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How can so many people be so right and others are so wrong. The baptist say once saved always saved, the methodist say you can be saved more than once. I have always heard that if your not a member of the church of Christ that your not going to heaven and they don't allow any muscial instruments in their church. Then there is some religions that say you can speak in tongues and then there are others that say you can handle snakes.

And then there are some that say once you divorce you are not allowed to get married again. Then there are divisons in the catholic church and not only them but just about all religions. Then there are the athiest who don't beleive in no religions, but have the least divorces. There are so many religions that I can't list them all. And a lot of them saids God told them to do this and that, I never known of God talking to anyone. And then there are some religions that tell you that you must give 10% of your income to the church. And we all know for a fact if all these religions are so right and others are wrong, then why is it that religions cause so much conflict in the world of ours.

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Originally Posted by dinosaur:
 
if all these religions are so right and others are wrong, then why is it that religions cause so much conflict in the world of ours.
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I've ask those same questions many times but no one has ever been able to give an answer that makes any sense. All they have is their "religious" beliefs & those beliefs depend on which church they attend.
As far as the conflict, that comes from people like our forum idiot that thinks he has all the answers, he's right & everyone else is wrong. 

 

Religion can be anything you want it to be.  It works that way because it's basic tenets were made up on a whim thousands or hundreds of years ago and what wasn't considered then the believers just pull out of their asses as they go along today.  They're not all the same kind of people so of course there will be differences.  When it comes to made-up stuff, who's to say who's right and wrong?  It all depends on whose club you're in.....

I don't believe guns kill people anymore than religion causes all the world

troubles. Idiots are responsible for both. Did football kill Toomers corner

trees? As long as there is still an argument for a flat earth or 5000 newby

denominations of Christianity and as many Bible interpretations for the

same verse, idiots are there and love the part they play.

Dinosaur: you're right about all the confusion and part of the answer lies in the name of your topic "religion". There is a vast difference in "religion" and christianity. The meaning of the word religion is "bound to a ceremony". There are many religious people in the world who have never trusted Christ for salvation. The answer to all the confusion will be found when people STUDY God's Word for themselves and stop depending on some man to tell them what the Word says. Read IITim.2:15 where Paul instructs the believer to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed (and here is the answer to the problem) RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH. To rightly divide doesn't mean that we throw out part of the Bible and only study the part that appeals to us it means that where God made a division, we should also. For example: Genesis 1:1 say "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" He could have said God created the universe but He made a distinction. Why? God had a purpose concerning the earth quite different for His purpose concerning the heavenly places. With a careful study of the Old Testament you will notice it concerns the nation Israel and God's earthly promises to that nation. You will notice that God chose one man Abram (later changed his name to Abraham) in Gen 12:1-3  and in chapter 13: 14-15 notice for how long this land is promised to them (forever) and when God said forever He meant forever. In Gen 35:10 God changes the name of Abraham's grandson from Jacob to Israel. Jacob had 12 sons (Gen 35:22) and this is where the 12 tribes of Israel come from. All through the Old testament (Gen through Malachi) God is dealing with Israel, the earth, the promised Kingdom & King ( Isaiah 9:6-7, 11:1-12, Zechariah 12:8)  When you get to the Books of Matthew -John you will notice that it still concerns Israel and Christ coming to fulfill the promises God made to the fathers (all of the old patriarchs in the Old Testament) Now when you get over to Matt. 4:23 notice what Jesus was preaching (he was preaching the gospel of the kingdom) what kingdom? the one promised in Daniel 2:44, Amos 9:11, Acts 1:6.  He is still dealing only with the nation Israel (Matt. 10:5-60. Why. because God had long since given up the gentiles to their total depravity. Now when you get to Mark 16:16 remember Jesus is still dealing with his Jewish Apostles when he gave them the promise of healing, handling serpents, not being hurt by drinking any deadly thing etc. It in no way concerns the church (which is called the Body of Christ, Ephesians 1:22-23) in this age of grace. Yes, there was a church during the earthly ministry of Christ, it was called the "little flock" Luke 12:32 and was made up of a believing remnant in an unbelieving nation. As for the 10% tithe that was also a requirement of Israel (Numbers 18:26-28, Deut. 14:220 and many more) and you will notice it was not 10% of their money to be given to a "Church" but 10% of everything. So you see right division can clear up a lot of things. Now concerning us and the church of today. Let's go to the epistles (letters) of Paul the apostle of the gentiles (which you and I are), Romans through Philemon. First, the Book of Acts chapter 9 tells of God saving Paul on the road to Damascus and vs. 15 will tell you who God would send him to. Notice that #1  would be the gentiles. Romans 11:13 tells us that Paul is the apostle of the gentiles ( not Peter, James, John and the other Jewish apostles). Romans 15:16 also, I Corinthians 4:16 Paul says "be ye followers of me" now remember this is directions from God not just Paul wanting to exalt himself, and Rom11:1, Philippians 3:17 etc.

I Know this has been long so to sum it up If everyone would put the scripture where God meant for it to be and stop trying to claim promises that God never intended for them there would be no confusion. Try studying the Bible on this order and see if a lot of your confusion and questions aren't answered, 1. The Old Testament concerns Israel 2. The 4 gospels concern Christ earthly ministry to Israel where he is offering them the promised earthly kingdom (which they reject). 3. The Book of Acts is a transition period where God has set Israel aside (temporarily) and is changing from the Law that was given to Israel to grace that is given to everyone with no distinction.4> The epistles of Paul are for the church today and concern the commission, the walk the growth, our completeness in Christ, our position in Christ, our rule with Him in ages to come and much more. 5. When the church is caught away at the end of the age of God's grace then he returns to dealing with Israel in Hebrews through Revelation

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Dinosaur: you're right about all the confusion and part of the answer lies in the name of your topic "religion."  There is a vast difference in "religion" and Christianity.  The meaning of the word religion is "bound to a ceremony."   There are many religious people in the world who have never trusted Christ for salvation. 

 

The answer to all the confusion will be found when people STUDY God's Word for themselves and stop depending on some man to tell them what the Word says.

 

Read II Tim.2:15 where Paul instructs the believer to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed (and here is the answer to the problem) RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH."  

 

To rightly divide doesn't mean that we throw out part of the Bible and only study the part that appeals to us it means that where God made a division, we should also.

 

For example: Genesis 1:1 say "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."  He could have said God created the universe, but He made a distinction.  Why?  God had a purpose concerning the earth quite different from His purpose concerning the heavenly places. 

 

With a careful study of the Old Testament you will notice it concerns the nation Israel and God's earthly promises to that nation.  You will notice that God chose one man Abram (later changed his name to Abraham) in Gen 12:1-3.   And in chapter 13: 14-15 notice for how long this land is promised to them (forever) -- and when God said forever, He meant forever.

 

In Gen 35:10 God changes the name of Abraham's grandson from Jacob to Israel.  Jacob had 12 sons (Gen 35:22) and this is where the 12 tribes of Israel come from.  All through the Old testament (Gen through Malachi) God is dealing with Israel, the earth, the promised Kingdom & King ( Isaiah 9:6-7, 11:1-12, Zechariah 12:8). 

 

When you get to the Books of Matthew - John, you will notice that it still concerns Israel and Christ coming to fulfill the promises God made to the fathers (all of the old patriarchs in the Old Testament). 

 

Now when you get over to Matt. 4:23 notice what Jesus was preaching (he was preaching the Gospel of the kingdom).  What kingdom?  The one promised in Daniel 2:44, Amos 9:11, Acts 1:6.

He is still dealing only with the nation Israel (Matt. 10:5-60.  Why?  Because God had long since given up the Gentiles to their total depravity. 

 

Now when you get to Mark 16:16 remember Jesus is still dealing with his Jewish Apostles when he gave them the promise of healing, handling serpents, not being hurt by drinking any deadly thing etc.  It in no way concerns the church (which is called the Body of Christ, Ephesians 1:22-23) in this age of grace.

 

Yes, there was a church during the earthly ministry of Christ, it was called the "little flock" (Luke 12:32) and was made up of a believing remnant in an unbelieving nation. 

 

As for the 10% tithe, that was also a requirement of Israel (Numbers 18:26-28, Deut. 14:220 and many more).  And you will notice it was not 10% of their money to be given to a "Church" but 10% of everything. 

 

So you see right division can clear up a lot of things.  Now concerning us and the church of today.  Let's go to the epistles (letters) of Paul the apostle of the Gentiles (which you and I are) -- Romans through Philemon.  First, the Book of Acts chapter 9 tells of God saving Paul on the road to Damascus, and verse 15 will tell you who God would send him to.  Notice that #1 would be the Gentiles. 

 

Romans 11:13 tells us that Paul is the apostle of the gentiles ( not Peter, James, John and the other Jewish apostles).  Romans 15:16 also.  First Corinthians 4:16 Paul says "be ye followers of me."   Now remember this is directions from God, not just Paul wanting to exalt himself, and Rom11:1, Philippians 3:17 etc.

 

I Know this has been long.  So to sum it up, if everyone would put the Scripture where God meant for it to be -- and stop trying to claim promises that God never intended for them, there would be no confusion.

 

Try studying the Bible in this order and see if a lot of your confusion and questions aren't answered,

 

1. The Old Testament concerns Israel

 

2. The 4 gospels concern Christ earthly ministry to Israel where he is offering them the promised earthly kingdom (which they reject).

 

3. The Book of Acts is a transition period where God has set Israel aside (temporarily) -- and is changing from the Law that was given to Israel -- to grace that is given to everyone with no distinction.

 

4. The epistles of Paul are for the church today and concern the commission, the walk, the growth, our completeness in Christ, our position in Christ, our rule with Him in ages to come and much more.

 

5. When the church is caught away at the end of the age of God's grace then he returns to dealing with Israel in Hebrews through Revelation

Hi Nana,

 

Thank you for this good explanation of "religion" versus Christianity.   You have explained it well.  I just took the liberty of separating it into more easily read thoughts (rightly dividing? -- just kidding).

 

I agree with you and I am happy to see you posting in the Religion Forum.  Please do not be a stranger to us here.  We need more like you in the Religion Forum.

 

Of course you realize that now the Cabal will start swearing that you are Bill Gray in disguise.  But, as long as we know the truth -- let them throw out their smoke screen.  When they do that, it only shows clearly that they have no intelligent rebuttal -- so they start sputtering and fuming, huffing and puffing.  Come to think of it -- that pretty well describes the actions of the atheist and secular crowd.

 

Again, thank you for your post.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by dinosaur:

How can so many people be so right and others are so wrong. The baptist say once saved always saved, the methodist say you can be saved more than once. I have always heard that if your not a member of the church of Christ that your not going to heaven and they don't allow any muscial instruments in their church. Then there is some religions that say you can speak in tongues and then there are others that say you can handle snakes.

And then there are some that say once you divorce you are not allowed to get married again. Then there are divisons in the catholic church and not only them but just about all religions. Then there are the athiest who don't beleive in no religions, but have the least divorces. There are so many religions that I can't list them all. And a lot of them saids God told them to do this and that, I never known of God talking to anyone. And then there are some religions that tell you that you must give 10% of your income to the church. And we all know for a fact if all these religions are so right and others are wrong, then why is it that religions cause so much conflict in the world of ours.

This is only my opinion.  It is all confusing  but look at the women that only had a few pennies and she gave it all. I believe that you give what you can and as for as once saved always saved I do not think that that is right because when you are baptized it washes away your sins but it is up to you not to backslide and to live by the word of God and believe  in him. If you slip then you repent of your sins and supposedly you will be forgiven. But I just believe what I understand and try my best to do God's will for no one is perfect. What really stays on my mind are all the children that are beat to death and abused like the one the other day in Tuscumbia. Said he was changing the 2 months olds diaper and it would not stop crying so he beat it to death.  I just do not understand why and that is one of the words WHY that you are not suppose to ask. But it is so sad.

Originally Posted by LAL:

But I just believe what I understand and try my best to do God's will for no one is perfect.

What really stays on my mind are all the children that are beat to death and abused like the one the other day in Tuscumbia. Said he was changing the 2 months olds diaper and it would not stop crying so he beat it to death.

 I just do not understand why and that is one of the words WHY that you are not suppose to ask. But it is so sad.

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That's all anyone should do. What they understand & their best to do God's will. Trouble walks in the door when you look to other human being's for answers.

 

As for the man that killed his 2 month old. What makes me angry & is so sad is that this POS can ask God to forgive him & God will let him slide into Heaven on a cloud with the very baby he beat to death. Something just doesn't feel right about that.

 

And about asking why. The Bible doesn’t say you’re not supposed to ask why. Jesus Himself, while on the cross, ask God why he had forsaken Him. It’s not sinful to ask why. What’s wrong would be how you ask, as in resentment and/or anger.

I have opinions like anyone else, & that's all these are...is my opinion.

 

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by LAL:

But I just believe what I understand and try my best to do God's will for no one is perfect.

What really stays on my mind are all the children that are beat to death and abused like the one the other day in Tuscumbia. Said he was changing the 2 months olds diaper and it would not stop crying so he beat it to death.

 I just do not understand why and that is one of the words WHY that you are not suppose to ask. But it is so sad.

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That's all anyone should do. What they understand & their best to do God's will. Trouble walks in the door when you look to other human being's for answers.

 

As for the man that killed his 2 month old. What makes me angry & is so sad is that this POS can ask God to forgive him & God will let him slide into Heaven on a cloud with the very baby he beat to death. Something just doesn't feel right about that.

 

And about asking why. The Bible doesn’t say you’re not supposed to ask why. Jesus Himself, while on the cross, ask God why he had forsaken Him. It’s not sinful to ask why. What’s wrong would be how you ask, as in resentment and/or anger.

I have opinions like anyone else, & that's all these are...is my opinion.

 

 

Yes, you have your opinion and I think that they are good ones. You must live the best you can and hope it was good enough to enter into the gates of heaven. I try to treat people like I want to be treated. As for the child I have never seen it but an image stays locked in my mind of the man hitting it. He should have to wear a heavy chain around his neck with the child's photo on it of what he did to that precious little baby.  I do not try to tell anyone what they should do about the bible and God because I really do not know enough to do so and I have went to church all my life and still you can read the meanings of the sentence differently. To me it means one thing and when I think about it could mean another.  Confusing. 

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Originally Posted by LAL:

 As for the child I have never seen it but an image stays locked in my mind of the man hitting it. He should have to wear a heavy chain around his neck with the child's photo on it of what he did to that precious little baby. 

I do not try to tell anyone what they should do about the bible and God because I really do not know enough to do so and I have went to church all my life and still you can read the meanings of the sentence differently. To me it means one thing and when I think about it could mean another.  Confusing. 

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My heart hurts for the precious little children/babies that have been beaten, killed & raped. Those people that do that should be punished in the way the Indians tortured people & that still wouldn't be enough.

You're one of the rare people that don't try to tell anyone what they should/shouldn't do about the Bible and/or God. Most people love being a know it all. I love your honesty & yes, it's very confusing. That's one of the reasons I walked away, many years ago.

 

It's a good thing that you walked away from "religion'" because that's an entirely different thing than belonging to God. Religion is not always a good thing. Notice in the 4 gospels who it was that wanted Jesus dead. It was the religious crowd. Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God :not of works lest any man should boast".  You see when we place our faith (trust) in the finished works of Christ on Calvary ,God in his grace saves us, and notice the last part of the verse does away with anyone trying to work  (or be good enough) to earn salvation. Just simple faith is all it takes. Romans 3:24 says "Being justified (declared righteous) FREELY by his grace through the redemption ( freedom at a cost) that is in Christ Jesus. You see our redemption cost Jesus his all. Who among us would ever have thought to say to God "I want you to send your Son to die on the cross to pay the penalty for my sins so that I don't have to" . What a merciful God we have. Ephesians 3:20 says "Now to him (Jesus) that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ASK or THINK, according to the power that worketh in us. Don't get me wrong I'm not declaring war on religion but I am saying don't depend on religion for your souls eternal destiny. Someone said yesterday that we could be saved one day and lost the next day. God himself said (and personally I will take God's Word above man's any day) after we hear the Word of truth and believe what God tells us we are saved and SEALED with the Holy Spirit Ephesians 1:13  and 4:30 says unto the day of redemption (when Christ takes his church home).

Hi Nana,

 

Amen to all your have written!  I might only disagree slightly when one thing you wrote, and it is a matter of semantics.

 

You wrote, "It's a good thing that you walked away from 'religion' because that's an entirely different thing than belonging to God.  Religion is not always a good thing."

 

Actually, I would say that "religion" is never a good thing -- for religion is made up of traditions, rituals, and is man-made.   While Christianity, being a Christ Follower, can only be defined as having a saving relationship with Jesus Christ.

 

When we believe and receive Christ as our Lord and Savior (John 1:12), we are adopted into the family of God, i.e., become children of God -- and thus, brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ.  That is a relationship just as our familial attachments on this earth are relationships.  Just because we might get angry with our parents, with our siblings -- we still have that familial relationship which cannot be broken.

 

And, by the same token, when we become children of God, brethren of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 2:17) -- that is a saving relationship with Jesus Christ.  And, NO ONE can snatch us out of His hands (John 10:28-29).  No world "religion" can claim that relationship.

 

Please keep posting.  Our Lord loves it when we stand up as His witnesses (Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15).

 

When we share like this -- since the naysayers have no rebuttal, all they can do is accuse you of being Bill Gray.   That is rather like the playground retort when nothing else comes to their mind, "Oh, yeah, well my daddy can whip your daddy!"  To such, all we can do is to smile and reply, "Okay."

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Hi LAL, you're absolutely right when you say none of us are perfect. But here's the good news. Did you know that when we trust Christ for salvation God sees us as perfect because when he looks at us he sees his Son. In our own might we can never do enough to be perfect enough to enter the presence of a just God. That is why he had to give the best that heaven had to pay that penalty. Can you imagine such love. My little pea brain just can't comprehend such love.
Concerning the evil deeds of man that you commented on, doesn't it break your heart to even hear of such as goes on this this evil world today. But when we think about who is in control of the worldly system it helps us to realize how these things happen. Satan is very much in control and all we have to do is look around to see the effects. But these monsters may think they may get away with their deeds but just read Romans 2:5. God has a plan for them.
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
That's one of the reasons I walked away, many years ago.
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Originally Posted by nana young:

It's a good thing that you walked away from "religion'" because that's an entirely different thing than belonging to God.

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Uh, excuse me, Bill, uh, nana, but where did I say I walked away from "religion"??? Until you know what you're talking about, I don't need or want advice from you.

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quote:   Originally Posted by nana young:

Thanks Bill and I agree with you.  My heart's desire is for everyone to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth I Tim.2:4.  I look forward to meeting many new friends on here.

Your truth?

Jennifer Best, my Friend,

 

The truth to which Nana was referring is found in this Scripture passage:

 

1 Timothy 2:3-6, "This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, (4) who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (5) For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, (6) who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time."

 

What is that TRUTH which God wants all men to know?  It is that Jesus Christ lay aside His divine nature as God and came to earth as God Incarnate, the Suffering Lamb -- to make eternal life available to all people.  He has "paid in full" the price of your eternal forgiveness.  All you have to do is to claim that gift.

 

Imagine you are broke and homeless, wondering where your next meal will come from -- and then Bill Gates comes to you with a cashier's check for one billion dollars.  Wow, you can go from scratching in trash cans for food -- to living in a glorious mansion with all the food you could ever want.

 

The gift of Jesus Christ is similar.   Right now you are a homeless beggar in need of a spiritual home.   Jesus Christ is coming to you -- right now -- having purchased a fabulous mansion in heaven just for you (John 14:1-3).  He is offering you a glorious eternal home where you will be forever happy and full of joy.  All you have to do is to receive the gift He is offering you.

 

If you deny and refuse His gift -- you WILL spend eternity in a horrible existence, much worse than the spiritual homelessness you have today -- void of the presence of God.   And, my Friend, such an eternal existence -- is truly hell.

 

That is the Truth which Nana is suggesting your receive, God's Truth, not Nana's truth, not Bill Gray's truth, not the truth of any man -- ONLY the Truth of God. 

 

My Friend, you WILL hear His Truth -- either now, or when you stand before Him at the Great White Throne Judgment.  But, if you wait until then -- it will be too late to change your eternal course.

 

Now is the time!  Now is the absolute best time -- to hear and accept God's Truth.

 

Give Him a try!  What do you have to lose -- except an eternity of misery?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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You know, a few days ago I was reading the forum and someone posted about all the confusion in the churches and as I read I was struck with the thought that maybe, just maybe someone was really interested in understanding why this is so. In my ignorance I thought I might could help. Then all of a sudden I am getting replies from people accusing me of being someone else and they are not interested in my help. I want everyone to know that when I posted for the first time a man by the name of Bill Gray welcomed me to the forum and I thanked him because he also corrected something for me for which I am grateful. Someone else commented on my post but rest assured unlike Bill (who all of you seem to hate) you won't be bothered with me anymore. Excuse me for caring. 
quote:   Originally Posted by nana young:
You know, a few days ago I was reading the forum and someone posted about all the confusion in the churches and as I read I was struck with the thought that maybe, just maybe someone was really interested in understanding why this is so.  In my ignorance I thought I might could help. 
Then all of a sudden I am getting replies from people accusing me of being someone else and they are not interested in my help.  I want everyone to know that when I posted for the first time a man by the name of Bill Gray welcomed me to the forum and I thanked him because he also corrected something for me for which I am grateful.  Someone else commented on my post but rest assured unlike Bill (who all of you seem to hate) you won't be bothered with me anymore.
Excuse me for caring.

Hi Nana,

 

Please do not allow this small cabal of malcontents to discourage you.  If you will notice, there are about ten such malcontents who always jump on any Christian who posts.   But, the last time I looked, which was a couple of years ago, there are over 12,000 forum members registered to post.  That number is most likely up to 15,000 plus now.

 

And, an educated guess would say that there are many times that number who come to the TimesDaily Forums just to read -- and do not bother to become members.  For example, right now, if you look in the lower right hand corner of the forum web page -- you will read this:

 

Current Visitors:  519  (Members: 9, Guests: 510)

 

This tells us that right now -- there are only 9 posting members logged on the forum -- but there are  510 GUEST who have come to read.   Those people are our target audience for the Gospel.  The naysayers and malcontents which continue to throw rocks at us -- are a puny minority.  They just love to yell loud while they rant and rave at conservative Christians.   So, hang in there -- for those reading GUEST.

 

When Christ gave us the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15) -- He didn't tell us we would not meet resistance.  The world will always resist God's Word.   Jesus told us the world, i.e., secular society, will hate us for His name sake.  So, we just smile and tell them, "God loves you!"  Matter of fact, that is my avatar:  God Is Love!

 

Our job is not to make these malcontents listen, our job is not to convert these malcontents -- our job is to be sowing seeds of salvation and allow the Holy Spirit to do the harvesting.   How do you know that something you wrote has not made a difference in some person's life -- today? 

 

About 18 years ago, I worked for a computer company which integrated custom computer systems for clients.  One Friday afternoon a customer in Houston called for help with his system.  I told him, "I can help you for about an hour, but then I have to leave for I have Bible study tonight."

 

All of a sudden he perked up, seemed to have forgotten his computer problem, and said, "You are a Christian?"  "Yes," I told him.   And, then I told him about Christian newsletter called "The Good News" which I wrote, published, and mailed once a month.  

 

He asked to be on my mail list -- and a couple of weeks later, I mailed my monthly The Good News newsletter, with him included.   Fast forward a couple of weeks and we were talking again.  The first thing he told me was, "Bill, I got your newsletter.  It came just in time."

 

Because my boss and another client were in my office, I could not ask him what he meant that "it came just in time."   I could only assume that this man had a need, a serious need, which my newsletter addressed -- and he received the answer he needed -- just in time.

 

About a week later I left the company -- and never got to follow up with that man.  But, I have the peace of mind of knowing that my sharing the Word of God in that newsletter met a need he felt at that time.  So, I was sowing seeds -- and whatever his need, the Holy Spirit used my newsletter to bring him the answer he sought.

 

Nana, please do not allow this handful of naysayers to drive you away.  What I do is to take whatever they might write which can be used to share the Word of God with the GUESTS -- and use that as a platform for sharing the Gospel. 

 

But, since most of their rantings are just "spitting contests" and "rock throwing" -- I ignore that.  I have much better use of my time that to spend it in endless "spitting contests" with irate children who are angry with God.

 

So, my Friend, hang in there -- and keep sharing God's Word, planting seeds.  The Holy Spirit will take care of the rest.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by nana young:
Bill Gray welcomed me to the forum and I thanked him because he also corrected something for me for which I am grateful. Someone else commented on my post but rest assured unlike Bill (who all of you seem to hate) you won't be bothered with me anymore. Excuse me for caring. 

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If you aren't another ID of Bill's, let me educate you on something. You want to know what Bill Gray is all about, then hang on. If you have read this forum at all, it seems impossible to many of us that you haven't seen ole Billy in action. He is not a Christian. He welcomed you to make himself look good. Then you say he corrected you. Hang around & he will do some more correcting plus some making fun & calling you names. 

My guess is you won't hang around because several of us already know who you are. BTW, why has it taken you 3 years to post?

Originally Posted by nana young:
Thank you Bill. Who are these "People"? LOL I've never come across such judgmental hatred as some of them spew. I don't know how you keep on keeping on. One just posted to me that you weren't a Christian. As you warned me earlier they are saying I am you. God bless you I will pray for you daily.

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Thank you. You've just proven what several of us knew already.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by LAL:

 As for the child I have never seen it but an image stays locked in my mind of the man hitting it. He should have to wear a heavy chain around his neck with the child's photo on it of what he did to that precious little baby. 

I do not try to tell anyone what they should do about the bible and God because I really do not know enough to do so and I have went to church all my life and still you can read the meanings of the sentence differently. To me it means one thing and when I think about it could mean another.  Confusing. 

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My heart hurts for the precious little children/babies that have been beaten, killed & raped. Those people that do that should be punished in the way the Indians tortured people & that still wouldn't be enough.

You're one of the rare people that don't try to tell anyone what they should/shouldn't do about the Bible and/or God. Most people love being a know it all. I love your honesty & yes, it's very confusing. That's one of the reasons I walked away, many years ago.

 

Semi,

There are many more of us who have no desire to tell you what you should and should not do regarding the bible we are just a silent majority.  There are many more like us who hope you find God but do not press it on you like Bill G.  Have a Great Day.  For myself being Christian is personal and I believe you demonstrate more by your actions than words, especially when you think no one else is paying attention.

quote:  Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Semi, There are many more of us who have no desire to tell you what you should and should not do regarding the bible we are just a silent majorityThere are many more like us who hope you find God but do not press it on you like Bill G.  Have a Great Day.  For myself being Christian is personal and I believe you demonstrate more by your actions than words, especially when you think no one else is paying attention.

Flyer, my Friend,

 

You say that I have tried to "push" the Christian faith on Chick.  Is telling folks about the Gospel and God's Word -- pushing it on them? 

 

It would appear that you agree with a Forum Friend who told us a while back, "If anyone wants to know about Jesus, he will ask me.  If he does not ask, I will not push my beliefs on him!"

 

My Friend, that is the perfect definition of a "couch potato" Christian!

 

Yet, when I read the Great Commission which Jesus Christ gave to ALL Christian believers -- "Go, Make disciples, Baptize them, TEACH them. . .  Be My witnesses in all the world"  (Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15) -- I do not see Jesus telling folks to just "sit on their couch" waiting for folks to come ask about Him.

 

Can you imagine how fast the Christian faith would have died out -- if the 120 disciples in the Upper Room on the Day of Pentecost 33 AD had all been "couch potato" Christians?

 

How many of we Gentiles would have become believers -- if the apostle Paul had decided to be a "couch potato" Christian -- and just wait for all the Gentiles to come and ask him about salvation through Jesus Christ?

 

No, my  Friend, I do not believe that Jesus Christ wanted it from the apostles, nor do I believe He wants it from us -- that we just sit on our butts waiting until someone asks.

 

But, if that is the way you roll -- God bless you!

 

Telling Chick, and others, that a person has to make a choice -- follow Christ or deny Christ -- and that this choice determines their eternal destiny, is not pushing them, it is just sharing the Truth of the Gospel with them.  And, they have the God-given choice to listen or to not listen.  That is called "sowing seeds" and ALL Christians are called to do that.

 

Chick keeps yelling the Bill Gray has condemned her to hell.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Neither Bill Gray, nor anyone else, not even God -- can condemn Chick to hell.  She is the only one who can do that.   All I have done is to tell her that she MUST make a choice.

 

Do you feel that Christians should not tell that to folks?  If so, then you must believe that the Great Commission is null and void.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by LAL:

 As for the child I have never seen it but an image stays locked in my mind of the man hitting it. He should have to wear a heavy chain around his neck with the child's photo on it of what he did to that precious little baby. 

I do not try to tell anyone what they should do about the bible and God because I really do not know enough to do so and I have went to church all my life and still you can read the meanings of the sentence differently. To me it means one thing and when I think about it could mean another.  Confusing. 

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My heart hurts for the precious little children/babies that have been beaten, killed & raped. Those people that do that should be punished in the way the Indians tortured people & that still wouldn't be enough.

You're one of the rare people that don't try to tell anyone what they should/shouldn't do about the Bible and/or God. Most people love being a know it all. I love your honesty & yes, it's very confusing. That's one of the reasons I walked away, many years ago.

 

Thank you and as for me I have enough problems and do not need to tell anyone what they should or should't do about the words of the bible. I just hope that I know enough about it to be accepted into heaven. I am trying  to   prepare for the fact that I will be finding out sooner than I would like.   

Originally Posted by LAL:

Thank you and as for me I have enough problems and do not need to tell anyone what they should or should't do about the words of the bible. I just hope that I know enough about it to be accepted into heaven. I am trying  to   prepare for the fact that I will be finding out sooner than I would like.   

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Be nice if all Christians had your attitude. It's people like you, Hiflyer2 & some others that people tend to go to if need be. If a person has questions and/or someone to talk to they will usually stay away from those that want to push Christianity/Religion on you. Those that preach, condemn, judgmental, wants to look good to others, & pretend to be something their not are the ones I would stay away from. Those kind will get theirs the day they stand before God. (IF He exist  )

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:

Semi,

There are many more of us who have no desire to tell you what you should and should not do regarding the bible we are just a silent majority.  There are many more like us who hope you find God but do not press it on you like Bill G.  Have a Great Day.  For myself being Christian is personal and I believe you demonstrate more by your actions than words, especially when you think no one else is paying attention.

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I'm sorry, Hiflyer2. I don't mean to crop you in the same field with our troll & others like him. I need to watch my words more carefully in how I say something.

We all know what the forum troll is about & it's best to just ignore his post. I saw where he had posted after you so I can imagine he's telling you that you're not a Christian because of your post to me. According to him, you probably should be telling me I'm going to Hell. But then, he's told everyone here at one time or another that they're going to Hell. I'm a grown woman & I don't need preaching to. If I did, there's a church on every street corner that I could choose from.

If my words have ever offended you, & made you feel less than you are, that was not my intention & I apologize.

Bill DHL™ believes that he is the Great White Christian Missionary of the forums.  He has failed at that, by believing that the "Great Commission" is to preach, preach, preach the gospel no matter the results.  He finds great satisfaction in running off both Christians and non-believers alike, believing that if he isn't being "persecuted" for being such a tool that he must be doing something wrong. 

 

If every Christian acted like ol' Johhny, the world would have become mostly Muslim long before now.

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:

Semi,

There are many more of us who have no desire to tell you what you should and should not do regarding the bible we are just a silent majority.  There are many more like us who hope you find God but do not press it on you like Bill G.  Have a Great Day.  For myself being Christian is personal and I believe you demonstrate more by your actions than words, especially when you think no one else is paying attention.

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I'm sorry, Hiflyer2. I don't mean to crop you in the same field with our troll & others like him. I need to watch my words more carefully in how I say something.

We all know what the forum troll is about & it's best to just ignore his post. I saw where he had posted after you so I can imagine he's telling you that you're not a Christian because of your post to me. According to him, you probably should be telling me I'm going to Hell. But then, he's told everyone here at one time or another that they're going to Hell. I'm a grown woman & I don't need preaching to. If I did, there's a church on every street corner that I could choose from.

If my words have ever offended you, & made you feel less than you are, that was not my intention & I apologize.

Never hurt my feelings at all ! 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Semi, There are many more of us who have no desire to tell you what you should and should not do regarding the bible we are just a silent majorityThere are many more like us who hope you find God but do not press it on you like Bill G.  Have a Great Day.  For myself being Christian is personal and I believe you demonstrate more by your actions than words, especially when you think no one else is paying attention.

Flyer, my Friend,

 

You say that I have tried to "push" the Christian faith on Chick.  Is telling folks about the Gospel and God's Word -- pushing it on them? 

 

It would appear that you agree with a Forum Friend who told us a while back, "If anyone wants to know about Jesus, he will ask me.  If he does not ask, I will not push my beliefs on him!"

 

My Friend, that is the perfect definition of a "couch potato" Christian!

 

Yet, when I read the Great Commission which Jesus Christ gave to ALL Christian believers -- "Go, Make disciples, Baptize them, TEACH them. . .  Be My witnesses in all the world"  (Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15) -- I do not see Jesus telling folks to just "sit on their couch" waiting for folks to come ask about Him.

 

Can you imagine how fast the Christian faith would have died out -- if the 120 disciples in the Upper Room on the Day of Pentecost 33 AD had all been "couch potato" Christians?

 

How many of we Gentiles would have become believers -- if the apostle Paul had decided to be a "couch potato" Christian -- and just wait for all the Gentiles to come and ask him about salvation through Jesus Christ?

 

No, my  Friend, I do not believe that Jesus Christ wanted it from the apostles, nor do I believe He wants it from us -- that we just sit on our butts waiting until someone asks.

 

But, if that is the way you roll -- God bless you!

 

Telling Chick, and others, that a person has to make a choice -- follow Christ or deny Christ -- and that this choice determines their eternal destiny, is not pushing them, it is just sharing the Truth of the Gospel with them.  And, they have the God-given choice to listen or to not listen.  That is called "sowing seeds" and ALL Christians are called to do that.

 

Chick keeps yelling the Bill Gray has condemned her to hell.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Neither Bill Gray, nor anyone else, not even God -- can condemn Chick to hell.  She is the only one who can do that.   All I have done is to tell her that she MUST make a choice.

 

Do you feel that Christians should not tell that to folks?  If so, then you must believe that the Great Commission is null and void.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Bill,

You turn more away that you attract with your "my way or the your wrong" interpretation of scripture.  It is easier to talk like a Christian than act like one especially when no one is looking!

quote:  Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
quote:  Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Semi, There are many more of us who have no desire to tell you what you should and should not do regarding the bible we are just a silent majorityThere are many more like us who hope you find God but do not press it on you like Bill G.  Have a Great Day.  For myself being Christian is personal and I believe you demonstrate more by your actions than words, especially when you think no one else is paying attention.

Flyer, my Friend,

 

You say that I have tried to "push" the Christian faith on Chick.  Is telling folks about the Gospel and God's Word -- pushing it on them? 

 

It would appear that you agree with a Forum Friend who told us a while back, "If anyone wants to know about Jesus, he will ask me.  If he does not ask, I will not push my beliefs on him!"

 

My Friend, that is the perfect definition of a "couch potato" Christian!

 

Yet, when I read the Great Commission which Jesus Christ gave to ALL Christian believers -- "Go, Make disciples, Baptize them, TEACH them. . .  Be My witnesses in all the world"  (Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15) -- I do not see Jesus telling folks to just "sit on their couch" waiting for folks to come ask about Him.

 

Can you imagine how fast the Christian faith would have died out -- if the 120 disciples in the Upper Room on the Day of Pentecost 33 AD had all been "couch potato" Christians?

 

How many of we Gentiles would have become believers -- if the apostle Paul had decided to be a "couch potato" Christian -- and just wait for all the Gentiles to come and ask him about salvation through Jesus Christ?

 

No, my  Friend, I do not believe that Jesus Christ wanted it from the apostles, nor do I believe He wants it from us -- that we just sit on our butts waiting until someone asks.

 

But, if that is the way you roll -- God bless you!

 

Telling Chick, and others, that a person has to make a choice -- follow Christ or deny Christ -- and that this choice determines their eternal destiny, is not pushing them, it is just sharing the Truth of the Gospel with them.  And, they have the God-given choice to listen or to not listen.  That is called "sowing seeds" and ALL Christians are called to do that.

 

Chick keeps yelling the Bill Gray has condemned her to hell.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Neither Bill Gray, nor anyone else, not even God -- can condemn Chick to hell.  She is the only one who can do that.   All I have done is to tell her that she MUST make a choice.

 

Do you feel that Christians should not tell that to folks?  If so, then you must believe that the Great Commission is null and void.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,   Bill

 

Bill,  You turn more away that you attract with your "my way or the you're wrong" interpretation of scripture.  It is easier to talk like a Christian than act like one especially when no one is looking!

Flyer, my Friend,

 

Never do I say it is "Bill Gray's Way."   The only WAY is His Way -- and that is found in the Bible. 

 

Do you agree with the Great Commission"Go, Make disciples, Baptize them, TEACH them. . . Be My witnesses in all the world" (Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15)?

 

If so, please show me anywhere in the Great Commission that Jesus Christ tells us to just sit on our couch and wait for non-believers to come to us and ask about Him and salvation.   What I read in the Great Commission is;  GO!   Then, MAKE DISCIPLES!   Followed by TEACH THEM!   And, it closes with BY MY WITNESSES IN ALL THE WORLD!

 

Yes, I left out BAPTIZE THEM -- for it would be better if the new believer is baptized in his/her new local church fellowship family.  Make it a "family thing!" -- when the new believer is baptized by his/her new pastor in the presence of his/her new church fellowship family.  Baptism is just as important as the rest of the Great Commission -- I just personally like to rearrange it in order that the new believer gets a sense of family within his/her new family of God.

 

But, ALL of these speak of action -- not sitting on our butts, on our couch, waiting for someone to ask about Jesus.

 

Jesus Christ teaches us to love our fellow man; but, nowhere does He teach us that being their friend is more important than pointing them toward salvation, eternal life in Him.  Matter of fact, He tells us that the world will hate us because we share His Gospel. 

 

So, are you among those who hate believers for sharing His Gospel?  Or, are you one of us who WILL share His Gospel -- regardless of the hate?

 

Flyer, my Friend, do you agree with this?

 

 God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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