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I'm am so sick of hearing about recruits!!! mainly from Bammers who have all but put another national championship banner up simply because Rivals tells them how great a bunch of high school kids are. But I'm sick of my fellow Auburn fans too. Why does everyone get so wrapped up in imaginary stars in front of an 18 year old kid's name? Why is Bama's class better than Auburn's?? Cause Rivals.com and Scouts.com say so?? Idiotic!!!
Check the speed category of Auburn's recruiting class... outside of linemen, every player is 4.6/40 or better.... heck, they even have a commit from a DE with a 4.46/40. Speed kills, and if you show me 2 6'2" 210 LBs with 4.55 speed, one is 5* and one is 3*, how will I know which one is the best player??? Wait and see if they reach their potential at the next level, then if they can take it to the NFL. Auburn will have just as many All SEC guys from this class as Bama, and will have just as many, if not more, NFL players off of it. Get off this junk and see how the kids do on the field.... Just a few names that folks hung up on rankings wouldntve given a chance....

Ben Grubbs, 2* TE--Starting G in NFL/1st round
Ronnie Brown, 3*--Starting RB in NFL/2 pick overall
Karlos Dansby, 2* WR--Starting LB in NFL/1st rnd
Dontarius Thomas, NR--rotation @ LB in NFL/mid rund
Sen'Derrick Marks, 2*--will be a 1st or 2nd round pick in this years NFL draft

If stars were as meaningfull as some want you to believe, these guys wouldve had to play at the D-1aa level and definately shouldnt be in the pros.
Just a rant on something that annoys the crap out of me....just let'em play on the field and see what happens....

PS...Utah had exactly ONE 4 star and ZERO 5 star players on the team that dominated then Tide in the Sugar Bowl.... just somemore food for thought.... Rivals, Scouts, nor ESPN can measure a kids heart and desire...
"Remember, it's not a lie if YOU believe it" George Costanza
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
It's just strange to me how all that recruiting "nonsense" meant something when Auburn had the higher ranked recruiting classes. Oh well, to each his own.


And now a bammer that obviously sports a quality UAT education.... cause you can't read. I specifically stated that I was sick of my fellow Auburn fans too. I want quality players with quality character.... if that means 5* awesome, if that means 2* also awsome. My point was simple.... this idiotic obsession with imaginary stars in front of 17 and 18 year old kids' names is what I'm sick of, no matter who you pull for. See, unlike you guys, I can practice objectivity.
An Aubbie just trying to make themselves feel better. Big Grin

Recruiting is not an exact science. Are there going to be highly rated players that turn out to be a bust? Sure. Are there going to be lower rated players that turn out to be superstars? Certainly.
In the next few years, Saban will carry a Bama team made up of mainly 4 and 5 star players into the Iron Bowl against Cheesewiz and his team of 2 and 3 star players. While having better coaches and players does not always guarantee victory, it certainly improves your chances. Smiler
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
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Originally posted by DHS-86:
It's just strange to me how all that recruiting "nonsense" meant something when Auburn had the higher ranked recruiting classes. Oh well, to each his own.


And now a bammer that obviously sports a quality UAT education.... cause you can't read. I specifically stated that I was sick of my fellow Auburn fans too. I want quality players with quality character.... if that means 5* awesome, if that means 2* also awsome. My point was simple.... this idiotic obsession with imaginary stars in front of 17 and 18 year old kids' names is what I'm sick of, no matter who you pull for. See, unlike you guys, I can practice objectivity.


I read fine, including things you've posted in the past where all you did was tout how highly ranked the recruits were that AU had been getting. I agree that the stars , by their name, don't mean much until they play at the college level. My point is, as long as AU had the better recruiting classes, all those rankings were solid. Now, that Bama has the better recruiting class, they mean nothing. In years past, on this forum, you have went on and on about the highly ranked AU recruits. Deny if you like, but I was here and read them as did many others.
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
An Aubbie just trying to make themselves feel better. Big Grin

Recruiting is not an exact science. Are there going to be highly rated players that turn out to be a bust? Sure. Are there going to be lower rated players that turn out to be superstars? Certainly.
In the next few years, Saban will carry a Bama team made up of mainly 4 and 5 star players into the Iron Bowl against Cheesewiz and his team of 2 and 3 star players. While having better coaches and players does not always guarantee victory, it certainly improves your chances. Smiler


Completely unfactual post.... If you're gonna talk stars, then try not to post what is either misimformation, or just an outright lie... Auburn has plenty of 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 star guys.... That's my point that you punchy folks can't seem to grasp. Auburn gets fantastic talent from 5* to 1*. Any questions about that then just look at the NFL.
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Originally posted by DHS-86:

I read fine, including things you've posted in the past where all you did was tout how highly ranked the recruits were that AU had been getting. I agree that the stars , by their name, don't mean much until they play at the college level. My point is, as long as AU had the better recruiting classes, all those rankings were solid. Now, that Bama has the better recruiting class, they mean nothing. In years past, on this forum, you have went on and on about the highly ranked AU recruits. Deny if you like, but I was here and read them as did many others.


And I would love for you to show any of those posts to me.... I'm sure I've talked about recruits, but in the same way I am now... If the kid has good size and speed then 5* or 2* don't make a hill of beans difference to me... That's fact. Auburn will always be in the top 20 on those pay-sites, and will scatter a top 10 or 5 now and then.... but historically Auburn has rarely ever "out-recruited" Alabama in terms of star rating, so how could I be boisturous about something that hasn't happend much? And just for the record, I'll brag about this class right now, and think it is better than Alabama's no matter the star rating. Auburn will sign more players and build more depth from this class than Alabama will theirs. Now, in 3 and 4 years we'll come back and compare records.
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Originally posted by OriginalBama:
Its just a way to measure the recruits...... and recruiting classes. Dont really mean alot. Like the Heisman,.... how many times has a winner of the Heisman been a bust in the NFL?
Maybe you need to go whine to Rivals and Scouts and tell them what you think. I'm sure they need a good laugh.


Hilarious.... you agree with my post, but because I'm an Auburn fan you have to take a pot-shot at the end... hahahaha!!! Well, at least you admitted that I was right first.
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
An Aubbie just trying to make themselves feel better. Big Grin

Recruiting is not an exact science. Are there going to be highly rated players that turn out to be a bust? Sure. Are there going to be lower rated players that turn out to be superstars? Certainly.
In the next few years, Saban will carry a Bama team made up of mainly 4 and 5 star players into the Iron Bowl against Cheesewiz and his team of 2 and 3 star players. While having better coaches and players does not always guarantee victory, it certainly improves your chances. Smiler


Completely unfactual post.... If you're gonna talk stars, then try not to post what is either misimformation, or just an outright lie... Auburn has plenty of 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 star guys.... That's my point that you punchy folks can't seem to grasp. Auburn gets fantastic talent from 5* to 1*. Any questions about that then just look at the NFL.


There's more facts in my post than you care to admit!!!

Recruiting is not an exact science - fact.
Better coaches and players improve your chances of winning - fact.
My reference too stars was not meant to be taken literally. But since you did, I'll amend that part.
Suffice it to say, Bama had the better players and coaches this year, as evidenced by that 36-0 beat down. They will have better coaches and players the next several years. The only unanswered question is...Will the beat downs be about the same, not as bad, or worse ?


While your assertion that stars do not guarantee success or failure of a player is certainly true, it does serve as a measuring stick. If you don't believe it, just ask Cheesewiz if he'd rather have Bama's class of recruits or Auburn's.
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
There's more facts in my post than you care to admit!!!

Recruiting is not an exact science - fact.
Better coaches and players improve your chances of winning - fact.
My reference too stars was not meant to be taken literally. But since you did, I'll amend that part.
Suffice it to say, Bama had the better players and coaches this year, as evidenced by that 36-0 beat down. They will have better coaches and players the next several years. The only unanswered question is...Will the beat downs be about the same, not as bad, or worse ?


While your assertion that stars do not guarantee success or failure of a player is certainly true, it does serve as a measuring stick. If you don't believe it, just ask Cheesewiz if he'd rather have Bama's class of recruits or Auburn's.


Your assertion that Alabama is overflowing with 5* and 4* while Auburn's cabinets are empty of them was ridiculous... That's what I was talkin about. You bammers get so hung up on that junk that you just assume they all come there and none go to Auburn... but unfortunately for ya'll, it ain't the days of the Bahr putting the cash on the front porch to get'em all....well, unless the NCAA investigation tells differently.
As for Chizik wanting Bammie's crootin class... you realize that he's been Auburn's coach for just a couple of months don't you? This class is shapin up awesome. Auburn will field one of the fastest teams in the nation over the next couple of years.... We'll be just fine.
And coaching was the reason for the Iron Bowl. Auburn's offense was horrible if you hadn't noticed.... bama just took advantage of that ineptitude....same as 6 other teams in '08.
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
This class is shapin up awesome. Auburn will field one of the fastest teams in the nation over the next couple of years.... We'll be just fine.



Uh O.K.

Tell yourself whatever helps you sleep. Roll Eyes

Apparently the definition of "awesome" and "fine" are different down on the plains.


once again, unlike bammers, my live doesn't revolve around Auburn football, so no matter what I sleep fine.... Like I've said, while ya'll are hung up on imaginary stars in front of ya'll's recruits names, I'm lookin at the forty times after their names. Auburn recruits LB's that can outrun Julio Jones.... That's my point... Auburn recruits speed at every postition. A 4.4/40 on a 2* is the same as 4.4/40 on a 5*.. Coaching takes over beyond that.. Which Chizik coachin the D, that side will be as good as ever... If Malzan and those O-assistants do a good job then Auburn will be quite dangerous next year. We have optimism about the future.... We can only get better after the mess that was the offensive coaching from last year.... Can you say the same about bammie with the losses suffered from that O-line and backfield??
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
This class is shapin up awesome. Auburn will field one of the fastest teams in the nation over the next couple of years.... We'll be just fine.



Uh O.K.

Tell yourself whatever helps you sleep. Roll Eyes

Apparently the definition of "awesome" and "fine" are different down on the plains.


once again, unlike bammers, my live doesn't revolve around Auburn football, so no matter what I sleep fine.... Like I've said, while ya'll are hung up on imaginary stars in front of ya'll's recruits names, I'm lookin at the forty times after their names. Auburn recruits LB's that can outrun Julio Jones.... That's my point... Auburn recruits speed at every postition. A 4.4/40 on a 2* is the same as 4.4/40 on a 5*.. Coaching takes over beyond that.. Which Chizik coachin the D, that side will be as good as ever... If Malzan and those O-assistants do a good job then Auburn will be quite dangerous next year. We have optimism about the future.... We can only get better after the mess that was the offensive coaching from last year.... Can you say the same about bammie with the losses suffered from that O-line and backfield??



First, the line "whatever helps you sleep" was just a euphemism, you know...like "whatever floats your boat", "whatever cranks your tractor", etc. Wink

Secondly, your theory about speed might be ok if this were a foot race, but it's not. Stars are used as a measurement of overall football skills. Auburn may have some two star linebackers that can out run JJ, but the problem is, they can't do anything when they get there. Big Grin
Once again Midknight... you drink the bammie 5* kool aid and show an extreme lack of actual football knowledge... check that list I put up earlier... That's the tip of the iceburg... If an athletic kid, no matter the stars, gets good coaching and has heart and desire, that's what makes the football player. Ask the Arizona Cardinals if they cared that Karlos Dansby was a 2* WR coming out of HS... cause now he's one of their starting LBs and one of the leaders on that team.

Actually, so that it's closer to home, ask Little Nicky Saban if he cares that Rashad Johnson was a walk-on no star guy when he got to bama.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but he was kinda an important player on ya'll's defense wasnt he?

Coaching is the #1 aspect of all this. If a coach and kid connect, and that kid has the natural athleticism and work ethic... the skys the limit. My only point, it's idiotic to get hung up on stars that some pay site puts in front of the kid. It's a measurable that accounts for about 5 to 10% of what the kid actually is or will be on the football field.
Auburn will be just fine, don't forget that y'all are 2-8 the last decade against Auburn. You may have won this year but next year you will be playing a totally different team. I wouldn't be counting your next iron bowl wins just yet. Who's gonna be Bamas QB? Just curious, I'm not saying they will be in trouble but they do need to find someone. Remember Utah didn't care how many 5* players you had. Bama simply got outcoached and outplayed by a bunch of 2* and you know it. VT isn't gonna care how many 5*'s you have either so get ready!
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Originally posted by Small talker:
Auburn will be just fine, don't forget that y'all are 2-8 the last decade against Auburn. You may have won this year but next year you will be playing a totally different team. I wouldn't be counting your next iron bowl wins just yet. Who's gonna be Bamas QB? Just curious, I'm not saying they will be in trouble but they do need to find someone. Remember Utah didn't care how many 5* players you had. Bama simply got outcoached and outplayed by a bunch of 2* and you know it. VT isn't gonna care how many 5*'s you have either so get ready!


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I didn't know Peter Rielly was such an expert in recruiting. I think Rivals and Scout should just forget rating High School kids, as they have been doing for years and years, and just ask Old Peter who is the best. He seems to know everything about the subject. I also didn't know speed was all you had to measure when recruiting.
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Originally posted by Rowdymale:
I didn't know Peter Rielly was such an expert in recruiting. I think Rivals and Scout should just forget rating High School kids, as they have been doing for years and years, and just ask Old Peter who is the best. He seems to know everything about the subject. I also didn't know speed was all you had to measure when recruiting.


Haven't you heard? He knows EVERYTHING about college football, and NOBODY else knows anything. From all he writes, he must also be able to see the future as well as rattle off AU and UA stats like Rainman.

Peter always says that college football is not his life, but he seems very, very obssessed with Bama football. This is particularly interesting since he is an Auburn fan. Maybe he tried to play at Bama and was cut or something. Who knows?

Just remember, if you don't agree with Peter, you are WRONG, there is no room for compromise. He is the ultimate authority on all things pertaining to football in Alabama, without question. Roll Eyes
Yep...Auburn will be fine=we hope they can make it too 6-6 and become bowl eligible.
Let's see...firing their OC, HC, losing several key players too the NFL, and recruiting poorly is all part of the master plan to improve the Auburn football program. They were 8-2 against Bama the last ten years, but they felt the need to upgrade the program. The truth is, they saw the handwriting on the wall and thought they better try and keep up, and in their attempt too keep up they messed up. Eeker

Now, back on topic...recruiting is the lifeblood of any college football program. Stars are just a way of ranking the relative quality of players. A receiver that runs a 4.3 forty but drops half the passes thrown too him may be a 2 star. A receiver that runs a 4.5 forty but catches anything near him may be a 5 star. If team A is made up of fifty 5 star players, and team B is made up of fifty 2 star players, does that mean team A will beat team B every time? NO. But it does mean team A will probably beat team B the majority of the time. It's been well documented over the years that higher rated recruiting classes equate too better W-L records. Even me, with my limited football knowledge can understand that.
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like I said, all the Alabama fans better remember the way they are acting now cause it WILL get thrown right back at cha when UT, LSU AND AU rebound from this year. Remember, it goe in cycles and you wont be on top forever. Alabama played way aove themselves last season and you all know it. Its all good though, show us what you got without big Andre. Don't even mention FLUKEr cause he will nothold a candle to big Andre. EVER .
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Originally posted by hayssco:
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recruiting poorly is all part of the master plan to improve the Auburn football program



Yeah, just keep an eye on recruiting, doesn't look like Auburn is going to end up recruiting poorly this year...



Well, maybe I shouldn't have said poorly, just poorer than the majority of the other teams in the SEC. Last time I checked they were 8th out of twelve. While ranking recruiting classes is precarious at best, Urban Meyer and Florida did not win the SEC with a string of 8th rated classes. Of course you gotta do something with 'em once you get 'em. But you gotta get 'em first.
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Originally posted by Small talker:
like I said, all the Alabama fans better remember the way they are acting now cause it WILL get thrown right back at cha when UT, LSU AND AU rebound from this year. Remember, it goe in cycles and you wont be on top forever. Alabama played way aove themselves last season and you all know it. Its all good though, show us what you got without big Andre. Don't even mention FLUKEr cause he will nothold a candle to big Andre. EVER .


Yeah, paybacks a ***** ain't it.

36-0...36-0...36-0
I never said I knew it all, or more than everybody.... just seemingly more than any bammer currently posting on this blog.
First off, to midknight again, this crap that you keep saying that implies that Bama has 20 5* recruits coming and Auburn has to scrape the bottom of the barral for remaining 2* players is idiotic even if I were as hung up on star ratings as you are. As for "hoping for 6-6"... Auburn was as bad as an SEC team can possibly be offensively last year and was just a few points from 10-2 even if they play the same against West Virginia and Alabama which were the only 2 lopsided losses. If the offense makes it to average and Chizik keeps the D rollin the the SEC west is well in reach taking that into consideration, dontcha think? Especially considering we lost very few players from the offense. Ya'll's offensive strengths graduated or went pro....and the D got exposed when that O wasnt clickin. Things have a way of balancing out....it's never as good or as bad as it seems from year to year for any team.
and by the by..... check Notre Dame's recruiting rankings over the last several years then check their season records over that span.... if Bama had nearly a decade of top 5 recruting classes but saban could just pull off 7 wins after that run, would ya'll be happy with that?? Same goes for Miami....almost always in the top 5 but they have to fight scratch and claw to make it to 7 or 8 wins lately... If rivals handed out NC, then Notre Dame and Miami would be 2 of the most dominate teams of the decade instead of 2 of the most disappointing.

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