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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
I'm glad the vote on Sunday sales passed but I think it should be broader than just restaurants and hotels. If I want to buy a 6 pack of beer on Sunday afternoon I should be able to. I'm a free adult and the same law that pertains to my purchasing abilities on Friday should apply to Sunday as well.


So who decides when, where, and how it is sold. Sounds to me like the ones writing the legislation would be in charge of that. Contact the Senators and Reps. What about draft beer?
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by mustangfan2003:
draft beer is great, you shoals people have been missing out. i paid $5 for one in birmingham a while back but it was worth it.


You can't get draft beer here? Why not? That don't make sense...





There are a lot of laws that don't make sense. No draft beer is at the head of the list as well as the 49% limitation.
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Originally posted by excelman:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by mustangfan2003:
draft beer is great, you shoals people have been missing out. i paid $5 for one in birmingham a while back but it was worth it.


You can't get draft beer here? Why not? That don't make sense...





There are a lot of laws that don't make sense. No draft beer is at the head of the list as well as the 49% limitation.


I have to admit ignorance on that one!! What is wrong with Draft Beer? I thought that the Karaoke places we went to CHOSE not to sell it, lol... dumb me! And also the 49% Limits is stupid, however, whenever they can get TAX MONEY, why do they make such stupid laws?

Guess its my turn to "go to the corner of ignorance" lol
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Originally posted by grease_lightning:
Nice video. How about joining our discussions on the forum started last night. Add your thoughts.


Steve has a great discussion forum and other Sheffield-specific info setup on his own website ( thecatfishwrapper.com ). They (he and his wife) are currently in the final phases of making a movie...good stuff.
Great video! Thanks for the share. Can anyone tell me what business Steve Price owns in Sheffield? Everyone else who spoke at the meeting was shown with their name and the name of their place. His only said "Business owner." Anyone know? He must own something that the decision rides on. He wasn't timid about speaking his mind. Good thing in city governments.
Sheffield does not have the same 51%/49% ordinance that Florence has. This is why there are so many bars/lounges in Sheffield (approx. 14). However, the proposed referendum would put a yes/no vote before Sheffield (city only) regarding the same Sunday sales allowance that Florence has.....only establishments w/restaurant-type licenses would be allowed to sell on Sunday. Unless the establishment serves food, this would still leave bars, lounges and stores unable to sell on Sunday....just like Florence.....but there is no 51/49 rule in Sheffield.
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
Sheffield does not have the same 51%/49% ordinance that Florence has. This is why there are so many bars/lounges in Sheffield (approx. 14). However, the proposed referendum would put a yes/no vote before Sheffield (city only) regarding the same Sunday sales allowance that Florence has.....only establishments w/restaurant-type licenses would be allowed to sell on Sunday. Unless the establishment serves food, this would still leave bars, lounges and stores unable to sell on Sunday....just like Florence.....but there is no 51/49 rule in Sheffield.


I know for a fact that one resturant in Sheffield was fourced to change to a lounge license from a resturant license because of the 49-51 law, about 4 years ago. As a result, sheffield lost what could have been a very good resturant.
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Originally posted by excelman:
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
Sheffield does not have the same 51%/49% ordinance that Florence has. This is why there are so many bars/lounges in Sheffield (approx. 14). However, the proposed referendum would put a yes/no vote before Sheffield (city only) regarding the same Sunday sales allowance that Florence has.....only establishments w/restaurant-type licenses would be allowed to sell on Sunday. Unless the establishment serves food, this would still leave bars, lounges and stores unable to sell on Sunday....just like Florence.....but there is no 51/49 rule in Sheffield.


I know for a fact that one resturant in Sheffield was fourced to change to a lounge license from a resturant license because of the 49-51 law, about 4 years ago. As a result, sheffield lost what could have been a very good resturant.


Which one was that, excelman? I know of one that closed over a year ago because ABC said they didn't sell enough food... maybe that is TWO they lost?
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
Sheffield does not have the same 51%/49% ordinance that Florence has. This is why there are so many bars/lounges in Sheffield (approx. 14). However, the proposed referendum would put a yes/no vote before Sheffield (city only) regarding the same Sunday sales allowance that Florence has.....only establishments w/restaurant-type licenses would be allowed to sell on Sunday. Unless the establishment serves food, this would still leave bars, lounges and stores unable to sell on Sunday....just like Florence.....but there is no 51/49 rule in Sheffield.


Knowing one owner of a former restaurant I will have to agree that there is a 51-49 rule in effect. I want to think that is a state rule. Anyone know for sure?
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Originally posted by grease_lightning:
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
Sheffield does not have the same 51%/49% ordinance that Florence has. This is why there are so many bars/lounges in Sheffield (approx. 14). However, the proposed referendum would put a yes/no vote before Sheffield (city only) regarding the same Sunday sales allowance that Florence has.....only establishments w/restaurant-type licenses would be allowed to sell on Sunday. Unless the establishment serves food, this would still leave bars, lounges and stores unable to sell on Sunday....just like Florence.....but there is no 51/49 rule in Sheffield.


Knowing one owner of a former restaurant I will have to agree that there is a 51-49 rule in effect. I want to think that is a state rule. Anyone know for sure?


I don't know FOR SURE, but this business that closed, I knew the owner real well, and he said it was because he wasn't selling enough food to suit ABC Board, so I am asuming (cannot spell that right or the filter messes it up) that that ratio is state wide... but I could be wrong, I just know what he told us, and we all know what "lip service" is, lol
There is no 51/49 rule within the city limits of Sheffield. In Sheffield, if you want to open a bar and serve nothing but beer you can. In Florence, you cannot. In Florence, because of their 51/49 ordinance (which is not a statewide law btw), at least 51% of your gross receipts must be derived from the sale of food. In Sheffield this is not the case. Florence's 51/49 ordinance effectively prevents the opening of nightclub/pub/beer hall type venues within her city limits (which was the reasoning behind the local law many years ago when it was enacted). That is why these types of establishments are located in Sheffield. Most of the more popular establishments in Sheffield actually do possess combo food service/lounge licenses. Under the current proposal, if the referendum is voted in, these places will be able to operate on Sundays...exactly like they do on any other day of the week (again, there is no 51/49 rule for Sheffield proper). Pubs/nightclubs/bars that do not sell food will not be able to open on Sundays.....nor will convenience/package stores be able to sell on Sundays.

There really is nothing complicated about this. Unfortunately for Sheffield, foresight is not in play here. The argument (actual wording on the bill itself....the one that will be presented in Montgomery) is that food service venues in Florence have the right to sell on Sunday and the venues in Sheffield do not. Thus, creating an unfair economic advantage based only on geography. If they had any kahones (which they don't), they would want to 'one-up' the competition instead of settling for a "level playing field" with Florence businesses and add in a draught beer addendum.....
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Originally posted by thecatfishwrapper:
How 'bout that Gary Scales? If you would like to see a video from Monday night's council meeting, here's a link.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8578139280191577286

Peace - Steve thecatfishwrapper.com

after reading the newspaper article, I thought wow, if they pass it, I can avoid having the little lady toss my beer before the Sunday games on the TEE VEE.
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Originally posted by dbt123:
Sorry to repeat, but my reply may have gotten lost in the rest of the conversation:
Anybody know the business that Steve Price owns? Catfishwrapper or others? Thanks.


At one time, Steve Price owned the Fillin Station... but that was a long time ago... I dont know what he has now. But would like to know.
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
Steve Price owns a building in downtown Sheffield that he has almost finished remodeling. As for what he does for a living? Dunno, I don't know him that well.


I was wondering because the video lists him as a "business owner." Seemed to be in line with the restaurant business based on his discussion at the Sheffield Council Meeting. Where is the building?
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Originally posted by dbt123:
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
Steve Price owns a building in downtown Sheffield that he has almost finished remodeling. As for what he does for a living? Dunno, I don't know him that well.


I was wondering because the video lists him as a "business owner." Seemed to be in line with the restaurant business based on his discussion at the Sheffield Council Meeting. Where is the building?


On Raleigh Ave.....the only one with new facade and windows....why not stop in and ask him yourself....stalker?
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
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Originally posted by dbt123:
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
Steve Price owns a building in downtown Sheffield that he has almost finished remodeling. As for what he does for a living? Dunno, I don't know him that well.


I was wondering because the video lists him as a "business owner." Seemed to be in line with the restaurant business based on his discussion at the Sheffield Council Meeting. Where is the building?


On Raleigh Ave.....the only one with new facade and windows....why not stop in and ask him yourself?


OHHHH, he is on Rahleigh now? Last account I had of him was on Hatch Blvd. Rahleigh is a place I would rather not go, but that is just my opinion... I am probably alone on that though, lol
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
There is no 51/49 rule within the city limits of Sheffield. In Sheffield, if you want to open a bar and serve nothing but beer you can. In Florence, you cannot. In Florence, because of their 51/49 ordinance (which is not a statewide law btw), at least 51% of your gross receipts must be derived from the sale of food. In Sheffield this is not the case. Florence's 51/49 ordinance effectively prevents the opening of nightclub/pub/beer hall type venues within her city limits (which was the reasoning behind the local law many years ago when it was enacted). That is why these types of establishments are located in Sheffield. Most of the more popular establishments in Sheffield actually do possess combo food service/lounge licenses. Under the current proposal, if the referendum is voted in, these places will be able to operate on Sundays...exactly like they do on any other day of the week (again, there is no 51/49 rule for Sheffield proper). Pubs/nightclubs/bars that do not sell food will not be able to open on Sundays.....nor will convenience/package stores be able to sell on Sundays.

There really is nothing complicated about this. Unfortunately for Sheffield, foresight is not in play here. The argument (actual wording on the bill itself....the one that will be presented in Montgomery) is that food service venues in Florence have the right to sell on Sunday and the venues in Sheffield do not. Thus, creating an unfair economic advantage based only on geography. If they had any kahones (which they don't), they would want to 'one-up' the competition instead of settling for a "level playing field" with Florence businesses and add in a draught beer addendum.....


You are wrong about the 49-51 rule in Sheffield. It is alive and well. This applies in the case where someone wants to run a resturant and sell alcohol.
You are correct in that with a lounge license you can run a bar with or without food.

apples and oranges.
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
The old Fillin' Station was on Hatch Blvd. Dry cleaners, BAMA Lounge, Ritz Theatre (corner/side access to), VFW, old Fire Station building and a slew of Darby-owned run-down buildings on Raleigh.....don't know why you would consider that street a bad place?


LOL Red.. Gee, what got into me????? I don't know what I thinking!! LOL...

Well, after that laugh, I have to say, that I STILL do not go to Raleigh ave, ... and for what you said, obvious reasons.
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Originally posted by excelman:
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
There is no 51/49 rule within the city limits of Sheffield. In Sheffield, if you want to open a bar and serve nothing but beer you can. In Florence, you cannot. In Florence, because of their 51/49 ordinance (which is not a statewide law btw), at least 51% of your gross receipts must be derived from the sale of food. In Sheffield this is not the case. Florence's 51/49 ordinance effectively prevents the opening of nightclub/pub/beer hall type venues within her city limits (which was the reasoning behind the local law many years ago when it was enacted). That is why these types of establishments are located in Sheffield. Most of the more popular establishments in Sheffield actually do possess combo food service/lounge licenses. Under the current proposal, if the referendum is voted in, these places will be able to operate on Sundays...exactly like they do on any other day of the week (again, there is no 51/49 rule for Sheffield proper). Pubs/nightclubs/bars that do not sell food will not be able to open on Sundays.....nor will convenience/package stores be able to sell on Sundays.

There really is nothing complicated about this. Unfortunately for Sheffield, foresight is not in play here. The argument (actual wording on the bill itself....the one that will be presented in Montgomery) is that food service venues in Florence have the right to sell on Sunday and the venues in Sheffield do not. Thus, creating an unfair economic advantage based only on geography. If they had any kahones (which they don't), they would want to 'one-up' the competition instead of settling for a "level playing field" with Florence businesses and add in a draught beer addendum.....


You are wrong about the 49-51 rule in Sheffield. It is alive and well. This applies in the case where someone wants to run a resturant and sell alcohol.
You are correct in that with a lounge license you can run a bar with or without food.

apples and oranges.


BUT, if you serve food, and food has to be monitored by the Health Department then it is no longer "just a bar" it is considered a resturant... now back to apples and apples.

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