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Quite simple really. These questions will need to be answered from now on by 'atheists'.

 

Are you considered someone with  strong atheist beliefs or weak beliefs?

Do you practice any rituals or attend any group meetings?

Do you allow the belief of an afterlife or not?

Do you believe in the paranormal or not?

As long as no 'GOD" is involved, do you have any problem with religion?

 

And they should be able to give the number that matches their belief from Dawkins list.

 

Dawkins posits that "the existence of God is a scientific hypothesis like any other." He goes on to propose a continuous "spectrum of probabilities" between two extremes of opposite certainty, which can be represented by seven "milestones". Dawkins suggests definitive statements to summarize one's place along the spectrum of theistic probability. These "milestones" are:[2]

  1. Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
  2. De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
  3. Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
  4. Completely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable."
  5. Leaning towards atheism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
  6. De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
  7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."

Dawkins argues that while there appear to be plenty of individuals that would place themselves as "1", no thinking atheist would consider themselves "7", as atheism arises from a lack of evidence and evidence can always change a thinking person's mind.

 

LOL

I have never heard a believer say what b50m is saying. I am as confused by that as she seems to be by jimi saying he believes in reincarnation.

 

If you don't believe in the bible, then what do you base your belief on? Seems to me you have to have something, right? As far as I know there is no other official references or information on Jesus Christ other than the bible. If you feel that some of it is true and some of it is not then how do you truly know which is which?

 

I know you said you believed in the gospels, but that is just a small part of the bible so why decide to only believe that part and throw out the rest? If you do dismiss the rest then how do you decide what part to dismiss?

 

Maybe those last two paragraphs are redundant.

Originally Posted by b50m:

 

Quite simple really. These questions will need to be answered from now on by 'atheists'.

 

Are you considered someone with  strong atheist beliefs or weak beliefs?

Do you practice any rituals or attend any group meetings?

Do you allow the belief of an afterlife or not?

Do you believe in the paranormal or not?

As long as no 'GOD" is involved, do you have any problem with religion?

 

And they should be able to give the number that matches their belief from Dawkins list.

 

 6.De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.

 

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I don't know what atheist beliefs I have. I have a disbelief in gods. Not sure whether that would be strong or weak.

 

No, and Yes

No

No

Yes

 

I would be number six.

 

Quite simple really. These questions will need to be answered from now on by 'atheists'.

 

Are you considered someone with strong atheist beliefs or weak beliefs?

Depends on what you consider "atheist beliefs".

 

Do you practice any rituals or attend any group meetings?

 

Rituals pertaining to what? Atheism? No.

 

 

Do you allow the belief of an afterlife or not?

 

I don't "allow" or "disallow" a belief in an afterlife. I just don't believe in it.

 

Do you believe in the paranormal or not?

 

No. I do think strange or odd things happen but believe they have a natural explanation, and many have been explained as our knowledge of how things work goes forward.

 

As long as no 'GOD" is involved, do you have any problem with religion?

 

IMO religions are based on gods, but I guess it would depend on the "religion" whether or not I had a problem with it.  If some worshipped rocks and never bothered anyone about or with that belief, never wanted it as the rule of the country, didn't want it taught in schools, didn't use it to avoid paying taxes, didn't harm people or animals in rituals or because of it etc, it wouldn't bother me.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by b50m:

I saw an atheist use the term 'worm food' when i was looking up atheists and reincarnation.

 

You didn't answer whether you want to believe in a God that you can put blame on or give praise to or whether you want to believe that the whole idea of God is a myth.

 

Since you have already decided that your prayers were supposed to be answered and were not, then:  God does not exist, The Bible Lied, He answered No,  or He had other ideas.

 

Since you don't want to talk to someone who has training in theology and Christianity, I guess you could always roll a dice.

 

As for denying Christ, I am denying the idiotic version of him used in the forum. He and I are quite friendly.

 

But then I don't follow rules very well.

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So you believe or repeat everything you read about atheists & reincarnation?

I want to know the truth. Blame, praise, or myth doesn't enter into it, I just want to know what is real & true. As I said, there is a scripure where Jesus Himself said "Ask and ye shall receive". I want to know why people didn't receive when they have asked. 

I didn't "just decide" that my prayers weren't answered. When I asked & didn't receive, there was no deciding. It was there in front of me.

I don't roll a dice, (except when I go to Tunica). I have every faith in my husband to give me his opinion to what the Bible says. Do you believe that everyone that has training in theology & Christianity is going to believe the same way? Of course not. If I went to 5 of them, they would all have a different answer for any question I ask.

As far as your saying you deny the idiotic version of God as He's used in this forum, that's a cop out. Deny is deny no matter why you deny Him. 

I have honestly thought you were an Atheist because of some of the things you have said in the past. 

I don't follow rules very well either. Not unless someone can prove to me that I should.

 

 

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

I have never heard a believer say what b50m is saying.  

If you don't believe in the bible, then what do you base your belief on? Seems to me you have to have something, right? As far as I know there is no other official references or information on Jesus Christ other than the bible. If you feel that some of it is true and some of it is not then how do you truly know which is which? 

I know you said you believed in the gospels, but that is just a small part of the bible so why decide to only believe that part and throw out the rest? If you do dismiss the rest then how do you decide what part to dismiss? 

Maybe those last two paragraphs are redundant.

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Ditto!!

b thinks I'm picking on her & just wanting to argue. I'm not, it's just that I'm confused by what's she's saying. I've never heard a believer say those things either, & pick certain parts of the Bible to believe & live by. In my opinion, that's just as bad as someone that doesn't believe at all.  

 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

I have never heard a believer say what b50m is saying.  

If you don't believe in the bible, then what do you base your belief on? Seems to me you have to have something, right? As far as I know there is no other official references or information on Jesus Christ other than the bible. If you feel that some of it is true and some of it is not then how do you truly know which is which? 

I know you said you believed in the gospels, but that is just a small part of the bible so why decide to only believe that part and throw out the rest? If you do dismiss the rest then how do you decide what part to dismiss? 

Maybe those last two paragraphs are redundant.

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Ditto!!

b thinks I'm picking on her & just wanting to argue. I'm not, it's just that I'm confused by what's she's saying. I've never heard a believer say those things either, & pick certain parts of the Bible to believe & live by. In my opinion, that's just as bad as someone that doesn't believe at all.  

 

I have said it many times already. I believe in what Jesus said. I believe God is real and Jesus is his son. The OT was written for the Jews. I also believe there are other references on religion to use besides the Bible. I never heard of an atheist believing in reincarnation before, so anything is possible.


. In my opinion, that's just as bad as someone that doesn't believe at all. 


LOL, now that is funny.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

I have never heard a believer say what b50m is saying.  

If you don't believe in the bible, then what do you base your belief on? Seems to me you have to have something, right? As far as I know there is no other official references or information on Jesus Christ other than the bible. If you feel that some of it is true and some of it is not then how do you truly know which is which? 

I know you said you believed in the gospels, but that is just a small part of the bible so why decide to only believe that part and throw out the rest? If you do dismiss the rest then how do you decide what part to dismiss? 

Maybe those last two paragraphs are redundant.

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Ditto!!

b thinks I'm picking on her & just wanting to argue. I'm not, it's just that I'm confused by what's she's saying. I've never heard a believer say those things either, & pick certain parts of the Bible to believe & live by. In my opinion, that's just as bad as someone that doesn't believe at all.  


Why is it bad to be someone who doesn't believe at all?  

Originally Posted by b50m:
 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

I have never heard a believer say what b50m is saying.  

If you don't believe in the bible, then what do you base your belief on? Seems to me you have to have something, right? As far as I know there is no other official references or information on Jesus Christ other than the bible. If you feel that some of it is true and some of it is not then how do you truly know which is which? 

I know you said you believed in the gospels, but that is just a small part of the bible so why decide to only believe that part and throw out the rest? If you do dismiss the rest then how do you decide what part to dismiss? 

Maybe those last two paragraphs are redundant.

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Ditto!!

b thinks I'm picking on her & just wanting to argue. I'm not, it's just that I'm confused by what's she's saying. I've never heard a believer say those things either, & pick certain parts of the Bible to believe & live by. In my opinion, that's just as bad as someone that doesn't believe at all.  

 

I have said it many times already. I believe in what Jesus said. I believe God is real and Jesus is his son. The OT was written for the Jews. I also believe there are other references on religion to use besides the Bible. I never heard of an atheist believing in reincarnation before, so anything is possible.


. In my opinion, that's just as bad as someone that doesn't believe at all. 


LOL, now that is funny.

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Wait a minute, just  a few post back, the one that prompted my post of curiosity, you said the OT was not accurate. In this post you say it was written for the Jews. You said you were unsure about Revelations, but used it to prove your point in another thread of why you believe the tribes of Isreal are the chosen people.

 

How do you believe in Jesus Christ and that he is the son of God if you are so unsure and confused about the only book that is supposed to tell the whole story and truth about Christianity? Don't get me wrong, I don't "judge" you at all, I am just trying to understand where you get your faith from.

It's both. The OT was written just for the Jews and i don't think the scriptures are an accurate history of the beginning of the world. It was tailored to fit the Jewish lifestyle. In my opinion only, of course.

 

In Revelation, the twelve tribes of Israel are mentioned specifically as being saved. I don't know if  that is divinely inspired, I have my doubts, but if it is,  Israels get to go to the front of the line.

 

Jesus life is only told in the Four Gospels.  They are also the ones with the earliest wriiten dates.

 



    Gospel according to Matthew
    Gospel according to Mark
    Gospel according to Luke
    Gospel according to John

    Matthew: c. 50 to 70s
    Mark: c. 50s to early 60s, or late 60s
    Luke: c. 59 to 63, or 70s to 80s
    John: c. 85 to near 100, or 50s to 70

 

I believe these to be divinely inspired. I don't know about the others. But these I am sure of.

 

Now as I said, this is my own viewpoint. It doesn't fit the rules. And it doesn't jive with the mainstream view of Christianity, ergo, that is why I say 'according to the normal viewpoint', I am not a Christian.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
b thinks I'm picking on her & just wanting to argue. I'm not, it's just that I'm confused by what's she's saying. I've never heard a believer say those things either, & pick certain parts of the Bible to believe & live by. In my opinion, that's just as bad as someone that doesn't believe at all.  

Originally Posted by frog:

Why is it bad to be someone who doesn't believe at all?  

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I'm sorry, frog. I chose the wrong word & didn't mean that the way it came across. No one is bad for the way they believe.

b has questioned me for not believing or having doubts in God & the Bible. I only meant that her picking parts of the Bible to believe in was not any different than my having doubts or dis-beliefs about the Bible.

I think if someone believes the Bible, they should believe all of it or not any.

Originally Posted by b50m:

It's both. The OT was written just for the Jews and i don't think the scriptures are an accurate history of the beginning of the world. It was tailored to fit the Jewish lifestyle. In my opinion only, of course.

 

In Revelation, the twelve tribes of Israel are mentioned specifically as being saved. I don't know if  that is divinely inspired, I have my doubts, but if it is,  Israels get to go to the front of the line.

 

Jesus life is only told in the Four Gospels.  They are also the ones with the earliest wriiten dates.

 



    Gospel according to Matthew
    Gospel according to Mark
    Gospel according to Luke
    Gospel according to John

    Matthew: c. 50 to 70s
    Mark: c. 50s to early 60s, or late 60s
    Luke: c. 59 to 63, or 70s to 80s
    John: c. 85 to near 100, or 50s to 70

 

I believe these to be divinely inspired. I don't know about the others. But these I am sure of.

 

Now as I said, this is my own viewpoint. It doesn't fit the rules. And it doesn't jive with the mainstream view of Christianity, ergo, that is why I say 'according to the normal viewpoint', I am not a Christian.

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So you think that the OT was only written for the Jews but that it is more than likely inaccurate. That sucks for the Jews.

 

What do you base your absolute belief that the gospels are divinely inspired on? Dates only?

Originally Posted by b50m:

No, the Jews get a free ride.  Didn't matter that it wasn't accurate.

 

Dates and the fact that they are telling the life of Jesus.

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I have seen studies where it is said that the gospels were written in the 2nd century. There seems to be quite a bit of evidence to support that position. Regardless, no matter how old a document is does not make it more realistic or inspired by a God. The subject does not have any weight either.

 

I am still very confused by your ideas concerning the OT. Since you have no faith in its accuracy how do you know that the Jews get a free ride. Or that they are the chosen people for that matter. Maybe the writers got it wrong. You yourself say it is not accurate. Also, why did you get so upset with everyone for pointing out the horrible and funny stuff in the OT if it is not even reliable in your opinion?

 

 

Whether I believe it is inspired or not,  I can still comment on what I think the writer intended based on the culture and language of the time. You don't believe in any of it yet make comments on it all the time.

 

Regardless, no matter how old a document is does not make it more realistic or inspired by a God. The subject does not have any weight either.



Originally Posted by b50m:

Whether I believe it is inspired or not,  I can still comment on what I think the writer intended based on the culture and language of the time. You don't believe in any of it yet make comments on it all the time.

 

Regardless, no matter how old a document is does not make it more realistic or inspired by a God. The subject does not have any weight either.



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I never said otherwise. I do wonder why you had such a reaction and even said we were making fun of the bible. Yet you don't even think it is accurate yourself. You are right ,I don't believe in any of it, that is why I would never jump in a conversation and start defending it. That would make no sense at all would it?

 

So just to be clear...

You do not think the OT was written for anyone but the Jews.

You do not think it is accurate.

You only believe in the 4 gospels

and you base that belief off the supposed time they were written and the subject matter.

Otherwise the rest of the bible is just a bunch of uninspired, inaccurate writings.

 

Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

Just goes to show you that everyone has their own ideas and beliefs I guess. Seems you and jimi are more a like than not here. Both of you have contradicting ideas and beliefs to what your core beliefs are (or in his case dis-beliefs).

1. yes

2. yes, it is more of a brief summary of the world with a lot of liberty taken.

3. No, I said: I believe these to be divinely inspired. I don't know about the others. But these I am sure of.

I would say I trust the Four Gospels more than the rest of the NT.

4. As stated, I'm not sure about the rest.

 

Since jimi claims to believe in atheism: a fact based, science based, reason based philosophy; and one that involves no science, no reasons, and no facts, I would say we are not alike.

 

My beliefs are not contradictory to Jesus being the son of God.

Originally Posted by b50m:

1. yes

2. yes, it is more of a brief summary of the world with a lot of liberty taken.

3. No, I said: I believe these to be divinely inspired. I don't know about the others. But these I am sure of.

I would say I trust the Four Gospels more than the rest of the NT.

4. As stated, I'm not sure about the rest.

 

Since jimi claims to believe in atheism: a fact based, science based, reason based philosophy; and one that involves no science, no reasons, and no facts, I would say we are not alike.

 

My beliefs are not contradictory to Jesus being the son of God.

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That would be your core belief. His has stayed the same too. To be atheist he is saying he does not believe in a god. Reincarnation does not require a god.

 

You are saying you believe that Jesus is the son of God. Which is Christianity, yet you do not believe that the whole bible is accurate or inspired.

 

You may be right, his is less contradictory than yours.

Hey! Let's all psychoanalyze B. And when we get done, we can put her on the table and disect her.

 

So, B believes in Christ, the Son of God.

B believes the OT was written as a guide for the Jews.

 

So far, that isn't any different from what I, an avowed Christian believes.

 

She's not sure about the rest of the Bible. OK, there are a lot of us who disagree on what a particular verse means. There are a lot of Christians such as myself, who believe that the earth is a lot more than 6,000 years old. A lot of Christians disagree with me there. As anyone who has been around for any length of time knows, Christians can disagree about a lot of things, but as long as they share that one belief, the belief in Christ, that is ALL that matters.

 

If one believes in Christ, I think they are a Christian, and no matter whether another PERSON thinks they are NOT, it is not up to PERSONS to judge.

O No, what are you going on about now?

 

I was not disecting b50m. I was asking questions and clarifying what her beliefs are. We are in a religion forum. Seems to be the topic at hand.

 

I never said b was not a Christian,, she did. I could care less what she calls herself. I believe that if you think Jesus is the son of God then you would be classified as a Christian, but she says otherwise, so I was just trying to understand her point of view. Also if she does not believe that the bible is accurate I am still wondering how she came to such a solid belief in Jesus to begin with. Of course she does not have to answer if she does not want to. Its a free country and all that stuff ya know.

 

"B believes the OT was written as a guide for the Jews."

 

You left out "and inaccurate"

 

LOL, this is getting fun ONO.

 

First I came on here and said Christian, no flavor.

 

Then when prodded I said, follow the Ten commandments, the Golden rule and live as good of a life as I can.

 

That was met with, you are not a Christian.

 

So, I said OK, I'm not a Christian.

 

Then when I gave a more detailed view of MY PERSONAL BELIEFS, I got ; You are denying God and Jesus, by saying you are not a Christian, you will be go to hell. You are a Christian in denial.

 

Then semi came up with:

In my opinion, that's just as bad as someone that doesn't believe at all. 


Which she has now clarified.

 


Then Dark says that jimi mixing atheism with reincarnation makes more sense. Riiight.

 

 

 

So, I will believe how I want to and all of you can psychoanalyze all you want to.

 

I would say that the lines of theism and atheism just got erased.

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I would say that the lines of theism and atheism just got erased.

 

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Based on what?

Based on atheists who believe in the paranormal. The whole reason atheists are against religion is the supernatural, irrational, illogical, components correct?

Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I would say that the lines of theism and atheism just got erased.

 

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Based on what?

Based on atheists who believe in the paranormal. The whole reason atheists are against religion is the supernatural, irrational, illogical, components correct?


I can't speak for everyone, but it gets annoying sometimes when people assume that not believing in God or gods means a person can't believe in anything else based on research or personal experience.  My own experience is that there are some things that can't be explained at this point in time by science since we don't have the capability to test for some things.  Just because I don't believe there is a God running everything doesn't mean I'm not allowed to feel, see, sense, or experience anything else that might not be taken as reasonable by others.  Sure, some atheists don't believe there is anyone but what is totally tangible and that is fine, but I would have to personally jump through hoops and make things up to deny what I have experienced.  That would be illogical.

 

This is why labels make me twitch sometimes.  If b feels she is Christian then cool...if not then cool too.  I don't get why anyone would tell someone you aren't a real Christian if you say you believe in Christ or an atheist if you don't believe in gods.  Most of us do have different flavors of beliefs that aren't absolutely by the "rules" in some aspects of our lives, but it doesn't mean we can't be what we feel we are.

 

Based on atheists who believe in the paranormal. The whole reason atheists are against religion is the supernatural, irrational, illogical, components correct?

 

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Well, since I don't believe in the paranormal I'll have to let other atheists that do believe in it address that, and it still doesn't make your statement that the line has been erased true. The other reasons to be "against" religion have been listed a hundred times. It's not their belief in all that, it's how they use it against others.

Originally Posted by b50m:

LOL, this is getting fun ONO.

 

First I came on here and said Christian, no flavor.

 

Then when prodded I said, follow the Ten commandments, the Golden rule and live as good of a life as I can.

 

That was met with, you are not a Christian.

 

So, I said OK, I'm not a Christian.

 

Then when I gave a more detailed view of MY PERSONAL BELIEFS, I got ; You are denying God and Jesus, by saying you are not a Christian, you will be go to hell. You are a Christian in denial.

 

Then semi came up with:

In my opinion, that's just as bad as someone that doesn't believe at all. 


Which she has now clarified.

 


Then Dark says that jimi mixing atheism with reincarnation makes more sense. Riiight.

 

 

 

So, I will believe how I want to and all of you can psychoanalyze all you want to.

 

I would say that the lines of theism and atheism just got erased.

 

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I have never said you were not a Christian. I have never said you were going to hell. I find it very odd that you feel that you are being psychoanalyzed by me, but you have every right to ask these questions of jimi. What gives with that?

 

Whether I agree with jimi or not about reincarnation does not change the fact that he can most definitely be an atheist and believe in reincarnation too. In the strictest of definitions he is in no way contradicting himself. What you have told me is that you believe in Jesus as the son of God, but not the whole bible. You have also said that you truly only follow the gospels. Seems to me that yours is the one that is more contradictory. Doesn't really matter other than you have pretty much hounded jimi over the last few days and insinuated that all other atheist must now believe in supernatural things based on his beliefs. I was just making sure I understood where you were coming from so that maybe I could better understand your post. So far you have not answered some of my questions and I am still unsure. Like I said, its your right to answer if you want.

 

I even answered your required questions of atheist. I had no problem doing that. Seems like a good way of understanding what our own personal views of religion are all about. Is that not why most of us are here?

 

I agree with Best. How did the lines get erased? What does that even mean?

I'm not personally against religion at all.  I'm just not for any person who tries to get everyone else to have to live his or her own belief system, no matter what it is.  Tolerance and diversity keep a population healthy and if everyone is forced to be just alike in everything it grows stagnant or people rebel and there is a mess.

Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I would say that the lines of theism and atheism just got erased.

 

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Based on what?

Based on atheists who believe in the paranormal. The whole reason atheists are against religion is the supernatural, irrational, illogical, components correct?

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I am an atheist because I don't believe in any gods.

 

I am against religion for its overbearing, over-reaching and intrusiveness into our lives. Otherwise I have no problem with others believing such things. I think I have said that several times here.

 

The supernatural, irrational, illogical, components are just a description of what most religions are made up of.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
Originally Posted by b50m:
I have never said you were not a Christian. I have never said you were going to hell. I find it very odd that you feel that you are being psychoanalyzed by me, but you have every right to ask these questions of jimi. What gives with that?

 

Whether I agree with jimi or not about reincarnation does not change the fact that he can most definitely be an atheist and believe in reincarnation too. In the strictest of definitions he is in no way contradicting himself. What you have told me is that you believe in Jesus as the son of God, but not the whole bible. You have also said that you truly only follow the gospels. Seems to me that yours is the one that is more contradictory. Doesn't really matter other than you have pretty much hounded jimi over the last few days and insinuated that all other atheist must now believe in supernatural things based on his beliefs. I was just making sure I understood where you were coming from so that maybe I could better understand your post. So far you have not answered some of my questions and I am still unsure. Like I said, its your right to answer if you want.

 

I even answered your required questions of atheist. I had no problem doing that. Seems like a good way of understanding what our own personal views of religion are all about. Is that not why most of us are here?

 

I agree with Best. How did the lines get erased? What does that even mean?

First, this post was not directed to you. It was a general background of what I have been through on this forum. ONO used the term psychoanalyze, not me. Doesn't bother me, so go ahead.

 

So an atheist can believe in an afterlife, but if someone religious does, they are sad and desperate.

Personally I hope to never be that desperate and sad that I look for something supernatural to fulfill my life and make me happy.


Now as for hounding jimi, I have asked twice what philosophy of reincarnation he follows and how a belief in only science and logic  can mix with one that involves multiple spirit lives. I notice that all of the atheists here have said that the paranormal and atheism can coexist, but a belief in a supernatural omnipotent being is a delusion.


For some strange reason, that is illogical to me. Since that now establishes that supernatural beliefs can coexist with the philosophy of atheism, then how can an atheist tell a religious person they are irrational and delusional?


As for myself, I have said that the simplest definition of a Christian is one who believes in Christ. Since atheism just means 'no God',  Christianity just means following Christ..using the four Gospels and the NT.



Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word Χριστός, Khristos, "Christ", literally "anointed one") is a monotheistic religion[1] based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings.[2] Adherents of the Christian faith are known as Christians.[3]

 


I don't know what else you asked that I didn't answer, but go right ahead and ask away.

For some strange reason, that is illogical to me. Since that now establishes that supernatural beliefs can coexist with the philosophy of atheism, then how can an atheist tell a religious person they are irrational and delusional?

 

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 Once more, I don't believe in the supernatural and I am sure I'm not alone. Let me ask you, why don't all christians believe in ghosts and other things that go bump in the night but claim there's a god, heaven and hell? Now does that make sense to you?

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

For some strange reason, that is illogical to me. Since that now establishes that supernatural beliefs can coexist with the philosophy of atheism, then how can an atheist tell a religious person they are irrational and delusional?

 

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 Once more, I don't believe in the supernatural and I am sure I'm not alone. Let me ask you, why don't all christians believe in ghosts and other things that go bump in the night but claim there's a god, heaven and hell? Now does that make sense to you?

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That's good Best, keep all the bases covered and stick to your true beliefs.

Don't be a half--well don't be a jimmaboy atheist.

 

Originally Posted by b50m:

First, this post was not directed to you. It was a general background of what I have been through on this forum. ONO used the term psychoanalyze, not me. Doesn't bother me, so go ahead.

 

So an atheist can believe in an afterlife, but if someone religious does, they are sad and desperate.

Personally I hope to never be that desperate and sad that I look for something supernatural to fulfill my life and make me happy.


Now as for hounding jimi, I have asked twice what philosophy of reincarnation he follows and how a belief in only science and logic  can mix with one that involves multiple spirit lives. I notice that all of the atheists here have said that the paranormal and atheism can coexist, but a belief in a supernatural omnipotent being is a delusion.


For some strange reason, that is illogical to me. Since that now establishes that supernatural beliefs can coexist with the philosophy of atheism, then how can an atheist tell a religious person they are irrational and delusional?


As for myself, I have said that the simplest definition of a Christian is one who believes in Christ. Since atheism just means 'no God',  Christianity just means following Christ..using the four Gospels and the NT.



Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word Χριστός, Khristos, "Christ", literally "anointed one") is a monotheistic religion[1] based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings.[2] Adherents of the Christian faith are known as Christians.[3]

 


I don't know what else you asked that I didn't answer, but go right ahead and ask away.

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These were your words.

"So, I will believe how I want to and all of you can psychoanalyze all you want to."

 

I have said before and I will say it again. I don't believe in reincarnation. Jimi is the only atheist I have ever heard say they did. The only thing I can agree with him on is that he actually, technically could be an atheist and believe in reincarnation. The two do not contradict each other. Atheist being the simple fact of not believing in gods. Also you have never seen me say that the paranormal exist. I actually can't think of one person who says they are atheist on this forum make that kind of statement. I also do not think there will be any kind of "afterlife" So I am not sure who you are talking about with these comments. You keep saying things like that in post directed to me. Granted I do know that there are atheist in the world that believe in all kinds of things like ghost, UFO's, Big Foot, chiropractors...etc. I don't agree with them on anything other than the atheism part. Is it so hard to understand that atheism is not a doctrine, nor does it have rules or dogma? Atheism is very simple. No belief in gods. Period. Nothing more.  Personally I think believing in ghosts is delusional. 

 

And yes, I would have to be sad and desperate to need the belief in the supernatural. I am speaking for myself there. Take that how ever you want to. It is my honest opinion about myself.

 

As for questions you have not answered. There is actually a couple of follow ups. If you are basing your belief that NT is actually inspired by God and that belief is based on the date and subject matter, what do you say to evidence that they were actually written in the 2nd century and the story of Jesus Christ was already being told long before the gospels were written, with just different "saviors" as the character? Mithra being one of them.

 

I added a bit to what I had originally ask, but that is more the questions I wanted you to answer.

 

 

 

 

There was oral tradition before the writings took place. As I argued with Unob one time, only about 1% of the population at that time could read or write, so of course oral tradition preceded written word.

 

Mithra was considered a Sun God not a Son of God. The December 25 birth is, of course, laughable, since the Bible never gives a time of Jesus' birth and is somewhere between 7 BC and 2 BC. If we cannot know the year, we certainly do not know the month and day. 

Last edited by b50m
Originally Posted by O No!:

That one's easy, Jennifer. Because if you believe the Bible, you know there IS no such thing as ghosts.


I used to believe in the Bible (well, didn't go much for the violent parts) and I have always believed there was energy around us most can't see.  It is personal belief and experience rather than belief in the Bible or Jesus that determines what a person believes exists.

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