Should we be celebrating Helen Keller. She is on the Alabama state quarter and she is a known SOCIALIST. Whats up with that?
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quote:Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
DL, would you care that one of the liberal democrats was a former member of the KKK?
quote:Originally posted by David L.:
I have to confess that I don't know a lot about Socialism!
quote:Originally posted by just saying:
I have mixed feelings about this. According to the back of the Alabama state quarter, which has the banner “Spirit of Courage”, it’s not supporting her political views. Everyone has his or her own political views. What it seems the state quarter is trying to depict is her overwhelming difficulties she surpassed. I see the quarter as supporting her courage and nothing else. Having a personal family member who works for the Alabama Institute for the Deaf and Blind, I’ve seen first hand the courage that it takes for someone with such multiple disabilities to over come. Socialism and her ACLU founding principles aside, she was a remarkable woman.
quote:Everyone has his or her own political views.
quote:Originally posted by David L.:
I have to confess that I don't know a lot about Socialism!
quote:Think about that before you attack ME for saying it. Government OF THE PEOPLE, BY the People and FOR the people is socialism.
quote:Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:quote:Everyone has his or her own political views.
I've heard Saddam Hussein had some good points.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:quote:Think about that before you attack ME for saying it. Government OF THE PEOPLE, BY the People and FOR the people is socialism.
It's clear you don't understand exactly what socialism is. From the American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy:
"An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism. Some socialists tolerate capitalism, as long as the government maintains the dominant influence over the economy; others insist on an abolition of private enterprise. All communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communists."
Socialism is not a good thing. A socialist society means the people have given up or lost individual freedoms. Their way of life is controlled by their government.
A government of the people, by the people, and for the people means that the people control the government. In a socialist society the government controls the people. If you're such a fan of socialism, I'm sure you'll enjoy living in China or North Korea. They are still holding on to the socialist ideals.
I don't agree with Helen Keller's politics, but every historical figure has a dark side. It's not her ideas that we acknowledge, it's her ability to overcome adversity and become successful.
quote:Originally posted by tdreader:quote:Originally posted by smurph:
to bad tdreader you do not appreciate the fact the internet has opened so many doors to KNOWLEDGE. Granted there is a lot of pure bunk out there,but so is there in the local library shelves. One has to use some COMMON SENSE and check the sources of any article read from anywhere.
Thank you for agreeing with me. That is exactly what I was implying. If common sense had been used there would never have been a Hellen Keller smear topic started.
Perhaps the irony of a celebrated American icon having a different opinion of the ideal society than mainstream America would have made an interesting discussion.
But, for God's sake, was someone's advances toward an elderly blind deaf woman rejected? If this discussion had been signed into Hellen Keller's palm, it would have seared her flesh.
I do not understand how this blind deaf woman, in her grave for so many years, could present such a threat to our American way of life simply because of her differing opinion. Which, by the way, has been proven faulty.
quote:The essential problem with the dictionary definition of Socialism is the fact that such a system HAS NEVER EXISTED.
quote:Government of the people BY THE PEOPLE IS SOCIALISM.
quote:Please tell me we are not getting a comparison between Helen Keller and Saddam here.
quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:quote:Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:quote:Everyone has his or her own political views.
I've heard Saddam Hussein had some good points.
Please tell me we are not getting a comparison between Helen Keller and Saddam here.
quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
This is funny. Helen Keller is now an enemy of the state. Her political views "overshadow" her lifes work for the deaf and blind. You know you are in the minority in this - like many other things.
quote:Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
I will bet you my life that you had know idea she was a Socialist before you read this thread.
quote:Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
This is funny. Helen Keller is now an enemy of the state. Her political views "overshadow" her lifes work for the deaf and blind. You know you are in the minority in this - like many other things.
I will bet you my life that you had know idea she was a Socialist before you read this thread. If it's not such a big deal then why is it that 90% of people don't know it? Why do they fail to teach about the socialist part of her life when teaching our children in school?
What if George Washington had been a socialist?
Admit it, you just received an education free of charge and you are in shock and don't know how to respond. Thats ok, just read more on the subject before you begin ranting.
quote:Better be glad you did not make that bet - I was aware of Helen Kellers political affiliations. I just dont give a ****. She had every right to her political philosophy - just as you do. It in no way changes her contribution to the deaf and blind in our country. Wonder why the only thing we hear of is this contribution and not the politics? Because its a footnote, not really very relevant, and those who are obsessed with it HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO WORRY ABOUT. Get a job, go work with the deaf and blind, iron clothes, but for Gods sake, stop digging up 50yr old trivia looking for an enemy of the state.
quote:Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:quote:Better be glad you did not make that bet - I was aware of Helen Kellers political affiliations. I just dont give a ****. She had every right to her political philosophy - just as you do. It in no way changes her contribution to the deaf and blind in our country. Wonder why the only thing we hear of is this contribution and not the politics? Because its a footnote, not really very relevant, and those who are obsessed with it HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO WORRY ABOUT. Get a job, go work with the deaf and blind, iron clothes, but for Gods sake, stop digging up 50yr old trivia looking for an enemy of the state.
What has you so hot under the collar? The original post was a little known fact and then a simple question for discussion. My opinion is that she should not be on any United States Currency. Sure celebrate with a festival in Tuscumbia but don't put her image on US currency. To many have fought and died to protect us from being a socialist government.
Is that honor?
I do work with deaf, blind, sick, and elderly.
What do you do?
quote:Free to hold any political view point we wish - even one which may fail, prove useless or be unpopular
meanasasnakequote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
This is all too funny. Since mid-20th century Asian, and Russian Communism was totalitarian it was NOT neccessarily the ideology we were fighting - it was the fact that those regimes/dictatorships gave no voice to the opposition. WE supported the opposition and fought to free people from regimes that denied them proper representation and political freedom. Of course we fought Communist totalitarianism and agression. But some of our allies, England, France, Italy, etc. all indulged in experiments with Socialism yet fought with us against Communism (although all three of the nations still have Communists in their governments -(minute numbers).
There seems to be a disconnect here between political freedom and deeds of great bravery and a great contribution to society. Helen Keller was a great woman and an American. Her interest in a failed political ideology is of no interest to me and clearly of no interest to the Federal Government.
quote:Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
DHS-86, Who said she was dangerous? Aren't you over reacting just a bit?
"Helen Keller was a great woman and an American. Her interest in a failed political ideology is of no interest to me and clearly of no interest to the Federal Government." quote from meansnake.
Accoording to Meansake,PBA and Edkit, the Federal Gov. with Bush in control is turning into a dictatorship anyway so they would want HK on our currency. The new democrats are no longer democrats they are socialist, so they would want HK on currency also. Go figure...?
quote:Originally posted by just saying:
Governor Siegelman unveiled the design, for the Alabama state quarter, at Epic School before an auditorium filled with elementary school students. "‘Spirit of Courage’ represents the strength, perseverance and positive attitude of Alabamians who, from their earliest habitation, have shown remarkable courage,” Siegelman said. “Embodying such courage in the face of overwhelming challenges was Helen Keller, whose life and spirit continue to inspire generations the world over.”
source
quote:Originally posted by just saying:
In January 2001, Governor Don Siegelman announced a statewide competition for Alabama schools to submit concepts for the Alabama quarter. Of the thousands of concepts submitted, Governor Siegelman forwarded three to the United States Mint: Helen Keller, Alabama's role in social movements, and Alabama's social and economic history. The United States Mint returned five candidate designs to the Governor's office where the final selection of Helen Keller, "Spirit of Courage," was made.
Source: US Mint
quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Nope - all is well.
quote:Originally posted by DHS-86:
To Yo Brotha... Yes, I realize she was not dangerous. It is called sarcasm. I think making a big deal out of the whole situation is ridiculous!
quote:Originally posted by bamagurl:
I have to admit: I got sucked into this forum after reading a few posts...lol I guess my opinions differ than many on here because for many, many years it took radicalism on some level and some subject to make little progress. Anyway, I found this article on the net which I thought was interesting...
Loved the link - particularly loved the photo of Keller with Eisenhower. Wonder how she escaped the McCarthy witch hunts of the 1950s?
[URL=http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkeller.htm]
quote:Originally posted by DHS-86:
You are one seriously skrewed up individual.
You are a poster boy case for why I agree so much with free speech... the louder they nutcases are, the easier it is to spot them!
quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
YO, you bring up a VERY good point, one that I just bet ya that not many people either know, or have thought about!!!
I guess I need to Google Helen Keller now!!
Thanks
quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Whoa!!! After reading those links, I have to say that to "HONOR" her would be a slap in every American's face!!!!
How did I get this OLD and only know about the Annie Sullivan who opened the world up to a young child.
This stuff I did not know... and I am glad you pointed it out to me. There will be NO Helen Keller Festival for ME this year!!!
quote:Originally posted by pba:quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Whoa!!! After reading those links, I have to say that to "HONOR" her would be a slap in every American's face!!!!
How did I get this OLD and only know about the Annie Sullivan who opened the world up to a young child.
This stuff I did not know... and I am glad you pointed it out to me. There will be NO Helen Keller Festival for ME this year!!!
Yes, Helen Keller was a socialist. Ha,
Socialists are very proud of Helen Keller and she is a good example of what socialism means. But socialist then were more accepted and a little different then they are now. It was not so mainstream then but had more members. Today it is more of a fringe group. A shadow of it's former self.
Socialists are for peace and justice, workers rights, a fair sharing of profits for workers for their labor, a safety net and a government of the people, by the people that serves the people.
What's wrong with that?
Social Security and Public Schools are socialism and health care should be one too.
The Capitalist system is build on exploitation and they discredit socialism. They distort what it means.