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Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

I wouldn't want dinosaur's daughter to catch wind of this, plucking and

chopping going around. 

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No idea about plucking and chopping, but looks like they are getting sued by at least one person, if not more. Wow! Imagine the tax exempt money they have to be able to buy the land to build that big mega church, and pay lawyers and settle lawsuits!

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Best, I do remember that & it's exactly as you stated. He didn't believe us then either.
 

J, you accused Best & I of lying about the Pastor asking anyone for donations to help the families of the victims. Even after we showed you the link & what it said, you still didn’t believe the Pastor was asking for donations.

 

You also said back at that time that there was nothing but vague allegations & unsubstantiated accusations, but no factual evidence. You said it was only a rumor of the janitor being fired for reporting Eddie to the Pastor, that it was just smoke-filled coffee house gossip. You were shown news links about that too, but still made excuses.

 

As far as visiting that church, that would be the last church I would want to visit. I happen to believe those people that go to church there & the discussions I've heard between two of the women & one of their husband's. I don't understand why they continued going to church there, but as I said they believe that Pastor to pee gold, & that he made mistakes where Eddie was concerned.

We've rehashed this & it's going no where. You believe the man to be a saint & nothing anyone says will convince you otherwise. That's what's wrong with a lot of people in church these days. They worship the Pastor & give no thought to the one they should be worshipping. I find that very sad, & would be very worried if I were those people.

 

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Boy, reading comprehension is really not your strong suit, huh? I'll tell you now, just as I told you then. HPBC never "asked" for donations from anyone. Church members, as well as other churches and individuals throughout the area inquired about what they could do to help, and what was being done to help the victims and their families. The statements made regarding the accounts set up for victims and families was in response to those requests. Never once have you seen, heard, or read about the pastor "requesting" donations from anyone.

 

In that thread, you (once again) falsely accused the pastor of soliciting donations from the congregation to "help the cause" (as you put it). Although, you absolutely could not substantiate that story (because it never happened).

 

As it relates to the "vague allegations & unsubstantiated accusations", this was never related to Eddie or what he was accused of. As you know, it related to your (once again) baseless story about a mysterious janitor and their reporting of Eddie's activities and subsequent firing. Never once could you, or anyone else, provide a link to a news story (as you say now you did) about that particular incident. Hmmmm, wonder why that is? There was, however, a news link to a story about a church and a janitor, IN WYOMING....

 

Finally, you've never heard me say the pastor at HPBC is a saint. He's not. What he is, is a sinner saved by grace. I just don't like people being slandered online by anonymous people hiding behind a keyboard. I stated long ago, in that thread, if Brett Pitman was found to have covered anything up, or known about this and not acted, that he should be immediately terminated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Please point out the 'hearsay".

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As I've already stated, Semi let us all know that the pastor at HPBC convinced people from the pulpit that Eddie didn't do what he was sent to prison for. She said, and I quote:

 

"there's a bunch of people in that church that doesn't believe Eddie did what he's in prison for. They were convinced of that from the Pulpit."

 

Now, we all know, because she has told us, that she has not (and would not) step foot inside HPBC.

Soooooo, if this were true (and of course, it isn't), how could she possibly know it???

Only because some mysterious, unnamed people who go to HPBC told her. Surely you can see the issue with that...

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

I wouldn't want dinosaur's daughter to catch wind of this, plucking and

chopping going around. 

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No idea about plucking and chopping, but looks like they are getting sued by at least one person, if not more. Wow! Imagine the tax exempt money they have to be able to buy the land to build that big mega church, and pay lawyers and settle lawsuits!

 

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You lost me there.

 

Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

I wouldn't want dinosaur's daughter to catch wind of this, plucking and

chopping going around. 

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No idea about plucking and chopping, but looks like they are getting sued by at least one person, if not more. Wow! Imagine the tax exempt money they have to be able to buy the land to build that big mega church, and pay lawyers and settle lawsuits!

 

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You lost me there.

 

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Never mind.  I didn't realize I was on page 2 and we'd switched horses.

 

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Such a sad circumstance when some people can be so strongly in denial & so quick to put a Pastor on a Pedestal & still deny the information that has been put right in front of them.

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The sad circumstance is that after multiple, repeated attempts to get you to show me the news article that states a janitor at HPBC knew of Eddie's activities and reported it to the pastor and was then fired, you still haven't. Because you can't. Because just as it didn't exist then, it doesn't exist now. It is sad that you continue to spew vile untruths without a shred of evidence, except what "you heard". MmmmmHmmmmm.....

 

Please, please show me the link. Put an end to the discussion. Drop the mic, as it were. Just show us. If the info has been put in front of us, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Look, we get it. You don't believe in God. You hate Christians. You despise churches. It's okay. That's your right. But please stop slandering a man you don't know, with your outright fabrications. The fact is the pastor and staff of HPBC were praised by both the MSPD and the ABI for their handling of this situation. Now why would that be, all-knowing one?

Yes, why would that be since they broke the law, and in effect allowed and aided a molester to keep molesting children for almost two weeks, or truth be known it could have been even longer. We only have their word they only knew two weeks prior. Maybe someone praised them, but others sure didn't. They asked the same question about them not reporting it and why weren't they punished. One report says the church didn't report it, that a parent went to the police after her child told her. Is that the real truth? Then to beg for money to fix something they had in effect allowed to keep happening is just beyond the pale. It has nothing to do with hating Christians, and you should be ashamed to try that tactic. It's funny that you call semi's statements vile untruths but still support people that did not report a child molester until they had covered their a**** as best they could. Shameful.

Here's one that's not praising them. Interesting read, link at the bottom. Surely this can't be the only lawsuit. Maybe part of the settlements is the victims have to keep quiet. Yes JDawg, real Christian behavior all the way round.

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The lawsuit alleges that Eddie stored child ****ography on his church-owned computer and that "Highlands Park Baptist provided Jeffrey Eddie with little to no oversight, monitoring or supervision. Jeffrey Eddie's office at Highlands Park Baptist Church was isolated from all other administrative offices. Jeffrey Eddie covered the only window in his office with a bulletin board which prevented anyone from looking in his office."

The lawsuit alleges that the church waited 10 days after a reported incident and insisted on doing its own investigation before disclosing the allegation of sexual abuse to police as required by Alabama law.

The lawsuit alleges that Eddie repeatedly and consistently sexually abused other children and that the church continues to pay Eddie's salary and benefits including cell phone service to his wife, a non-employee. "At all times relevant to the acts of sexual abuse against J.G., Jeffrey Eddie was acting as a spiritual counselor and was providing spiritual guidance and instruction to J.G.," the lawsuit states.

http://www.al.com/news/birming...m_files_lawsuit.html

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Yes, why would that be since they broke the law, and in effect allowed and aided a molester to keep molesting children for almost two weeks, or truth be known it could have been even longer. We only have their word they only knew two weeks prior. Maybe someone praised them, but others sure didn't. They asked the same question about them not reporting it and why weren't they punished. One report says the church didn't report it, that a parent went to the police after her child told her. Is that the real truth? Then to beg for money to fix something they had in effect allowed to keep happening is just beyond the pale. It has nothing to do with hating Christians, and you should be ashamed to try that tactic. It's funny that you call semi's statements vile untruths but still support people that did not report a child molester until they had covered their a**** as best they could. Shameful.

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I should be ashamed to try that tactic?!? That was the point of this entire thread! Go back and reread the OP. This was purely an attempt to rehash the tragedy that occurred at HPBC, under the guise of a post about Publix coming to town. If Semi had purely wanted to discuss the Publix, there was no need for the rest of it. But, as we all know, that wasn't her sole intent.

 

I would ask you this. If the behavior of the lead pastor and staff (excluding Eddie, obviously) was criminal regarding how they handled this situation, why was no one arrested? Why were there no criminal charges filed? Why were they praised by both the MS Police Dept. and the Alabama Bureau of Investigation for the way they handled this situation? Surely you don't believe the MSPD and ABI were complicit in covering up for a child molester? I mean, they are the people that investigate these things and they are of the opinion the church handled things appropriately.

 

Can you provide the link that Semi referenced regarding the mysterious janitor that reported Eddie to the pastor and was then fired? I think we all know that answer...

 

For that matter, how about a link to the report you referenced about the church not reporting it, but rather a parent reporting it to the police first? I am curious, because that's a new one on me. Not saying it doesn't exist, I just haven't seen it, and would like to.

 

And BTW, why does "all that tax-exempt money" bother you so much? You do understand that money was taxed when it belonged to the people who gave it to the church, right?

 

I would ask you this. If the behavior of the lead pastor and staff (excluding Eddie, obviously) was criminal regarding how they handled this situation, why was no one arrested? Why were there no criminal charges filed? Why were they praised by both the MS Police Dept. and the Alabama Bureau of Investigation for the way they handled this situation? Surely you don't believe the MSPD and ABI were complicit in covering up for a child molester? I mean, they are the people that investigate these things and they are of the opinion the church handled things appropriately.

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I asked you why no charges were filed. They certainly should have been charged, read the facts for yourself. So they were praised by the cops, so what? Not everyone has praise for them, I certainly don't, and other people felt the same. Again, not everyone sang their praises. They most certainly DID NOT handle it correctly. They didn't report it, as they were supposed to do by law, for almost two weeks, taking that time to cover their own a****. You can try to pretty it up any way you want but that is the fact, and has been stated more than once. They should have faced criminal charges.

 

The lawsuit alleges that the church waited 10 days after a reported incident and insisted on doing its own investigation before disclosing the allegation of sexual abuse to police as required by Alabama law.

 

Take Highland Park Baptist Church, a Southern Baptist Convention church, in Muscle Shoals, Alabama. On January 4, 2014, church leaders found out that children’s pastor Jeffrey Dale Eddie, who was the children’s pastor for 16 years,  was molesting church children. Instead of IMMEDIATELY reporting the allegations to the authorities,church leaders waited ten days to report it. According to RAW Story, this is a clear violation of Alabama law that states:

…“[a]ll hospitals, clinics, sanitariums, doctors, physicians, surgeons, medical examiners, coroners, dentists, osteopaths, optometrists, chiropractors, podiatrists, nurses, school teachers and officials, peace officers, law enforcement officials, pharmacists, social workers, day care workers or employees, mental health professionals, members of the clergy” to report cases of child abuse or neglect.

(Editors note: This is called being a Mandatory Reporter. As a MR if you fail to report neglect or abuse of a child you can go to jail for a long time, pay a large fine and be banned from your profession forever.)

 According to WAFF.com:

Muscle Shoals Police arrested Jeffrey Dale Eddie on Tuesday and charged him with two counts of child ****ography, 31 counts of second-degree sodomy and three counts of sexual abuse of a child under the age of 12.

Eddie served as the children’s pastor at Highland Park Baptist Church in Muscle Shoals.

The court documents indicate it took ten days after one of the incidents was witnessed for it to be reported to police, and nearly two weeks for the accused children’s minister to be arrested.

Investigators said a church employee stumbled upon Eddie with his arm around a young boy and a hand up his shirt on Jan. 22. Five days later on Jan. 27, that staff member reported what they saw to the head church pastor.

Two days later, on Jan. 29, court documents indicate church leaders asked to view Eddie’s church-issued electronics. Three days later, Feb. 1,  church leaders found ****ographic images of children and notified police about their findings…





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 If Semi had purely wanted to discuss the Publix, there was no need for the rest of it. But, as we all know, that wasn't her sole intent.

 It's her thread, she has the right to post on it how she wishes. No one is forcing you to read it.

 

Can you provide the link that Semi referenced regarding the mysterious janitor that reported Eddie to the pastor and was then fired? I think we all know that answer...

 

For that matter, how about a link to the report you referenced about the church not reporting it, but rather a parent reporting it to the police first? I am curious, because that's a new one on me. Not saying it doesn't exist, I just haven't seen it, and would like to.

Can't you do any searching for yourself?

Investigators said a church employee stumbled upon Eddie with his arm around a young boy and a hand up his shirt on Jan. 22. Five days later on Jan. 27, that staff member reported what they saw to the head church pastor.

Two days later, on Jan. 29, court documents indicate church leaders asked to view Eddie's church-issued electronics. Three days later, Feb. 1,  church leaders found ****ographic images of children and notified police about their findings.

The next day, Feb. 2, police picked up Eddie for questioning. On Feb. 4, Eddie was arrested and charged.

Alabama law says those who are on the "mandatory list of reporters" must report suspected abuse to police immediately. "That ranges from doctors, nurses, social workers, all the way down to clergy, school teachers, daycare workers, or their employees... are required by Alabama law to report suspected child abuse or neglect immediately," said attorney Joe Daniel.

Daniel said failure to report abuse immediately is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to six months in prison and a fine of $500. Muscle Shoals police have not indicated that anyone else will face charges in this case.

http://www.waff.com/story/2464...-abuse-investigation

During Wednesday morning’s news conference at the Muscle Shoals Police Department, Chief Robert Evans told WHNT News 19 the whole investigation started on Saturday after a parent contacted police and church officials about possible inappropriate behavior between Eddie and a child at church.

http://whnt.com/2014/02/04/mus...n-sex-abuse-charges/

 

 

One place it's mentioned. There are other places that say a parent contacted police and started the investigation. Now that you know it's true, you can do your own searching.

And BTW, why does "all that tax-exempt money" bother you so much? You do understand that money was taxed when it belonged to the people who gave it to the church, right?

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Because your church is a business, and a big profitable one by all signs. It has enough money to buy prime property and build a huge church, plus pay lawyers and settle lawsuits, and pay someone's cell phone bill that doesn't work for them. They apparently paid for goodies for Eddie when he was running around molesting children there. You do know that any money people spend with us or any other business has been taxed when it belonged to the people who bought from us, right? We still have to pay taxes on that income.

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Best,

Thank you for the link. I had not heard about the parent contacting police.

 

About the janitor, what you (and everyone else) are missing is the fact that the church employee that saw Eddie with his hand in the child's shirt was not a janitor. She was another church employee. After the story broke, a story about an unnamed janitor having suspicions about Eddie long before this incident, reporting them to the pastor, and being fired as a result, began to spread. However, nothing about this janitor ever came to light, in any investigation.

 

I understand Semi has the right to post in her thread how she wants. She did. I just pointed out the fact that she did so as part of her continued attack on Christians and Christianity. As is my right. Just as you told me "no one is forcing you to read it"-no one is forcing you to respond to my statements. Pot meet kettle, or something like that...

 

BTW, that wasn't really a denial about the attack on the church. So please, come down from your high horse about me being ashamed for using some "tactic". Sound as though I was exactly right.

 

You asked me why no charges were filed. The simple answer would be, there must not have been any charges to file. Again, unless you think the MSPD and ABI were aiding HPBC in some coverup. At which point, I would suggest contacting the FBI...

 

And as it relates to all the tax-exempt money, and paying for things for people that don't work for them. Perhaps it could be, just maybe, that the church realized that Eddie's (now) ex-wife and children didn't do anything wrong here. That they were victims in this as well. So maybe the church wanted to do some things to minister to that family as well, you think?

 

Just for clarification, my church is not a business. It is a group of believers, not a building or piece of property.

 

 

Originally Posted by JDawg:

Best,

Thank you for the link. I had not heard about the parent contacting police.

 And I don't lie. If you'd bothered to search you'd have found it.

 

About the janitor, what you (and everyone else) are missing is the fact that the church employee that saw Eddie with his hand in the child's shirt was not a janitor. She was another church employee.

No one said she was the janitor, and she did not do what the law required her to do.

 

After the story broke, a story about an unnamed janitor having suspicions about Eddie long before this incident, reporting them to the pastor, and being fired as a result, began to spread. However, nothing about this janitor ever came to light, in any investigation.

 Who did the investigation? The church? The same people that let him go about molesting kids for an additional 10 days, then 2 weeks? 24 days after he was found out before he was stopped if we believe the church had no clue. That's very hard to believe btw. And we're supposed to be impressed with the church and police dept?

 

I understand Semi has the right to post in her thread how she wants. She did. I just pointed out the fact that she did so as part of her continued attack on Christians and Christianity. As is my right. Just as you told me "no one is forcing you to read it"-no one is forcing you to respond to my statements. Pot meet kettle, or something like that...

 No, I was not whining about the content, you were. How is an 'attack' on a church that didn't bother to report a child molester for so long, an attack on Christians and Christianity?

 

BTW, that wasn't really a denial about the attack on the church. So please, come down from your high horse about me being ashamed for using some "tactic". Sound as though I was exactly right.

 My high horse? You jump her for saying what should be said about the people, and call it an attack and my response being on a high horse? Pfttttttttttt

 

You asked me why no charges were filed. The simple answer would be, there must not have been any charges to file. Again, unless you think the MSPD and ABI were aiding HPBC in some coverup. At which point, I would suggest contacting the FBI...

 There absolutely were charges to be filed. It's not only what I think, and you know it. You can read for yourself. There is NO debate on that. Because they weren't filed doesn't mean they didn't exist, and again, the parents should have demanded, still demand, they be charged and sue the heck out of them. You can make your little snarky remark about contacting the FBI, but that doesn't change the facts. She saw him, she was required by law to report it, she didn't. She told the pastor, he was required by law to report it, he didn't. As the person said, it's clear who the church was looking out for when they failed to report it. They just got away with it, for now. Who knows what could happen down the road.

 

 

And as it relates to all the tax-exempt money, and paying for things for people that don't work for them. Perhaps it could be, just maybe, that the church realized that Eddie's (now) ex-wife and children didn't do anything wrong here. That they were victims in this as well. So maybe the church wanted to do some things to minister to that family as well, you think?

Perhaps it was hush money too. As I said, who knows how long they actually knew, and who really believes his wife didn't have a clue? I think she held her cards until she was ready to be rid of him.

 

Just for clarification, my church is not a business. It is a group of believers, not a building or piece of property.

 Yes, your church is a business, a building, a piece of property. And for failing to do what the law says they are supposed to do they should lose their tax exempt status. It will be interesting to see just how many lawsuits were filed and how many checks they have to write.

 

 

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They have so much of that good old tax exempt money that they didn't miss $130,000.00 for three years?? Don't tell me that's not big business.

 

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The lawsuit claims church leaders waited 10 days before reporting the incident to police, after an internal investigation, violating a state law that requires clergy to report suspected abuse immediately. The suit claims the church provided Eddie “with little to no oversight, monitoring or supervision,” allowing him to cover the only window in his office with a bulletin board, close the blinds on the door to his office and lock his office door while individual children were present and giving him sole control over the installation and monitoring of security cameras. It claims the congregation failed to train staff on the identification and reporting of child abuse, and never monitored Eddie’s computer and phone activity during his 14 years of employment. The lawsuit says Eddie would never have had an opportunity to molest J.G. and other victims without job-created authority given to him by the church. All the actions “leading up to the sexual abuse fell within his scope of employment with Highlands Park Baptist Church,” it says. “As such, the sexual abuse was an outgrowth and was engendered by his employment with Highlands Park Baptist Church.” The lawsuit seeks unspecified compensatory and punitive damages from both Eddie and the congregation. (And I hope they get plenty too.)

 

It comes just a week after Highland Park’s longtime financial assistant and trusted church member Debbie Mansell was arrested for allegedly embezzling nearly $130,000 in church funds over the last three years. - See more at: https://baptistnews.com/minist...sthash.4thvyjhN.dpuf

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by JDawg:

Perhaps it was hush money too. As I said, who knows how long they actually knew, and who really believes his wife didn't have a clue? I think she held her cards until she was ready to be rid of him.

 

Wow...I don't even know what to say....you must really be a miserable human being.

Well JDawg, I'm not real concerned what an apologist like you thinks of me. You basically accused Semi of making up something she read, and btw she never said it was true, she said she read it, and then you turn right around and offer an explanation for why it was even there for her to read. I guess you finally searched and found others that read it too and you couldn't keep insinuating she was lying. What then, some of that 'saving face' it seems the HPBC members have to do? I don't see any apology from you to Semi though.

 

You also wanted to insinuate I was lying about the parent because it blows the story of the church contacting the police. Makes one wonder if they would have EVER done it if not forced into it. I guess everyone that questions your story must be a 'miserable human being'. Well, imo a miserable human being is one that will cover for child molesters until they think their own a**** are covered, and other miserable human beings are the ones that take up for them and try to belittle people who see the story makes no sense the way the church 'explains' it, and brags that there were no charges brought against them. It seems like people know more about it than you do. Semi and others knew the janitor story, I knew about the parent contacting the police, I also heard they were in the middle of a nasty divorce and this was her way of getting rid of him and getting the kids with no fight from him, and that she did know and had known for years.  

 

Now, I did say I heard, but what will you do if that does turn out to be true like all the other stories? Will you continue to call people 'miserable humans' for doubting the BS stories? BTW, your actions have been a lot less than 'christian' in my opinion. Semi is like me. We both have Christians in our family and we love them dearly. I love all my friends that go to church and the ones I grew up with and went to church with for so many years. I even love the coc  part of my family although they are a bunch of jacka**** religion wise. It is not a hatred for a church and Christians to talk about what went on there just a little over a year ago, and I repeat, it was shameful for you to use that tactic. It should be brought up often, and churches that give people free reign around children and don't check on them are outrageous. He was allowed to shut himself up with those kids. That alone should have triggered a normal person's suspicions. So you will just have to get over the harsh truth that a whole lot of people think the 'no idea' thing is just so much BS.

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Originally Posted by JDawg:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Best, I do remember that & it's exactly as you stated. He didn't believe us then either.
 

J, you accused Best & I of lying about the Pastor asking anyone for donations to help the families of the victims. Even after we showed you the link & what it said, you still didn’t believe the Pastor was asking for donations.

 

You also said back at that time that there was nothing but vague allegations & unsubstantiated accusations, but no factual evidence. You said it was only a rumor of the janitor being fired for reporting Eddie to the Pastor, that it was just smoke-filled coffee house gossip. You were shown news links about that too, but still made excuses.

 

As far as visiting that church, that would be the last church I would want to visit. I happen to believe those people that go to church there & the discussions I've heard between two of the women & one of their husband's. I don't understand why they continued going to church there, but as I said they believe that Pastor to pee gold, & that he made mistakes where Eddie was concerned.

We've rehashed this & it's going no where. You believe the man to be a saint & nothing anyone says will convince you otherwise. That's what's wrong with a lot of people in church these days. They worship the Pastor & give no thought to the one they should be worshipping. I find that very sad, & would be very worried if I were those people.

 

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Boy, reading comprehension is really not your strong suit, huh? I'll tell you now, just as I told you then. HPBC never "asked" for donations from anyone. Church members, as well as other churches and individuals throughout the area inquired about what they could do to help, and what was being done to help the victims and their families. The statements made regarding the accounts set up for victims and families was in response to those requests. Never once have you seen, heard, or read about the pastor "requesting" donations from anyone.

 

In that thread, you (once again) falsely accused the pastor of soliciting donations from the congregation to "help the cause" (as you put it). Although, you absolutely could not substantiate that story (because it never happened).

 

As it relates to the "vague allegations & unsubstantiated accusations", this was never related to Eddie or what he was accused of. As you know, it related to your (once again) baseless story about a mysterious janitor and their reporting of Eddie's activities and subsequent firing. Never once could you, or anyone else, provide a link to a news story (as you say now you did) about that particular incident. Hmmmm, wonder why that is? There was, however, a news link to a story about a church and a janitor, IN WYOMING....

 

Finally, you've never heard me say the pastor at HPBC is a saint. He's not. What he is, is a sinner saved by grace. I just don't like people being slandered online by anonymous people hiding behind a keyboard. I stated long ago, in that thread, if Brett Pitman was found to have covered anything up, or known about this and not acted, that he should be immediately terminated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well JDawg, I'm not real concerned what an apologist like you thinks of me. You basically accused Semi of making up something she read, and btw she never said it was true, she said she read it, and then you turn right around and offer an explanation for why it was even there for her to read. I guess you finally searched and found others that read it too and you couldn't keep insinuating she was lying. What then, some of that 'saving face' it seems the HPBC members have to do? I don't see any apology from you to Semi though.

 

You also wanted to insinuate I was lying about the parent because it blows the story of the church contacting the police. Makes one wonder if they would have EVER done it if not forced into it. I guess everyone that questions your story must be a 'miserable human being'. Well, imo a miserable human being is one that will cover for child molesters until they think their own a**** are covered, and other miserable human beings are the ones that take up for them and try to belittle people who see the story makes no sense the way the church 'explains' it, and brags that there were no charges brought against them. It seems like people know more about it than you do. Semi and others knew the janitor story, I knew about the parent contacting the police, I also heard they were in the middle of a nasty divorce and this was her way of getting rid of him and getting the kids with no fight from him, and that she did know and had known for years.  

 

Now, I did say I heard, but what will you do if that does turn out to be true like all the other stories? Will you continue to call people 'miserable humans' for doubting the BS stories? BTW, your actions have been a lot less than 'christian' in my opinion. Semi is like me. We both have Christians in our family and we love them dearly. I love all my friends that go to church and the ones I grew up with and went to church with for so many years. I even love the coc  part of my family although they are a bunch of jacka**** religion wise. It is not a hatred for a church and Christians to talk about what went on there just a little over a year ago, and I repeat, it was shameful for you to use that tactic. It should be brought up often, and churches that give people free reign around children and don't check on them are outrageous. He was allowed to shut himself up with those kids. That alone should have triggered a normal person's suspicions. So you will just have to get over the harsh truth that a whole lot of people think the 'no idea' thing is just so much BS.

 

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 I would challenge you to go back and reread this thread, and see exactly what I asked Semi for proof of. Exactly what part of the things she was saying were baseless, false, and unsubstantiated. I never accused her of lying about anything on TV or in the paper. It's there, just read it.

 

I fear, however, that you still won't see it. Maybe you don't want to, maybe reading comprehension is not your thing. I don't know.

 

Finally, here you are, participating in the same thing she did. Now "you heard" about their "nasty divorce". You talk about stories being BS, yet mention a divorce you heard about. Any proof? I thought not.

 

 

 

Finally, here you are, participating in the same thing she did. Now "you heard" about their "nasty divorce". You talk about stories being BS, yet mention a divorce you heard about. Any proof? I thought not.

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Yes, here I am, repeating what others have said, and as for reading comprehension I'd say it's you that is sadly lacking. What do you want me to prove? That I heard something? I made it clear that it was something I had heard and I asked you what would you say IF it turned out to be true, like the other things posted, that you at first denied, turned out to be true. So do your own talking to people or sthu and stop attacking others. I would bet money though that you've heard the same thing and it's another thing you want to ignore and hope goes away. One reason I mentioned it is to show that when something like this happens there are all sorts of things being discussed, stories coming out, and as you see, plenty of them are true. Where's there's smoke there's sometimes fire.

 

I didn't say I 'know for a fact'.  You asked for proof of where I'd read about the parent, I gave it. You dropped that subject like a hot potato. You ask Semi for the proof about the janitor. What proof? She and others read it and if you will do your own search you will find where it was discussed, Semi never stated it as fact, and others had read the same thing. And here you are, the apologist, the church attack dog, trying to pretty up the mess and pretend it didn't happen. Well, it happened and they're being sued for it. Good, I wish I could be on the jury and I hope it costs them a huge chunk of that tax exempt money they were going to put in their HUGE church.

 

Too, and hopefully last time, just because they weren't charged means nothing. How you can deny they broke the law is beyond me, but you think you're the one people should listen to, and we should all just take your word for it. How about you go back and read all the places it is stated they broke the law. That's not opinion, that's fact. You don't want people mentioning anything at all about what happened, whether it be a true story or one they heard. Like I posted, you want to pretty it up and make it go away. It can't be prettied up and there is no reason people shouldn't talk about it or any reason to let it go away. It should never have happened and it can serve as a warning to other churches or places dealing with children.

 

Here's a thought-next time check out the people that will be around kids. Tell the kids to report anything out of the way. Don't give that person a room and let them make it their own private little 'play pen' with the windows all covered and the doors locked. Again, why didn't that raise concerns, it wasn't a secret, people knew he was doing it. Check their phones and computers, and if you see them with a child on their lap and their hand up the child's shirt, be less of a miserable human and speak up, or at least take the child away and tell the adult that it looked improper. Tell the child's parent what you saw and let them in on what happened with their child. That way you won't need two weeks to cover your a** and jdawg won't have to attack everyone that calls BS on you. Now I will ask you-as sick as this man was, doing it on a church phone, a church computer, and inside the church building, as unable to control himself as he was and as immersed in child **** as he was, are you going to honestly put forth the claim as 100% true that his wife and others had no clue? I don't see how that is even possible. After all, one person we know saw him and he was still allowed to continue for 2 weeks. How many more didn't speak up at all?

 
 
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Originally Posted by Bestworking:
And here you are, the apologist, the church attack dog, trying to pretty up the mess and pretend it didn't happen.
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The best thing we can do here is ignore JDawg. I know some good, sincere Christian people just as I know you do. I know Christian people that will listen & debate in a Christian/adult manner but you have those hard core Baptist that will defend & argue no matter the proof that's given. JDawg is one of the hard core, wanting to defend & argue, he's not listening in an adult manner. He see's you & I as something nasty because we are not the Christian he pretends to be. (no, I have no proof he's pretending but it's not hard to tell the difference in rotten fruit & good)
I gave him proof about the Janitor story last time & he ran from the discussion, just as he has since you showed him the proof he ask for. He's one of those "Christian's" that's happiest when he can convince people he's right & everyone else is wrong.
If he really wanted the truth about the church & what went down with Jeff Eddie & the Pastor's part in keeping quiet about it for more than 2 weeks, he can search for it. He doesn't have to get it from you & I.
Let him rage & show how silly he's being.
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Finally, here you are, participating in the same thing she did. Now "you heard" about their "nasty divorce". You talk about stories being BS, yet mention a divorce you heard about. Any proof? I thought not.

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Yes, here I am, repeating what others have said, and as for reading comprehension I'd say it's you that is sadly lacking. What do you want me to prove? That I heard something? I made it clear that it was something I had heard and I asked you what would you say IF it turned out to be true, like the other things posted, that you at first denied, turned out to be true. So do your own talking to people or sthu and stop attacking others. I would bet money though that you've heard the same thing and it's another thing you want to ignore and hope goes away. One reason I mentioned it is to show that when something like this happens there are all sorts of things being discussed, stories coming out, and as you see, plenty of them are true. Where's there's smoke there's sometimes fire.

 

I didn't say I 'know for a fact'.  You asked for proof of where I'd read about the parent, I gave it. You dropped that subject like a hot potato. You ask Semi for the proof about the janitor. What proof? She and others read it and if you will do your own search you will find where it was discussed, Semi never stated it as fact, and others had read the same thing. And here you are, the apologist, the church attack dog, trying to pretty up the mess and pretend it didn't happen. Well, it happened and they're being sued for it. Good, I wish I could be on the jury and I hope it costs them a huge chunk of that tax exempt money they were going to put in their HUGE church.

 

Too, and hopefully last time, just because they weren't charged means nothing. How you can deny they broke the law is beyond me, but you think you're the one people should listen to, and we should all just take your word for it. How about you go back and read all the places it is stated they broke the law. That's not opinion, that's fact. You don't want people mentioning anything at all about what happened, whether it be a true story or one they heard. Like I posted, you want to pretty it up and make it go away. It can't be prettied up and there is no reason people shouldn't talk about it or any reason to let it go away. It should never have happened and it can serve as a warning to other churches or places dealing with children.

 

Here's a thought-next time check out the people that will be around kids. Tell the kids to report anything out of the way. Don't give that person a room and let them make it their own private little 'play pen' with the windows all covered and the doors locked. Again, why didn't that raise concerns, it wasn't a secret, people knew he was doing it. Check their phones and computers, and if you see them with a child on their lap and their hand up the child's shirt, be less of a miserable human and speak up, or at least take the child away and tell the adult that it looked improper. Tell the child's parent what you saw and let them in on what happened with their child. That way you won't need two weeks to cover your a** and jdawg won't have to attack everyone that calls BS on you. Now I will ask you-as sick as this man was, doing it on a church phone, a church computer, and inside the church building, as unable to control himself as he was and as immersed in child **** as he was, are you going to honestly put forth the claim as 100% true that his wife and others had no clue? I don't see how that is even possible. After all, one person we know saw him and he was still allowed to continue for 2 weeks. How many more didn't speak up at all?

 
 

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
And here you are, the apologist, the church attack dog, trying to pretty up the mess and pretend it didn't happen.
_____
The best thing we can do here is ignore JDawg. I know some good, sincere Christian people just as I know you do. I know Christian people that will listen & debate in a Christian/adult manner but you have those hard core Baptist that will defend & argue no matter the proof that's given. JDawg is one of the hard core, wanting to defend & argue, he's not listening in an adult manner. He see's you & I as something nasty because we are not the Christian he pretends to be. (no, I have no proof he's pretending but it's not hard to tell the difference in rotten fruit & good)
I gave him proof about the Janitor story last time & he ran from the discussion, just as he has since you showed him the proof he ask for. He's one of those "Christian's" that's happiest when he can convince people he's right & everyone else is wrong.
If he really wanted the truth about the church & what went down with Jeff Eddie & the Pastor's part in keeping quiet about it for more than 2 weeks, he can search for it. He doesn't have to get it from you & I.
Let him rage & show how silly he's being.
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Y'all really just don't get it. Never have I tried to "pretty up" anything. The reality of what that monster did is horrific, and indefensible.
What I asked for, and continued to ask for, is to stop with the unsubstantiated allegations. The facts of this case are terrible enough on their own. I simply asked for you all to provide some proof for the baseless rumors being spread here. Like, for instance, the unfounded, unproven story about a janitor having suspicions about Eddie long before this incident took place, reporting it to the pastor, and being fired. That story has never proven to be true.
I asked Semi about the untruth regarding the pastor at HPBC defending Eddie from the pulpit. That never, ever, ever happened. So if you're going to attempt to tarnish that man (regardless of how you feel about how he handled the situation initially) by propagating a story, provide some proof. Something more than "I heard".
Best, I asked you for the story about the parent going to police. You provided it. I thanked you. As I said then, I wasn't saying it didn't exist, just that I hadn't read it. You accuse me of dropping it like a hot potato, but I'm not sure what you wanted me to say about it. I wasn't trying to jab you, it was a legitimate request. I've never questioned or argued anything reported by an actual source, only the rumor-mill garbage.r
The worst part, however was your attack on Eddie's ex-wife. Again, you accused her of being complicit in the heinous crimes committed by Eddie. You said, "you heard" they were in the middle of  "a nasty divorce and this was her way of getting rid of him and getting the kids with no fight from him, and that she did know and had known for years." 
It would seem, if she knew about these activities for years, there would have been no need for a nasty divorce. She, according to you, was in possession of the information she needed to be "rid of him". Yet, instead of turning him in herself, she opted for the "nasty divorce"?
And since you think I'm incapable of any research, here ya go. Note the date. She filed for divorce on Monday, Feb. 3rd. The day after police picked Eddie up for questioning. Makes me think he must have confessed to her that day as well, since he wasn't officially placed under arrest until the 4th.
No need for rumors, or he-said, she-said. The truth is bad enough...
 

 

Y'all really just don't get it. Never have I tried to "pretty up" anything. The reality of what that monster did is horrific, and indefensible.
I didn't post anywhere that you defended him. You defended the ones that by their inaction and apparent scramble to cover their own ***** gave the child molester two extra weeks to prey on children. The church's actions are what you are trying to 'pretty up' imo.
What I asked for, and continued to ask for, is to stop with the unsubstantiated allegations. The facts of this case are terrible enough on their own. I simply asked for you all to provide some proof for the baseless rumors being spread here. Like, for instance, the unfounded, unproven story about a janitor having suspicions about Eddie long before this incident took place, reporting it to the pastor, and being fired. That story has never proven to be true.
So the story has never been proven true. So what? That also doesn't change the fact that the story is out there and others read it along with Semi. You have no right to ask her to stop 'talking' about something she read. She posted she read it and went on to say, "and if it's true."
I asked Semi about the untruth regarding the pastor at HPBC defending Eddie from the pulpit. That never, ever, ever happened. So if you're going to attempt to tarnish that man (regardless of how you feel about how he handled the situation initially) by propagating a story, provide some proof. Something more than "I heard".
Again, people talk. Why should she take your word over others in the church? What vouches for your honesty? Again, you have defended the inactions of the church members that could have stopped him 2 weeks sooner. No one is trying to tarnish the man and again, you have no right to ask anyone not to give their opinion about his behavior.
Best, I asked you for the story about the parent going to police. You provided it. I thanked you. As I said then, I wasn't saying it didn't exist, just that I hadn't read it. You accuse me of dropping it like a hot potato, but I'm not sure what you wanted me to say about it. I wasn't trying to jab you, it was a legitimate request. I've never questioned or argued anything reported by an actual source, only the rumor-mill garbage.r
What do you consider the rumor mill garbage? You really want people to stop discussing it but they won't, not even with your belittling them and calling it rumor mill garbage.
The worst part, however was your attack on Eddie's ex-wife. Again, you accused her of being complicit in the heinous crimes committed by Eddie. You said, "you heard" they were in the middle of  "a nasty divorce and this was her way of getting rid of him and getting the kids with no fight from him, and that she did know and had known for years." 
OK, first of all I haven't 'attacked' anyone. Secondly you are lying through your teeth when you say I am trying to make her a part of his crimes, so you can drop that right now. Thirdly I made it clear I had only heard it and stated IF it was true, what would you do? So again, if it was somehow found to be true what would you do? I notice too you avoided my question about no one having a clue before hand.
It would seem, if she knew about these activities for years, there would have been no need for a nasty divorce. She, according to you, was in possession of the information she needed to be "rid of him". Yet, instead of turning him in herself, she opted for the "nasty divorce"?
 I will say again that it is almost impossible to believe she didn't know, and consider this, during a nasty divorce he could use her knowing and not turning him in against her just as much as she could have used his actions against him. Think about that for a while. It's called 'clean hands' and if she didn't have them she couldn't use anything against him. She'd be facing jail just like he would have been. Happens all the time.
And since you think I'm incapable of any research, here ya go. Note the date. She filed for divorce on Monday, Feb. 3rd. The day after police picked Eddie up for questioning. Makes me think he must have confessed to her that day as well, since he wasn't officially placed under arrest until the 4th.
No need for rumors, or he-said, she-said. The truth is bad enough...
 No need for rumors and you link to a gossip site. No thanks, I'll pass on their 'report'. There will always be rumors, and again, where there is smoke there is sometimes fire. I don't think the day she filed had anything to do with him confessing. I don't know if you can 'file' that fast. Maybe you can, maybe you can't. All it says is she 'lawyered up'. In any case you really need to stop attacking people for thinking and wondering about it all. There are plenty of unanswered questions. Who knows what could still come to light. Yep, would have been nice if it hadn't happened to those kids, but when a church doesn't bother to check strange behavior things happen, and when a freaking church member sees it with their own eyes and stays quiet people are going to be upset. Again, if that had been my child involved in the incident she didn't have the decency to speak up about, or at least removed from the pervert's lap and called me to say something was going on, she'd have hell to pay in more ways than one.
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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

OK, first of all I haven't 'attacked' anyone. Secondly you are lying through your teeth when you say I am trying to make her a part of his crimes, so you can drop that right now. Thirdly I made it clear I had only heard it and stated IF it was true, what would you do? So again, if it was somehow found to be true what would you do? I notice too you avoided my question about no one having a clue before hand.
You absolutely did. You said she knew and had known for years. Your words, not mine. That makes her complicit. That makes her guilty (as you point out later in this post about "clean hands"). I try not to deal in what ifs. If something IS, and it can be proven, it should be fair game, and open for discussion.
Regarding anyone having a clue beforehand, the only alleged individual was the janitor-and I think we've discussed that at length...

  I don't think the day she filed had anything to do with him confessing. I don't know if you can 'file' that fast. Maybe you can, maybe you can't. All it says is she 'lawyered up'. In any case you really need to stop attacking people for thinking and wondering about it all. There are plenty of unanswered questions. Who knows what could still come to light. Yep, would have been nice if it hadn't happened to those kids, but when a church doesn't bother to check strange behavior things happen, and when a freaking church member sees it with their own eyes and stays quiet people are going to be upset. Again, if that had been my child involved in the incident she didn't have the decency to speak up about, or at least removed from the pervert's lap and called me to say something was going on, she'd have hell to pay in more ways than one.
It absolutely DOES NOT say she "lawyered up". It says court records showed she filed for divorce on Monday. That means they were not already in the middle of the "nasty divorce" you talked about. It's there if you just read it.
What do you consider the rumor mill garbage? You really want people to stop discussing it but they won't, not even with your belittling them and calling it rumor mill garbage.
If you've actually read what I've said in this thread, and still can't discern between the rumors and the factual reports, I don't know what else to say. I have no problem with discussion of facts, or even opinions about those facts. I really want people to stop gossiping. As I said, the truth is bad enough.
No one is trying to tarnish the man and again, you have no right to ask anyone not to give their opinion about his behavior.
I've not asked anyone to not give an opinion about his behavior. I've asked people to stop accusing him of defending Eddie from the pulpit. That hasn't happened. And I don't know that because "I heard someone say", I've been there. Just as I invited Semi, I would invite you. Come visit, make a call, whatever. I'm certain the pastor would be happy to talk to you.
I haven't "attacked" anyone here. I never told you to STHU. I think it's obvious to see which posts here are vitriolic...
if that had been my child involved in the incident she didn't have the decency to speak up about, or at least removed from the pervert's lap and called me to say something was going on, she'd have hell to pay in more ways than one.
This is something I think we CAN agree on. I said I try not to deal in what ifs, but I'm pretty sure I know how that would play out for me as well...

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

Well, I got a Kroger that's better than a Publix. It's even got ice cream

and stuff. And even and even over sized rat traps and in the parking lot you

can buy funny looking smokes with very little water damage. .... un huh... 

I'm dying to know and scared to ask.

 

+++

 

I'm scared to know and dying to ask.

 

Whassssup, Jack?

 

JDawg you are a liar and as such you fit right in at that church. I never once posted his wife knew. I posted that it was almost impossible to believe she didn't know. You sure are rabid in your defense of her, not even allowing for the fact it very well could be true that she knew. What's the big deal? It doesn't seem the church would care. I said the fact she went to a lawyer means nothing except she lawyered up. It says nothing about what she knew and when she knew it. Lawyering up is what hiring a lawyer is called by some.

lawyer up

verb

  • to retain legal counsel.

 Below is what I posted, and it's quite a bit different than what you lied and said I posted.

 

I also heard they were in the middle of a nasty divorce and this was her way of getting rid of him and getting the kids with no fight from him, and that she did know and had known for years.  

 

Now, I did say I heard, but what will you do if that does turn out to be true like all the other stories? Will you continue to call people 'miserable humans' for doubting the BS stories? BTW, your actions have been a lot less than 'christian' in my opinion.

 

Your lie.

You absolutely did. You said she knew and had known for years. Your words, not mine. That makes her complicit. That makes her guilty (as you point out later in this post about "clean hands").

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