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Pull out of Iraq?

D DeepFatOld Faithful
The national mood seems to be in favor of withdrawing from the war in Iraq. As I write, the non-binding resolution passes the House of Reps. Are you, personally, willing to live with the inevitable bloody aftermath?

Can our troops prevent a deadly war between Sunni and Shi'a Islam in any event? Do we want to?

Surely, no one thinks Iran can stay out of an unstable Iraq. Will Sunni Syria allow a Shiite government in Iraq, or will it go to war with Iran? Would you throw a party if that happened?

We have no crystal ball to consult, but is our continued presence there the best way to prevent large-scale violence, in the fashion of Korea?

DF
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NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
How would pulling out in the middle of the job solve anything? I see it as simply making the problems there worse, however it doesn't seem as if the current administration is even trying to finish. Iraq must have a trained military, operating government, and some kind of established infrastructure before the job is complete. I don't see why it's taking so long to accomplish that. Leaving before those goals are met will mean all that money and all of those soldiers who died or were wounded was all for nothing.
BrentenmanBrentenmanHall of Famer
Can't leave until we finish the job like we did in Europe and Japan post WW2. We cut and ran from Vietnam....and millions of people died as a result in SE Asia.

i notice the ones squawking the most to leave that are in Congress and the Senate are the tired, old hippy protester type of folks trying to redig up the 1960's. Murtha, he is a disgrace to the uniform and his retired rank. Pelosi, well, San Freaksicko values she carries to the max. They are making fools out of themselves, putting our country in danger, making us appear weak. The Islamofacsists are watching, and they will exploit it.
miamizsunmiamizsunHall of Famer
We have to have their oil. It is the highest quality on earth and furthermore, we can't allow China to have access to it. It is the single largest source of useable oil in the world. He who controls that oil controls the world.

Saudi oil supply has been falsified. Their largest mega-field, Ghawar has peaked.

The truth is that the list of countries exporting oil is shrinking, growing shorter. While the list of countries importing oil is growing much faster.

85,000,000 barrels a day is max output. We are 6% of the population and we use 22,000,000 barrels, or about 25%. "Chindia" or China and India are ramping up with the rest of the world and that takes energy, especially oil. Fossil fuels are involved in everything. Everything.
miamizsunmiamizsunHall of Famer
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Originally posted by bluesmann:
Heck, do the job right send 200,000 plus over there or do what we did to Japan. Let's don't play games with these people who hate our guts. The longer we wait, the more powerful they will become. Let's do'em end once and for all and bring our brave men and women back home.


There's no money in that, plus we irradiate the oil.
J Jan55Old Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by bluesmann:
20,000 more troopers is not the answer, just a patch. Empty out the jails of non-violent offenders, send them over there. Heck, do the job right send 200,000 plus over there or do what we did to Japan. Let's don't play games with these people who hate our guts. The longer we wait, the more powerful they will become. Let's do'em end once and for all and bring our brave men and women back home.



Yep, we can start the draft back too! I think kids in college should put America first, hold off on education for awhile until we win the war.So, if you see some kid in college, just ask him or her who in the heck does he or she think they're,join up!! Its War time!
D DeepFatOld Faithful
pba, thanks for that snappy, yet constructive response. Let me redirect the question to you, personally.

Is it ok with you that maybe millions of innocent people will die if we pull out? Do you support a national tantrum where we will take our ball and go home because the war isn't going the way we had hoped?

If you think world opinion of the USA is bad now, wait until we leave Iraq to the mad-dog Islamic radicals to fight over. When we leave this war of our doing, and abandon Iraq to be torn to shreds, what will the world opinion of us be then?

I wish we hadn't started this, but that's all behind us now. We find ourselves there, and responsible for Iraq now. Do YOU want to abandon that responsibility and face the repercussions for the next several decades?

DF
BrentenmanBrentenmanHall of Famer
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeepFat:
As I write, the non-binding resolution passes the House of Reps.


That non-binding resolution is mainly a vote-getting show. More "it looks good but we're not really doing anything".


...and it makes the USA look weak in the eyes of the Islamofascist Terrorits and other states that are not friendly toward us.
midknightridermidknightriderHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by DeepFat:

I wish we hadn't started this, but that's all behind us now. We find ourselves there, and responsible for Iraq now. Do YOU want to abandon that responsibility and face the repercussions for the next several decades?

DF




Agree 100%.
People can argue till they're blue in the face about whether we should or should not be there. It makes no difference now, we're there and must do something.The way I see it we only have two options... quit or not. If we quit now, I think we'll be sorry later. If we don't quit, I think a change in strategy is in order. The President and politicians in Washington need to step back and turn the job over to the military. I believe they could get the job done.
midknightridermidknightriderHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Brentenman:
quote:
Originally posted by midknightrider:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeepFat:
As I write, the non-binding resolution passes the House of Reps.


That non-binding resolution is mainly a vote-getting show. More "it looks good but we're not really doing anything".


...and it makes the USA look weak in the eyes of the Islamofascist Terrorits and other states that are not friendly toward us.



So true. They know they're no match for us militarily, so if they can hold on long enough, we'll beat ourselves. Just like Viet Nam.
S SeaweedPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by DeepFat:
The national mood seems to be in favor of withdrawing from the war in Iraq. As I write, the non-binding resolution passes the House of Reps. Are you, personally, willing to live with the inevitable bloody aftermath?

Can our troops prevent a deadly war between Sunni and Shi'a Islam in any event? Do we want to?

Surely, no one thinks Iran can stay out of an unstable Iraq. Will Sunni Syria allow a Shiite government in Iraq, or will it go to war with Iran? Would you throw a party if that happened?

We have no crystal ball to consult, but is our continued presence there the best way to prevent large-scale violence, in the fashion of Korea?

DF

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Can I live with the bloody aftermath if we withdraw? you bet! If they want to kill each other, let them!
Can our troops prevent a war---? probably not, but I don't care. see above answer

Will Iran stay out? probably not. Let them all kill one another if they want to. (oops answer 1)
Would I throw a party if they went to war with Iran? No but I'll buy you a beer if we get out of Iraq asap.

Would our continued presence be the best way to prevent violence.? Probably, but then again see answer 1.

Let me ask you and Brentenman a ?.
Why would you think what we are doing by "staying the course" is reasonable? We are not at war, therefore all we are doing over there is providing targets, and throwing Billions of $ down that rathole. Why do you not advocate bombing a path thru Bagdad everytime they shoot at our troops? Don't you think a few of these types of attacts would make them think twice about keeping this nonsence up?.
I say either go to war and bomb the hell outta them, or get out!
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by bluesmann:
20,000 more troopers is not the answer, just a patch. Empty out the jails of non-violent offenders, send them over there. Heck, do the job right send 200,000 plus over there or do what we did to Japan. Let's don't play games with these people who hate our guts. The longer we wait, the more powerful they will become. Let's do'em end once and for all and bring our brave men and women back home.



Non Violent? Hmmmm, get the violent ones too, they would REALLY enjoy their jobs over there, just send them back to Prison when their tour is over....

On second thought, nevermind, they would probably join the enemy to get away from us.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by excelman:
quote:
Originally posted by DeepFat:
The national mood seems to be in favor of withdrawing from the war in Iraq. As I write, the non-binding resolution passes the House of Reps. Are you, personally, willing to live with the inevitable bloody aftermath?

Can our troops prevent a deadly war between Sunni and Shi'a Islam in any event? Do we want to?

Surely, no one thinks Iran can stay out of an unstable Iraq. Will Sunni Syria allow a Shiite government in Iraq, or will it go to war with Iran? Would you throw a party if that happened?

We have no crystal ball to consult, but is our continued presence there the best way to prevent large-scale violence, in the fashion of Korea?

DF

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Can I live with the bloody aftermath if we withdraw? you bet! If they want to kill each other, let them!
Can our troops prevent a war---? probably not, but I don't care. see above answer

Will Iran stay out? probably not. Let them all kill one another if they want to. (oops answer 1)
Would I throw a party if they went to war with Iran? No but I'll buy you a beer if we get out of Iraq asap.

Would our continued presence be the best way to prevent violence.? Probably, but then again see answer 1.

Let me ask you and Brentenman a ?.
Why would you think what we are doing by "staying the course" is reasonable? We are not at war, therefore all we are doing over there is providing targets, and throwing Billions of $ down that rathole. Why do you not advocate bombing a path thru Bagdad everytime they shoot at our troops? Don't you think a few of these types of attacts would make them think twice about keeping this nonsence up?.
I say either go to war and bomb the hell outta them, or get out!



I agree with excelman!!!! Those people are NOT civilized, they have a very "selfish" religion, IF you want to call what they believe a religion. (Virgins in heaven and all)... Pull out and just let them kill each other if that is what they have known for hundreds of years... we are NOT going to change that....

IF they come here after that, then our TROOPS WILL BE HERE to take care of them, swiftly, not on the ground like they are now.... we are the makers of "smart bombs"... and they don't even use them.
BrentenmanBrentenmanHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by excelman:
quote:
Originally posted by DeepFat:
The national mood seems to be in favor of withdrawing from the war in Iraq. As I write, the non-binding resolution passes the House of Reps. Are you, personally, willing to live with the inevitable bloody aftermath?

Can our troops prevent a deadly war between Sunni and Shi'a Islam in any event? Do we want to?

Surely, no one thinks Iran can stay out of an unstable Iraq. Will Sunni Syria allow a Shiite government in Iraq, or will it go to war with Iran? Would you throw a party if that happened?

We have no crystal ball to consult, but is our continued presence there the best way to prevent large-scale violence, in the fashion of Korea?

DF

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Can I live with the bloody aftermath if we withdraw? you bet! If they want to kill each other, let them!
Can our troops prevent a war---? probably not, but I don't care. see above answer

Will Iran stay out? probably not. Let them all kill one another if they want to. (oops answer 1)
Would I throw a party if they went to war with Iran? No but I'll buy you a beer if we get out of Iraq asap.

Would our continued presence be the best way to prevent violence.? Probably, but then again see answer 1.

Let me ask you and Brentenman a ?.
Why would you think what we are doing by "staying the course" is reasonable? We are not at war, therefore all we are doing over there is providing targets, and throwing Billions of $ down that rathole. Why do you not advocate bombing a path thru Bagdad everytime they shoot at our troops? Don't you think a few of these types of attacts would make them think twice about keeping this nonsence up?.
I say either go to war and bomb the hell outta them, or get out!


Hey I want change in strategy, too. What the US Gov't failed to do was plan for Phase 4 post-conflict operations. Now, it is rebuild mode as we go.

I say we do what we have to do, then pull out. I myself was over there during Phase 3 (Combat Ops). I don't want my efforts nor the efforts of 1000's to be in vain. May or may not get my wish. However, if the U.S. quits without changing, then the U.S. will find itself in a bigger mess.....for years to come.
D DeepFatOld Faithful
Excelman wrote:

quote:
Can I live with the bloody aftermath if we withdraw? you bet! If they want to kill each other, let them!


Fair enough. Seems most Americans agree with you. I simply wonder if that attitude is in our long term best interest.

Who knows? Maybe it's W's Master Plan..... his insidious genius blossoming... Get all the aggressive Muslim states in that area fighting each other! Bwaaaahahahahahahaha!

DF
BrentenmanBrentenmanHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by e:
Why would someone feel the need to use screenshots of people purposely captured in (perhaps) awkward moments to suggestively define the value of said politicians? Perhaps equally important, is it mere coincidence that these two politicians happen to be women?


I see only the speaker of the House, a senator from NY State. THem being female means nothing to me. What I see are two socialist individuals, two anti-gunners, one who likes to spin things around, and another who is a kook from San Freaksicko, People's Republik of Kalifornia...
miamizsunmiamizsunHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Brentenman:
quote:
Originally posted by e:
Why would someone feel the need to use screenshots of people purposely captured in (perhaps) awkward moments to suggestively define the value of said politicians? Perhaps equally important, is it mere coincidence that these two politicians happen to be women?


I see only the speaker of the House, a senator from NY State. THem being female means nothing to me. What I see are two socialist individuals, two anti-gunners, one who likes to spin things around, and another who is a kook from San Freaksicko, People's Republik of Kalifornia...


What do you see here?




*edit* I have trouble understanding why anyone could objectively look these people, what they've said , then actually done, and then cast a hard earned ballot in their direction.
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