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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by Jennifer:

"They spare no insult, no opportunity to disrespect. Subtly by refusing to capitalize the proper nouns."

 

One day someone will explain how not capitalizing god or jesus (if that's what you're getting at) is an insult or disrespectful, and just who it insults or disrespects.


Hi Jennifer,

 

My Friend, if we have to explain that to you -- it is already too late.   Now, if you had gone to high school in Sheffield -- our teachers would have taught you proper punctuation, capitalization, and spelling.  But, possibly, in your town the schools were not as advanced.

 

So, whether you are just pretending to be this dense -- or you truly are -- if we have to explain this to you -- that would be like pouring a glass of water into the Tennessee River to make it wider.

 

Okay, now it is your turn.  Go ahead, jump up and down, screaming, "Oh, yeah?  Well, I can spit further than you!"   


C'est la vie!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


You notice, they capitalize Hiltler's name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll come right back with, "But Hitler was REAL."  Then why is it that you capitalize Santa? HE isn't real. That proves that you ARE refusing to capitalize God's name as a sign of disrespect.

 

Pathetic.

Originally Posted by O No!:
You notice, they capitalize Hiltler's name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll come right back with, "But Hitler was REAL."  Then why is it that you capitalize Santa? HE isn't real. That proves that you ARE refusing to capitalize God's name as a sign of disrespect.

 

Pathetic.

 

Not at all, Ono.  I don't capitalize "god" because "god" to me means any one of the thousands of gods that people worship on this earth now and in the past.  If you watch, you'll see that I always properly capitalize "Yahweh" or "Thor" or "Jesus."  But "god" is not a proper name to me.  It's just a concept.  A noun. Nothing more or less.

When YOU type it, you do (and should) use a capital "G" because you are naming one specific proper name for your own personal invisible friend.  I used to call my invisible friend "Linda" with a capital "L." 

Unob, I'm losing respect for you faster every day. First of all, when one of us Christians is talking about God, we are not talking about A god, we are talking about THE SPECIFIC GOD, so since you know who we are talking about, the word should be capitalized when YOU mention Him too. And I just did a search of your posts and the very first one I clicked on had you calling us Christians with a little "c", and you spelled Jesus with a little "j". You didn't capitalize Jews , Hindu's, or Bill Gray either for that matter.

 

So, you can try to weasel out of it, but it is TRUE that you do it as a sign of disrespect, and on top of that, you just made it up about capitalizing the "J", and got caought in a lie. Here it is:

 

Post Master
 
November 23, 2010 4:33 PM
 

i forgot to answer the question of if i would change anyhting: i'd not change a thing except for the insistence by some f-ing idiots that it is THEOR holiday for tHEIR religioin and doesn't belong to anyone else. id also change the very few town hall displays that attempt to take the season away from secularists and non-christians.

i believe christians should worship their jesus myth, black folks should celebrate their version, hindus theirs, jews theirs and of course atheists will celebrate the "coming of the light" aka winter solstice along with a bunch of other pagans. it's all good except for the f-ing idiots who try to ruin it for everyone..... no names but his initials are bill gray.
Originally Posted by O No!:

Unob, I'm losing respect for you faster every day. First of all, when one of us Christians is talking about God, we are not talking about A god, we are talking about THE SPECIFIC GOD, so since you know who we are talking about, the word should be capitalized when YOU mention Him too. And I just did a search of your posts and the very first one I clicked on had you calling us Christians with a little "c", and you spelled Jesus with a little "j". You didn't capitalize Jews , Hindu's, or Bill Gray either for that matter.

 

So, you can try to weasel out of it, but it is TRUE that you do it as a sign of disrespect, and on top of that, you just made it up about capitalizing the "J", and got caought in a lie. Here it is:

 

Post Master
 
November 23, 2010 4:33 PM
 

i forgot to answer the question of if i would change anyhting: i'd not change a thing except for the insistence by some f-ing idiots that it is THEOR holiday for tHEIR religioin and doesn't belong to anyone else. id also change the very few town hall displays that attempt to take the season away from secularists and non-christians.

i believe christians should worship their jesus myth, black folks should celebrate their version, hindus theirs, jews theirs and of course atheists will celebrate the "coming of the light" aka winter solstice along with a bunch of other pagans. it's all good except for the f-ing idiots who try to ruin it for everyone..... no names but his initials are bill gray.

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And you said all that right at Thanhsgiving time, when we thank God for all the

aTHEISTS, because they remind us to stay on the right road or we could

go to Hell also.Thanks Mz Blue Miner.

 

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And you said all that right at Thanhsgiving time, when we thank God for all the

aTHEISTS, because they remind us to stay on the right road or we could

go to Hell also.Thanks Mz Blue Miner.

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Uh, doesn't seem like you have a lot to be thankful for. But if we can lead by example and make you half as good as us you'll be OK.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

And you said all that right at Thanhsgiving time, when we thank God for all the

aTHEISTS, because they remind us to stay on the right road or we could

go to Hell also.Thanks Mz Blue Miner.

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Uh, doesn't seem like you have a lot to be thankful for. But if we can lead by example and make you half as good as us you'll be OK.

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unob is the only Atheist that really ticks me off. What I said may have been

snotty, but he never stops with the name calling and criticism. He'll say

whatever he wants regardless.

 

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Originally Posted by O No!:

Unob, I'm losing respect for you faster every day. First of all, when one of us Christians is talking about God, we are not talking about A god, we are talking about THE SPECIFIC GOD, so since you know who we are talking about, the word should be capitalized when YOU mention Him too. And I just did a search of your posts and the very first one I clicked on had you calling us Christians with a little "c", and you spelled Jesus with a little "j". You didn't capitalize Jews , Hindu's, or Bill Gray either for that matter.

 

So, you can try to weasel out of it, but it is TRUE that you do it as a sign of disrespect, and on top of that, you just made it up about capitalizing the "J", and got caought in a lie. Here it is:

 

Post Master
 
November 23, 2010 4:33 PM
 

i forgot to answer the question of if i would change anyhting: i'd not change a thing except for the insistence by some f-ing idiots that it is THEOR holiday for tHEIR religioin and doesn't belong to anyone else. id also change the very few town hall displays that attempt to take the season away from secularists and non-christians.

i believe christians should worship their jesus myth, black folks should celebrate their version, hindus theirs, jews theirs and of course atheists will celebrate the "coming of the light" aka winter solstice along with a bunch of other pagans. it's all good except for the f-ing idiots who try to ruin it for everyone..... no names but his initials are bill gray.

O and b,

Hate Uno all you want but did you take into account that he didn't capitalize anything correctly in your example? Was he also disrespecting himself by referring to himself as "i" or was he just too lazy to hit the shift key?

 

Uno,

You've said this before and I have to correct your assertion that Buddhism is basically atheistic which I think is a common myth. Their basic life philosophies and ethics can be used "atheistically" but most don't stop there as the supernatural is an integral part of the whole. Although very admirable, generally speaking, most types of Buddhism are quite unatheistic in the true sense of the word.

Originally Posted by A. Robustus:
 

Uno,

You've said this before and I have to correct your assertion that Buddhism is basically atheistic which I think is a common myth. Their basic life philosophies and ethics can be used "atheistically" but most don't stop there as the supernatural is an integral part of the whole. Although very admirable, generally speaking, most types of Buddhism are quite unatheistic in the true sense of the word.

 

Thanks, Arob.  However, there appears to be some debate over this.  What are your thoughts on the following?
http://buddhism.about.com/od/b.../a/buddhaatheism.htm

 

"If atheism is the absence of belief in gods, then many Buddhists are, indeed, atheists.

Buddhism is not about either believing or not believing in God or gods. Rather, the historical Buddha taught that believing in gods was not useful for those seeking to realize enlightenment. In other words, God is unnecessary in Buddhism. For this reason, Buddhism is more accurately called nontheistic than atheistic."

Originally Posted by O No!:
So, you can try to weasel out of it, but it is TRUE that you do it as a sign of disrespect, and on top of that, you just made it up about capitalizing the "J", and got caought in a lie. Here it is:

 

 

I don't really care much one way or another if you accept my explanation.  All gods are figments of human imagination. I shouldn't capitalize "god" any more than I should capitalize "id" or "ego."

And, no, of course I do not respect your "God"  Why would you be surprised at that?

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Thanks, Arob.  However, there appears to be some debate over this...

But I though I just put and end to it! 

In my studied opinion, I think the breakdown on this issue happens along the conversion to/from Eastern and Western ideas of religion, philosophy, deities, supernatural, etc, etc. It's not an easy apples/apples comparison hence the differences in opinion. There are so many types of Buddhism too which further complicates things and makes almost any statement about "Buddhist" philosophy or practice wrong in some respect.

Needless to say, I am right about this, others... not so much.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:
Originally Posted by Mohammad Suket Rashid:

You woulds do well not to anger we Musslmen sirs. The punishment can be grave, to Allah be the glory.


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What's a musslman? Someone that eats mussels?

I thought that was only used by Thomas Jefferson in a letter long ago.  Here ya go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussulman 

Originally Posted by b50m:

As far as politics go, no matter how qualified or good for the country someone might be, they have to pass the "religion test". 

 

Only in the news media. I don't care what religion someone is or isn't. It's a good 'talking point', but that's about it.

 

B5, perhaps that is your view but it is not a vew shared by the majority of the population.  Atheists are the mosst distrusted group in the US. 

 

From Gallup: 

A 1999 Gallup poll conducted to determine Americans' willingness to tolerate a Jewish president (Joseph Lieberman was the Democratic candidate for Vice President at the time). Here are the percentages of people saying they would refuse to vote for "a generally well-qualified person for president" on the basis of some characteristic; in parenthesis are the figures for earlier years:

Catholic: 4% (1937: 30%)
Black: 5% (1958: 63%, 1987: 21%)
Jewish: 6% (1937: 47%)
Baptist: 6%
Woman: 8%
Mormon: 17%
Muslim: 38%
***: 37% (1978: 74%)
Atheist: 48%
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by O No!:
So, you can try to weasel out of it, but it is TRUE that you do it as a sign of disrespect, and on top of that, you just made it up about capitalizing the "J", and got caought in a lie. Here it is:

 

 

I don't really care much one way or another if you accept my explanation.  All gods are figments of human imagination. I shouldn't capitalize "god" any more than I should capitalize "id" or "ego."

And, no, of course I do not respect your "God"  Why would you be surprised at that?


You've made it very obvious that you don't respect my God. My point though is, if you had any respect for US, you would capitalize these words. I am not a Mormon, but when I am writing to Skippy or Windsong, I always capitalize the M in Mormon, because I respect THEM. I always capitalize Jehovah's Witnesses too, even though I think they've got it all totally wrong. Heck, I even capitalize the words Republican and Tea Party, not because I respect Tea Partiers. On the contrary, I have less respect for them than most, but if I wanted to insult them, I would do it by pointing out the truth of how wrong they are, not by flinging insults. And when you get down to it, refusing to capitalize ANY proper name is on a par with name calling. Name calling is beneath me. Not so for you, obviously. 

Interesting.  I've always struggled with why Muslims get all upset over depictions of Mohammad. They even kill people who do that.  I never understood why.  But I guess I am one step closer to understanding. You are so upset and consider it some sort of exaggerated offense if I do not capitalize the name of your god.  How petty is that?  I've even given you reasoned explanations why I do so and am called a liar.  Why in the world would I lie about that?  


THIS is what religion does to people. Reason has evaporated and replaced with superstitious obsessiveness with capitalization?.  How much more would it take for you to wish me to eternal torture for offending your god by grievous mispelling? Perhaps you already have? If you get so angry at such a little offense, how much more would it take for you to be driven to violence?

 

Think about it, Ono. Look what it's done to you. 

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

Interesting.  I've always struggled with why Muslims get all upset over depictions of Mohammad. They even kill people who do that.  I never understood why.  But I guess I am one step closer to understanding. You are so upset and consider it some sort of exaggerated offense if I do not capitalize the name of your god.  How petty is that?  I've even given you reasoned explanations why I do so and am called a liar.  Why in the world would I lie about that?  


THIS is what religion does to people. Reason has evaporated and replaced with superstitious obsessiveness with capitalization?.  How much more would it take for you to wish me to eternal torture for offending your god by grievous mispelling? Perhaps you already have? If you get so angry at such a little offense, how much more would it take for you to be driven to violence?

 

Think about it, Ono. Look what it's done to you. 

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Blue Buddy, I, and most people, don't care about capitalization. Some do.

These posts ain't gonna be graded.

The only thing I would want clear for myself is, I will never wish eternal torture

for anyone. Thats isn't something for anyone to wish jokingly, or willfully.

If those people knew what was actually involved with that, they might rethink it.

 

Don't worry about O No, shes good to go.

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

Interesting.  I've always struggled with why Muslims get all upset over depictions of Mohammad. They even kill people who do that.  I never understood why.  But I guess I am one step closer to understanding. You are so upset and consider it some sort of exaggerated offense if I do not capitalize the name of your god.  How petty is that?  I've even given you reasoned explanations why I do so and am called a liar.  Why in the world would I lie about that?  


THIS is what religion does to people. Reason has evaporated and replaced with superstitious obsessiveness with capitalization?.  How much more would it take for you to wish me to eternal torture for offending your god by grievous mispelling? Perhaps you already have? If you get so angry at such a little offense, how much more would it take for you to be driven to violence?

 

Think about it, Ono. Look what it's done to you. 


With that my respect for you just dropped to below zero. I have often said that you deliberately misunderstand people whenever you're painted into a corner. ANYONE who read my last post understands that I am asking you to treat your fellow FORUM MEMBERS with respect, just as I treat Muslims, Jehovah's Wintnesses, Teap Party members, and others with respect, regardless of whether or not I agree with them. You PRETEND not to understand my point. So be it.

 

And I don't call you a liar because you "explained" your reasoning. I call you a liar because you DID lie when you said you Capitalize Jesus' name, and I PROVED that you don't by clicking on the first post from the past that I encountered. You lied. That is a fact, and once again, you're trying to weaasel out of it.

 

Who do you think you're fooling? Certainly not me, nor anyone else who reads this thread. All you are doing is making yourself look like the "person" that you are - one who will NEVER admit he is wrong, one who will lie when necessary in order to make himself look good. I am glad YOU can live with yourself, because if I ever lied and danced  and weaseled around the way you do, I wouldn't even be able to look in the mirror. You are not only a liar and a weasler, but you're a darned poor example of an "enlightened" human being. You are doing a fine job of making all atheists look bad. Keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

Interesting.  I've always struggled with why Muslims get all upset over depictions of Mohammad. They even kill people who do that.  I never understood why.  But I guess I am one step closer to understanding. You are so upset and consider it some sort of exaggerated offense if I do not capitalize the name of your god.  How petty is that?  I've even given you reasoned explanations why I do so and am called a liar.  Why in the world would I lie about that?  


THIS is what religion does to people. Reason has evaporated and replaced with superstitious obsessiveness with capitalization?.  How much more would it take for you to wish me to eternal torture for offending your god by grievous mispelling? Perhaps you already have? If you get so angry at such a little offense, how much more would it take for you to be driven to violence?

 

Think about it, Ono. Look what it's done to you. 


With that my respect for you just dropped to below zero. I have often said that you deliberately misunderstand people whenever you're painted into a corner. ANYONE who read my last post understands that I am asking you to treat your fellow FORUM MEMBERS with respect, just as I treat Muslims, Jehovah's Wintnesses, Teap Party members, and others with respect, regardless of whether or not I agree with them. You PRETEND not to understand my point. So be it.

 

And I don't call you a liar because you "explained" your reasoning. I call you a liar because you DID lie when you said you Capitalize Jesus' name, and I PROVED that you don't by clicking on the first post from the past that I encountered. You lied. That is a fact, and once again, you're trying to weaasel out of it.

 

Who do you think you're fooling? Certainly not me, nor anyone else who reads this thread. All you are doing is making yourself look like the "person" that you are - one who will NEVER admit he is wrong, one who will lie when necessary in order to make himself look good. I am glad YOU can live with yourself, because if I ever lied and danced  and weaseled around the way you do, I wouldn't even be able to look in the mirror. You are not only a liar and a weasler, but you're a darned poor example of an "enlightened" human being. You are doing a fine job of making all atheists look bad. Keep up the good work!

 

 

 

 

OUCH!

Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

With that my respect for you just dropped to below zero. I have often said that you deliberately misunderstand people whenever you're painted into a corner. ANYONE who read my last post understands that I am asking you to treat your fellow FORUM MEMBERS with respect,

Why should I respect these anonomous avatars that are here for the sole purpose of representing a religion that I despise for demonstrable reasons?  You are a supporter of a Mad Mad God (note the "respectful" capitalization and it did hurt a little to do that) who punishes His children with the most unimaginable pain.  I can certainly respect you as a person in "real life" but this isn't real life, Ono.  We debate here.  We do things just to generate responses from those we disagree with.  It's nothing personal. It's just a pastime that you are taking waaaay too seriously.

And, no, I don't' expect you to respect my avatar either.  I would be surprised at any Christian who did. Any reasoned challenge to their faith is seen as a personal attack.  I guess I can understand that on certain levels.  After all, your invisible sky fairy is your close, personal friend and "father."  But I can't respect that imaginary friend any more than I can respect a father who is a "pillar of the community" who beats his wife and children  You may ask me to do so (as you are here) but I cannot and will not for perfectly moral and just reasons.

 

And I don't call you a liar because you "explained" your reasoning. I call you a liar because you DID lie when you said you Capitalize Jesus' name, and I PROVED that you don't by clicking on the first post from the past that I encountered. You lied. That is a fact, and once again, you're trying to weaasel out of it.

My goodness.  You posted a paragraph that was completely devoid of any capitalization as "proof" of me "lying" about capitalization?  Really?  Ono, seriously, you need help.  You're obsessed with me and it probably isn't healthy.  Back away from the keyboard.  You don't have to respond to anything I state here.  Take a break from the forum. I've become some sort of depository for your anger.  I'll accept the job as it does not bother me but I am honest when I say I am concerned for your metal well-being.  

 

 

I WILL be ignoring you from now on, Unob. But it's not because of any mental problem or obsession. It is because I don't like the kind of person you are. Now, you will ignore this next part, so I want to make it perfectly clear. Please, take the time to read and ABSORB it:

 

The reason I don't like you has nothing whatsoever to do with your atheism.

 

Repeat: It has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH YOUR ATHEISM.

 

The reason I don't like you is I don't like people who are so dishonest that they will do anything to save face. There are some Christians here who do the exact same thing. You know of course, that I am talking about Bill. When Bill is confronted with the truth about his behavior, he willfully misunderstands, and addresses a completely different part of the person's post. He usually adds some kind of insult to cover up his lack of honest response, just the way you just ran out of ideas of how to defend yourself, and so resorted to questioning my mental stability. EXACT same MO that Bill uses.

 

You accuse Bill of making up his own interpretation of scripture, and then you turn around and do the EXACT same thing. You take verses out of context, claiming they mean one thing, and when someone posts the surrounding verses, proving that what you posted means the opposite of what you claim, you pretend not to understand. Once again, the EXACT same MO as Bill.

 

You like to think you are enlightened and logical. Yet your behavior here shows that you are just as subject to human frailty as anyone, and indeed, more than most. Your fault is the same as Bill's. Your ego will not allow you to ever admit error, and your writing shows your desperation to be admired.

 

Most honest and intelligent people admire those who are willing to concede a point when one has been made. You do not belong in this catagory. So I will ignore you the way I mostly ignore Bill. My time is too valuable to waste on someone like you.

Originally Posted by dark dreamer:
You just made Magpie's(rRam's) day Jimi. He's been logged on and waiting all evening(all day?) for a real person to talk to him.  LOL


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uhh, dark, i stay logged on most of the time on two computers. My laptop and smart phone. That don't mean I'm at home or even paying attention to either computer. I don't disconnect all that often. I might miss something. I spend several hours a day listening to lectures. What do you do all day. Work? Retired? Kept? What?

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