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Originally Posted by jtdavis:

We spend the money, but, where does the money go to?  Not the teachers.  If you go to the voucher system, it will create a monster bigger and worse than we not have.

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How is getting our kids a decent education and saving taxpayers money creating a monster? 

Conserve  education funds in the Shoals.  Establish a Greater Shoals Education District, consolidating city and county systems in Colbert and Lauderdale Counties into one administrative unit.  Appoint a single  superintendent of schools, trim down administrative support staffs,  and use the savings for something other than support of top-heavy administrative bureaucracies.

Originally Posted by Contendah:

Conserve  education funds in the Shoals.  Establish a Greater Shoals Education District, consolidating city and county systems in Colbert and Lauderdale Counties into one administrative unit.  Appoint a single  superintendent of schools, trim down administrative support staffs,  and use the savings for something other than support of top-heavy administrative bureaucracies.

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For public schools I agree. As long as they leave private schools alone.

Originally Posted by Jobe:
Originally Posted by Contendah:

Conserve  education funds in the Shoals.  Establish a Greater Shoals Education District, consolidating city and county systems in Colbert and Lauderdale Counties into one administrative unit.  Appoint a single  superintendent of schools, trim down administrative support staffs,  and use the savings for something other than support of top-heavy administrative bureaucracies.

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For public schools I agree. As long as they leave private schools alone.

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Of course I meant only public  schools ("city and county systems").  It would be impossible, Constitutionally speaking, the combine public and private schools

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Charter schools is just another word for let tax money pay for our recruited ball teams, not tuition fees.

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Charter schools are run, usually by parents, under a contract with the district.  They are released from most requirements to hire the teachers they wish.  Some are bad, but most have better results than the regular public schools.  Charter schools fit larger cities, as there are usually not enough children in the smaller school districts for both the regular public school and a charter. 

 

In Alabama, I'd estimate that Birmingham, Montgomery and Mobile should have charter schools because of the poor schools and larger population,

 

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

the rt. wingnuts LOVE charter schools.. they can indoctrinate the attending children in their form of 'science'.. if you can use the term 'science' to describe anything related to the party of 'science deniers'.

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A statement that could only be made by a public school graduate.  The bad schools don't have their contracts renewed..  Parents in poor school districts compete for spaces in charter schools vs.  public ones.

 

This ranks with those earlier comments on homeschooling, which proved to be false as the homeschooled tested well above their public school counterparts. 

the above statement could only be made by a person willing to LIE to farther their political agenda.. there is NO WAY dire can defend charter schools teaching evolution is 'sketchy'.. out of text books that declare 'in the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth.'.. in their very first sentence...  dire would rather lie about the facts.. than try to discuss them.

dire, thanks for helping me prove my point!

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

the above statement could only be made by a person willing to LIE to farther their political agenda.. there is NO WAY dire can defend charter schools teaching evolution is 'sketchy'.. out of text books that declare 'in the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth.'.. in their very first sentence...  dire would rather lie about the facts.. than try to discuss them.

dire, thanks for helping me prove my point!


Crash,

Please enlighten us with your public school education that you are so proud of and tell us how the heavens and earth were created...and by the way be sure and provide some proof fo your theory since you are so quick to deny someone else's explanation.

In my "ignorance" I find it amusing that people like you have a problem with other's beliefs when it is really no skin off your nose. If they are wrong and God does not exist, what have they lost and what have you gained?  If you are wrong about his existence, what have you lost? Just because some parents feel the need to send their children, at their own expense, to a school which bases it's premise on religion does not mean they are turning out fanatics by the drove.  If you really want to compare, let's look at the incidence of violent crime against other students in these charter schools vs. what occurs in public schools.  Let's look at the successful graduation rates and how many of those kids go on to college.

I would not be so quick to denigrate something that you obviously do not understand.

Last edited by teyates
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

the above statement could only be made by a person willing to LIE to farther their political agenda.. there is NO WAY dire can defend charter schools teaching evolution is 'sketchy'.. out of text books that declare 'in the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth.'.. in their very first sentence...  dire would rather lie about the facts.. than try to discuss them.

dire, thanks for helping me prove my point!

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Teyates said most of it.   Yes, creationism was taught in one Texas district.  That hardly indicts every charter school However, the miserable results of many public schools does indict that system,  Instead if trying something different, the left's answer is always to throw more money at the problem, then full speed ahead, Damm the torpedoes.  Progressives -- nothing new allowed after 1935.

 

FYI, for history buffs, Farragut's next order was "abandon ship."

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

the above statement could only be made by a person willing to LIE to farther

Father their political agenda.  Sound like someone went to Deshler.  

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well, as soon as you can get some reading comprehension classes.. maybe you'll be up to a public education.. a pure simpleton.. plain and simple.

Originally Posted by teyates:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

the above statement could only be made by a person willing to LIE to farther their political agenda.. there is NO WAY dire can defend charter schools teaching evolution is 'sketchy'.. out of text books that declare 'in the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth.'.. in their very first sentence...  dire would rather lie about the facts.. than try to discuss them.

dire, thanks for helping me prove my point!


Crash,

Please enlighten us with your public school education that you are so proud of and tell us how the heavens and earth were created...and by the way be sure and provide some proof fo your theory since you are so quick to deny someone else's explanation.

In my "ignorance" I find it amusing that people like you have a problem with other's beliefs when it is really no skin off your nose. If they are wrong and God does not exist, what have they lost and what have you gained?  If you are wrong about his existence, what have you lost? Just because some parents feel the need to send their children, at their own expense, to a school which bases it's premise on religion does not mean they are turning out fanatics by the drove.  If you really want to compare, let's look at the incidence of violent crime against other students in these charter schools vs. what occurs in public schools.  Let's look at the successful graduation rates and how many of those kids go on to college.

I would not be so quick to denigrate something that you obviously do not understand.

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so, let me get this straight.. a person in the medical profession is perfectly fine saying that 'evolution is sketchy'? and teaching the 'bible' as fact. however, i need to provide proof... ok, gotcha...  i hope i never need you for a dr.

 

Haha...you are a true moron. And you wanna to talk about someone else's reading comprehension? Really?  Not that I have ever made it public, nor is it really any of your business, but I will tell you this. I went thru college, have two BS degrees, and minors in Militray Science and Chemstry.  I attended medical school where I graduated with honors in the top of my class.  I followed that with five years of residency and was taught / mentored by some of the brightest people in the country, some were even agnostic or atheist.  I even have had the opportunities to travel to other countries and work in their medical operations.  I have yet to see an intelligent caring physician, nurse, or professor who ever had the audacity to think they had all the answers.  Unlike yourself, who evidently is a super rich well credentialed businessman who owns a diner / bar, and yet claims to know everything about creation and the source of it, even most of these people were never so arrogant.  Perhaps you could enlighten us. 

Yes, I am a Christian and believe in God and if that would deter you from having me take care of your health, it is no skin off my back.  Your problem is that you think everyone who does believe in God cannot freely believe in things such as dinosaurs or a Big Bang, and I am here to tell you that is wrong.  Every scientific argument always comes back to the Big Bang, which most recently was described as an instaneous generation of matter from nothingness.  Hmmmm, last time I read the Bible, it pretty much said the same thing, It just said that God did it. He made something where there was nothing before.  It never goes on to explain how or why he did it, because most of us have a difficlut time getting our finite minds around something so fanastic.  You on the other hand do not have that problem...

Perhaps when you are in the process of running the super business this evening you could jot down some of your knowledge for the rest of the Neanderthals who don't really have a concept of how life really works.  I have been around long enough and seen enough carnage to know that "there are no such things as atheists in the foxhole". I used to not really know what that meant until I saw a young family whose child was just diagnosed with cancer, or a mother whose kid had been brought to the ER after an accident. Being an atheist is fine if you think you are strong enough to carry that load all by yourself, but I assure you, work in my profession long enough, and you will find out that can be a very heavy load. I would hope for your sake that this is never the case.

But lest I ramble on, why don't you just tell us why people should not be allowed to send their children to charter schools and how much better public education systems are?  And be sure to go back to the questions I originally asked you and to compare rates of student violence, graduation rates, and successful college careers.  When you get all that data together and have a valid argument, come back and join the adult conversation. 

Crash, see it is easy to pick out the faults in Christians, it tends to be a sport amongst most of the confessed atheists I have met.  but when push comes to shove I have never seen an atheist who could tell me exactly what they had to give up to believe in a Creator. And I have never met a real Christian who would tell you that they are perfect and cannot make mistakes. The fact that they are able to recognize they are not perfect might be one of those things you are giving up, huh?

thanks for the sermon.. please show me where i said i 'had all the answers'?  for you to be so arrogant as to assume you know anything about me, my business, or my level of intelligence is ridiculous.. for you to go on a purely unrelated bible rant is ridiculous.. i'm sorry you got your dander up, but to completely ignore the THEORY of evolution in favor of the bible as a fact based science book is beyond ridiculous...  now that you've just 'in a christian way' condemned me.. and told me exactly how horrible it will be to go through a 'personal tragedy' without religion.. how about we set up a 'charter school' for every religion and go from there.. if the government is providing money.. will they provide money for a 'muslim based charter school'?  do you get a voucher for the 'flying spaghetti monster charter school'?  how do we decide where the 'voucher money' should go? what about testing? do we make a religious based standardized tests? one for muslims, one for christians, one for atheist... i'm sorry you see the need to put your religion into your science.. i hope you keep it out of you medicine.. the did that once.. we call it the 'dark ages'.. perhaps in all your education, someone mentioned that?

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

yes, jt.. and for dire to make the great lie of 'only one charter school is teaching religion' is as ridiculous as he has become!  dire has joined best in 'bizarro world' where everything is backwards from the real world.

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Impossible, you own the portal to that plane.

Well,

 

I believe in God the creator.

 

I don’t believe in the Big Bang.

 

I don’t believe in Darwinian evolution.

 

I don’t believe in string theory yet.

 

I believe in private schools.

 

I believe in Common Core.

 

I believe we need the lottery.

 

I don’t believe the Higgs boson has been proven to be a part of the Standard Model.

 

I’m skeptical that the Higgs Field can be proven to be due to a Higgs particle.

 

I believe in entanglement.

 

I don’t yet believe in a massless neutrino.

 

I believe in spooky action at a distance.

 

……and I believe God plays dice with us.

 

Like the Bible, I believe the use of mathematics can be arrainged to prove anything.

 

I believe in Obama and the Democrats.

 

I believe in collective bargaining.

 

I believe Bergdahl had frontal lobe problems when he enlisted.

 

I don’t believe conservatives to be honest with themselves.

 

 

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