State of the Union Address

He NOW wants to cut oil consumption, watch the prices reach the sky! The rest sounded like the same ole same.

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Originally posted by smurph:
He NOW wants to cut oil consumption, watch the prices reach the sky! The rest sounded like the same ole same.

smurph is correct!!! That was the part that stuck with me that an Oil Comany Owner wants to cut consumption??? That is ONLY to drive the prices to where the 'oweners' can ONLY win, and we can ONLY lose....

And right again... Same stuff, different day.

Why would anyone watch a habitual liar?

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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
Why would anyone watch a habitual liar?

Good point, Mott!

glutton for punishment?LOL,

a good question mott

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Originally posted by smurph:
He NOW wants to cut oil consumption, watch the prices reach the sky! The rest sounded like the same ole same.

Cut CONSUMPTION, not PRODUCTION. He also wants to double the National Reserve. Reduce Consumption and add other fuels sounds like a good way to reduce cost to the consumer.

An interesting topic with a great pemise, putting aside preconcieved ideas, MD 20/20, thanks.
In my opinion this President is DOA. Any further flailing is beating a dead horse. His policies over Iraq have been total failures, bad advice, bad intelligence doesn't matter at this stage. We need out. How that's done I don't know. Carefully for the sake of the troops I hope.
The rest of the State of the nation is another matter though. Economic indicators appear good to very good. How you are doing determines how you feel about this one though. Health care must be a priority for all.
...and the end of it all is lets look back on those, in Congress, that voted go to Iraq with the President. Where do they stand now? They too have responsibility for the current circumstances. It would be refreshing to hear them claim their share of the failure.
God Bless America.

[Cut CONSUMPTION, not PRODUCTION. He also wants to double the National Reserve. Reduce Consumption and add other fuels sounds like a good way to reduce cost to the consumer.]

Americans are spoiled,we ALL are.We are not going to cut the use of oil unless it is out of reach.How will that be achieved? Raise the prices. seems I remember what went on nationwide just a short time ago when prices sky rocketed.
Now what do you propose is going to be done with the oil that is produced,,if as you say production is not hindered?

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Originally posted by smurph:
He NOW wants to cut oil consumption, watch the prices reach the sky! The rest sounded like the same ole same.

Jimmy Carter wanted to cut oil consumpsion about 20% when he was president. I'm to lazy to look up the percise figures, but the stupid (b) movie actor said let the good times roll. 10 MPG is great, and so here we are.

Another mission unaccomplished

I just spoke to a friend that is all cheerio over GWBs focus on the war in Iraq after hearing his SOU speech. Did I doze during something? I do not recall him stating ANYTHING with a definate plan, goal, or state anything other than the same rubbish he has been spewing since he got the US involved.Am I wrong,did i actually miss something he said?

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An interesting topic with a great pemise, putting aside preconcieved ideas, MD 20/20, thanks.
In my opinion this President is DOA. Any further flailing is beating a dead horse. His policies over Iraq have been total failures, bad advice, bad intelligence doesn't matter at this stage. We need out. How that's done I don't know. Carefully for the sake of the troops I hope.
The rest of the State of the nation is another matter though. Economic indicators appear good to very good. How you are doing determines how you feel about this one though. Health care must be a priority for all.
...and the end of it all is lets look back on those, in Congress, that voted go to Iraq with the President. Where do they stand now? They too have responsibility for the current circumstances. It would be refreshing to hear them claim their share of the failure.
God Bless America

Quarlles: this is one ol codger you DON'T irritate! I agree with EVERY word you said and as I stated in the topic will not comment until I hear from others and EVERYONE said exactly what I was thinking. ****, we are a smart bunch! LOL THE DOG

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Originally posted by smurph:
I just spoke to a friend that is all cheerio over GWBs focus on the war in Iraq after hearing his SOU speech. Did I doze during something? I do not recall him stating ANYTHING with a definate plan, goal, or state anything other than the same rubbish he has been spewing since he got the US involved.Am I wrong,did i actually miss something he said?

No, you're right, the war was wrong and the people need to wake up and see that their leader was wrong.

The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.": Joseph Goebbels was born in 1897 and died in 1945. Goebbels was Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda

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"I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong.": Abraham Lincoln

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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
What points struck the posters on the board in the State of the Union speech as presented by President George W. Bush, were the most critical and urgent to be addressed? (This sounds like a test for a political science class LOL) Knowing the extreme views on both sides on this board, liberal and conservative, if possible to put any preconceived prejudice or ideas aside, REALLY what direction do the posters think the stratagies as outlined will play out? I'll give my opinions near the end, if anyone posts. THE DOG

How about if I try to put aside preconcieved notions?

His comments on health care struck me as a very poor compromise between NO national health care beyond medicare and medicade, and an extension of the medicade program with a mandate for employer provided insurance or personally provided insurance, much like Car insurance. His tax deduction for the cost of premiums seems inadequate to me.
On energy consumption, he handed a challenge to Congress. They are to come up with a plan that will reduce gasoline consumption by 20%. This can be by increasing the use of ethanol, electric vehicles, or lpg power as far as I could tell. The easy way is with Cafe Regulations. Generally that means reduced power output for the cars sold, since that is about the only way to increas fuel economy.
His Iraq policy seeems to be "Stay the Course" with a new name, "New Way Forward." At least until you read the comprehensive outline on the White House web site. One Paart of the Proposal calls for givint the Coalition and Iraq Security forces wider latitude regarding rules of engagement, and targeting. He could be saying that resistance of any kind will result in all out assault.
I got a strong sense that he redifined the "enemy" in Iraq just sufficiently to give the appearance of an all out assault on Sunni resistance to the government. And he laid out a clear warning to Iran to STAY OUT OF THE CONFLICT.