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Even a masterdebater like bitternu can't argue with the "cajones" statement.


Well, I was going to leave this alone because I really don't care. But, since it can't be argued with, I will.

First, it's not a matter of "cajones," it's a matter of politics. Silly comments about "cajones" are only further trying to politicize it. Second, Jan Brewer is not "looking out for all Americans." While I support Arizona's right to set their own policy, I also realize that it has little impact on the rest of the country - good or bad. Finally, Jan Brewer seems like an awful governor (and that has nothing to do with her immigration stance), so I fail to see the benefit in rallying behind her.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
Finally, Jan Brewer seems like an awful governor (and that has nothing to do with her immigration stance), so I fail to see the benefit in rallying behind her.


The benefit to supporting her...regardless of the issue...is the fact that she is standing up to the federal government. Hopefully that attitude of "Yes we can as states" resist the central government will catch on with more governors.

It seems that elections really don't matter...we'll get one boob to replace another...and in 2012 or '16 we'll get another imperical overreaching president.

Yes we must keep trying to elect good people...but the time is long past that we need to assert our constitutional rights of self-government.

So the more governors that stand up the better.
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Yes we must keep trying to elect good people...but the time is long past that we need to assert our constitutional rights of self-government.

So the more governors that stand up the better.


I understand, and agree with, what you're saying. This just seems to me like the old adage of a broken clock being right twice a day. I would love it if all governors took a stronger stance for the 10th Amendment. I just wish more of them would do it on principle and not for politics. Brewer, as far as I can tell, is an extremely sub-par governor who just happens to have taken up a neocon-populist cause.
I wonder if bettern had anything to do with this. LOL. The comments are at the link. They won't pass the filter here.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/...arah_infiltrated.asp

Team Sarah Infiltrated
BY Kevin Vance
January 7, 2009 10:35 AM

Administrators of Team Sarah have uncovered evidence on a left-wing online thread that some Internet trolls sought to discredit the organization by posing as conservative racists on Team Sarah's forums.

Team Sarah, an online community supportive of Gov. Sarah Palin, claims over 60,000 members and is affiliated with the Susan B. Anthony List, a PAC that supports pro-life women for public office.

Apparently, about 90 left-wing participants on a thread at somethingawful.com pretended to be conservatives who loved Sarah Palin before writing racist or otherwise deranged rants against Barack Obama on the Team Sarah forums. Said one interloper on the somethingawful.com thread: "What I hope is that the fake posters eventually number the actual posters so it would be impossible to tell who is real and who is fake."

While other threads have been discovered in previous months at other websites that planned to go after Team Sarah, those attacks were more conventional and overt. Typically, posters would try to flood the site with anti-Palin comments. This new group wanted to be secretive. One of them posted a suggestion on the somethingawful.com thread (which is no longer accessible or doesn't exist) that the group "just encourage the crazy members [of Team Sarah] until it reaches the point where they drive away any sane members ... Make sure you bump any particularly crazy threads you see with a message of vague support for the original post, ensuring anything sane will be quickly relegated to the 2nd or 3rd page of the forum, and the crazy threads will appear to be the most popular ideas."
It's hilarious. Palin is talking about illegal Mexican immigrants, and she uses a Spanish word to denegrate our president. She makes a SEXIST remark, and expects everyone to just grin and agree with her. If someone had said, for example, "she shouldn't get her panties in a bunch" over it she would be having another hissy fit. She DOES prove, every time she opens her mouth, what a low IQ, low CLASS, ignorant little nothing she is.
That 'bimbo' had more executive experience than Obama, who had "0".

As for that 2004 election:
GW Bush 62,040,610 50.74%

2008:
Obama 69,456,897 52.92%

So for all the yelling of a landslide, he only got 53% to Bush 51%. Not so much a landslide. He got the electoral college by a huge margin, but that's because the states with the most votes are liberal.

I will take that Bimbo any day over a socialist and his side kick "FBD" Biden. Smiler
B50, after seeing several of her interviews, I don't see how anyone could have any respect for her at all. She truly thought that Alaska's proximity to Russia made her an expert on foreign policy. She couldn't think on her feet quickly enough to name even ONE magazine. Even during the debate, there were questions that she flat out refused to answer because she hadn't been coached on them. And that reveals the truth - after the interviews, she was not ALLOWED to speak about anything she hadn't been coached on because even her "handlers" knew that she would come off looking, well, shall we say, "uninformed".

It is not her politics I object to, although I DID vote for Obama. BUT!!! I would have voted for ANYONE else who didn't have Palin on their ticket. I'm sorry, but she just isn't very bright.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
Brewer, as far as I can tell, is an extremely sub-par governor who just happens to have taken up a neocon-populist cause.


Well that's AZ's problem...that's the beautiful thing of constitutional federalism. What AZ does in regards to their politics is up to them...But if it shed's light on the 10th Amendment...it helps the people of all states.

I don't think the 10th amendment is a "neocon-populist cause"...When it comes down to it the neocons will be against 10th issues as much as lefties...as I'm sure you know, they're both big government nationalist...
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I don't think the 10th amendment is a "neocon-populist cause"...When it comes down to it the neocons will be against 10th issues as much as lefties...as I'm sure you know, they're both big government nationalist...


I didn't mean to imply that the 10th Amendment is a neocon-populist cause. Brewer's stance on immigration is. I guess there's a net benefit to Arizona making a stand in favor of the 10th Amendment. I just don't think Brewer is doing it on principle.
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Originally posted by O No!:
B50, after seeing several of her interviews, I don't see how anyone could have any respect for her at all. She truly thought that Alaska's proximity to Russia made her an expert on foreign policy. She couldn't think on her feet quickly enough to name even ONE magazine. Even during the debate, there were questions that she flat out refused to answer because she hadn't been coached on them. And that reveals the truth - after the interviews, she was not ALLOWED to speak about anything she hadn't been coached on because even her "handlers" knew that she would come off looking, well, shall we say, "uninformed".

It is not her politics I object to, although I DID vote for Obama. BUT!!! I would have voted for ANYONE else who didn't have Palin on their ticket. I'm sorry, but she just isn't very bright.


I've explained this about six times, but once more. Of the 50 governors, only the governor of Alaska is granted a Top Secret clearance. The Alaskan Scouts are National Guard (mostly Inuit, like her husband or Indian). Many have full time active status even though guardsmen. As commander of the Alaskan national guard, the governor receives regular intelligence updates. Obviously, Russia is a main point in those briefings.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Even a masterdebater like bitternu can't argue with the "cajones" statement.


Well, I was going to leave this alone because I really don't care. But, since it can't be argued with, I will.

First, it's not a matter of "cajones," it's a matter of politics. Silly comments about "cajones" are only further trying to politicize it. Second, Jan Brewer is not "looking out for all Americans." While I support Arizona's right to set their own policy, I also realize that it has little impact on the rest of the country - good or bad. Finally, Jan Brewer seems like an awful governor (and that has nothing to do with her immigration stance), so I fail to see the benefit in rallying behind her.


It is politicized. Sarah was just telling it like it is in a language we all can understand. On your second note Jan Brewers job is not to "look out for all Americans". Her job is to look out for all Arizonans and according to the polls she's doing a pretty good job. Check out some news, more and more states are standing up to the overreaching federal government.
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Originally posted by O No!:
It's hilarious. Palin is talking about illegal Mexican immigrants, and she uses a Spanish word to denegrate our president. She makes a SEXIST remark, and expects everyone to just grin and agree with her. If someone had said, for example, "she shouldn't get her panties in a bunch" over it she would be having another hissy fit. She DOES prove, every time she opens her mouth, what a low IQ, low CLASS, ignorant little nothing she is.



Seems like you just did the same thing. Razzer
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Originally posted by O No!:
B50, after seeing several of her interviews, I don't see how anyone could have any respect for her at all. She truly thought that Alaska's proximity to Russia made her an expert on foreign policy. She couldn't think on her feet quickly enough to name even ONE magazine. Even during the debate, there were questions that she flat out refused to answer because she hadn't been coached on them. And that reveals the truth - after the interviews, she was not ALLOWED to speak about anything she hadn't been coached on because even her "handlers" knew that she would come off looking, well, shall we say, "uninformed".

It is not her politics I object to, although I DID vote for Obama. BUT!!! I would have voted for ANYONE else who didn't have Palin on their ticket. I'm sorry, but she just isn't very bright.


And what foreign policy experience did Obummer have? Have you seen the O talk without his teleprompter?
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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Sarah was just telling it like it is in a language we all can understand.


What? Can people note understand issues without some folksy catch phrase? Is that what the Republican Party is telling us?

She was trying to get a soundbite.


And it worked, we're all talking about it today. Of course I may have to disagree with Sarah now. It took some major "cojones" to dine out with Oprah while Michelle was away in Paris. Of course he may lose them when she gets back. Big Grin
Oh, and when are you going to realize that every president has used teleprompters since they were invented? It just looks much better than reading from notes you have written on your hand. Big Grin

As far as foreign policy, I'd rather have someone in power who can speak to foreign heads od state in an eloquent, dignified manner than a dumb bunny with enough "cajones" to wink and "you betcha" them while trying to explain her dizzy views.
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And it worked, we're all talking about it today.


Define "worked." Yes, it accomplished gaining a soundbite. It did not, however, add anything germane to the debate over Arizona's immigration policy. So I ask again, is this what the Republican Party is trying to accomplish? Have winks and unclever one-liners replaced ideas?
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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I don't think the 10th amendment is a "neocon-populist cause"...When it comes down to it the neocons will be against 10th issues as much as lefties...as I'm sure you know, they're both big government nationalist...


I didn't mean to imply that the 10th Amendment is a neocon-populist cause. Brewer's stance on immigration is. I guess there's a net benefit to Arizona making a stand in favor of the 10th Amendment. I just don't think Brewer is doing it on principle.


Well you're probably right on that...
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Originally posted by O No!:
Sorry Ferrelj, but my IQ is 160, I am decidedly MIDDLE class, and because I listen to/read many news sources, I consider myself well informed.

Not only that, but I can respond to a persons post without insulting him! Wink


So that high IQ makes you better than everyone else? That is the same elitist attitude that Washington has that is causing so much trouble today. High IQ's don't translate into always being right or knowing what's best. I doubt that your common sense IQ is that high.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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And it worked, we're all talking about it today.


Define "worked." Yes, it accomplished gaining a soundbite. It did not, however, add anything germane to the debate over Arizona's immigration policy. So I ask again, is this what the Republican Party is trying to accomplish? Have winks and unclever one-liners replaced ideas?


There is nothing to debate about Arizonas law. It mirrors federal law which is unenforced because politicians don't want to lose votes.
Palin also joined with nearby communities in hiring the Anchorage-based lobbying firm of Robertson, Monagle & Eastaugh to lobby for federal funds. The firm secured nearly $8 million in earmarks for the Wasilla city government,[71] including $500,000 for a youth shelter, $1.9 million for a transportation hub, and $900,000 for sewer repairs.[72]

In 2008, Wasilla's current mayor credited Palin's 75 percent property tax cuts and infrastructure improvements with bringing "big-box stores" and 50,000 shoppers per day to Wasilla.[46] A local gun store owner said Palin made the town "more of a community ... It's no longer a little strip town that you can blow through in a heartbeat."[46] At the conclusion of Palin's tenure as mayor in 2002, the city had about 6,300 residents.[73][clarifi

Not to bad, she also had a 93% approval rating in 2007.
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Originally posted by O No!:
No Ferrillj, I never said my IQ made me better than anyone else, just defending myself from your previous personal insult.

However, my common sense IQ tells me that electing a dim bulb like Palin to any office higher than den mother is a bad idea.


What does your common sense IQ tell you about the community organizer we have in the office now?
The "community organizer" is highly intelligent, an eloquent speaker, and has the "cojones" ( Smiler ) to make the tough and unpopular choices this country needs right now. He said himself that he was going to make some people mad. He said he may only get one term because a lot of what needed to be done would be very unpopular. But it does need to be done.

And already, some of it is starting to pay off. The auto companies are FINALLY turning a profit after six years of losing money. GM and Chrysler are starting to pay back the taxpayer dollars that were used to bail them out.

Even the oil spill has turned out not to be as bad as everyone predicted when it first happened and all of you anti-Obama people were blaming him.

And I believe when 2014 comes and people who have lost their health insurance through no fault of their own can finally get the healthcare they need, even more people will realize this "community organizer" really DOES have his act together.
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Originally posted by dolemitejb:
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The firm secured nearly $8 million in earmarks for the Wasilla city government


Seriously, how is that praise worthy? Do you realize how subsidized that tiny town is on a per capita basis? I thought Republicans were supposed to be the ones opposed to wasteful spending. Or, is that just when poor people get the money?


Do you realize that this was to rebuff ONO who said she left Wasilla in shambles?
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And already, some of it is starting to pay off. The auto companies are FINALLY turning a profit after six years of losing money


Did you not wonder why those auto companies were losing money? NOBODY WANTED THEIR CARS!
All we did was buy bad car companies through tax dollars, pay people to make more bad cars and then add more to the debt.

Guess who made out like a bandit in cash for clunkers? Japan.
Since the government had NOTHING to clean up with, that was a stupid idea.

Katrina was a natural disaster. There were several mistakes at all levels of government starting with the 'chocolate' mayor. Bush was made the fall guy.

Obama is the fall guy for BP. Neither deserve the scorn, but it comes with the job.

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