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The affairs of Reagan and the conservatives who went after Clinton

Ronald Reagan was revered by conservatives - even to the sickening point of naming a building and airport after him in Washington, D.C. But how many know about Reagan’s extramarital affairs, including how he reportedly had sex with mistress Christine Larson as Nancy Reagan gave birth to daughter Patti? Or that he was regularly known to engage in extramarital sex with various Hollywood wannabe actresses? 22

How many know about Nancy Reagan alleged intimate affair with Frank Sinatra in the White House? 23

Remember how much the media played up Monica Lewinsky’s blow jobs and Paula Jones’ sexual harassment lawsuit against Clinton in the 1990s, while ignoring or downplaying extramarital activities by the hypocritical Republicans who served on Clinton’s impeachment committee like Henry Hyde and Bob Barr?

Hyde, who chaired that committee, had an affair of his own for about five years with the married Cherie Snodgrass in the late 1960s. Hyde, who was in his 40s and a married Illinois state representative with four kids when he had the affair, didn’t deny the relationship. But he said, “The statute of limitations has long since passed on my youthful indiscretions.” Of course, for Republicans, anything they do under age 50 falls under the category of “youthful indiscretions.” 24

Snodgrass’ husband, Fred, told Salon.com that Hyde was a “hypocrite who broke up my family.” Cherie declined to talk to Salon, but her daughter said, “She knows she wasn’t his first [mistress], and she wasn’t his last. She hates his anti-abortion stuff and all the family values stuff. She thinks he’s bad for the country, he’s too powerful, and he’s hypocritical.” 25

Barr, the hypocritical author of “The Defense of Marriage Act,” had an affair while still married to Gail Barr and married Jeri Dobbin a month after the divorce became final in 1986, according to testimony in the divorce case. Neither Barr nor Dobbin denied having the affair when asked about it repeatedly. 26

Then in 1992, Barr licked whipped cream off the chests of “two buxom women” during a Leukemia Society charity event. The Washington Post asked him if he would “engage in such conduct if he had it do to all over again.”

“Heavens no!” he replied. “It was a charity event ... and people were having a good time.” 27

But Barr reportedly did “engage in such conduct,” right during the time when he piously criticized Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky. Kevin Jeys of the Chico Examiner wrote that Barr slipped away from his wife in 1998 to lick whipped cream off the breasts of another lap dancer at a D.C. bachelor’s party. This came after Barr told The Post he would not do that again. 28

Contrast the way Republicans reacted to Clinton’s affairs with that of fellow Republican Congressman Bob Livingston, who they chose as House Speaker in late 1998, only to learn Livingston had affairs of his own. CNN reported that Livingston’s confession, which only came after publications like Roll Call reported Livingston’s affairs, “that he had been unfaithful to his wife drew first gasps, and then a standing ovation and declarations of support from Republicans at a closed-door caucus.” 29

So the message was if you have an affair and you’re a Democrat, you get impeached. But if you have an affair and you’re a Republican, you get applause and support.

Other conservative hypocrites who castigated Clinton for sins they committed themselves included Congressman Dan Burton, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, presidential candidate Bob Dole, and Sen. Strom Thurmond.

Burton, who once called Clinton a “scumbag” in the midst of the public sexual witch hunt, admitted during the 1998 proceedings against Clinton that he had an extramarital affair and fathered a child out of wedlock when he was a state senator in the 1980s. Burton said on PBS, “This is something that happened a long time ago.....The boy and the mother and my wife and my family and I have all reached an agreement about this a long time ago.” 30


Schwarzenegger’s campaign responded to one accuser the usual way Republicans do - with another lie. The campaign sent an email to the media suggesting that Hollywood stuntwoman Rhonda Miller had an extensive criminal background. The Los Angeles Times reported that Miller did not - it was someone with the same name who had the criminal record. Miller said Schwarzenegger groped her on a movie set in 1991, pulling up her shirt and photographing and touching her breasts as she fought him. 5

Bush and Rove told their own lies about supposedly staying out of the recall effort and not hypocritically supporting the adulterer and criminal. Bush advisers met with Schwarzenegger as early as 2001 to get him to run for governor. Rove himself met with the groper in early 2003. Before the recall, proponents and representatives of potential Republican candidates met at the Los Angeles office of Gerry Parsky, Bush’s top California adviser, to discuss the effort. 6

So much for Republican family values.


The Bush affairs

There is no shortage of stories on the Internet about alleged extramarital affairs involving the Bush clan. But for whatever reason, including that the media was owned by conservatives, they were not popularly known.

Besides the Schoedinger case, Bush Jr. was linked to a 39-year-old Texas woman, Tammy Phillips. The former stripper was quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an 18-month affair with Bush that had ended in June 1999, while Bush campaigned for the presidency. 7

Phillips said she was introduced to then-Texas Gov. Bush by her Republican uncle in Dec. 1997 during a political event in Midland, Tx. She said that she and Bush, who married Laura Bush two decades before, made “passionate love” that very day.

However, that raised a red flag right there. I can’t see the attention-challenged Bush making “passionate love” to anyone, unless such was defined as lasting ten seconds or less. The Enquirer also said that the uncle disputed introducing Bush and Phillips, who I could not reach for comment.


Republican cheaters go way back in history

The list of prominent Republicans who cheated on their spouses went way back in American history.

James Garfield, who was president from 1880 to 1884, reportedly had an extramarital affair with Lucia Calhoun in the 1860s. His wife, Lucretia, discovered the liaison and made him choose between staying married or getting a divorce. Garfield chose to say married. 37

Warren Harding was more than the Republican president who presided over the scandalous, bribe-taking Teapot Dome administration in the early 1920s that ranked with the Bush Jr. one for the most corrupt in American history. Harding had numerous extramarital affairs, including with Nan Britton, who was 31 years younger than him. In fact, Britton bore Harding a child one year before he won the presidency. 38

Harding and Britton had sex in White House closets, bathrooms, and offices, even as Harding’s wife, Florence, remained in other parts of the White House. 39

Britton was not the only extramarital relationship that Harding, who died in office of a heart attack, had in the White House. In fact, Carrie Phillips, who had been a German sympathizer during World War I, attempted to blackmail Harding and was paid hush money by the Republican Party. 40


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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
What do you have against God, anyway?



What do you have against God, anyway?

First of all, what would make you ask such a silly question? The only people that I can think of that would ask such a silly question is some stupid jerk like yourself that is so naive and behind times and have no idea what's going on. The only people that I can think of again, that would ask silly questions like yourself, are the conservative religious right, from the so-called God party that claims to have morals and values. And we know that God party is conservatives like yourself, from the republican right wing GOP party. You don't know me from the man in the moon. As you said, take a look at yourself. Read the Bible. I read it every night and I pray every night. Yes, I do believe in God. Just think about it. I may sit beside you on the church bench every Sunday.
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Originally posted by Maynard J. Keenan:
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Originally posted by pba:
This says alot for Republican family values.


You say a lot about the intellect of liberals.

So Reagan got a little tang on the side....so what.




So Reagan got a little tang on the side....so what. You just made my point!! So did Bill Clinton!! But you right wingers made a big deal of that huh?
PBA doesnt know his/her *** from a hole in the groung . eagan is an American hero
At the end of his two terms in office, Ronald Reagan viewed with satisfaction the achievements of his innovative program known as the Reagan Revolution, which aimed to reinvigorate the American people and reduce their reliance upon Government. He felt he had fulfilled his campaign pledge of 1980 to restore "the great, confident roar of American progress and growth and optimism."

On February 6, 1911, Ronald Wilson Reagan was born to Nelle and John Reagan in Tampico, Illinois. He attended high school in nearby Dixon and then worked his way through Eureka College. There, he studied economics and sociology, played on the football team, and acted in school plays. Upon graduation, he became a radio sports announcer. A screen test in 1937 won him a contract in Hollywood. During the next two decades he appeared in 53 films.

From his first marriage to actress Jane Wyman, he had two children, Maureen and Michael. Maureen passed away in 2001. In 1952 he married Nancy Davis, who was also an actress, and they had two children, Patricia Ann and Ronald Prescott.





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As president of the Screen Actors Guild, Reagan became embroiled in disputes over the issue of Communism in the film industry; his political views shifted from liberal to conservative. He toured the country as a television host, becoming a spokesman for conservatism. In 1966 he was elected Governor of California by a margin of a million votes; he was re-elected in 1970.

Ronald Reagan won the Republican Presidential nomination in 1980 and chose as his running mate former Texas Congressman and United Nations Ambassador George Bush. Voters troubled by inflation and by the year-long confinement of Americans in Iran swept the Republican ticket into office. Reagan won 489 electoral votes to 49 for President Jimmy Carter.

On January 20, 1981, Reagan took office. Only 69 days later he was shot by a would-be assassin, but quickly recovered and returned to duty. His grace and wit during the dangerous incident caused his popularity to soar.

Dealing skillfully with Congress, Reagan obtained legislation to stimulate economic growth, curb inflation, increase employment, and strengthen national defense. He embarked upon a course of cutting taxes and Government expenditures, refusing to deviate from it when the strengthening of defense forces led to a large deficit.

A renewal of national self-confidence by 1984 helped Reagan and Bush win a second term with an unprecedented number of electoral votes. Their victory turned away Democratic challengers Walter F. Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro.

In 1986 Reagan obtained an overhaul of the income tax code, which eliminated many deductions and exempted millions of people with low incomes. At the end of his administration, the Nation was enjoying its longest recorded period of peacetime prosperity without recession or depression.

In foreign policy, Reagan sought to achieve "peace through strength." During his two terms he increased defense spending 35 percent, but sought to improve relations with the Soviet Union. In dramatic meetings with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, he negotiated a treaty that would eliminate intermediate-range nuclear missiles. Reagan declared war against international terrorism, sending American bombers against Libya after evidence came out that Libya was involved in an attack on American soldiers in a West Berlin nightclub.

By ordering naval escorts in the Persian Gulf, he maintained the free flow of oil during the Iran-Iraq war. In keeping with the Reagan Doctrine, he gave support to anti-Communist insurgencies in Central America, Asia, and Africa.

Overall, the Reagan years saw a restoration of prosperity, and the goal of peace through strength seemed to be within grasp.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
What do you have against God, anyway?



What do you have against God, anyway?

First of all, what would make you ask such a silly question? The only people that I can think of that would ask such a silly question is some stupid jerk like yourself that is so naive and behind times and have no idea what's going on. The only people that I can think of again, that would ask silly questions like yourself, are the conservative religious right, from the so-called God party that claims to have morals and values. And we know that God party is conservatives like yourself, from the republican right wing GOP party. You don't know me from the man in the moon. As you said, take a look at yourself. Read the Bible. I read it every night and I pray every night. Yes, I do believe in God. Just think about it. I may sit beside you on the church bench every Sunday.


Where do we begin? First, You're right, I do not know you from the man in the moon. But yet you call me a stupid jerk. Okay, I'll give you the jerk part. I am a jerk to those who should know better. To call me stupid is a contradiction to what you were preaching to me about not knowing you. And trust me, if I am stupid, then read all of the discussions we have had and tell me where you fall in.

Now, allow me to say this as plain and as much in English as I can. I AM NOT A MEMBER OF ANY PARTY!!!!! THAT IS THIS COUNTRY'S PROBLEM!!!!! Now, hopefully that will completely sink in before your next post.

Lastly, I do read the bible and I pray. Ever heard of praying to your belly? Yes, I believe in God. I also have a personal relationship with Him. And I doubt very seriously you sit beside me "on the church bench" every Sunday. I doubt you sit on any "church bench" from what I gather from your attitude towards Christians.
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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
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Originally posted by pba:
quote:
Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
What do you have against God, anyway?



What do you have against God, anyway?

First of all, what would make you ask such a silly question? The only people that I can think of that would ask such a silly question is some stupid jerk like yourself that is so naive and behind times and have no idea what's going on. The only people that I can think of again, that would ask silly questions like yourself, are the conservative religious right, from the so-called God party that claims to have morals and values. And we know that God party is conservatives like yourself, from the republican right wing GOP party. You don't know me from the man in the moon. As you said, take a look at yourself. Read the Bible. I read it every night and I pray every night. Yes, I do believe in God. Just think about it. I may sit beside you on the church bench every Sunday.


Where do we begin? First, You're right, I do not know you from the man in the moon. But yet you call me a stupid jerk. Okay, I'll give you the jerk part. I am a jerk to those who should know better. To call me stupid is a contradiction to what you were preaching to me about not knowing you. And trust me, if I am stupid, then read all of the discussions we have had and tell me where you fall in.

Now, allow me to say this as plain and as much in English as I can. I AM NOT A MEMBER OF ANY PARTY!!!!! THAT IS THIS COUNTRY'S PROBLEM!!!!! Now, hopefully that will completely sink in before your next post.

Lastly, I do read the bible and I pray. Ever heard of praying to your belly? Yes, I believe in God. I also have a personal relationship with Him. And I doubt very seriously you sit beside me "on the church bench" every Sunday. I doubt you sit on any "church bench" from what I gather from your attitude towards Christians.



I have no problem with true christians! I do have a problem with fake christians like yourself!! Read how you come across to people that you disagree with. You judge me and don't even think about your own wrongs or sins. You disagree with me that is ok,but to disagree and call me someone that is against God is wrong! There is hate groups out there that claim they walk in the light of God.If you hate you will not make it to heaven. Just because you say you are a true christian does not make you one. You got to do the walk as well as the talk brother!

I do want to point out that you and a few others get upset with me. When I point out Things about the bad right wing republican's like Foley and the other senator that got caught in the restroom on his knees not for God but something other. My Question to you why do you take up for these types? Is because they are of your party and you want to keep making folks think that your party don't have evil folks too? I would really like to know in your terms what is a true christian. If you go to church then you must sleep during service because you don't know your bible.
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All political parties have good and bad people.... smart and not-so-smart people.

All churches have good and bad people..... sincere people and not-so-sincere (fake) people.

All forums have intelligent posters and not-so-intelligent posters.

Pba, when you actually type a response to someone, your posts read like a fifth grade book report. Your posts are like a bad train wreck. Everyone just can't help but take a look. But NO ONE takes you seriously. You copy and paste articles and then you don't have the intellect to back up what you post.

Let me make something very clear. I don't care who is right wing or who is left wing. I don't care who goes to church and who doesn't. But I do care who floods this forum with idiotic spam.

This board is full of liberal left wingers, but do you notice that NONE OF THEM EVER BACK YOU UP OR AGREE WITH YOU. That is because you embarrass us. You are a joke.

Congratulations, you are approaching your 5000th post of retard drivel.
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Originally posted by pba:I have no problem with true christians! I do have a problem with fake christians like yourself!! Read how you come across to people that you disagree with. You judge me and don't even think about your own wrongs or sins. You disagree with me that is ok,but to disagree and call me someone that is against God is wrong! There is hate groups out there that claim they walk in the light of God.If you hate you will not make it to heaven. Just because you say you are a true christian does not make you one. You got to do the walk as well as the talk brother!

I do want to point out that you and a few others get upset with me. When I point out Things about the bad right wing republican's like Foley and the other senator that got caught in the restroom on his knees not for God but something other. My Question to you why do you take up for these types? Is because they are of your party and you want to keep making folks think that your party don't have evil folks too? I would really like to know in your terms what is a true christian. If you go to church then you must sleep during service because you don't know your bible.


Well, part of me just wants to walk away smiling but... Well, "...fake Christians like yourself!!" but then you say "You judge me and don't even think about your own wrongs or sins." Yet again PBA, you contradict yourself. You get on here and you go on a cut and paste rant and you start dogging all Christians by grouping them into the "GOD party". So, at that moment you pass judgement. You tell me that I take up for Foley and Senator Craig and just then is the first I have typed their names, much less taken up for them. I tell you previously that I am not a member of any party but you still say "Is it because they are of your party and you want to keep making folks think that your party don't have evil folks too?". So, for you to say that I judge you and to call me a fake Christian is hypocracy on your part. I just call it by the fruit you bear.

I don't hate you. I don't really care for your attitude and the way you judge me and others like me. I am not a member of some hate group. Trust me, I walk the walk just as I talk the talk. There is no doubt. I know I will go to heaven when I die.

And yes, I read my bible. That is why I can't figure out what it has to do with your reply. A true Christian: John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 about covers it. If you want me to ellaborate, let me know. And, the only thing I usually catch myself sleeping through is your posts.
PBA,
Since you are the moral authority on this forum then please tell me who you will be voting for in the presidential election next fall. However, if after all this moral mumbo jumbo you've been spouting you have the audacity to say Hilary Clinton, Barack osama Obama, or John Edwards then I will have to make a motion that you are forever restricted from posting here again.
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Originally posted by Maynard J. Keenan:
All political parties have good and bad people.... smart and not-so-smart people.

All churches have good and bad people..... sincere people and not-so-sincere (fake) people.

All forums have intelligent posters and not-so-intelligent posters.

Pba, when you actually type a response to someone, your posts read like a fifth grade book report. Your posts are like a bad train wreck. Everyone just can't help but take a look. But NO ONE takes you seriously. You copy and paste articles and then you don't have the intellect to back up what you post.

Let me make something very clear. I don't care who is right wing or who is left wing. I don't care who goes to church and who doesn't. But I do care who floods this forum with idiotic spam.

This board is full of liberal left wingers, but do you notice that NONE OF THEM EVER BACK YOU UP OR AGREE WITH YOU. That is because you embarrass us. You are a joke.

Congratulations, you are approaching your 5000th post of retard drivel.



If you have a problem with me it might be nice for us to meet face to face and talk it over coffee. I have a real problem with jerks like you who hide under another name! So let have coffee!! I WILL BUY!!
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
PBA,
Since you are the moral authority on this forum then please tell me who you will be voting for in the presidential election next fall. However, if after all this moral mumbo jumbo you've been spouting you have the audacity to say Hilary Clinton, Barack osama Obama, or John Edwards then I will have to make a motion that you are forever restricted from posting here again.




See you're just another one who hides under another name!! Come out come out who ever you are!!lolAnd you are such a dumb butt from Tenn if you think that you control the board. Yep, you and a few others would love to stop people like me Ed, Pogo,and others in here from posting our views so you could keep the other dumb folks from reading it and learning something they didn't know.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
PBA,
Since you are the moral authority on this forum then please tell me who you will be voting for in the presidential election next fall. However, if after all this moral mumbo jumbo you've been spouting you have the audacity to say Hilary Clinton, Barack osama Obama, or John Edwards then I will have to make a motion that you are forever restricted from posting here again.




See you're just another one who hides under another name!! Come out come out who ever you are!!lol


But PBA, you avoided the question....who are you going to vote for? Come on...tell us who YOU think would make a great president.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
PBA,
Since you are the moral authority on this forum then please tell me who you will be voting for in the presidential election next fall. However, if after all this moral mumbo jumbo you've been spouting you have the audacity to say Hilary Clinton, Barack osama Obama, or John Edwards then I will have to make a motion that you are forever restricted from posting here again.




See you're just another one who hides under another name!! Come out come out who ever you are!!lol


But PBA, you avoided the question....who are you going to vote for? Come on...tell us who YOU think would make a great president.



Why don't you tell me? I have not seen anyone yet that is worth voting for from the republican side or democrat.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
PBA,
Since you are the moral authority on this forum then please tell me who you will be voting for in the presidential election next fall. However, if after all this moral mumbo jumbo you've been spouting you have the audacity to say Hilary Clinton, Barack osama Obama, or John Edwards then I will have to make a motion that you are forever restricted from posting here again.




See you're just another one who hides under another name!! Come out come out who ever you are!!lol


But PBA, you avoided the question....who are you going to vote for? Come on...tell us who YOU think would make a great president.



Why don't you tell me? I have not seen anyone yet that is worth voting for from the republican side or democrat.


No, no, no...No more of avoiding the issue. You are supposed to name an individual that YOU think would make a good president. Somebody that has declared they are in the running for that office. Come on, you can profess what's wrong with the republicans for post after post...lay off of that drivel for a while and tell us who YOU are going to support and vote for to be the next President of the United States.
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Originally posted by T S C:
PBA, who all is invited to this coffee meeting? I'd love to go, and I'd even buy my own cuppa java.

Also, I too would like to know who you are supporting for upcoming Presidential primaries and election. Who is it?



I think we better keep it just between me and Nash.I think its none of your bussiness who i support! Why don't you share which pub you are voting for. Wait I know already! Its Fred!
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
PBA,
Since you are the moral authority on this forum then please tell me who you will be voting for in the presidential election next fall. However, if after all this moral mumbo jumbo you've been spouting you have the audacity to say Hilary Clinton, Barack osama Obama, or John Edwards then I will have to make a motion that you are forever restricted from posting here again.




See you're just another one who hides under another name!! Come out come out who ever you are!!lol


But PBA, you avoided the question....who are you going to vote for? Come on...tell us who YOU think would make a great president.



Why don't you tell me? I have not seen anyone yet that is worth voting for from the republican side or democrat.


No, no, no...No more of avoiding the issue. You are supposed to name an individual that YOU think would make a good president. Somebody that has declared they are in the running for that office. Come on, you can profess what's wrong with the republicans for post after post...lay off of that drivel for a while and tell us who YOU are going to support and vote for to be the next President of the United States.



Why don't you name one of your pubs. After all your pubs need to stay off their knees in airport restrooms!
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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:I have no problem with true christians! I do have a problem with fake christians like yourself!! Read how you come across to people that you disagree with. You judge me and don't even think about your own wrongs or sins. You disagree with me that is ok,but to disagree and call me someone that is against God is wrong! There is hate groups out there that claim they walk in the light of God.If you hate you will not make it to heaven. Just because you say you are a true christian does not make you one. You got to do the walk as well as the talk brother!

I do want to point out that you and a few others get upset with me. When I point out Things about the bad right wing republican's like Foley and the other senator that got caught in the restroom on his knees not for God but something other. My Question to you why do you take up for these types? Is because they are of your party and you want to keep making folks think that your party don't have evil folks too? I would really like to know in your terms what is a true christian. If you go to church then you must sleep during service because you don't know your bible.


Well, part of me just wants to walk away smiling but... Well, "...fake Christians like yourself!!" but then you say "You judge me and don't even think about your own wrongs or sins." Yet again PBA, you contradict yourself. You get on here and you go on a cut and paste rant and you start dogging all Christians by grouping them into the "GOD party". So, at that moment you pass judgement. You tell me that I take up for Foley and Senator Craig and just then is the first I have typed their names, much less taken up for them. I tell you previously that I am not a member of any party but you still say "Is it because they are of your party and you want to keep making folks think that your party don't have evil folks too?". So, for you to say that I judge you and to call me a fake Christian is hypocracy on your part. I just call it by the fruit you bear.

I don't hate you. I don't really care for your attitude and the way you judge me and others like me. I am not a member of some hate group. Trust me, I walk the walk just as I talk the talk. There is no doubt. I know I will go to heaven when I die.

And yes, I read my bible. That is why I can't figure out what it has to do with your reply. A true Christian: John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 about covers it. If you want me to ellaborate, let me know. And, the only thing I usually catch myself sleeping through is your posts.



I don't really care for your attitude and the way you judge me and others like me. You do the same dude!You try to twist words and others like you do the same. You come at me with attacks and not debates. You try to plant a seed in peoples head by asking why am I against God when I am not. Sorry, I seen through you and others long ago. You say you are not for either party but you have always leaned toward the far right wing side of things. This is a message board and if you do not like the views of my post then don't read the **** thing. its that easy instead of you trying to control the board like a few others on here. You,Nash,Sassy and your little gang of folks who P.M. one another to gang up on me and others will not work. we are on to you and so is TD!

You say >>>the only thing I usually catch myself sleeping through is your posts.<<<

Why are you so dumb? Dude don't read it then!
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
PBA,
Since you are the moral authority on this forum then please tell me who you will be voting for in the presidential election next fall. However, if after all this moral mumbo jumbo you've been spouting you have the audacity to say Hilary Clinton, Barack osama Obama, or John Edwards then I will have to make a motion that you are forever restricted from posting here again.




See you're just another one who hides under another name!! Come out come out who ever you are!!lol


But PBA, you avoided the question....who are you going to vote for? Come on...tell us who YOU think would make a great president.



Why don't you tell me? I have not seen anyone yet that is worth voting for from the republican side or democrat.


No, no, no...No more of avoiding the issue. You are supposed to name an individual that YOU think would make a good president. Somebody that has declared they are in the running for that office. Come on, you can profess what's wrong with the republicans for post after post...lay off of that drivel for a while and tell us who YOU are going to support and vote for to be the next President of the United States.



Why don't you name one of your pubs. After all your pubs need to stay off their knees in airport restrooms!


Quit avoiding the issue. Who do YOU recommend and support for the next Presidential election. No more smoke and mirrors...no more distractions....no more naming who wouldn't make a good leader...confess up...who do YOU support?
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Originally posted by pba:
I don't really care for your attitude and the way you judge me and others like me. You do the same dude!You try to twist words and others like you do the same. You come at me with attacks and not debates. You try to plant a seed in peoples head by asking why am I against God when I am not. Sorry, I seen through you and others long ago. You say you are not for either party but you have always leaned toward the far right wing side of things. This is a message board and if you do not like the views of my post then don't read the **** thing. its that easy instead of you trying to control the board like a few others on here. You,Nash,Sassy and your little gang of folks who P.M. one another to gang up on me and others will not work. we are on to you and so is TD!


I do not judge you like I have said before. I see the fruits you bear. I have yet to see where I have twisted your words. I don't care what anyone else does but I have not twisted your words. I also do not see where I have attacked you. I have asked you to explain things and prove your point. That is far from attack. I only asked you what you had against God, I never said you were. All you had to do was answer the question.

I will say once again, I am not a member of either party. I do lean to the right but not the far right. BUT, that does not make me a Republican or Democrat. As far as this being a message board and not liking the views you post, well, don't copy and paste if you don't want a response. That, my friend, is a two way street.

And I am, in no way, trying to control the board. Trust me, I respect everybody on here and their freedom to speak their opinion, even you. But if I don't agree with someone on something I have a right to post it. Just as if someone does not agree with me, they have a right to say so. If I don't want someone to disagree with me, I don't have to post.

I also do not PM anyone about you. If I am lying, I pray God strikes me dead. I don't need anyone else on this board to debate you. I am very capable of holding my own as I have proven. The fact of the matter is you can't hold your own in a debate, argument or whatever you want to call it, so you
revert to posts like this or ones where you call people out to "have coffee". And you and who else are on to me? TD is on to me? Okay. What next then?
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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
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Originally posted by pba:
I don't really care for your attitude and the way you judge me and others like me. You do the same dude!You try to twist words and others like you do the same. You come at me with attacks and not debates. You try to plant a seed in peoples head by asking why am I against God when I am not. Sorry, I seen through you and others long ago. You say you are not for either party but you have always leaned toward the far right wing side of things. This is a message board and if you do not like the views of my post then don't read the **** thing. its that easy instead of you trying to control the board like a few others on here. You,Nash,Sassy and your little gang of folks who P.M. one another to gang up on me and others will not work. we are on to you and so is TD!


I do not judge you like I have said before. I see the fruits you bear. I have yet to see where I have twisted your words. I don't care what anyone else does but I have not twisted your words. I also do not see where I have attacked you. I have asked you to explain things and prove your point. That is far from attack. I only asked you what you had against God, I never said you were. All you had to do was answer the question.

I will say once again, I am not a member of either party. I do lean to the right but not the far right. BUT, that does not make me a Republican or Democrat. As far as this being a message board and not liking the views you post, well, don't copy and paste if you don't want a response. That, my friend, is a two way street.

And I am, in no way, trying to control the board. Trust me, I respect everybody on here and their freedom to speak their opinion, even you. But if I don't agree with someone on something I have a right to post it. Just as if someone does not agree with me, they have a right to say so. If I don't want someone to disagree with me, I don't have to post.

I also do not PM anyone about you. If I am lying, I pray God strikes me dead. I don't need anyone else on this board to debate you. I am very capable of holding my own as I have proven. The fact of the matter is you can't hold your own in a debate, argument or whatever you want to call it, so you
revert to posts like this or ones where you call people out to "have coffee". And you and who else are on to me? TD is on to me? Okay. What next then?



You say things that don't add up and I think you need to go back and read some of your replies to me and others as well. If you disagree with someone you don't have to be a smart ass like yourself to agree or disagree! humor is good but trying to cut someone down because he posted something for you to read and share with you is another thing. I don't agree with every post I post but like to get others views as to what they think before adding my thoughts.I think we need to just drop it and go back to the topic, we always need to stick to the topic. Most conservatives take people away from the topic by attacks and such thing that you and others do to get folks side track and hope they will not read the topic.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
PBA,

you still haven't told us who YOU are going to support.




(reposted for the benefit of those with slower connections and computers that refuse to cooperate)


Larry Craig's bathroom behavior and the right wing -- then and now
(updated below - updated again)

The reaction to the Larry Craig story provides one of the most vivid illustrations yet of how the right-wing movement works. Last October, just weeks before the midterm election, gay activist Mike Rogers reported that the married, GOP "family values" Senator repeatedly had sex with anonymous men in public bathrooms. His report was based on "extensive research
Craig Endorses Romney's Family Values
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/051710.php
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
PBA,

you still haven't told us who YOU are going to support.




(reposted for the benefit of those with slower connections and computers that refuse to cooperate)


Larry Craig's bathroom behavior and the right wing -- then and now
(updated below - updated again)

The reaction to the Larry Craig story provides one of the most vivid illustrations yet of how the right-wing movement works. Last October, just weeks before the midterm election, gay activist Mike Rogers reported that the married, GOP "family values" Senator repeatedly had sex with anonymous men in public bathrooms. His report was based on "extensive research
Craig Endorses Romney's Family Values
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/051710.php


Reposting your own posts again?

Quit dodging the question....who do you endorse as the next President of the United States????
The affairs of Reagan and the conservatives who went after Clinton

Ronald Reagan was revered by conservatives - even to the sickening point of naming a building and airport after him in Washington, D.C. But how many know about Reagan’s extramarital affairs, including how he reportedly had sex with mistress Christine Larson as Nancy Reagan gave birth to daughter Patti? Or that he was regularly known to engage in extramarital sex with various Hollywood wannabe actresses? 22

How many know about Nancy Reagan alleged intimate affair with Frank Sinatra in the White House? 23

Remember how much the media played up Monica Lewinsky’s blow jobs and Paula Jones’ sexual harassment lawsuit against Clinton in the 1990s, while ignoring or downplaying extramarital activities by the hypocritical Republicans who served on Clinton’s impeachment committee like Henry Hyde and Bob Barr?

Hyde, who chaired that committee, had an affair of his own for about five years with the married Cherie Snodgrass in the late 1960s. Hyde, who was in his 40s and a married Illinois state representative with four kids when he had the affair, didn’t deny the relationship. But he said, “The statute of limitations has long since passed on my youthful indiscretions.” Of course, for Republicans, anything they do under age 50 falls under the category of “youthful indiscretions.” 24

Snodgrass’ husband, Fred, told Salon.com that Hyde was a “hypocrite who broke up my family.” Cherie declined to talk to Salon, but her daughter said, “She knows she wasn’t his first [mistress], and she wasn’t his last. She hates his anti-abortion stuff and all the family values stuff. She thinks he’s bad for the country, he’s too powerful, and he’s hypocritical.” 25

Barr, the hypocritical author of “The Defense of Marriage Act,” had an affair while still married to Gail Barr and married Jeri Dobbin a month after the divorce became final in 1986, according to testimony in the divorce case. Neither Barr nor Dobbin denied having the affair when asked about it repeatedly. 26

Then in 1992, Barr licked whipped cream off the chests of “two buxom women” during a Leukemia Society charity event. The Washington Post asked him if he would “engage in such conduct if he had it do to all over again.”

“Heavens no!” he replied. “It was a charity event ... and people were having a good time.” 27

But Barr reportedly did “engage in such conduct,” right during the time when he piously criticized Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky. Kevin Jeys of the Chico Examiner wrote that Barr slipped away from his wife in 1998 to lick whipped cream off the breasts of another lap dancer at a D.C. bachelor’s party. This came after Barr told The Post he would not do that again. 28

Contrast the way Republicans reacted to Clinton’s affairs with that of fellow Republican Congressman Bob Livingston, who they chose as House Speaker in late 1998, only to learn Livingston had affairs of his own. CNN reported that Livingston’s confession, which only came after publications like Roll Call reported Livingston’s affairs, “that he had been unfaithful to his wife drew first gasps, and then a standing ovation and declarations of support from Republicans at a closed-door caucus.” 29

So the message was if you have an affair and you’re a Democrat, you get impeached. But if you have an affair and you’re a Republican, you get applause and support.

Other conservative hypocrites who castigated Clinton for sins they committed themselves included Congressman Dan Burton, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, presidential candidate Bob Dole, and Sen. Strom Thurmond.

Burton, who once called Clinton a “scumbag” in the midst of the public sexual witch hunt, admitted during the 1998 proceedings against Clinton that he had an extramarital affair and fathered a child out of wedlock when he was a state senator in the 1980s. Burton said on PBS, “This is something that happened a long time ago.....The boy and the mother and my wife and my family and I have all reached an agreement about this a long time ago.” 30


Schwarzenegger’s campaign responded to one accuser the usual way Republicans do - with another lie. The campaign sent an email to the media suggesting that Hollywood stuntwoman Rhonda Miller had an extensive criminal background. The Los Angeles Times reported that Miller did not - it was someone with the same name who had the criminal record. Miller said Schwarzenegger groped her on a movie set in 1991, pulling up her shirt and photographing and touching her breasts as she fought him. 5

Bush and Rove told their own lies about supposedly staying out of the recall effort and not hypocritically supporting the adulterer and criminal. Bush advisers met with Schwarzenegger as early as 2001 to get him to run for governor. Rove himself met with the groper in early 2003. Before the recall, proponents and representatives of potential Republican candidates met at the Los Angeles office of Gerry Parsky, Bush’s top California adviser, to discuss the effort. 6

So much for Republican family values.


The Bush affairs

There is no shortage of stories on the Internet about alleged extramarital affairs involving the Bush clan. But for whatever reason, including that the media was owned by conservatives, they were not popularly known.

Besides the Schoedinger case, Bush Jr. was linked to a 39-year-old Texas woman, Tammy Phillips. The former stripper was quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an 18-month affair with Bush that had ended in June 1999, while Bush campaigned for the presidency. 7

Phillips said she was introduced to then-Texas Gov. Bush by her Republican uncle in Dec. 1997 during a political event in Midland, Tx. She said that she and Bush, who married Laura Bush two decades before, made “passionate love” that very day.

However, that raised a red flag right there. I can’t see the attention-challenged Bush making “passionate love” to anyone, unless such was defined as lasting ten seconds or less. The Enquirer also said that the uncle disputed introducing Bush and Phillips, who I could not reach for comment.


Republican cheaters go way back in history

The list of prominent Republicans who cheated on their spouses went way back in American history.

James Garfield, who was president from 1880 to 1884, reportedly had an extramarital affair with Lucia Calhoun in the 1860s. His wife, Lucretia, discovered the liaison and made him choose between staying married or getting a divorce. Garfield chose to say married. 37

Warren Harding was more than the Republican president who presided over the scandalous, bribe-taking Teapot Dome administration in the early 1920s that ranked with the Bush Jr. one for the most corrupt in American history. Harding had numerous extramarital affairs, including with Nan Britton, who was 31 years younger than him. In fact, Britton bore Harding a child one year before he won the presidency. 38

Harding and Britton had sex in White House closets, bathrooms, and offices, even as Harding’s wife, Florence, remained in other parts of the White House. 39

Britton was not the only extramarital relationship that Harding, who died in office of a heart attack, had in the White House. In fact, Carrie Phillips, who had been a German sympathizer during World War I, attempted to blackmail Harding and was paid hush money by the Republican Party. 40


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Your writing on past post give you way. plus someone you pm.


That doesn't make any sense at all, just looks like random words strung together. Try again.

I'm with Sassy on this one, I'd love to know who you're backing for president. I also find it interesting that when confronted with a question, all you can do is randomly copy and paste unrelated material. You've really been on a roll lately, good stuff! Big Grin
BACK TO THE TOPIC!

The GOP so called conservative republican party who is for family values goes around saying if you vote democrat then you are supporting the gays like they had no gays in their party. Then all the closet gays, Senators, and preachers come out of your party in the airport restrooms, e-mails to young aids, conservative baptist preacher forced out of the closet like the senators. How many more will come out of your conservative closet?

You right wing conservatives had a problem with Bill Clinton getting a blow job from a female and hollered "morals and values" back to our government. But when two senators and preachers, who speak the language "morals and values", only to get caught doing it themselves, makes me wonder about the conservative party if they really support morals and values. It seems the only time they support it is when a democrat is caught, not one of their own. You have your own conservative log cabin gays that you never recognize until election time. the log cabin gays have always voted republican.
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Originally posted by pba:
BACK TO THE TOPIC!

The GOP so called conservative republican party who is for family values goes around saying if you vote democrat then you are supporting the gays like they had no gays in their party. Then all the closet gays, Senators, and preachers come out of your party in the airport restrooms, e-mails to young aids, conservative baptist preacher forced out of the closet like the senators. How many more will come out of your conservative closet?

You right wing conservatives had a problem with Bill Clinton getting a blow job from a female and hollered "morals and values" back to our government. But when two senators and preachers, who speak the language "morals and values", only to get caught doing it themselves, makes me wonder about the conservative party if they really support morals and values. It seems the only time they support it is when a democrat is caught, not one of their own. You have your own conservative log cabin gays that you never recognize until election time. the log cabin gays have always voted republican.


Quit copying and pasting. It won't save you, and it only reinforced my already declining opinion of you. All you have to do is to answer the question.

Who do you endorse for the next Presidential election?

See, it's simple. You just have to make a commitment. Come on, I know you can.

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