So, what do you get from this comment - 

 

"The United States does not have a monopoly on crazy people. It's not the only country that has psychosis, and yet we kill each other in these mass shootings at rates that are exponentially higher than any place else. Well, what's the difference? The difference is that these guys can stack up a bunch of ammunition in their houses and that's sort of par for the course."

 

I'd say that is an oversimplification with a purpose myself.  Cant ban weapons.  Cant pass stricter background checks.  So, what do we see the administration doing?  They go after gun dealers through the back door via the banks (Operation Choke Point) and now they are setting their sights on ammo.  

 

All you have to do to see it is look.......

 

 

Capt, Can you at least admit we have a serious issue with guns here in this country? Surely you can admit the obvious. We are up to an average of 1 of these school shootings a week. That doesn't even take into account the shootings like we had in Las Vegas or the movie theater shootings. So I am going to assume you can't be blind to the problems we are facing.

 

What do YOU think we need to do? 

 

 

With those math skills it's no wonder you're a democrat. I'll answer it, what do we think should be done?  Absolutely nothing.  We have a serious jobs problem a serious immigration problem, serious gang issues.  Our freedom to own a firearm is NOT A PROBLEM. 

We, not the government, can prepare to defend ouselves from people who break laws that are already in place.  There, it is answered again.

In everyone of the shootings, the shooter had serious mental problems -- register and control the nutters.

Jank,

IMO there is a problem, but it is multifactorial.  Trying to limit access to firearms will not stop these atrocious activites.  The biggest problem in this country is that people have no respect for other's, and they do not recognize any boundaries.  We have too many bullies and too many people who are jealous of their neighbors.  This is perpetuated by BOTH sides of the aisle.  One tells us how many deadbeats are scamming on the system.  The other side tells us that the rich are the reason we cannot do better.  NO ONE wants to take any personal responsibility.

Taking away guns might curtail a mass shooting, but there will be access to knives and knowledge of how to manufacture a bomb or some device that will maim and kill.

I own guns.  I keep the majority of them locked up with only access to one near the bed in case of an emergency.  I don't have kids in the house any more, and consider myself to be a law abiding citizen who has obeyed the law and tried to teach my children to do as well.  That being said, I do not think that government is focusing on the right path to fixing this problem. AS long as people continue to be selfish, greedy, and jealous of tohers this is going to continue.  As long as bullies continue to treat those who are weaker and smaller as insignifcant human beings, this is going to continue.

I don't profess to know the answers, but I think that the solution will have to address many more probelms than just the access to ammunition.  Like has been pointed out already, there is enough ammo out there now to kill every person in the US if it was used effectively.  An according to some sources, the prices of amma are about to start coming down, so look for more stockpiling when it does.

With those math skills it's no wonder you're a democrat. I'll answer it, what do we think should be done?  Absolutely nothing.  We have a serious jobs problem a serious immigration problem, serious gang issues.  Our freedom to own a firearm is NOT A PROBLEM. 

 

Oops, remind self not to do mental math again.  One zero too many.  Chuck, were you the only one who caught it?

Two Men Use Girl As Human Shield — Until Her Father Guns Them Down

 

 St. Louis couple is likely thankful to have guns in their home after they were forced to use them to defend their daughter against two men Monday night.

The men, one of whom had an extensive rap sheet, confronted the couples’ 17 year-old daughter after she stepped outside of the house to go to her car, reports the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Cortez McClinton, 33, and Terrell Johnson, 31, held a gun to the girl’s head and used her as a shield as they entered the family home, where a five-year old child was also present.

The girl’s father and mother witnessed the abduction, and both retrieved their guns. When McClinton and Johnson entered, the father fired several shots, hitting both men. The girl’s mother fired one shot but missed.

Johnson died at the scene. McClinton was wounded but was able to scramble off. He had his brother take him to the hospital.

In 2010, McClinton was charged with shooting another man. Charges were eventually dropped due to lack of witness participation. He also had drug possession and distribution charges against him.

McClinton is charged with second-degree murder, kidnapping, burglary, and criminal armed action and is being held on $1 million bond

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As usual, not a lot of facts, and I am curious as to what was in that house that the two intruders wanted so badly they took the girl "hostage" to use as a human shield to gain entrance. Whatever was going on, there were guns on both sides. There will always be guns. There is no such thing as a gun ban. It is not like the gun grabbers want people to think, that every legal, responsible, gun owner in the country is walking around with a gun just waiting and hoping someone will "make their day". If that was true you wouldn't have time or space to report all the shootings. I don't know one gun owner with that attitude. Their guns are for "sport", some that include killing animals, that I'll admit I don't agree with, or they have them because they work in places that no one should go without a gun, or they just plain like guns. I have very little interest in them, although I do own a gun. The only thing I've ever thought about was skeet shooting. That looks like fun. I don't think it would be fun, or cool, or bad***, or tough, or anything else, to have to shoot and possibly kill another human being, and wouldn't think of doing so unless I or my family was seriously threatened. The gun grabbers know that's how most legal gun owners think, but they don't care. 

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In 2010, McClinton was charged with shooting another man. Charges were eventually dropped due to lack of witness participation. He also had drug possession and distribution charges against him.

Teyates
You knocked it out of the park! well thought out post

JT,

 

1,800 rounds loaded into 30 round magazines would be sufficient to reload the magazines  60 times, not 600 times (1,800 divided by 30 equals 60, not 600). I assume you were educated in the new math method, where nearly is good enough.  Just ask the SEC lawyers who approved Bernie Madoff's investment firm again and again.  However, you have given me insight into why progressives have no problem with the national debt.

In the liberal mind, I suppose all the children killed at school in China by slashing and stabbing are less dead than someone pierced by a projectile. Likewise those killed in a Mideast market bombing should get better after a few days.

 

Maybe for a change the discussion ought to be on the root causes of all violence. Perhaps we should be looking after the mentally ill a little better. Maybe instead of looking the other way when someone is being bullied the bystanders should get involved. Perhaps the best way to combat gang violence would be using the military to shut down the border to stop the flow of illegal drugs which funds their activities instead of funneling weapons to the cartels. These are just a few suggestions.

 

I am sure I will get blasted for this comment, but it is my opinion and if you disagree, you are free to do so, but I doubt it will change my mind.

When groups such as the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, and acdet organizations such at the Civil Air Patrol, etc, were more active and readily accepted by society, I think there was less violence and more respect by the younger generation.  I know there are people who think that these organizations, who teach respect and have some religious basis have no place in our society, but I think they are wrong.  Having seen it from the inside, and having been involved in these programs (not the Girl Scouts) I thnk they offer young adults something other than the junk they see on MTV and the Kardashians. They teach tolerance and respect.  They don't beat religion in their heads, but they do expose them to it (which is something the atheists hate).  I never saw a kid chastised or belittled because he was different when I was an active scout, nor when I worked as a camp counselor. It molded some great young men who I know today that are good fathers raising good children.  We were exposed to guns and bows/aroows, and yet we are not out shooting people, raping or pillaging.  We knew to respect other's property, not to steal from them, and it was OK to challenge authority, as long as we did it with respect. We said "Yes Mam" and "Yes Sir".

We need more involvement of our youth in programs that teach these things, instead of relying on Hollywood and video games to teach them right from wrong.

So heartbreaking to see this keep happening. Sure, it's Obama, and it's the gun laws, it's the democrats....

We have parents that aren't even aware their kids are stockpiling guns and ammo in their rooms upstairs. Parents that have DEAD ZONES  around their heads. Parents that have more important things to do. Parents that don't even vote, much less affiliate theirselves with one of these antiquated partys.

Yeah charley farley, blame it on the democrats.. Yeah, it's the liberal minds that keep all this happening..So, what kind of statement would your boy romney have made? You have the solution. You have the f..king answers..

 and yes, Teyates is the only rational minded person on this forum.

When groups such as the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, and acdet organizations such at the Civil Air Patrol, etc, were more active and readily accepted by society, I think there was less violence and more respect by the younger generation.  I know there are people who think that these organizations, who teach respect and have some religious basis have no place in our society, but I think they are wrong.  Having seen it from the inside, and having been involved in these programs (not the Girl Scouts) I thnk they offer young adults something other than the junk they see on MTV and the Kardashians. They teach tolerance and respect.  They don't beat religion in their heads, but they do expose them to it (which is something the atheists hate).  I never saw a kid chastised or belittled because he was different when I was an active scout, nor when I worked as a camp counselor.

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 First of all, I don't think a million good intentioned organizations would do any good. Junk such as mtv and the kartrashions? A drop in the bucket. Have you seen what is on almost every channel? Have you seen Fargo the series? How about all the "real housewife" shows? Honey booboo, the shows that dress kids up like hookers and strippers and parade them around, and call it a "beauty pageant", all sorts of "reality" trash, that are just too numerous to even mention? Adults as well as kids can't get enough of this crap. How about the internet? There is no limit to the absolute garbage kids can click to watch. And, seeing as how these shows have millons of viewers I'd say there are more christians than atheists watching them, and that this is what they want. I don't know how long it's been since you were involved with the programs, but believe me, there is plenty of belittling and chastising in the scouts programs today. Not only those, but any sports activities in which kids are involved. They don't teach them fair play and that it is only a game. I have no problem with any organization teaching manners, respect or tolerance for each other, if that is what happened. As far as religion, of course it has no place there because teaching respect, tolerance, manners, caring for others, does not require that a person teaching those things be religious. I never taught my children they had to do those things because if they didn't they'd incur the wrath of a god and make the angels cry. I taught them that they did those things because that is what is expected of normal well adjusted human beings that want to successfully and happily function in society. 

 They don't beat religion in their heads, but they do expose them to it (which is something the atheists hate).

 

 

One reason I "hate" it? The small child standing in church singing "ain't no homo going to make it to heaven" to the cheers and applause of the adults there. And of course we all know this is not an isolated case, way too much of this goes on in churches and religious organizations. So much for teaching religious tolerance and respect. 

I haven't blamed anyone. I don't know enough about the shooting or the shooter to speculate.    What I can tell you is the gun didn't do a darn thing.  If you want to get worked up into a emotional tizzy be my guest.

Chuck, I'm glad that someone finally figured out that it's Obama and the liberals causing all these school shootings.  Boy, you're right on top of that.

FYI, the largest number of murders at a school in the US was by bomb. The largest number of persons shot by one person was in Norway, a nation that controls arms.  The man had mental problems -- the real main characteristic most of the murderers shared. 

Well that didn't take long....

I think you and I have discussed this before - but it does need to be restated.  There are more than guns in common with all these shootings.  Almost all (if not all) were at the hands of someone with a mental problem.  But, more important than that, they all continue to occur in GUN FREE ZONES.  You don't think that is a coincidence do you?

 

We need to quit pretending that gun free zones save lives, and we need to quit pretending that gun control laws control guns.  Neither is true.  They make you feel safe, nothing more.  Just like all these kids in all these schools felt safe......

Good discussion about all the different aspects of the issue.  Good to know there are so many that actually THINK outside of the gun control box.  

 

And then there are those that think that these kids are going on shooting sprees because of the gun and that gun control is the magic pill for all their ills......

gun control is a must. We do have atomic bomb control do we not?....or maybe you gun nuts that only think within the gun box hope to see the day where you can open carry an atomic bomb. it is NRA mass stupidity to advocate a 4 year old mind should have guns.

The problem is because the entire society has melted into one big pot. No longer is these kind of things isolated to the big city ghetto's and third world countries. This is the price we pay for having every amenity we want at our finger tips.

 Having total control of guns and other weapons is no more the answer to fix the problem than is for every law abiding citizen to stockpile all the guns an ammo the can get their hands on!

 Teyate's has a good suggestion for a start but it is going to take everyone to get on board before this issue will ever be resolved. As it is there is way too many people including the posters of this forum that are drawing lines simply because of politics and religion. There will never be an end to this hate until enough of us from both sides of the political/religious lines can agree to a compromise that will benefit all of us.

gun control is the only answer. keeping them out of pawn shops will help.

 

Really?  Did the gun in this shooting come from a pawn shop?  

no but that is just a suggestion for gun control............there are other things

pawn shops are a breeding ground for crime especially when the sell guns.....I've been in too many of them......I know what goes on inside

 

Really because I can't FIND a pawn shop these days.  The title pawns stores have taken over.  They aren't causing gun violence too are they?  Wait, maybe they are causing wrecks!  Next up, In our next segment we'll learn how Dollar Stores cause low birth weight.  

if you can't find a pawn shop? really?  there are around 5 on woodward ave... two in tuscumia.. one on wilson dam road.. one in downtown sheffield.... and that's just off the top of my head!

I've never met an honest pawn shop owner...........so far they are all crooks and will break the law for a buck.......laws should be passed to discourage pawn shops from selling guns.

When I have priced a gun in a pawn shop, the price has been as high as a new gun in a gun shop.

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Be interesting if you will give my question serious thought/answer & not a smart, blow it out your butt answer.

Just say, for example, gun control became a law. You couldn't own a gun & you couldn't sell a gun or you go to prison if caught with one or selling one. Selling & buying drugs is against the law but people are dealing/selling/buying them illegally. Do you truly believe guns wouldn't be sold/purchased illegally?

Well then by your logic we should be having oodles of mass shootings.  Where are they? 

chuckles.. you have a serious reading comprehension problem.. where did i EVER say pawn shops were a bad thing? where did i ever link pawn shops to any 'wrong doing'?.. i'll be waiting for you to show me.. i'm sure you'll ignore the questions.. as usual, all talk and no fact.

...........darling, the guns would be sold illegally under your scenario  and the illegal gun owner would have an unfair advantage over a non-gun owner in a confrontation where the objective was to take from the unarmed person property or their pursuit of happiness.

 

This seems like a horrible state of affairs for society to live with and likely not something that citizens would ever tolerate at first glance but I submit we are already programmed to assimilate without a long lived fuss.

 

Case in point is the vast difference in distribution of wealth which certainly leaves most in society "unarmed" and exposed to unfair advantage by the few to protect our "property and pursuit of happiness".

 

Ownership of guns seems to be a calming satisfaction to those who suppose a state of misery due to corporate crooks is well deserved as long as they have one.

 

What is the difference when you are relieved of your stuff by these  unfair advantages? They are both tools  of the crook.

 

It makes no sense to fight one and not the other. 

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One a week?  That is a lie and I think you knew it was a lie when you posted it.