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It's a simple question to ask are you better off today and four years ago?  President Obama has been in power long enough and under such circumstances that he, and his administration. along with the Democrats, that he and they should have and could have made the moves and changes that should have turned things around.  Regardless of what he inherited, which contrary to what is stated now, was well aware to anyone who did the research to investigate.  There is no way anything that George Bush and the Republicans did was beyond being known with a media that was more than at his heels every day and looking to tear him down.  

 

The first two years not only did President Obama have a "honeymoon" period in office but he had a media that was going along with everything he did or said.  He had a media that did little to no research on him and his background and he had a Legislative branch, both of which (House and Senate) had majorities that allowed them to pass ANY legislation they desired to.  For two years the Democrats controlled all areas of Government necessary to allow them to enact and pass any law or legislation to effect the country and direction of the nation.  The Republicans had NO power or opportunity to stop them.  So the question is WHAT did they do?  Why did they not correct the problems?  President Obama has had four years now and when we look at the things that we should look at in order to ask the question should a person have four more years or be re-elected then here are a few of the questions and facts that should be considered.

 

1)  The national debt is far in excess of what it was when Bush handed it over to Obama.  In fact there has been more spending and debt incurred under Obama than ANY other President in history and more than the combination of presidents in the past.  

 

2)  Gas/Fuel prices have risen to levels far above what we saw and paid under George Bush and the Republicans.  Not since the Carter administration have we been in such dire conditions where foreign oil interest and foreign powers influence the prices we pay.  The President and Democrats suggest they have no power or control of fuel prices yet when the Republicans and George Bush was in power and prices rose during those years they campaigned that George Bush was responsible and did have control.  How is it that now they don't?  How can you say decisions such as prohibiting and restricting drilling on our own public lands such as Anwar and in the Gulf of Mexico do not restrict our nations supply and access to oil that is totally under our own control?  In large measure in response to the gulf oil spill the President and the Democrats put a moratorium on all additional drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and eliminated that area as a source of oil.  How can decisions like that not have an end effect upon exactly who controls the price we pay?

 

3)  Unemployment, even with measuring it under a new method of calculation, that no longer recognizes the people who have ceased searching for jobs, has stayed at historically  bad levels and above 8%.  Unemployment has remained higher than under the Republican administration and George Bush's administration. 

 

4)  Housing has not improved and in many cases has worsened under Barak Obama to the point that most people are underwater on their mortgages and have no way out.  People owe more than their houses are worth and home sale values are still int he tank and the worst that they have been during our recent history.

 

5)  The US has seen one downgrade and very possibly will see another downgrade in our credit rating.  The US has historically the highest debt owed to former enemies than at any time in the past and we are Industrially weaker than at any time in our post World War II history.  Never before has so little Industry within our own borders existed.  Although this did not happen solely under Barak Obama his Administration and the Democrats, when they had total control of the nation, did nothing to turn this around or improve it in any way.  Remember it was under the Clinton Administration that NAFTA was enacted all be it with approval of the Republicans as well.  It seems the great nonpartisan action that the two parties have been able to cooperate on was providing avenues which could remove jobs from America and send them to other Nations.

 

6)  More and more former confidants of the Obama Administration are coming forward to explain and reveal what an amateur President Obama is when it comes to not only being President but when dealing with other world leaders, leaders who seek to see America's influence and power in the world disappear or diminish.  

 

With the above and many other facts and information how can anyone present an argument that explains and justifies why Obama should be re-elected?  Why is asking are you (our Nation) better off today than four years ago not be a valid question?   It should be more than revealing that the Democrats main argument of why Obama should be re-elected rest on fears of what another person (Romney) MIGHT do or having to go back to a prior administration that the present Administration could not correct or reverse, in oder.   They have to rely upon these arguments rather than spotlight the accolades of what the Administration has done to remedy the situation we are in.  Simply the reason that the Democratic party cannot trot out the Achievements of the Administration and their Congress is that there are not any achievements that are making a positive difference.  The only achievements are those which are making the situation worse and no one can campaign on things that make people's lives worse so they have to misdirect the attention to other things.

 

Why not give the Republican party a chance to see what they can do?  The people of Wisconsin and New Jersey decided to change from Democratic leadership to Republican and give them a chance and the result has been, at least since they took over, positive and turning their Economies and Business situations, including jobs and other economic factors, such as their overall debt, around.   ANY Independent voter should be within their rights to ask such questions and expect rational answers to those questions and facts.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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Originally Posted by yoda:

the jobs were lost under "W"... we're paying for a war "W" put on the credit card... we're trying to control banks that "w" let go unchecked... sure, we can afford another republican!

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Hey Yoder,

You libs just can’t ever understand the way the Economy works.

Such a pity.

Just can’t get over your party, as Shultz from Hogan’s Heroes in the sixties always said, “ I know nothing”. George is enjoying retirement from his two terms as POTUS. He has nothing to do with Obama’s Bungling of the Economy for over three years. The first two years, as the Economy Spirals in Free-Fall.

What do the Dems do? First the Cap and Trade then Obama Care, which by the way will be history after the US Supreme Court has its ruling. The Economy??? Not-ah.

By the way, the idea of Obama-Care being what the original Romney-Care. TWO Completely Different things constitutionally. So called Romney Care is constitutionally legal thru the constitution of Massachusetts and right at least for the citizens of Massachusetts (majority).

The so-called Obama-Care law is flawed constitutionally. The US Constitution does not give the Government the right to require every self-sustaining citizen of the US buy or be supplied by their employer, or be fined. The Supreme Court of the US will strike it down.

Can have another 4+ years of no-nothing Democrats taking our country on a

       

Free falling roller coaster ride? I think not.

Now you Democrats please read carefully………

GEORGE W BUSH is NOT the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES ANYMORE!!!!!

As Sister Mary’s Elephant would say, “Thank You".

Skippy

"Now you Democrats please read carefully………

GEORGE W BUSH is NOT the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES ANYMORE!!!!!"

 

That's like telling people, "There is no tornado in your town anymore! So why isn't everything cleaned up and rebuilt yet?"

 

It takes time to overcome a disaster like those tornadoes. OR a disaster like Bush.

Originally Posted by O No!:

"Now you Democrats please read carefully………

GEORGE W BUSH is NOT the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES ANYMORE!!!!!"

 

That's like telling people, "There is no tornado in your town anymore! So why isn't everything cleaned up and rebuilt yet?"

 

It takes time to overcome a disaster like those tornadoes. OR a disaster like Bush.


Are you saying that you think president Obama has done everything right? Do you believe that president Obama will appoint conservative or liberal supreme court justices? If liberal justices are the majority I believe this country will self destruct.

Originally Posted by Gingee:
Originally Posted by O No!:

"Now you Democrats please read carefully………

GEORGE W BUSH is NOT the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES ANYMORE!!!!!"

 

That's like telling people, "There is no tornado in your town anymore! So why isn't everything cleaned up and rebuilt yet?"

 

It takes time to overcome a disaster like those tornadoes. OR a disaster like Bush.


Are you saying that you think president Obama has done everything right? Do you believe that president Obama will appoint conservative or liberal supreme court justices? If liberal justices are the majority I believe this country will self destruct.

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Did I SAY that Obama has done everything right? No. But he is better than Bush was. ANYBODY would be better than Bush was. I truly believe Bush was the worst president this country has ever had. A LOT of people do, and the past four years have not wiped out the memory. That is why I think a lot of people will NOT vote for a Republican, ANY Republican for a long time.

 

As I have said before, Romney is probably more liberal than Obama and I'm sorry for you ultra-conservatives, but our next president WILL be a liberal, no matter which one wins. But I think Obama will win, simply because we need to get the bad taste of Bush out of our mouths, and that bitter nasty taste is still lingering.

 

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Originally Posted by yoda:

the jobs were lost under "W"... we're paying for a war "W" put on the credit card... we're trying to control banks that "w" let go unchecked... sure, we can afford another republican!

______________________________________________

Hey Yoder,

You libs just can’t ever understand the way the Economy works.

Such a pity.

Just can’t get over your party, as Shultz from Hogan’s Heroes in the sixties always said, “ I know nothing”. George is enjoying retirement from his two terms as POTUS. He has nothing to do with Obama’s Bungling of the Economy for over three years. The first two years, as the Economy Spirals in Free-Fall.

What do the Dems do? First the Cap and Trade then Obama Care, which by the way will be history after the US Supreme Court has its ruling. The Economy??? Not-ah.

By the way, the idea of Obama-Care being what the original Romney-Care. TWO Completely Different things constitutionally. So called Romney Care is constitutionally legal thru the constitution of Massachusetts and right at least for the citizens of Massachusetts (majority).

The so-called Obama-Care law is flawed constitutionally. The US Constitution does not give the Government the right to require every self-sustaining citizen of the US buy or be supplied by their employer, or be fined. The Supreme Court of the US will strike it down.

Can have another 4+ years of no-nothing Democrats taking our country on a

       

Free falling roller coaster ride? I think not.

Now you Democrats please read carefully………

GEORGE W BUSH is NOT the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES ANYMORE!!!!!

As Sister Mary’s Elephant would say, “Thank You".

Skippy

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skippy... get a clue... before you talk to me about ANYTHING!

we liberals can't fix, in two years, what you broke in 8 years!

Originally Posted by yoda:

the jobs were lost under "W"... we're paying for a war "W" put on the credit card... we're trying to control banks that "w" let go unchecked... sure, we can afford another republican!

Now Yodie, all the Democraps were saying Sunday that it is the fault of Congress now... the same one they had total control over for two years... who's next to blame? Martians?

Originally Posted by yoda:
skippy... get a clue... before you talk to me about ANYTHING!

we liberals can't fix, in two years, what you broke in 8 years!

Well Yodie, it would have been nice to see something that worked in two years, at least an honest effort, rather than trying to time everything for the 2012 election now wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by gbrk:

[Edited]  It's a simple question to ask are you better off today and four years ago?  President Obama has been in power long enough and under such circumstances that he, and his administration. along with the Democrats, that he and they should have and could have made the moves and changes that should have turned things around.  

 

Why not give the Republican party a chance to see what they can do?  

 

 That is what they want voters to think -- after their craftily-laid plans.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/...ilibuster.aspx#page2

 

McConnell denies GOP ‘rooting’ for economy to fail

http://thehill.com/video/senat...cusations-on-economy

 

 

“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” ~Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader, (R-Ky.), October 2010

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I am better off than I was 4 years ago, sales were down for a while and we did have to work harder to retain clients and to make new sales BUT a whole lot of competitors who were not as strong are now out of business so it's sort of smooth sailing at the moment. There is also the fact the we have bought a lot of real estate over the last 3 years at a fraction of what the land would have cost before all this mess. Frankly I do not know why I am voting for Romney, with him in office the economy will likely improve and a lot of the pesky competitors will start popping up again and buying new land will not be so affordable.

For the whiny little bee-atches crying that "You can't expect we liberals to fix what was destroyed over eight years in only two!", why not? I mean you all claim to be sooper geniuses, so much smarter than conservatives or even libertarians, so why not? I mean you guys initiated the "War on Poverty" well over forty years ago, so.... oh wait... never mind... I guess you're right, if you can't fix it in forty plus years you're not gonna be able to do it in two. I at least will admit when I'm wrong, you libs can't fix it...

awwww... i'm sorry that it took AT LEAST two years to come to grips with the problems caused by "W"... then, we have a majority of congress who's only job was to "make obama a one term president"... oh, that's right, you rt. wingnuts stopped progress , as best you could!

now, why couldn't obama get your mess cleaned up, i forget!?

Originally Posted by yoda:

awwww... i'm sorry that it took AT LEAST two years to come to grips with the problems caused by "W"... then, we have a majority of congress who's only job was to "make obama a one term president"... oh, that's right, you rt. wingnuts stopped progress , as best you could!

now, why couldn't obama get your mess cleaned up, i forget!?

Libs’ “War on Poverty”…. Forty plus years… you lose. Well, we all lose... but like a good little libtard, never let a negative or null result stop your "progress".

The Dems are trying to perpetuate a myth that Bush is responsible for the recession. Not, hardly!  Repeatedly, he attempted to end the spiraling debt caused by an injection of cash to those not capable of repaying the debt.  He was rebuffed by congress.  Dodd and Frank assured all and sundry that things were fine.  

 

In Europe, we seen the end game of socialism and its destruction of nations.  Yet, Obama and his little helpers insist they can do it better, if only given a chance.  Repeat an action and expect a different results.  Sounds like faith based economics -- true voodoo economics.  Next, I guess they'll be wringing chicken necks. Zombies, after that? 

I tend to be more conservative on issues however I also believe that, as the founders believed, Government better functions when it is balanced and in order to be balanced there needs to be liberal voices and opinions as well as conservative.  One side alone or when things get out of balance can lead to a Government that is grossly out of touch with it's people and that we have now but in large part we have deviated from the path that the founders presented for us to stay on.  Granted there is much they could not have foreseen or known such as how large our Nation has gotten and technology as well as the scope of the World Wars that we fought and the inner connections of World economies today.  

 

Still with all that I don't believe that the Constitution is outdated or obsolete.  I think that along the line though we, as a nation and government, have deviated from it or failed to adapt the basic principals that are contained within the Constitution.  One area of that deviation has been in the powers assumed and taken by the Executive branch and yielded up by Congress.  Another is the balance of powers, the Checks and Balances seem to be more ignored today and far more power given to the Federal Government and taken from the States than the founders would have thought beneficial to our freedoms.  

 

There is a book called "The 5000 year leap" Principals of Freedom 101 by Skousen which I believe should be studied and taught in any High School today.  The leaders of our Country then argued and disagreed greatly as the do today but at least then they had focus on the most important thing and that was the Nation and Country as a whole and our Constitution as the founding document.  A Government that was balanced and yet functioned together, left and right, liberal and conservatives.  Men who detested each other at times but respected each other none the less.  They had their differences yet respect ruled the day and even though there was disagreement there was morals in that no one side or group would wish harm on the nation even if it meant that the opposing party or group would suffer due to it.  Their concern was more for the unity of the nation than it was for their own policies and personal concerns.  Members of each party kept watch on members of their own parties and were equally condemning of their moves when it pushed the nation away from that balanced center.  Among chief concern to them was that there be an enlightened electorate.  

 

If I might I will quote from pages 25, 26, & 27 Referring to America's three headed eagle and it's two wings.  "The Two Wings of the Eagle"

"The Founder's view of their new form of government can be further demonstrated by using the symbol of the eagle and referring to its two wings: #1 The Problem-Solving Wing & #2 The Conservative Wing.  Wing #1 of the eagle might be referred to as the problem solving wing or the wing of compassion.  Those who function through this dimension of the system are sensitive to the unfulfilled needs of the people.  They dream of elaborate plans to solve these problems.

 

Wing #2 has the responsibility of conserving the nation's resources and the people's freedom.  It's function is to analyze the programs of wing #1 with two questions.  First can we afford it?  Secondly, what will it do to the rights and individual freedom of the people?"

 

Jefferson although a member of one party in his inaugural address stressed the importance of both parties and needs of both parties to work together to solve the nations needs.  They may have different ways to solve them but they both were focused on the needs overall.  Jefferson said "We have called by different names brethren of the same principal.  We are all Republicans -- we are all federalist (Albert Ellery Bergh ed. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson:  3:319).   This was a part taken from "The 5000 year leap".  The point was that government functioned best when there was respect and compromise.  Today there is such polarization that one group (democrats or republicans) want to see failure in the other party so that they might can gain from it even if it hurts the nation.  Failure in military conflict or failure in the economy just as long as their party benefits and reaps the rewards from the fall out.  This was not the case then.  Even here you see some say they will never vote republican or never vote democrat without realizing that it takes both parties and good people in both parties in order to solve a crisis.  Sometimes we need a democrat in office and policies that they sponsor to bring us back center and other times we need a strong conservative republican to bring us back to the center but we need both less we lean toward either Aanarchy or Tyranny.   

 

There are times that we need a pro-business environment in which to create jobs and keep us strong economically and there are other times that Greed needs to be kept in check and to keep in check the tendency to allow abuses to take advantage of people.  Today I fear we are so polarized that no one group of people want to approach the center any longer but like magnets repelling each other they don't get within any distance of each other but repeal to the far fringes of each's own particular position or power.  Is our hate for Bush or Obama worth the destruction of our Nation and our personal freedoms or should we not strive to identify rational competent people in both parties that have mutual respect for each other and concern for the overall good rather than what benefits their own party for the season?  Obama may be a good man, he may be smart or intelligent in some areas but he's inexperienced as President and I believe truly out of his field and can damage our country by what he doesn't know.  It may be possible that one man or woman can solve our problems but what I truly believe is it ins't the one man but the aides and the people that the man knows to put into the places to accomplish the goals.  No one person can know everything so the importance is in who they assign to be over the various departments and who they call upon to assist them in solving the problems.  Additionally having a Legislative branch that works with the President and visa versa for the common good and working together to restore trust to and in the Government for that is one thing that is sorely missing today.  No one trust in our leaders to be able to solve anything and unfortunately most of our leaders perform down to expectations.  It's time to identify the problems and work toward fixing them.  

 

Many of the answers, in my opinion, regarding healthcare, jobs, and other issues, resides in the States alone and the Federal Government needs to get out of the way and stop making it difficult for the States to do what they can and should.   Then yes we have states that are like California who are so in bad shape that they alone could help bring down the federal government or make it worse.    

 

I just fully believe Obama is out of his element and has not the resources to be President.  I believe he is more an activist and visionary than a leader and someone to get the job done.  Now we need a leader with experience, governing experience that knows how to work with the House and Senate and knows how to turn an economy around.  Between the two choices of Romeny and Obama I have to lean toward Romney's experience and history.  Most likely the best person isn't running nor would run for all they put them through but we, as voters, have to make choices on what we have and given the present.  I truly believe as more and more Democrats and people who voted for Obama the first time, see his background and what he believes and his personal philosophies that they will either abstain from voting this time or decide to vote against him and I do believe that Romney will win based upon the Economy and other factors facing our country right now.   Granted that could change come September/October/November.

 
Originally Posted by interventor1212:

In every recession since WWII, we'd be climbing out of the hole by now.  Obama is repeating the same mistakes that changed a major recession into a long great depression.  Man can't learn!

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the ONLY proven method for climbing out of a depression is "WAR"... you republicans have tried that... to the point that you **** near broke the US.  it's time we find another solution!

Wrong!  The classic example of a recession recovery thru cutting of government expenses and taxes is the Coolidge administration -- produced the recovery referred to as the Roaring Twenties.  

 

For more proof.

 http://seekingalpha.com/article/142954-two-charts-imply-current-u-s-recession-may-be-longest-in-history

 

No war to end the 1920 recession, nor most of the others.  If war were the answer, wouldn't Iraq and Afghanistan caused the present recession to end.  Please research before posting.  

 

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i believe prohibition.. or "the war on alcohol"... had something to do with the "roaring twenties"...

if you don't believe war is the only cure for a depression, you better rewrite the economics books. from economics 101... to economics 322, they all say the same thing... "war is the only cure for a depression"!!!

Originally Posted by yoda:

i believe prohibition.. or "the war on alcohol"... had something to do with the "roaring twenties"...

if you don't believe war is the only cure for a depression, you better rewrite the economics books. from economics 101... to economics 322, they all say the same thing... "war is the only cure for a depression"!!!

How could Prohibition cause a recession to end, as in the 1920's?

 

"The Roaring Twenties characterizes the distinctive cultural edge of the 1920s in most of the world major cities, for a period of sustained economic prosperity."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Twenties


I've shown you a graph of the last 21 recessions. Only a couple ended contiguous with war.  The Great Depression and, perhaps the one that ended in 1969, contiguous with Viet Nam.  There have been booms and busts for the last two centuries and few busts/panics/recessions ended because of war.  

 

Except for Krugmann and Marx's Capital, I haven't read economic theory that emphasized war as a cure.  Please provide proof.


Originally Posted by yoda:
Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Originally Posted by yoda:

the jobs were lost under "W"... we're paying for a war "W" put on the credit card... we're trying to control banks that "w" let go unchecked... sure, we can afford another republican!

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Hey Yoder,

You libs just can’t ever understand the way the Economy works.

Such a pity.

Just can’t get over your party, as Shultz from Hogan’s Heroes in the sixties always said, “ I know nothing”. George is enjoying retirement from his two terms as POTUS. He has nothing to do with Obama’s Bungling of the Economy for over three years. The first two years, as the Economy Spirals in Free-Fall.

What do the Dems do? First the Cap and Trade then Obama Care, which by the way will be history after the US Supreme Court has its ruling. The Economy??? Not-ah.

By the way, the idea of Obama-Care being what the original Romney-Care. TWO Completely Different things constitutionally. So called Romney Care is constitutionally legal thru the constitution of Massachusetts and right at least for the citizens of Massachusetts (majority).

The so-called Obama-Care law is flawed constitutionally. The US Constitution does not give the Government the right to require every self-sustaining citizen of the US buy or be supplied by their employer, or be fined. The Supreme Court of the US will strike it down.

Can have another 4+ years of no-nothing Democrats taking our country on a

       

Free falling roller coaster ride? I think not.

Now you Democrats please read carefully………

GEORGE W BUSH is NOT the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES ANYMORE!!!!!

As Sister Mary’s Elephant would say, “Thank You".

Skippy

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skippy... get a clue... before you talk to me about ANYTHING!

we liberals can't fix, in two years, what you broke in 8 years!

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Yoda, here’s a clue for the clue-less.

The economy was crashing when Obama took office, which by the way was seeded in Clinton’s administration; they had both houses and the Executive Branch. Why did they not completely focus on the financial crisis??? No what was the first thing he addressed? Cap and Spend. The economy killing bill that was for his tree hugging friends. Then Obama Care, another economy killing idea. I honestly think the majority of Obama’s time in office was spent doing fundraisers for himself and vacations.

And my gosh yoda, it’s been over 3 ½ years. There is a new book on sell now by a former NY Times reporter, who by no means is a supporter of causes on the right, called, “The Amateur”.

It’s all about the President’s Bungling on the job training as an executive. Buy it, read it and learn.

Skippy

Originally Posted by yoda:
Originally Posted by interventor1212:
  Please provide proof.

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you have the degree in economics... find your economics 101 book... the proof is in there, super genius.
proof

Yoda,

 

In another thread, you complained because I referred to you as a troll.  

 

You made a statement, concerning the necessity of war to end recessions.  I showed you proof of 19 of 21 recessions that ended without war.  In fact, there were short recessions after WWI and WWII. That usually happens during the demobilization of large armies in the millions.  

 

Once more you refused to provide proof of your statements and demand I prove myself wrong -- LOL!  The rules of logic state one does not have to prove a negative.  However, proof of a claim is required -- something you still haven't provided.  

 

Once more, provide proof of your statement, or admit you can not!  Then, I may refer to you a a troll, with reason.

 

FYI, I never claimed a major in economics.  Like anyone earning a major in business at UNA, only a minor in economics required.

 

 

once again... you're twisting words and making your own facts...

i clear state... "war is the only proven method to climb from a depression"!

it's taught, to this day, in economics 101 in most universities!

you can look that up for yourself....

now, when i say "god doesn't exist"... it's your logic that i'm right, and you have to prove me wrong!

so, have at it, super douche!

the "troll" awaits!

Originally Posted by yoda:

once again... you're twisting words and making your own facts...

i clear state... "war is the only proven method to climb from a depression"!

it's taught, to this day, in economics 101 in most universities!

you can look that up for yourself....

now, when i say "god doesn't exist"... it's your logic that i'm right, and you have to prove me wrong!

so, have at it, super douche!

the "troll" awaits!

 

Yoda,

 

I held out some hope that you would either produce evidence of your statement, or realize your error and admit it.  Please review the graph I posted, once more.  The Great Depression ended in 1939, over two years before the US ramped up war time production and begin to draft millions of civilians, removing them from the workforce.  Unfortunately, you still demonstrate an inability to learn, only to spout shopworn liberal slogans that were threadbare and tattered decades ago.

Originally Posted by O No!:

"Now you Democrats please read carefully………

GEORGE W BUSH is NOT the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES ANYMORE!!!!!"

 

That's like telling people, "There is no tornado in your town anymore! So why isn't everything cleaned up and rebuilt yet?

 

It takes time to overcome a disaster like those tornadoes. OR a disaster like Bush.

BEAUTIFUL analogy, O No!  You have nailed it.  

 

Putting the brakes on the momentum of the Bush maladministration's financial disasters will not be easy, but is being accomplished.  Wing nuts who are demanding that it be faster just have not reckoned with its severity.  GOP obstructionists in the Congress don't want to see progress in cleaning up the mess because they want to put their Plastic Man, Mr. Etch-a-Sketch, in the White House, who will throw sand in the gears of recovery by doing all he can to further fatten his fat cat friends at the expense of the middle class and the poor.

Originally Posted by interventor1212:

Wrong!  The classic example of a recession recovery thru cutting of government expenses and taxes is the Coolidge administration -- produced the recovery referred to as the Roaring Twenties.  

 

For more proof.

 http://seekingalpha.com/article/142954-two-charts-imply-current-u-s-recession-may-be-longest-in-history

 

No war to end the 1920 recession, nor most of the others.  If war were the answer, wouldn't Iraq and Afghanistan caused the present recession to end.  Please research before posting.  

 

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So who should be surprised that "The current recovery is above average in duration"?  The recession that the Neocons generated is far more severe than any other recession since the Great Depression.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by interventor1212:

Wrong!  The classic example of a recession recovery thru cutting of government expenses and taxes is the Coolidge administration -- produced the recovery referred to as the Roaring Twenties.  

 

For more proof.

 http://seekingalpha.com/article/142954-two-charts-imply-current-u-s-recession-may-be-longest-in-history

 

No war to end the 1920 recession, nor most of the others.  If war were the answer, wouldn't Iraq and Afghanistan caused the present recession to end.  Please research before posting.  

 

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So who should be surprised that "The current recovery is above average in duration"?  The recession that the Neocons generated is far more severe than any other recession since the Great Depression.

Still trying to sell liberal snake oil, are you!  In no fashion did Neocons cause the recession.  Policies generated mostly by liberals caused the recession.  Bush attempted to rein in the policies, but was rebuffed by the liberal wing of congress. Dodd and Frank, while not the only guilty parties, were major contributors.  The length of the recession is a direct result of the present administration attempting solutions tried by FDR and, presently, in Europe, with the same results.  

Originally Posted by interventor1212:
Originally Posted by yoda:

once again... you're twisting words and making your own facts...

i clear state... "war is the only proven method to climb from a depression"!

it's taught, to this day, in economics 101 in most universities!

you can look that up for yourself....

now, when i say "god doesn't exist"... it's your logic that i'm right, and you have to prove me wrong!

so, have at it, super douche!

the "troll" awaits!

 

Yoda,

 

I held out some hope that you would either produce evidence of your statement, or realize your error and admit it.  Please review the graph I posted, once more.  The Great Depression ended in 1939, over two years before the US ramped up war time production and begin to draft millions of civilians, removing them from the workforce.  Unfortunately, you still demonstrate an inability to learn, only to spout shopworn liberal slogans that were threadbare and tattered decades ago.

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speaking of worn out, tired old threadbare and tattered... trickle down economics DOES NOT WORK! IF IT WORKED, WE'D HAVE JOBS RUNNING OUT OUR EARS, WITH THE RECORD PROFITS REPORTED BY ALMOST EVERY CORPORATION!  i keep hoping you will learn something, but you keep demonstrating the inability to comprehend facts!

use the following graph to help you out....

 

_____________  average intelligence

______                republican intelligence

___                      interventor intelligence

Last edited by yoda

Now i could be wrong and mistaken, I will admit that, however I do believe that the Economic tragedy of a train wreck that sent our country into a downward spiral certainly happened under Bush's watch however two things are rarely mentioned with respect to the Economic crisis.  First off the effect of the attack of September 2001 on the World Trade center which precipitated effects in the financial markets and the wars that followed with attacks on the Taliban and also in Iraq.  More to the catalyst that most, in the know, cite for the Economic collapse and situation that we are in and that is the Housing situation and crash.  This is something that is attributed back to the Clinton Administration where Banks were not only encouraged but demanded to make loans at sub prime interest rates to people that could not qualify for a loan in the first place so that more people could get into housing.  Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were two that were closely tied also to Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac and those organizations policies and practices. 

 

As I said I could be wrong but anyone that chooses to tie the economic crisis to George Bush should also explain how these programs and entities policies did not contribute or set up as the main catalyst for the economic collapse.   Mind you I'm not fan of George Bush but I do respect him for a few things such as his resolve and composure in the face of the September 11th attacks on our country and also for his steadfast resolve to honor the position of the President and not acting in a way to demean or tarnish the Position of the President.  Personally I believe that his brother, Jeb, would have made a far better and more qualified President but then we will never know if that would have been the case.

 

That is also one issue where I think George Bush far excelled above President Obama.  I do believe that President Obama has, in his inexperience, done things to bring dishonor to the President's position and even in retirement George Bush remains respectful and honors the office.  One way in which he does this is by not condemning and speaking out harshly against President Obama and his decisions and carrying out of the Job.  Unfortunately the same respect and honor isn't afforded to President Bush by his successor.  

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