  a rino, at the least!

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Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by seeweed:

Chew on this for a while ~

 

Sorry friend I have the opinion of Carter that you have of Reagan.   I seem to remember skyhigh interest rates, gas shortage and Iranian Hostages being held with no fear of retribution.  When Reagan was elected they knew better and released them.   As I have said it's all about perspective.

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sorry hi.. my family owned a gas station during this time.. the gas shortage belonged to reagan just as much as the mess obama inherited belongs to him.  wasn't there some kind of scandal about those hostages being released after the election? reagan spent us out of recession.. funny how the republicans can't remember that. and were reagan alive today, and in politics, he'd have been  a rino, at the least!

Did you mean Nixon?  Reagan also beat the Soviet Union using that strategy, seeing how much these latest wars have cost in money and American lives he was a genius.  Do not remember a scandal about the hostages being released and a quick google did not bring up anything.

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