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Yes, the innocent christians were just here praying and saying only good things about everyone and the atheists ran in kicking and scratching. I don't exactly remember it that way but then again, I'm not a christian. I remember not having a problem with anyone except for cage and buffalo. And that really wasn't a problem because then you could ignore people.

Then there was a thread, or the subject went to why people were atheists. I told my "story". One christian said that meant I worshipped satan, another attacked by saying how I had disappointed,  hurt, and made my parents sad, another said I had chosen to toss away the "gift" to basically "run wild and live a sinful life", "worship myself" and my favorite standard argument, "you never believed in the first place".  I don't remember a one of them saying, "yes, I understand how that happened", or another christian telling them they should not be judging.  Ah, but atheists are supposed to  say "oh yes, I see now, you are so right, it is such a wonderful gift", and go on about their "business" or "get saved".

I've been accused of being here to "convert" people, compared to people that supported hitler, told we have no "souls", which I don't think anyone has really but that's beside the point, it was meant as an insult, and all other assorted evil things. And although I have said intelligence has nothing to do with whether a person believed or didn't believe you still say all atheists call christians stupid for believing. But you know all that anyway b, you've been here. There are some that put themselves forth as gentle loving christians but actually are real "snakes in the grass", and as mean as they come. So of course I don't care what they think or have any respect for them. Then you have people like semi, who tries to see both sides. Someone told me once that the only way all people would ever get along would be if there was no religion and no politics. And you know the chances of that happening.

Thanks, DA.

 

I see that some Christians believe that atheists want to eliminate religion, and for the most part that just isn't true.  They just want to live their own lives as they see fit without religious views thrust upon them, but for some reason that seems to bother believers of many faiths a great deal.  No one took prayer or God from school or said people can't celebrate holidays, but it is a great soundbite to lament that event.  If you live in the south you will see evidence of God in schools all around you since prayers, songs, and Bible verses are sneaked in every chance people get...lol.  I am not saying that their aren't very vocal or obnoxious atheists as well of course....there are those in every group and it is usually because a particular person is that way anyway.

 

But beyond that, if you don't want atheists to stand up and lead an "anti-religion" meeting  or saying over his school lunch, "I'm so glad I'm not Christian" then the religious groups can't have organized verbal prayers or pray aloud over lunch....how is that not fair to both sides?  No one says I can't pray over my lunch and if someone believes that it is propaganda.  Just as I can say whatever I like quietly to myself you can say whatever you like to yourself...fair again.  But that isn't the way it is usually portrayed and I can understand why.  I don't see the point in putting signs up saying Christmas is a lie any more than one saying Atheists are doomed or whatever, either.  I think the key is being reasonable and respecting each others' views, but I realize that many don't see it that way.

 

 

It means absolutely nothing to me if someone is Christian, Atheist, Buddist, yellow, green, or blue. It's all about how you treat others. Christians have kicked me when I've been down, I've seen/heard how they gossip, put down others, make fun of & judge others wrongly, so of course, I will be mistrustful of those. (not all Christians, but the majority of them).

A Christian will say, of course I will fail/sin, I'm not perfect. You may not be perfect but you made that choice to gossip, put dowm, make fun of or to judge.

 

The Atheist I know, personally & on this forum, have never shown me anything but kindness. An Atheist has nothing to prove to anyone, has no desire to impress anyone, what you see is what you get. A Christian will let you know they're a Christian w/o being ask, an Atheist doesn't bother to bring up their non-belief unless it comes up in conversation or I ask. When comparing the two, which would you chose to be around or put your trust in?

 

I've seen both attack the other on this forum. But which one should lead by example?

Matthew 5:16 says a Christian should "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven".

If you consider yourself a Christian, you will never get anywhere if you tell people about Jesus & then act like a jerk. (Bill Gray is a prime example)

 

It hurts my heart to see how Jenn is treated on this forum. Those people that put her down are mostly those that refer to themselve as a Christian. They always say "she call me a name first". No matter if she did or didn't, who should lead by example?

Jenn has been good to me & so has O No, I love them both for they both have a good heart but they are as different as night & day. Is one any better than the other? No, of course not!

 

I have alot of questions, alot of doubts about God & the Bible but if I were to have to chose today to be a Christian or an Atheist according to what I have seem from both, I would have to chose Atheist w/o question.

Frog, I very much enjoy reading your post & views, keep up the good work.

 

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by frog:

I came into it sideways?  What does that mean?  

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Maybe he's asking if you were born Breech?


Lol...no breech, but my dad ran our car up a tree a week before I was born and my mom was in the front seat...my sister said it explains a lot of things

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

It means absolutely nothing to me if someone is Christian, Atheist, Buddist, yellow, green, or blue. It's all about how you treat others. Christians have kicked me when I've been down, I've seen/heard how they gossip, put down others, make fun of & judge others wrongly, so of course, I will be mistrustful of those. (not all Christians, but the majority of them).

A Christian will say, of course I will fail/sin, I'm not perfect. You may not be perfect but you made that choice to gossip, put dowm, make fun of or to judge.

 

The Atheist I know, personally & on this forum, have never shown me anything but kindness. An Atheist has nothing to prove to anyone, has no desire to impress anyone, what you see is what you get. A Christian will let you know they're a Christian w/o being ask, an Atheist doesn't bother to bring up their non-belief unless it comes up in conversation or I ask. When comparing the two, which would you chose to be around or put your trust in?

 

I've seen both attack the other on this forum. But which one should lead by example?

Matthew 5:16 says a Christian should "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven".

If you consider yourself a Christian, you will never get anywhere if you tell people about Jesus & then act like a jerk. (Bill Gray is a prime example)

 

It hurts my heart to see how Jenn is treated on this forum. Those people that put her down are mostly those that refer to themselve as a Christian. They always say "she call me a name first". No matter if she did or didn't, who should lead by example?

Jenn has been good to me & so has O No, I love them both for they both have a good heart but they are as different as night & day. Is one any better than the other? No, of course not!

 

I have alot of questions, alot of doubts about God & the Bible but if I were to have to chose today to be a Christian or an Atheist according to what I have seem from both, I would have to chose Atheist w/o question.

Frog, I very much enjoy reading your post & views, keep up the good work.

 

 


Your first sentence is very much how I feel...yep

 

I find the second blue section to be true many times, especially in the south.  In other parts of the country I have never even been asked where I went to church, but in this area people will ask you that before they say hello and it has always felt intrusive to me.  I wouldn't dream of asking someone a personal question that way...but that is me.  Also, if you don't answer how they like you often get "the look" and they aren't interested in being friends sometimes.  Of course not all of any group are like that, but I have found it here and the idea that it is fine to go to strangers' homes and lie to them about your intentions to "witness" or "save" people to get in or start a conversation.  I don't get why lying is a sin but it is okay with some to lie to someone to "save" them or get them to come to a particular church 

 

My kids have people ask them at school often where they go and grill them on their beliefs despite my kids simply saying they believe how they do and respect how others believe, and some have said they will be friends with them "even if you don't believe right" while some try to get them to see the "right" way.  Guess we don't have to look far to find out how parents teach their kids about tolerance and respect if they are teaching kids to treat others this way...sigh.  

 

But really it depends on the person for me, since you find a range of personalities and abilities to respect boundaries in any group.

Originally Posted by frog:

You last comment is typical of the issue.  So I guess you are telling me that if I want peace I need to go read the Bible?  I assume you didn't mean another book?  Well, you have no idea other than a couple of times my kids were arguing as all kids do if I need peace in my life, and if I want to find peace I would read a book that didn't have so much violence in it...lol.  My life is generally very peaceful, thanks, and I read lots of books, but thanks for the suggestion.

Actually, you are wrong. I don't use just the Bible and when I said go read a book, I meant go read a book. Any book. From anything. If I wanted you to read a particular book, I would have said so. You could try Atlas Shrugged or The Little Pigs, I don't care.


But you know all that anyway b, you've been here.


I have and as you know, I have also been condemed to Hell. Since I don't follow the rules set forth by the fundamentalist and have a New Age approach, I'm toast, literally. LOL Bill has verified it and Semi confirmed it.

I am tired of pulling my punches, so to speak, since the 'atheist' get a pass when calling religious folks delusional and irrational, passing it off as their opinion.

So when I give my opinion, I'm snarky and mean spirited.


Can't have it both ways.


So if we are all going to give honest opinions, then we all get to without condemnation from the other group.

Fair?



Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by frog:

You last comment is typical of the issue.  So I guess you are telling me that if I want peace I need to go read the Bible?  I assume you didn't mean another book?  Well, you have no idea other than a couple of times my kids were arguing as all kids do if I need peace in my life, and if I want to find peace I would read a book that didn't have so much violence in it...lol.  My life is generally very peaceful, thanks, and I read lots of books, but thanks for the suggestion.

Actually, you are wrong. I don't use just the Bible and when I said go read a book, I meant go read a book. Any book. From anything. If I wanted you to read a particular book, I would have said so. You could try Atlas Shrugged or The Little Pigs, I don't care.



Okay then, I did assume and shouldn't have.  I am reading some really interesting ones right now, so that would be a nice thing to do.  But really my life is pretty peaceful anyway...guess that reading is helping me

Originally Posted by b50m:
I have and as you know, I have also been condemed to Hell. Since I don't follow the rules set forth by the fundamentalist and have a New Age approach, I'm toast, literally. Bill has verified it and Semi confirmed it.

I am tired of pulling my punches, so to speak, since the 'atheist' get a pass when calling religious folks delusional and irrational, passing it off as their opinion.

So when I give my opinion, I'm snarky and mean spirited.

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Semi hasn’t confirmed anything. You’re pulling a Bill & putting words in my mouth. You said you were not a Christian, that you follow God but without a particular flavor.

I said ACCORDING to the Bible, (if it is to be believed) not me, that if you repent of your sins (feel regret or remorse for them) & receive Jesus Christ into your life as Lord and Savior, you will be saved from eternal punishment in Hell.

I then asked 2 questions of which you didn’t bother to answer, which were, if a person does those things, are they not then a Christian? BUT you say you’re not a Christian, so will you go to Hell when you die?

I then suggested you look it up if you didn’t believe me. It’s not my words but what the Bible says. It would be the Bible that confirmed if you were going to Hell or not, not me.

I don’t understand how anyone can go to Heaven (if it exist) just by “following God”, but not be a Christian. There’s much more to it. Any Christian here could tell you the same thing if they cared to.

 

I've never thought of you as being mean spirited but your post have started to have that kind of tone to them, especially if someone doesn't agree with you or questions you.

It's not my intention to offend you but when I give my opinion, you will find I don't sugarcoat it.

 

Originally Posted by b50m:


I have and as you know, I have also been condemed to Hell. Since I don't follow the rules set forth by the fundamentalist and have a New Age approach, I'm toast, literally. LOL Bill has verified it and Semi confirmed it.




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And I'm pretty sure I punched your ticket.  So it is confirmed.  Enjoy the ride.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by b50m:


I have and as you know, I have also been condemed to Hell. Since I don't follow the rules set forth by the fundamentalist and have a New Age approach, I'm toast, literally. LOL Bill has verified it and Semi confirmed it.




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And I'm pretty sure I punched your ticket.  So it is confirmed.  Enjoy the ride.

I will, should have lots of company.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well b, I look at it like this, couldn't be much of a heaven if bill and a few others are going to be there.

Now there is the problem. Bill assumes he is going to heaven. He has convinced himself that he is. I don't really think making that decision for yourself is what someone should do.

 

Maybe it will have different rooms. Baptists in one, Methodists in another, Jews in another, etc...so that they never know the OTHER ones are there.

 

There will be wine and chocolate in the New Age room.

 

LOL

I said ACCORDING to the Bible,

 

Yes, you did Semi, and then said I was not a Christian. So while you want to get offended for whatever reason, I am only saying that you confirmed what Bill put forth. I am not accusing you of anything or being angry with you. You said that my beliefs don't make a Christian. I agree. Ero, I'm not a Christian.

And never said I was.

 

At least not the way that Christian is defined on this forum.

 

I then asked 2 questions of which you didn’t bother to answer, which were, if a person does those things, are they not then a Christian? BUT you say you’re not a Christian, so will you go to Hell when you die?

 

First, you stated a lot more was needed than just repenting and accepting Christ.

Second, only God knows if i will go to Heaven or Hell. Not my call.

Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well b, I look at it like this, couldn't be much of a heaven if bill and a few others are going to be there.

Now there is the problem. Bill assumes he is going to heaven. He has convinced himself that he is. I don't really think making that decision for yourself is what someone should do.

 

Maybe it will have different rooms. Baptists in one, Methodists in another, Jews in another, etc...so that they never know the OTHER ones are there.

 

There will be wine and chocolate in the New Age room.

 

LOL

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I agree b, and some people may forget, You can forgive yourself,

but you can't forgive your own sins.

 

Originally Posted by b50m:

I said ACCORDING to the Bible,

Yes, you did Semi, and then said I was not a Christian. You said that my beliefs don't make a Christian. I agree. Ero, I'm not a Christian.

And never said I was.

At least not the way that Christian is defined on this forum.

 

I then asked 2 questions of which you didn’t bother to answer, which were, if a person does those things, are they not then a Christian? BUT you say you’re not a Christian, so will you go to Hell when you die?

First, you stated a lot more was needed than just repenting and accepting Christ.

Second, only God knows if i will go to Heaven or Hell. Not my call.

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You have understood nothing of what I said. You said yourself you weren't a Christian, I only repeated what you said.

I would love to hear what your definition of a Christian is, I might learn something.

 

It was not my opinion that more was needed than just repenting and accepting Christ, I was repeating what the Bible says. Again, according to the Bible, if you walk that fine line, a person can convince themselves they're going to Heaven. Others will tell you that a person can know for a fact. I don't see a Christian willing to step forward & agree or disagree with what the Bible says.

 

I'm amazed that the Christians on this forum will get on here & slam the Atheist, but not one will confirm what I have said to you about what the Bible says about being a Christian.

I don't even know why I bother. I guess that's the heathen coming out in me.

I have said it over and over Semi. You just keep shifting the conversation.

So far you have said to me:

[semiannualchick]  


 A Christian is to “take up your cross and follow him” (Luke 9:23). One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus, & is a fully devoted follower of Jesus. You may believe all that is coverd under the 10 Commandments & the Golden Rule but I think it involves much more than that.


Following your best instincts, trying not to break any commandments, & trying to be good to others doesn’t make a Christian. I know many people that follow those same rules but they are by no means a Christian. I would love to hear what you believe a Christian to be.

I believe a Christian is one who professes belief in Jesus as Christ, truly follows His teachings & lives humbly before Him. I know many people that say they believe in Jesus, & call themselves a Christian but they go no further than that.
James 1:26  says that “If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless”.

 

Now for someone who knows all the exact rules, why do you keep asking me?

I don't know why you think I am arguing with you. I said, I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN, over and over and yet you want to make it into something about you. You always agree with the atheists and see nothing they say as derogatory or hateful. You see everything from the religious side as hateful.

Why are you so anxious for Christians to say the Bible is evil? Do you want it to be? Do you want every one to go to Hell because no one meets your definition of a good Christian?

 

I already have said that no one knows if they go to Heaven. Those that claim they do are just making themselves feel better. I may go to Heaven, I may go to Hell, I may end up in a 7/11 for eternity.

 

I don't know why you want to argue over this, you picked the least religious pseudo Christian/ non-Christian  on here to pick a fight with. You want to argue over what makes a good Christian, argue with one.

Originally Posted by b50m:

I have said it over and over Semi. You just keep shifting the conversation.

So far you have said to me:

[semiannualchick] 
 A Christian is to “take up your cross and follow him” (Luke 9:23). One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus, & is a fully devoted follower of Jesus. You may believe all that is coverd under the 10 Commandments & the Golden Rule but I think it involves much more than that.
Following your best instincts, trying not to break any commandments, & trying to be good to others doesn’t make a Christian. I know many people that follow those same rules but they are by no means a Christian. I would love to hear what you believe a Christian to be.
I believe a Christian is one who professes belief in Jesus as Christ, truly follows His teachings & lives humbly before Him. I know many people that say they believe in Jesus, & call themselves a Christian but they go no further than that.
James 1:26  says that “If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless”.

Now for someone who knows all the exact rules, why do you keep asking me?

I don't know why you think I am arguing with you. I said, I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN, over and over and yet you want to make it into something about you. You always agree with the atheists and see nothing they say as derogatory or hateful. You see everything from the religious side as hateful.

Why are you so anxious for Christians to say the Bible is evil? Do you want it to be? Do you want every one to go to Hell because no one meets your definition of a good Christian?

I already have said that no one knows if they go to Heaven. Those that claim they do are just making themselves feel better. I may go to Heaven, I may go to Hell, I may end up in a 7/11 for eternity.

I don't know why you want to argue over this, you picked the least religious pseudo Christian/ non-Christian  on here to pick a fight with. You want to argue over what makes a good Christian, argue with one.

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b, those exact rules are laid out in the Bible, not by me. You could ask 10 Christians what those rules mean, how we’re supposed to live by them & you would get 10 different answers. If I knew the exact way to live those rules, I wouldn’t be where I am now.

 

I keep asking you because you have said you’re not a Christian BUT you believe the Bible is divinely inspired. That you don't like people insulting it. I remember a post you wrote that you believed in Christ, that you believed He is part of God & God is part of Him. You said you believed your soul can be saved by doing what God wishes by following the 10 Commandments, actually you said about 16, depending on how you break them up, the Golden rule & common sense. I’m just confused how you can believe those things but say you’re not a Christian. Can a person go to Heaven believing those things but not be a Christian?

I don’t think you’re trying to ague with me, nor I with you & this is certainly not about me. I’m honestly trying to learn something here.

 

I do not always agree with the Atheist. I have said many times that I can’t quite wrap my mind around the fact that we came to be by a big bang or came from monkeys. They have never put me down or ridiculed me because I said that. I have never said they haven't said anything derogatory or hateful. I have said it comes from both Atheist & Christians.

I have said I have been treated more kindly from Atheist than Christians. O No & Vplee have been the only Christians that I can think of right off that have treated me kindly. I have not had one harsh word from an Atheist.

 

I haven’t said that I’m anxious for Christians to say the Bible is evil. I don’t need anyone to tell me it is. I have read it, I know what it says. Figuring it out & knowing what it all means is the hard part. Why would I want someone to tell me the Bible is evil? Why would I want every one to go to Hell because no one met my definition of a good Christian? Exactly what is my definition of a good Christian?

Just because I said my experience hasn’t good with most of them doesn’t mean they’re all bad.

 

According to the Bible, a person can know they’re going to Heaven but it takes a lot of hard work & my guess, would make for a miserable human being. I can definitely say that IF Hell exist, I’m going there. Simply because, if the Bible is true, I’m not doing what it tells me to do.

 

Again, I am not arguing with you, just trying to understand. BTW, if all my questions suggest that I’m being an azz, I’m sorry to come across that way. It’s not my intention.

As far as what you put in blue print. The scripture I quoted came from the Bible, not from me.

The rest is my opinion, IF I believed the Bible to be true.  I honestly do not know what the Hell to believe!!

 

 

 

You want the short answer?Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as their savior is a Christian.

 

Now the problem becomes, all the judging of how that person should live or act or present themselves.

I would guess that 99% of all comments on this forum are judgement comments. Everyone wants to decide what the other person is worth. Accepting that some people have no faith is easy for me, accepting that people can have faith and are not crazy because they do is hard for atheists.

 

Now when we get to throw in the paranormal/non-theist religion  into the mix, then we really have trouble defining sides.

 

I have said I am not a Christian because of the way it is defined by the religious people on here. I believe in Jesus and God but I don't think the OT is accurate and I  follow the Four Gospels for guidance. I'm not even sure about Revelation since there was quite an  argument about including it. I don't know if it was divinely inspired or not. There may not even be a Hell. So since I pick and choose as it were, that leaves me out of the Christian rule. I don't care what others think about my existence and whether I go to Hell or not.

 

As for putting yourself down, there is no point to doing that. If you feel you are not following the scriptures correctly and it bothers you , then ask someone in a church, not a forum. If you think that God doesn't answer prayers, then maybe there is no God. You have the option of believing He doesn't exist or He said no to your prayer, which the 'no' may be because of something we don't know about at the time that God sees in the future that we do not. 

 

Now from the atheist view, things are much simpler. If someone dies, then they die.(other than the recycled view) No one to blame it on or to pray to for it not to happen. It just happens. It's natural. No intervening omnipotent being to contend with. There is no asking of 'why' or 'how' or 'it's not fair' or 'good or evil'.

I would think that atheists don't visit burial sites since  to them there is no spirit left of the person. Once the body dies, that's it. Why put flowers over worm food?

 

Anyway, that's my long version.

 

I doubt that helps to explain my view point any better, but that's the best I can do.

 

Now from the atheist view, things are much simpler. If someone dies, then they die.(other than the recycled view) No one to blame it on or to pray to for it not to happen. It just happens. It's natural. No intervening omnipotent being to contend with. There is no asking of 'why' or 'how' or 'it's not fair' or 'good or evil'.

I would think that atheists don't visit burial sites since to them there is no spirit left of the person. Once the body dies, that's it. Why put flowers over worm food?

 

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 It's called life and death. You live, then you die. There is no point in asking why or how unless the person died under mysterious circumstances. If natural causes then of course that is the how and why because humans die. Of course we can say it's not fair but all we're saying is that is the way life is, it's not fair and it doesn't care who you are. Good or evil? Well it is never "good" to lose a loved one, but I don't know how evil would enter into it unless someone evil or bad caused the death. As far as visiting their gravesites, that is a place that stirs up memories just like other places. That's where their body ended up unless they were cremated and had their ashes scattered. The bond is still there but it has nothing to do with a soul or spirit, it's that bond of love that never leaves. Now you may consider your loved ones no more than "worm food" but I prefer to think of mine as they were when they were alive and even in death they're still important to me. Why do christians visit burial sites if they think the soul has left the body and winged off to a heaven? Why do they put flowers on graves?

b, thank you for explaining to me the way you see it. That’s all I was asking for.

If you are saved & a follower of Christ, you shouldn’t care how people on this forum or anywhere else judge you.  Jesus said if you deny me before men, then I will deny you before my Father in heaven. It would seem to me that you are denying Him by saying you are not a Christian, but that’s only my opinion.

 

Following the 4 gospels is fine but it’s not all the Bible is made up of.  I don’t think we should pick or chose which to follow, & expect God to be pleased with that.

 

My judging Christians is what I’ve seen & things been said to me by those Christians. Bill Gray is one that would make you want to turn tail & run from any kind of Christianity. Most Christian’s aren’t like Bill.

 

I have no desire to decide what another person’s worth is. If I know someone that is cheating on his/her spouse, but calling him or herself a Christian & in church every time the door is open, I can easily see that person’s worth.

 

You say you’re not sure about Revelation & that there may not even be a Hell. There’s several scriptures in the NT that refers to Hell. I don't know if Revelation’s was divinely inspired or not either, but then I’m not sure if any of the Bible is true.

 

I don’t see that I put myself down in any way. I have no desire to follow scriptures that I’m not sure of. I have no desire to ask anyone in any church for any kind of advice. The reason I ask here is because of the many different opinions being right at hand. Someone may say something that inspires me to ask a question. Someone may say something that I’ve never thought of before.

 

If I have a question that I want to ask someone that knows the Word & that I know personally & trust, my husband is the one I go to. 

 

Every time I mention on this forum that God doesn’t answer prayers, I always get “it wasn’t His will” or “He did answer it, just not the way you wanted”. That’s not what the Bible says. Jesus said “Ask & it will be given”.

 

I don’t know if Atheist visit grave sites or not. I don't know why they wouldn't. They're no different than you or I. No matter how they believe, that grave is the place of a loved one. Placing flowers on a grave is a sign of respect & love for a loved one that is no longer with us.

I’m not a Christian or an Atheist but I put flowers “over worm food” as you so graciously called it. I prefer to call it the resting place of someone that I love.

This has been interesting, b, thank you for answering my questions.

 

 

 

 

I saw an atheist use the term 'worm food' when i was looking up atheists and reincarnation.

 

You didn't answer whether you want to believe in a God that you can put blame on or give praise to or whether you want to believe that the whole idea of God is a myth.

 

Since you have already decided that your prayers were supposed to be answered and were not, then:  God does not exist, The Bible Lied, He answered No,  or He had other ideas.

 

Since you don't want to talk to someone who has training in theology and Christianity, I guess you could always roll a dice.

 

As for flowers, no, I don't put them on graves in my family. And since that is  the state mandated resting place for the body, I don't go visit either.

 

As for denying Christ, I am denying the idiotic version of him used in the forum. He and I are quite friendly.

 

But then I don't follow rules very well.

Originally Posted by b50m:

I saw an atheist use the term 'worm food' when i was looking up atheists and reincarnation.

 

You didn't answer whether you want to believe in a God that you can put blame on or give praise to or whether you want to believe that the whole idea of God is a myth.

 

Since you have already decided that your prayers were supposed to be answered and were not, then:  God does not exist, The Bible Lied, He answered No,  or He had other ideas.

 

Since you don't want to talk to someone who has training in theology and Christianity, I guess you could always roll a dice.

 

As for flowers, no, I don't put them on graves in my family. And since that is  the state mandated resting place for the body, I don't go visit either.

 

As for denying Christ, I am denying the idiotic version of him used in the forum. He and I are quite friendly.

 

But then I don't follow rules very well.


I would gladly visit graves and have had some pretty healing conversations at them, actually, but I am also aware the person's energy that made them that individual has moved on.  I am glad our bodies go back to the earth, but I think a reference point is a nice thing, and the grave or places the person liked to be can be good places for conversations/healing for various other reasons as well.

 

I tend not to ask people who are trained as religious leaders for answers to rhetorical questions since that gives me their opinion and not fact necessarily, and I do enjoy reading opinions from various people who have had different experiences than I have.  I get more from that then from a preacher or Bible scholar personally.

I saw an atheist use the term 'worm food' when i was looking up atheists and reincarnation.

 

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 I would imagine many christians have used that phrase too but imo that doesn't make it any nicer, and not to sound all tough and stuff but if anyone, atheist, christian, whatever, called my dead relatives that to my face I'd slap them.  I've heard self proclaimed christians call homosexuals f a g s and other things. So again, if it is an acceptable term to use for your dead loved ones so be it. I don't think it is for mine.

Hi B50,

You write, "As for denying Christ, I am denying the idiotic version of him used in the forum.  He and I are quite friendly.   But then I don't follow rules very well."

On the Religion Forum, I have often written that Jesus Christ is the preexisting Son of God, second Person of the Trinity -- and that by His own words, "No one comes to the Father, but through Me"  (John 3:16, John 14:6).  This tells me that He is the ONLY WAY to God and to heaven (John 14:6).

Is this the "the idiotic version of him used in the forum" to which you are referring?

B, in your own words -- just who is Jesus Christ to you?

You tell us, "But then I don't follow rules very well."

Do you follow His rules?   If yes, then you are a Christian believer.  If no, then how can you say, "He and I are quite friendly"?

B, you cannot have it both ways.  Either you are a believer and His Friend, having His personal promise of eternal life -- or you are not a believer, not His Friend, and do not have His personal promise of eternal life.

However, by the grace of God, through faith in Christ -- everyone can believe, receive, and call Him their personal Friend (Revelation 3:20).

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Originally Posted by frog:

places the person liked to be can be good places for conversations/healing for various other reasons as well.


I do that one. The grave is not where most people want to be so when I think of someone I use their favorite place or just a picture.




Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I saw an atheist use the term 'worm food' when i was looking up atheists and reincarnation.

 

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 I would imagine many christians have used that phrase too but imo that doesn't make it any nicer, and not to sound all tough and stuff but if anyone, atheist, christian, whatever, called my dead relatives that to my face I'd slap them.  I've heard self proclaimed christians call homosexuals f a g s and other things. So again, if it is an acceptable term to use for your dead loved ones so be it. I don't think it is for mine.

LOL, I thought it was unique. And it does show that atheists are all different in their beliefs just like religious folks. Seems we will have to specify what type of atheism someone practices in discussions from now on.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

On the Religion Forum, I have often written that Jesus Christ is the preexisting Son of God, second Person of the Trinity -- and that by His own words, "No one comes to the Father, but through Me"  (John 3:16, John 14:6).  This tells me that He is the ONLY WAY to God and to heaven (John 14:6).

Is this the "the idiotic version of him used in the forum" to which you are referring?

B, in your own words -- just who is Jesus Christ to you?



Bill

Bill,

There are more people on this forum than you. I don't read your stuff anymore because it is usually waaay too long and you constantly repeat yourself. I believe Jesus is the son of God and my Savior. I have already outlined this quite well. See the post on this page. I see no reason to repeat.

LOL, I thought it was unique. And it does show that atheists are all different in their beliefs just like religious folks. Seems we will have to specify what type of atheism someone practices in discussions from now on.

 

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Unique? Well I can only speak of my kind of atheism, and I don't know how it is considered to be "practiced".

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