Religious nuts at it again

Who gives a rip what Keith Olberman says? He is nothing but hate and a liar for the left. Now I know where excelman gets all these crazy ideas.

The Triburapturists have not, evidently, read their T.S. Eliot: they are supposed to end with a whimper and not a bang, are they not?

Now that the far right is praying for rain,it looks it will be a GRAND OLE TIME for the DUMBOCRATS in denver!!!

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Originally posted by excelman:
Heard tonight on "Countdown" the worst person in the world was some guy who works for that nutcase preacher Dobson.
Now he is calling on the Dobsonites to all pray for rain in Denver the night Obama speaks in the arena. (to rain on his parade so to speak)
Not enough that half the country is in a drought, can't pray for those people.
When will we have enough of these kind of people?

Are you upset cause they're "praying for rain" or cause "Obama may get rained out?" Is yours a political view or a religious view? Just curious.

Clearly if it rains it's Bush's fault and not God's or the people praying.

Most of the country is praying for rain!
I don't get it

and I don't think James Dobson is a preacher
...or a nutcase

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Originally posted by AlabamaGal:

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Originally posted by excelman:
Heard tonight on "Countdown" the worst person in the world was some guy who works for that nutcase preacher Dobson.
Now he is calling on the Dobsonites to all pray for rain in Denver the night Obama speaks in the arena. (to rain on his parade so to speak)
Not enough that half the country is in a drought, can't pray for those people.
When will we have enough of these kind of people?

Are you upset cause they're "praying for rain" or cause "Obama may get rained out?" Is yours a political view or a religious view? Just curious.

I didn't say I was upset because they were praying for rain. Don't know whether they are or not.
What I find absolutely juvenile is that they have ask their deciples to pray for it to rain (out) Obama's acceptance speech at the convention.
You must not know that the Democrats have moved the location for Obama's acceptance speech to an outdoor arena because of the projected crowd of people who desire to attend.

Excel, I'm with you. That doesn't sound like a very Christian thing to do.

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Originally posted by Monette:
and I don't think James Dobson is a preacher
...or a nutcase

IMHO anybody , especilly some religious leader, who goes after a cartoon character beloved by millions of children , stating that the cartoon character is a homosexual spreading a homosexual agenda is clearly someone who is at best nuts, and at worse just plain crazy.
I have watched (too) many hours of Spongebob with my grandchildren , and if you think Spongebob is pushing a homosexual agenda, then you are seriously disturbed.
On the other hand, sponges are bi-sexual, so in the real scientific world, Dobson may be right, but a cartoon character ???? GIVE ME A BREAK.

He's about as bad as that goofball who tried to say Tinky Winky was gay because he carried a purse. Who was that? John Hagee? He's definitely a nut!

O no, not Spongebob??

Wasn't it Falwell that outed Tinky Winky? Or was he the one that outed Bert & Ernie?

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Originally posted by OkieDokie:
O no, not Spongebob??

Wasn't it Falwell that outed Tinky Winky? Or was he the one that outed Bert & Ernie?

Oh Bert and are Ernie have been out of the closet a long time.

Yep, it was Falwell.

The jury is still out on Patrick but I know Sandy Cheeks is flaming! LOL

LOL I love Spongebob.

Don't know about the Spongebob stuff, excel. I do listen to Dobson almost every morning and haven't heard that. Maybe he was referring to some of the gay writers of cartoons that may try to incorporate their 'agenda' subtlely in some cartoons. (Don't know)
Also, just because one person suggested that christians pray for rain to rain out someone's speech...doesn't mean everyone agrees with him or does what he says..there is no proof that Dobson agreed. I have heard of no such call for prayer. I think it is one of those things that the "Left" likes to grab on to and blow out of proportion. Don't lump all christians into the 'nut' stew.

Crow, thanks for the information. Bert & Ernie have held it together a long time, my grown up kids watched them and innocent us never even suspected they were a couple... in every sense of the word.

They weren't,Okie, until it became necessary to "educate" our kids on the fact that it's 'okie dokie' to be gay. So, now they have to use cartoons and puppets to get the message across..children's books, etc.

good grief charlie brown. i'm just glad my kids are grown.

LOL, HippieGirl...Me too
It was a lot easier bringing up my first two back in the 70's, when cartoons were only on Saturday mornings..and Capt. Kangaroo was King
They didn't know about gays probably until they were grown, (just like myself--think I was in highschool) Then, I thought, "Huh? Why??" LOL
oh, ignorance was bliss!

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Originally posted by Monette:
They weren't,Okie, until it became necessary to "educate" our kids on the fact that it's 'okie dokie' to be gay. So, now they have to use cartoons and puppets to get the message across..children's books, etc.

Sigh.

I just can't understand how folks like yourself get the idea that gay people choose to be gay and that if you just don't let children know that gay people exist or at least teach them that gay people are bad everything will be so much better.

Gay people don't make a choice, they simply discover that they are gay just like straight people discover that they are straight.

I have a friend who has Kleinfelter's Syndrome. People with Klinefelter's have XXY sex chromosomes instead of the normal XY, i.e., they are a mix of male and female influences. He also happens to be gay. He was actually relieved when he found out about his condition. It gave him a something to pin being gay on. It was sad, but this strange need by folks like you to make people like my friend feel like they are bad, immoral, etc. I simply can't grok. Isn't there enough crappiness in the world without adding to it?

Logical, once again you are the voice of reason.

Logical & Crow, I was attempting to be facetious in my postings re Bert & Ernie. I have never understood why we as a people are so concerned about what 2 consenting adults do and even turn to violence and think it is justified and yet condone war.What is that about? Why?

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Originally posted by OkieDokie:
Logical & Crow, I was attempting to be facetious in my postings re Bert & Ernie. I have never understood why we as a people are so concerned about what 2 consenting adults do and even turn to violence and think it is justified and yet condone war.What is that about? Why?

Your post seemed lighthearted to me and I had no issue with it. However, I believe Monette was quite serious.

Real, decent people get hurt by such attitudes.

Logical, what I am trying to say is, I don't think it is necessary to teach preschoolers
such things; preschoolers don't need to know what goes on in folk's bedrooms..homo or hetero
I know there are persons with genetic/chromosonal disorders which are not their fault. I sympathize with them. But there are others who experiment and make their own choices. God calls it "confusion" and I think that is what it is for children. They are thrown off track as to what God originally intended the family to be.

Logical, I also consider it confusing for my own child to grow up in a single parent home.
God did not intend for there to be divorces, etc. So, therefore, I am including my own circumstances as not perfect and not the way God intended. In a perfect world every child would have a father and mother who loves them, lives in the same house, and contributes to their upbringing.

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Originally posted by OkieDokie:
Logical & Crow, I was attempting to be facetious in my postings re Bert & Ernie. I have never understood why we as a people are so concerned about what 2 consenting adults do and even turn to violence and think it is justified and yet condone war.What is that about? Why?

Yep Okie - no problem with your post at all. I caught the humor.

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I know there are persons with genetic/chromosonal disorders which are not their fault. I sympathize with them. But there are others who experiment and make their own choices. God calls it "confusion" . . . .

Geez, that is about the most patronizing thing I have read in a long time! Sister, get the beam out of thy eye, and walk a mile in Billy Joe Gaither's shoes before he was dragged behind a truck in Sylacagua and then burned alive. I am sure that being the town homosexual gave him a lot of pleasure in life, painful and short as it was.

I hereby denounce all green eyed people, their green eyed agenda must be stopped, their so-called "marriages" are ending civilization as we know it, and we are likely to be speaking French or German before we know it! What next? Dogs in restaurants? Cast them out, those green eyed agents of Satan! My preacher told me and I was "brung up that way," so it must be true! Now, of course, there are some poor genetic sports of nature, upon whom we must take pity and give them dark or blue colored contacts, so that no one need ever know the eye color that dares not speak its name. Most of them can pass, if they just try hard enough and not flaunt their perversion in my holy brown eyed face.

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Sister, get the beam out of thy eye

Neal, I'll get the beam out of my eye when you get the croutons out of yours!

Neal, In case you didn't read this on another thread..................
You know, since I first visited this forum..with no thoughts of homosexuals even remotely in my mind...all I have seen is the homosexuals flaunting their "sexuality" in everyones face, pretty much saying, 'you have to accept me or your are mean'...Now, if they had never mentioned their 'lifestyle' how could anyone have criticized them? I did not come on saying, 'Hey, you guys, I am hetero, and you better like it or you are a heterophob!!!
And, btw, where does the "phob" come from? What is there to be afraid of?? I think everyone should keep their sexuality in the closet. Our sex lives should be personal, not on public display. If the homosexuals weren't in everyone's face maybe people would be less vocal about it.

I have lots of gay friends and none of them seem confused at all.

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Originally posted by Monette:
Logical, what I am trying to say is, I don't think it is necessary to teach preschoolers
such things; preschoolers don't need to know what goes on in folk's bedrooms..homo or hetero
I know there are persons with genetic/chromosonal disorders which are not their fault. I sympathize with them. But there are others who experiment and make their own choices. God calls it "confusion" and I think that is what it is for children. They are thrown off track as to what God originally intended the family to be.

I don't believe most folks want pre-schoolers taught about any kind of sex. One can explain the existence homosexuality to a child without going into sexual details. It seems rather simple to me. While most people fall in love with people of the opposite sex, some people are born different and fall in love people of the same sex. God makes people differently.

Pretty much everyone makes their own choices. I haven't met a single gay person who made a conscious choice to be gay. Neither have I met a single straight person who made a conscious choice to be straight. God doesn't call it "confusion", people do. Gay people are not any more or less confused than straight people. Gay people are merely an artifact of creation. God knows this, he designed it. :-)

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Originally posted by Monette:
Logical, I also consider it confusing for my own child to grow up in a single parent home.
God did not intend for there to be divorces, etc. So, therefore, I am including my own circumstances as not perfect and not the way God intended. In a perfect world every child would have a father and mother who loves them, lives in the same house, and contributes to their upbringing.

I share your wish that every child could have a mother and father who loves them, lives in the same house, and contributes to their upbringing. Barring that, however, a single loving parent, or two loving gay parents are quite acceptable to me.

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acceptable to me.

Acceptable to YOU...but for the child it will cause confusion, when he/she sees the other children have a mother and father. Things are tough enough on kids these days without them having to explain their parents sexual orientation...and especially when they are too young to have to understand or deal with it themselves. That's why I think the Bible says it's "confusion"

Unlike the Daily Kossacks who prayed that Tony snow went to hell, cheered on Novak's brain tumor and tried to make bets on who the next conservative pundit to suffer brain cancer would be, the man only prayed for a bit of rain to dampen the spirits for an outdoor speech. I realize the left no longer has a moral compass to tell the difference in severity in such actions. However, most of the rest of the country does.

The pray request was later withdrawn, as unchristian.

Right on, HR

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Originally posted by Monette:
Logical, I also consider it confusing for my own child to grow up in a single parent home.
God did not intend for there to be divorces, etc. So, therefore, I am including my own circumstances as not perfect and not the way God intended. In a perfect world every child would have a father and mother who loves them, lives in the same house, and contributes to their upbringing.

You are so right Monet. It has to do with the children. The adults can do what they want because they can't be stopped anyway; but they need to think of the children and what influences are put on them and how it affects them. Flaunting their believes on them is not the right structure for our children's growth to be who they were intended to be.
Glad you are back. A warrior for the children's rights. Thanks for being there.

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Originally posted by drdj:

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Originally posted by Monette:
Logical, I also consider it confusing for my own child to grow up in a single parent home.
God did not intend for there to be divorces, etc. So, therefore, I am including my own circumstances as not perfect and not the way God intended. In a perfect world every child would have a father and mother who loves them, lives in the same house, and contributes to their upbringing.

You are so right Monet. It has to do with the children. The adults can do what they want because they can't be stopped anyway; but they need to think of the children and what influences are put on them and how it affects them. Flaunting their believes on them is not the right structure for our children's growth to be who they were intended to be.
Glad you are back. A warrior for the children's rights. Thanks for being there.

Thanks, drdj...I try

Those who wish to learn the TRUTH about the lamentable James Dobson should get hold of the definitive book on that subject" "James Dobson's War on America" by Gil Alexander-Moegerle. Dobson in real life is a far cry from the packaged and anointed version you might be familiar with!

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Gay people are merely an artifact of creation. God knows this, he designed it. :-)

i personally don't believe that God would have created anything that He called an "abomination" Leviticus 18:22. that is my reason for believing it is not a birthright, but a lifestyle.