Where did I come from? It's a public discussion (and it appears I arrived before you anyway).
Sorry I didn't warm up with a few hundred posts saying the same thing.
Am I not included in the "anyone" you addressed in your quote?
quote:Where did you come from? I was addressing Fish's comment to Joy.
Just as I was addressing Joy when you popped in?
Dialectic said exactly what I would have said if I were able to write as eloquently. He has obviously been there, done that just like many others. I will reiterate and reinforce something he stated: "People of faith no less complete yours, people who have experienced the "love of God", have confided and trusted in him, have been touched, changed, and healed by "his power"... SOME of these people have discovered something else. To insist that they "could have never been" where you are, just shows the wall your hiding behind to protect your own beliefs."
For you and Joy to pretend to know what I felt or claim that the thoughts I had were "impossible" is simply blindingly arrogant.
quote:Originally posted by dialectic.:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
...For, I do not believe that anyone, who has truly walked with the Lord, can turn away from Him.
...For that same reason, neither Joy, nor any other Christian believer, could have ever called you "brother" in the Biblical sense.
And there it is.
YOU presume to know what was in MY heart and mind. The miracles Joy has seen must be greater than the miracles I've seen, her experiences more profound, her transformation more marked. Because you people know exactly what degree of change or growth I'm capable of.
You're both afraid to believe that a person could experience the profound feeling of connection with God that you do and then come to understand what caused it, because it might mean the foundation for your beliefs is less spiritual. I suspect you'll keep right on being the know-it-alls that you are, but I'll tell you anyway... People of faith no less complete yours, people who have experienced the "love of God", have confided and trusted in him, have been touched, changed, and healed by "his power"... SOME of these people have discovered something else.
To insist that they "could have never been" where you are, just shows the wall your hiding behind to protect your own beliefs. I'm not even asking anyone to knock down that wall, but denying that anyone has seen both sides is close-minded, and to me, a bit dishonest.
dialectic, how many times have Christians been told on TD forums that our relationship with God essentially does not exist, that Christians are weak-minded individuals believing in a fairy tale? Really? You know this HOW? As if they can know anything about me or my relationship with Father, Son & Spirit.
I question EVERYthing & my walk with God has been spiritual, intellectual & physical. I don't need someone presuming they know what they cannot know about me. What I responded to, AGAIN, was GoFish saying he was once one of us & he was never one of me.
If a person does not have an interactive love relationship with Jesus Christ, why in the world would they try to speak as an authority on the subject or presume to know all about my relationship with Jesus & tell me it does not exist? I don't need others to believe to know without a shadow of a doubt that the Father, Son and Spirit has have worked in my life.
GoFish, James 2:19 says "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder." Believer, sure, but is Jesus the Christ "Lord" of your life? Have you surrendered to His authority & His will for your life, abandoning your own will to serve Him in faith & to do whatever He asks because you trust Him completely?
What did the men and women of the Bible do by faith? They were not non-specific about who they believed in & their words were not empty or without result. "By faith, Abraham..." "By faith, Moses..." "By faith, Rahab..." By faith, Jesus' followers died telling others that the Savior had come. Those afraid of losing their power killed them to stop it from spreading. Despite their best efforts, it spread anyway.
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:
For you and Joy to pretend to know what I felt or claim that the thoughts I had were "impossible" is simply blindingly arrogant.
What I said was impossible is for you to have had the same experiences I have & be an Atheist. That would be insane & you are not insane.
Alright, I admit it. I was pissed. I'm human - so sue me. I am sorry if I went too far. I'm pretty sure I stepped over a line somewhere in there, but so did y'all. We don't agree and this should not result in high blood pressure. I have now read the Bible a while AND had chocolate - a winning combination for producing a happy Joy.
I swear, I am NOT going to enter these religious discussions again. NO, I mean it this time. Really!
I swear, I am NOT going to enter these religious discussions again. NO, I mean it this time. Really!
quote:Alright, I admit it. I was pissed. I'm human - so sue me. I am sorry if I went too far. I'm pretty sure I stepped over a line somewhere in there, but so did y'all. We don't agree and this should not result in high blood pressure. I have now read the Bible a while AND had chocolate - a winning combination for producing a happy Joy.
I swear, I am NOT going to enter these religious discussions again. NO, I mean it this time. Really!
Hang in there Joy, and STAY in there. Just because you get passionate about something very near and dear to you doesn't require you to apologize when you get upset but I respect that you did and I hope you won't avoid continuing to voice your views.
Joy,
You and Bill are right. Once you are a Christian, you can't turn away from God and be lost. God regenerates your heart and changes you. The doctrine of Perseverence of the Saints is correct. Once God saves someone he can't lose them.
You and Bill are right. Once you are a Christian, you can't turn away from God and be lost. God regenerates your heart and changes you. The doctrine of Perseverence of the Saints is correct. Once God saves someone he can't lose them.
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
dialectic, how many times have Christians been told on TD forums that our relationship with God essentially does not exist,
Never that I recall, Joy. I would not dare tell you that the thoughts you have in your head are "impossible" to have. I call people like Bill Gray "irrational" or even delusional but I would not dare say you or he cannot think what you claim to think. For all I know, god is giving you accurate predictions of tomorrow's winning lottery tickets. For all you know, my Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as "real" to me as yours (and He is!).
What you have and will continue to hear is that we atheists see no evidence for god. Until that evidence is presented, we can safely presume that god does not exist. The burden for proof is upon you for you are the one making the claim that I should believe as you do or face dammation.
But make no mistake: My disbelief is a provisional stance that is subject to change given enough evidence. For me, that evidence would have to be overwhelming such as aligning the stars to say, "Jesus loves you!" but even then I would need more confirmation.
For some other (less rational, IMO) atheist, the "evidence" to change his mind might be the birth of a child.
quote:that Christians are weak-minded individuals believing in a fairy tale? Really? You know this HOW? As if they can know anything about me or my relationship with Father, Son & Spirit.
I believe that is a twisting of words on your part. I do believe that anyone that ascribes to intelligent design, 6000 year old earths and dinosaurs occupying the Ark is irrational, dishonest or ignorant. Anyone who celebrates the end of civilization is just crazy. Beyond that, I can't know what kind of relationship you have with your god.
quote:What I responded to, AGAIN, was GoFish saying he was once one of us & he was never one of me.
I will grant you that I was not a Christian. I've never claimed otherwise. But for you to have the audacity to deny that I could have been a believer is just appalling, dear. How can you possibly pretend to know what was in my head for the first 40 years of my life?
For you to claim that no one could possibly have been "one of you" is the same as claiming that no Christian ever has any doubt whatsoever. We ALL experience doubt and have questions. Some of us simply admit the obvious.
Thanks, guys, but unfortunately, these conversations tick people off & I prefer happy.
We also can't seem to discuss our beliefs without inserting thoughts that do not exist into another person's words, such as GoFish saying "But for you to have the audacity to deny that I could have been a believer is just appalling, dear." My words exactly, right? Not so much.
I don't know if there have been so many bad experiences on this subject that we assume the other person is like someone else from our past or what, but it happens all the time. It's like the actual words were not read with the intent to understand what a person is saying but rather with the intent to argue the point. You know, we could try doing both at the same time, just for kicks.
GoFish, we simply don't get each other on this subject. Either you are not understanding what I am saying or I am not saying it well enough, but I think it's a lost cause. I seriously wish I would have not clicked on a thread by this one's title to begin with.
We also can't seem to discuss our beliefs without inserting thoughts that do not exist into another person's words, such as GoFish saying "But for you to have the audacity to deny that I could have been a believer is just appalling, dear." My words exactly, right? Not so much.
I don't know if there have been so many bad experiences on this subject that we assume the other person is like someone else from our past or what, but it happens all the time. It's like the actual words were not read with the intent to understand what a person is saying but rather with the intent to argue the point. You know, we could try doing both at the same time, just for kicks.
GoFish, we simply don't get each other on this subject. Either you are not understanding what I am saying or I am not saying it well enough, but I think it's a lost cause. I seriously wish I would have not clicked on a thread by this one's title to begin with.
I had no intention of pissing you or anyone off, Joy.
I do understand your claim that nobody else has been "you, Joy", not "you, a believer in general". I'd never argue that point.
I WOULD (and intended to) claim that no one has been closer to God or more complete a Christian than I once believed I was. Others here state that no true and devoted Christian can ever turn from God. I did take your claim to be similar, but clearly you're trying to be very specific about your experiences, something NO two people share. I do understand, just so you don't feel like your shouting at a brick wall.
We do share the frustration of being told what we think, feel, and have experienced by folks who have neither the right nor the necessary knowledge to make such a claim.
20 years ago I'd have been trying to make the same points you are even half as well as you're doing it. I grouped you with the likes of Bill, who would try and tell me who I have been or could not have been... clearly something that raises both our hackles.
I do understand your claim that nobody else has been "you, Joy", not "you, a believer in general". I'd never argue that point.
I WOULD (and intended to) claim that no one has been closer to God or more complete a Christian than I once believed I was. Others here state that no true and devoted Christian can ever turn from God. I did take your claim to be similar, but clearly you're trying to be very specific about your experiences, something NO two people share. I do understand, just so you don't feel like your shouting at a brick wall.
We do share the frustration of being told what we think, feel, and have experienced by folks who have neither the right nor the necessary knowledge to make such a claim.
20 years ago I'd have been trying to make the same points you are even half as well as you're doing it. I grouped you with the likes of Bill, who would try and tell me who I have been or could not have been... clearly something that raises both our hackles.
quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
Be careful now! Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny very much exist. The real question is to whom do they exist? If you ask the right people you will certainly get the right answer, that yes Santa does exist for he brings me toys each year so the question of if something exist or not, I would suggest, depends on perspective.
gbrk, this statement says a lot about belief. to whom does santa or the easter bunny exist and why?
Can you give me an example of an adult who formerly did not believe in Santa or the Easter Bunny changing his mind?
After reading this thread and having discussions with Fish on the other thread, I am wondering if we can actually discuss the theory and ideas of the Bible without trying to one up each other. Please don't attack. I am not saying it is only a book, but it is more than just a religious doctrine. It is history and geology and science (down DF) and genealogy and mathematics.
Joy, I am a Christian but I do not have the same experience that you do, and I am glad I met you.
Bill, I am a Christian but cannot accept the complete Bible as inerrant. I believe it was when originally written by he original authors, but not after all the years of transcribing. I still feel it is the Word of God, but it is not inerrant now.
Fish, DF, Hoss, dialectic, and others: I do not condemn you or pass judgment on you. That is not my place. If all of us were supposed to believe, then we would not have the Free Will that Bill talks about so much. I am sure that all of you are good caring people who I would like to know. Bill says women cannot preach, but they can teach. So, I am teaching acceptance of each other without judgment or condemnation or hatred. LMM
Joy, I am a Christian but I do not have the same experience that you do, and I am glad I met you.
Bill, I am a Christian but cannot accept the complete Bible as inerrant. I believe it was when originally written by he original authors, but not after all the years of transcribing. I still feel it is the Word of God, but it is not inerrant now.
Fish, DF, Hoss, dialectic, and others: I do not condemn you or pass judgment on you. That is not my place. If all of us were supposed to believe, then we would not have the Free Will that Bill talks about so much. I am sure that all of you are good caring people who I would like to know. Bill says women cannot preach, but they can teach. So, I am teaching acceptance of each other without judgment or condemnation or hatred. LMM
meanie,
I appreciate the tone of your post.
However, for the bible to be taken as legitimate history or science is absurd.
Some of the historical things happened, many did not. The science of the bible is laughable. Sorry, there's no other word for it.
DF
I appreciate the tone of your post.
However, for the bible to be taken as legitimate history or science is absurd.
Some of the historical things happened, many did not. The science of the bible is laughable. Sorry, there's no other word for it.
DF
Thanks, littlemeanmomma. I'm glad I met you, too.
dialectic, we cool. I let my emotions get ahead of my brain.
GoFish, are we burying the hatchet or what? Think this thing through now. You should know that I just found out on PuF's "just a little cute something" thread that I carry a saber and slay dragons. I'm just saying.
dialectic, we cool. I let my emotions get ahead of my brain.
GoFish, are we burying the hatchet or what? Think this thing through now. You should know that I just found out on PuF's "just a little cute something" thread that I carry a saber and slay dragons. I'm just saying.
You picked the brownies too?!
Well no wonder there was such a ruckus here.
Well no wonder there was such a ruckus here.
Alright, how many of us chose the brownies? Bunch of dragon slayer oddballs is what we are.
quote:Originally posted by miamizsun:quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
Be careful now! Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny very much exist. The real question is to whom do they exist? If you ask the right people you will certainly get the right answer, that yes Santa does exist for he brings me toys each year so the question of if something exist or not, I would suggest, depends on perspective.
gbrk, this statement says a lot about belief. to whom does santa or the easter bunny exist and why?
Actually I was being very simplistic and certainly not keeping with the seriousness of the topic. Yet what I simply meant was this. To a child, up to a certain age or point, Santa Clause is very real and actually IS REAL as far as that person knows and also is the Easter Bunny. Many detest both those symbols because they reason that we will instill within a child that suspicion toward other more weighty things that that are far more serious like with regards to religion. I though don't think there is any harm in keeping a child's imagination alive and wondering.
I find myself often wishing I could once again believe in Santa for those time, when I did, were far more simpler times and far less stressful than life is as you age.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
meanie,
I appreciate the tone of your post.
However, for the bible to be taken as legitimate history or science is absurd.
Some of the historical things happened, many did not. The science of the bible is laughable. Sorry, there's no other word for it.
DF
Ahh, DF, just as I predicted. Did I say accurate down to the last detail history? Did I mention specific science? I know your precise analytical mind cannot see anything of value in that 'book'. However, even you admit to your own satisfaction that there are things of historical value. I ask no more than that from you.
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Hi Mean Mama,quote:Originally posted by littlemeanmama: After reading this thread and having discussions with Fish on the other thread, I am wondering if we can actually discuss the theory and ideas of the Bible without trying to one up each other. Please don't attack. I am not saying it is only a book, but it is more than just a religious doctrine. It is history and geology and science (down DF) and genealogy and mathematics.
Joy, I am a Christian but I do not have the same experience that you do, and I am glad I met you.
Bill, I am a Christian but cannot accept the complete Bible as inerrant. I believe it was when originally written by he original authors, but not after all the years of transcribing. I still feel it is the Word of God, but it is not inerrant now.
Fish, DF, Hoss, dialectic, and others: I do not condemn you or pass judgment on you. That is not my place. If all of us were supposed to believe, then we would not have the Free Will that Bill talks about so much. I am sure that all of you are good caring people who I would like to know. Bill says women cannot preach, but they can teach. So, I am teaching acceptance of each other without judgment or condemnation or hatred. LMM
You make good points. But, you say, "I believe it was when originally written by the original authors, but not after all the years of transcribing. I still feel it is the Word of God, but it is not inerrant now."
First, let me say that in the scrolls and the bits of scrolls found in the Qumran Caves (Dead Sea Scrolls) they found an almost complete book of Isaiah. That had to have been written by the Essenes around the time of Christ -- yet, the experts have found virtually no discrepancies in that version of Isaiah and in the book of Isaiah we read today. Our Isaiah has gone through numerous translations -- yet, it remains faithful to the Isaiah found in the Qumran Caves.
Mean Mama, when you tell me that you still believe it is the Word of God -- but, because of all the translations -- you cannot believe in its inerrancy today; I have to ask, "How big is your God?"
We are talking about the God who created the heavens and the earth. We are speaking of the God who created mankind. We are speaking of the God who rolled back the sea and allowed the Israelites to walk across on dry ground. We are talking about Jesus Christ who raised Lazarus from the dead -- after Lazarus had been dead for four day and his body had begun to decompose. We are talking about Jesus Christ who told the Roman Centurion to go home for his servant who was sick in his home -- would be healed. And when the centurion arrived home, his servant was healed (Luke 7:1-10). We are talking about the Jesus who raised the widow's son from the dead (Luke 7:11-17).
This is a big God. Are you trying to tell me that this same God, after He had inspired 40 men, over a 1600 year period, in diverse geographical locations, to write the books of the Bible and have them all come together with one unified theme: salvation through Jesus Christ -- that this God does not have the power to protect the book He inspired when it was being translated all those times?
My dear Friend, Mean Mama, you are limiting God way too much. With all my heart, I believe there is nothing God cannot do. And, my Friend, you and I worship the same God.
Yes, the Bible is inerrant, without error, in its moral and spiritual teaching, and in its record of historical facts. This can be verified in 2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Samuel 15:29 , Titus 1:2, and in John 10:34-36. This is the same Bible which has 1817 validated prophecies, with no failure.
Mean Mama, you say, "Bill, I am a Christian but cannot accept the complete Bible as inerrant."
Yet, God, in the Bible, speaking through the apostle Paul, tells us, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
If all Scripture is inspired by God, as we are told, and if He tells us that this Scripture can be used for teaching His church, for reproof of His church, for correction within His church, for training in righteousness in His church, for equipping the people of His church for good work -- that we might all be adequately trained for this work -- do you believe that He would allow us to use a flawed and erroneous Bible to do all these things?
Mean Mama, take it to the bank. When God tells you this book is perfect enough for His church; you can believe it.
I know that it gets confusing when people like that atheists and non-believers keep telling us that the Bible is wrong, that it is a book of myths. And, to them, in their worldly minds which lack spiritual discernment -- it is a book of confusion, for it disagrees with their religion -- whether that be atheism or just world lifestyle worship. With our atheist and non-believing Friends; reading the Bible is like trying to read Greek when one has never seen the Greek language before. They are blind to what it says; and in that blindness, they fervently want everyone else to agree with them. In that way, they can believe they are right. Remember the old saying, "Misery loves company."
But, my Friend, they are wrong; they are eternally wrong. So, rather than buying into their misguided rhetoric; we need to be more fervently sharing the Truth of the Bible with them. For we never know when the Holy Spirit will do an amazing work in the heart of one or more of them -- and they will be saved. Mean Mama, if all of our dialogues, if all our writings and postings -- saves only one soul -- then it has all been worthwhile. That is the task Jesus has given to you, to me, and to all Christian believers in Matthew 28:18-20 and in Acts 1:8 -- Go, Make Disciples, Baptize Them, Teach Them -- be My witnesses to all the world. That is what you and I are doing when we dialogue like this.
Thank you for your statements and for this opportunity for us to share His Gospel with all our Forum Friends.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Bill,
You have said before that you keep several versions of the Bible for reading. I use a web site that shows each verse as written in 9-10 Bibles. Each one is a little different or says things a little differently. Depending on the context of each one, the meaning varies from one to the other. All are translations of the original scriptures, but they differ. I am saying the original meaning is the same but the apparent meaning is different. One may say behemoth while another says whales and another dinosaurs.
You remind me of a boyfriend years ago who told me , when I said the same thing, that God would smite anyone who wrote an inerrant entry. If that were true Bill, there would be a lot of smiting. As I said, we disagree but were can still discuss.
Please see this reference Bill and any others interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint
You have said before that you keep several versions of the Bible for reading. I use a web site that shows each verse as written in 9-10 Bibles. Each one is a little different or says things a little differently. Depending on the context of each one, the meaning varies from one to the other. All are translations of the original scriptures, but they differ. I am saying the original meaning is the same but the apparent meaning is different. One may say behemoth while another says whales and another dinosaurs.
You remind me of a boyfriend years ago who told me , when I said the same thing, that God would smite anyone who wrote an inerrant entry. If that were true Bill, there would be a lot of smiting. As I said, we disagree but were can still discuss.
Please see this reference Bill and any others interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:
Can you give me an example of an adult who formerly did not believe in Santa or the Easter Bunny changing his mind?
I certainly hope not.
My point was directed at children, specifically the uneducated mind, and why they believe, to a point.
What shatters that belief?
Do you think that if ancient tribesmen saw David Copperfield or Criss Angel perform that they would consider them gods?
What role did magicians, witch doctors, alchemists, voodoo and sorcery play in history? Were they taken seriously in their times?
It begs the question of playing on ones ignorance.
Is the devil real?
quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
Actually I was being very simplistic and certainly not keeping with the seriousness of the topic. Yet what I simply meant was this. To a child, up to a certain age or point, Santa Clause is very real and actually IS REAL as far as that person knows and also is the Easter Bunny. Many detest both those symbols because they reason that we will instill within a child that suspicion toward other more weighty things that that are far more serious like with regards to religion. I though don't think there is any harm in keeping a child's imagination alive and wondering.
I find myself often wishing I could once again believe in Santa for those time, when I did, were far more simpler times and far less stressful than life is as you age.
People want answers, simple answers that help them make sense. Always have, always will. Ancient beliefs and philosophy are usually the best guess at the the time. Nothing wrong with that, however, I'd say that we've sufficiently advanced enough to shake off old superstitions dispelled by common sense, reason and evidence.
And children deserve(if their parents are smart)the very best modern education. Ignorance, along with stupidity, is just too expensive.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:
Can you give me an example of an adult who formerly did not believe in Santa or the Easter Bunny changing his mind?
Every now and then, I can watch a good Christmas movie and almost re-believe in Santa again. I also waffled a little when I was a youngun.
What is your point, Nash? Are you still seriously throwing out this "Some guy became a believer therefore god exists" argument?
quote:GoFish, are we burying the hatchet or what? Think this thing through now. You should know that I just found out on PuF's "just a little cute something" thread that I carry a saber and slay dragons. I'm just saying.
Wull, I guess I have no choice. Who wants a saber in their butt before Handy week is over?
(And, hey, I never had a hatchet to bury, Joy. I love ya, mean it, and it's all in good debate)
quote:I find myself often wishing I could once again believe in Santa for those time, when I did, were far more simpler times and far less stressful than life is as you age.
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan
quote:Ahh, DF, just as I predicted. Did I say accurate down to the last detail history? Did I mention specific science? I know your precise analytical mind cannot see anything of value in that 'book'. However, even you admit to your own satisfaction that there are things of historical value. I ask no more than that from you.
Meanie,
Not much of a prediction to anticipate that I will not let stand a statement that the bible is a good reference for history, morality, and especially science.
Of course there are things of historical value. Only a fool discounts history. We should, however, be careful where we get our history. The history of the bible is highly flawed.
DF
Hello DF,
A little testy this morning? I knew when I mentioned science you would have to respond. The science in question would be from 6,000+ years ago. Obviously not the most up to date nor the most 'scientific'. I was generalizing but that is not allowed from either 'side' concerning the Bible. I have no side, I'm in the middle.
A little testy this morning? I knew when I mentioned science you would have to respond. The science in question would be from 6,000+ years ago. Obviously not the most up to date nor the most 'scientific'. I was generalizing but that is not allowed from either 'side' concerning the Bible. I have no side, I'm in the middle.
Testy? Moi?
DF
DF
Hi Mean Mama,quote:Originally posted by littlemeanmama:
Hello DF,
A little testy this morning? I knew when I mentioned science you would have to respond. The science in question would be from 6,000+ years ago. Obviously not the most up to date nor the most 'scientific'. I was generalizing but that is not allowed from either 'side' concerning the Bible. I have no side, I'm in the middle.
Considering that God created science and all the laws of science when He created the heavens and the earth -- there is no obsolete science where He is concerned.
The only ones obsolete are we humans -- who are always striving to catch up to Him. You see, there are some who think they know more than God. Those we call science fiction followers.
Six thousand years is just a drop in the bucket of knowledge for Him.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Go 6000 years yourself, Bill.
How dare you continue to lie to this erudite forum when you have been constantly and repeatedly demonstrated wrong?
DF
How dare you continue to lie to this erudite forum when you have been constantly and repeatedly demonstrated wrong?
DF
''Erudite comes from Latin eruditus, from e-, "out of, from" + rudis, "rough, untaught," which is also the source of English rude. Hence one who is erudite has been brought out of a rough, untaught, rude state.''
You are giving this group a LOT of credit there DF. I am usually considered rude, BTW.
You are giving this group a LOT of credit there DF. I am usually considered rude, BTW.
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:GoFish, are we burying the hatchet or what? Think this thing through now. You should know that I just found out on PuF's "just a little cute something" thread that I carry a saber and slay dragons. I'm just saying.
Wull, I guess I have no choice. Who wants a saber in their butt before Handy week is over?
(And, hey, I never had a hatchet to bury, Joy. I love ya, mean it, and it's all in good debate)
LOL - Wise man.
Sorry this reply is (wow!) a week after the fact. I've been busier than a one-armed paperhanger with a case of the hives, for which I am thankful actually.
joy,
there's an image I didn't need.
DF
there's an image I didn't need.
DF
Hi to all,quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Go 6000 years yourself, Bill.
How dare you continue to lie to this erudite forum when you have been constantly and repeatedly demonstrated wrong?
DF
Don't you just love those intelligent, well thought out atheist responses? Sort of like when we were in grade school and made statements like, "Yeah, well, your momma wears combat boots!"
Ah, yes, our dear Friend, Deep, is bringing back many good elementary school memories.
As Bob Hope sang, "Thanks for the memories. . ."
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Miamiz,
Great video, thanks.
DF
Great video, thanks.
DF
Mr. Bill,
You ignored the second part of my compact send. How dare you continue to lie to this forum?
DF
You ignored the second part of my compact send. How dare you continue to lie to this forum?
DF
Interesting, the video complains about bias, yet notice how they portray Christians at about :45.
Also, if mainstream encyclopedias are censored so they don't offend Christians, then why do they contain information about evolution which obviously offends the Bill Gray types?
Another point. My b'day is in December, yet we celebrate it in June for convenience. That doesn't mean I was born in June. The video's attempt to try and link Jesus actual birthday to December just because that's when it's observed is stretching it.
Basically, they are complaining about bias, yet are far from objective. No offence, but it sounds like the same arguments Pogo uses for posting his left wing sites. The main stream won't cover it, but here's the truth. Reality is mainstream doesn't cover it because it's not totally true. Same goes with this video.
Also, if mainstream encyclopedias are censored so they don't offend Christians, then why do they contain information about evolution which obviously offends the Bill Gray types?
Another point. My b'day is in December, yet we celebrate it in June for convenience. That doesn't mean I was born in June. The video's attempt to try and link Jesus actual birthday to December just because that's when it's observed is stretching it.
Basically, they are complaining about bias, yet are far from objective. No offence, but it sounds like the same arguments Pogo uses for posting his left wing sites. The main stream won't cover it, but here's the truth. Reality is mainstream doesn't cover it because it's not totally true. Same goes with this video.