DC does have power to pass laws..but only so far as congress has allowed them.
They are like a city, under the constitution of Arizona, Phoenix Cannot outlaw handguns, they can regulate their use, but they cannot outlaw them. The ARIZONA constitution forbids it. DC has the same protection. but under the US Constitution because IT IS NOT A STATE AND DOES NOT HAVE A STATE CONSTITUTION.
I'm getting frustrated here. Washington DC operates with a Charter that is approved by the US Congress. Selma operates with a charter that is approved by the Alabama State Legislature. The Charter of Selma exists in the framework of the Alabama State Constitution. The charter of Washington DC exists in the Framework of the US constitution. The United States Constitution REQUIRES ALABAMA TO MAINTAIN A MILITIA. The congress makes it easy for Alabama to do that by the creation of the Alabama National Guard. Here is a way to clarify it. Look up the Oath of enlistment of the National Guard, and the US Army. Compare them. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. The Alabama National Guard is the Nandatory militia of the state of Alabama. BY ACT OF CONGRESS. Congress has that power vested in it by the Constitution.
What you are doing is BELIEVING THE LIES THE NRA TELLS. Seriously, the position you are taking is simplistic. The issue is not simple.
States are NOT required to allow their citizens to own firearms. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO ALLOW THEIR CITIZES TO BEAR ARMS, IN A WELL REGULATED MILITIA. They are PERMITTED to allow their citizens to bear arms outside the Militia.
Washington DC does not have a NATIONAL GUARD. Look for the Washington DC national Guard. Residents of Washington DC who wish to serve in the military either serve in Resserve Units, or the National Guard of Maryland, or Virginia, or, if they are willing to travel, any unit in the country. BUT THERE IS NO WASHINGTON DC NATIONAL GUARD UNIT. I think the Second Army, a Regular Army Unit, based at Fort Myers, is the unit that provides the service of National guard for the District. I know that in 1963, I personally dispatched three companies of Combat Engineers to Washington DC to remove snow from a major Blizzard. I was in the HQ and HQ company of the 89th engineer battle group at the time.
What you are doing is BELIEVING THE LIES THE NRA TELLS. Seriously, the position you are taking is simplistic. The issue is not simple.
States are NOT required to allow their citizens to own firearms. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO ALLOW THEIR CITIZES TO BEAR ARMS, IN A WELL REGULATED MILITIA. They are PERMITTED to allow their citizens to bear arms outside the Militia.
Washington DC does not have a NATIONAL GUARD. Look for the Washington DC national Guard. Residents of Washington DC who wish to serve in the military either serve in Resserve Units, or the National Guard of Maryland, or Virginia, or, if they are willing to travel, any unit in the country. BUT THERE IS NO WASHINGTON DC NATIONAL GUARD UNIT. I think the Second Army, a Regular Army Unit, based at Fort Myers, is the unit that provides the service of National guard for the District. I know that in 1963, I personally dispatched three companies of Combat Engineers to Washington DC to remove snow from a major Blizzard. I was in the HQ and HQ company of the 89th engineer battle group at the time.
"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible."
-Senator Hubert H. Humphrey
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment - (1764).
http://attrition.org/quotes/guns.html
These views, although 200 years seperate them and expressed by two men rarely mentioned in the same breath, are clearly manifested in the 2nd Amendment of our US Constitution to which Washington DC is subjected as the court decided. In their ruling there was no mention of a militia or military of any kind being required by DC to overturn the gun control law.
Whether other states’ restrictive gun control laws will fall to the 2nd Amendment test is conjecture at this point. But I think the number of states which have passed Carry Concealed Weapons laws and those states which have reciprocated may be a gauge of those falling into compliance.
And please y’all... the word is “homicide.” “Homocide,” were there such a word, would be defined as a hate crime. Pardon the gallows humor.
-Senator Hubert H. Humphrey
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment - (1764).
http://attrition.org/quotes/guns.html
These views, although 200 years seperate them and expressed by two men rarely mentioned in the same breath, are clearly manifested in the 2nd Amendment of our US Constitution to which Washington DC is subjected as the court decided. In their ruling there was no mention of a militia or military of any kind being required by DC to overturn the gun control law.
Whether other states’ restrictive gun control laws will fall to the 2nd Amendment test is conjecture at this point. But I think the number of states which have passed Carry Concealed Weapons laws and those states which have reciprocated may be a gauge of those falling into compliance.
And please y’all... the word is “homicide.” “Homocide,” were there such a word, would be defined as a hate crime. Pardon the gallows humor.
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:
I'm getting frustrated here. Washington DC operates with a Charter that is approved by the US Congress. Selma operates with a charter that is approved by the Alabama State Legislature. The Charter of Selma exists in the framework of the Alabama State Constitution. The charter of Washington DC exists in the Framework of the US constitution. The United States Constitution REQUIRES ALABAMA TO MAINTAIN A MILITIA. The congress makes it easy for Alabama to do that by the creation of the Alabama National Guard. Here is a way to clarify it. Look up the Oath of enlistment of the National Guard, and the US Army. Compare them. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. The Alabama National Guard is the Nandatory militia of the state of Alabama. BY ACT OF CONGRESS. Congress has that power vested in it by the Constitution.
What you are doing is BELIEVING THE LIES THE NRA TELLS. Seriously, the position you are taking is simplistic. The issue is not simple.
States are NOT required to allow their citizens to own firearms. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO ALLOW THEIR CITIZES TO BEAR ARMS, IN A WELL REGULATED MILITIA. They are PERMITTED to allow their citizens to bear arms outside the Militia.
Washington DC does not have a NATIONAL GUARD. Look for the Washington DC national Guard. Residents of Washington DC who wish to serve in the military either serve in Resserve Units, or the National Guard of Maryland, or Virginia, or, if they are willing to travel, any unit in the country. BUT THERE IS NO WASHINGTON DC NATIONAL GUARD UNIT. I think the Second Army, a Regular Army Unit, based at Fort Myers, is the unit that provides the service of National guard for the District. I know that in 1963, I personally dispatched three companies of Combat Engineers to Washington DC to remove snow from a major Blizzard. I was in the HQ and HQ company of the 89th engineer battle group at the time.
EdEKit,
You have just proven yourself to be uneducated and a liar with that post.
The meaning of the 2nd Amendment is that the citizens, which are used to make up the militia (which are regulated by a State Government), have the right to keep and bear arms. No law passed by the Federal Government or any State Government may infringe upon that right.
For the record, Engineers in the US Army do not have battle groups.
Today the world is the victim of propaganda because people are not intellectually competent. More than anything the United States needs effective citizens competent to do their own thinking." -- William Mather Lewis - President ,George Washington University 1923 -1927
quote:Originally posted by pba:
Today the world is the victim of propaganda because people are not intellectually competent. More than anything the United States needs effective citizens competent to do their own thinking." -- William Mather Lewis - President ,George Washington University 1923 -1927
pba,
you prove that quote true everyday by posting your lies.
quote:Originally posted by airborne92:quote:Originally posted by pba:
Today the world is the victim of propaganda because people are not intellectually competent. More than anything the United States needs effective citizens competent to do their own thinking." -- William Mather Lewis - President ,George Washington University 1923 -1927
pba,
you prove that quote true everyday by posting your lies.
Airborne--you read my mind....
Airboring. I think I loose more respect for you each time you whimper. I don't know if I have enough left to keep paying attention to you.quote:Originally posted by airborne92:quote:Originally posted by pba:
Today the world is the victim of propaganda because people are not intellectually competent. More than anything the United States needs effective citizens competent to do their own thinking." -- William Mather Lewis - President ,George Washington University 1923 -1927
pba,
you prove that quote true everyday by posting your lies.
ONE: Propoganda is not necessarily untrue. In fact, the most effective Propoganda is TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE TRUTH.
TWO: Propoganda is what You are doing with this statement,
True or false Airborn92, that statement is PURE PROPOGANDA.quote:Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.
If you claim that pba has posted a lie, it is incumbent on you to demonstrate the falsity of the posting. You cannot just assert that something is untrue without some evidence. If you could, the claim that Jesus Christ offered to die for us would be challenged much more vigorously than it already is. There is utterly NO EVIDENCE AVAILABLE THAT HE DID NOT WILLINGLY DIE FOR US.
Incidentally, I believe that the American GI is trained TO STAY ALIVE, NOT DIE. We do not generally send Suicide forces into battle. So, the second part of that statement is NOT TRUE. Unless you are willing to claim that we do use suicide bombers in an effort to defeat enemies and protect Americans. I believe that ANY commander will tell you that his first duty is to keeping his troops alive and in fighting trim.
see chairborn, I say that the statement The American G.I. has offered to die for me is not true. I show the falsity of the statement with two pieces of evidence, one the training to stay alive while fighting the enemy, and two, the responsibility of the commander to keep his force in fighting trim.
I add the assertion that American G.I.'s are not generally sent out as suicide bombers.
That is how you attack an asssertion if you want to successfully demonstrate that it is false.
The 2nd part of his statement is true Ed, whether you want to believe it or not. Every member of the service knows that he may lay down his life in the service of his country. Of course he trains to stay alive. The two points are mutualy exclusive of one another.
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:Airboring. I think I loose more respect for you each time you whimper. I don't know if I have enough left to keep paying attention to you.quote:Originally posted by airborne92:quote:Originally posted by pba:
Today the world is the victim of propaganda because people are not intellectually competent. More than anything the United States needs effective citizens competent to do their own thinking." -- William Mather Lewis - President ,George Washington University 1923 -1927
pba,
you prove that quote true everyday by posting your lies.
ONE: Propoganda is not necessarily untrue. In fact, the most effective Propoganda is TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE TRUTH.
TWO: Propoganda is what You are doing with this statement,True or false Airborn92, that statement is PURE PROPOGANDA.quote:Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.
If you claim that pba has posted a lie, it is incumbent on you to demonstrate the falsity of the posting. You cannot just assert that something is untrue without some evidence. If you could, the claim that Jesus Christ offered to die for us would be challenged much more vigorously than it already is. There is utterly NO EVIDENCE AVAILABLE THAT HE DID NOT WILLINGLY DIE FOR US.
Incidentally, I believe that the American GI is trained TO STAY ALIVE, NOT DIE. We do not generally send Suicide forces into battle. So, the second part of that statement is NOT TRUE. Unless you are willing to claim that we do use suicide bombers in an effort to defeat enemies and protect Americans. I believe that ANY commander will tell you that his first duty is to keeping his troops alive and in fighting trim.
see chairborn, I say that the statement The American G.I. has offered to die for me is not true. I show the falsity of the statement with two pieces of evidence, one the training to stay alive while fighting the enemy, and two, the responsibility of the commander to keep his force in fighting trim.
I add the assertion that American G.I.'s are not generally sent out as suicide bombers.
That is how you attack an asssertion if you want to successfully demonstrate that it is false.
EdEKit,
I notice that you are actually the one whimpering. I have proven all of of your lies to be just that, lies.
There is no way you could have ever served in the US military like you claim. You have no understanding of the oath taken by the members of the US military, no understanding of its weapons, and no understanding of its organization.
You consistantly tell people lies about firearms, act like everyone else is beneath you intellectually, claim to understand how the Constitution and Bill of Rights is written, and that only your opinion has any merit. You are no better than Jane Fonda or Cindy Sheehan.
Airborn, I will say this again. LIST THE LIES, AND SHOW THE TRUTH.
Either Hand up something I can address or shut up. YOU have not PROVEN I HAVE LIED EVEN ONCE.
Because I don't Lie.
Saying you have proven I lie is A LIE.
There, I just aserted that YOU ARE THE LIAR. Did I prove it?
Either Hand up something I can address or shut up. YOU have not PROVEN I HAVE LIED EVEN ONCE.
Because I don't Lie.
Saying you have proven I lie is A LIE.
There, I just aserted that YOU ARE THE LIAR. Did I prove it?
quote:Originally posted by Big Bubba:
Bubba saids to grow up.
I like you Bubba...great way to sum up a lot of things...
Bush is not a good president. He lost the popular vote in 2000 and only won by 3% in 04 - not a recipe for success unless you try and govern from the middle. You can argue with that assessment, but history is on my side. Bush will go down as a marginal to lousy leader. Any time you dont win a clear and lasting mandate you just dont succeed. I know its hard to take for some of you, but hey, thats politics.
You have the situation well covered meanasasnake, Bush got into office without a mandate, but with a huge debt to the people who bought his election for him. He kept the promises he made to the PNAC. He certainly did not keep the promise to work for healing the divisions in the country. One Campaign Slogan should be haunting him, "I am a uniter, not a divider."quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Bush is not a good president. He lost the popular vote in 2000 and only won by 3% in 04 - not a recipe for success unless you try and govern from the middle. You can argue with that assessment, but history is on my side. Bush will go down as a marginal to lousy leader. Any time you dont win a clear and lasting mandate you just dont succeed. I know its hard to take for some of you, but hey, thats politics.
He does not govern alone, and the PNAC did not buy just him.
One of the major failings of the media is NOT PUBLISHING Federal Elections Commission Reports.
Every newspaper in the country should be publishing those PUBLIC reports the day they are available. The FEC should be required to post them on a web site, with full permission to publish. Knowing where the money comes from is important to knowing who expects to get payback.
quote:Originally posted by airborne92:quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:Airboring. I think I loose more respect for you each time you whimper. I don't know if I have enough left to keep paying attention to you.quote:Originally posted by airborne92:quote:Originally posted by pba:
Today the world is the victim of propaganda because people are not intellectually competent. More than anything the United States needs effective citizens competent to do their own thinking." -- William Mather Lewis - President ,George Washington University 1923 -1927
pba,
you prove that quote true everyday by posting your lies.
ONE: Propoganda is not necessarily untrue. In fact, the most effective Propoganda is TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE TRUTH.
TWO: Propoganda is what You are doing with this statement,True or false Airborn92, that statement is PURE PROPOGANDA.quote:Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.
If you claim that pba has posted a lie, it is incumbent on you to demonstrate the falsity of the posting. You cannot just assert that something is untrue without some evidence. If you could, the claim that Jesus Christ offered to die for us would be challenged much more vigorously than it already is. There is utterly NO EVIDENCE AVAILABLE THAT HE DID NOT WILLINGLY DIE FOR US.
Incidentally, I believe that the American GI is trained TO STAY ALIVE, NOT DIE. We do not generally send Suicide forces into battle. So, the second part of that statement is NOT TRUE. Unless you are willing to claim that we do use suicide bombers in an effort to defeat enemies and protect Americans. I believe that ANY commander will tell you that his first duty is to keeping his troops alive and in fighting trim.
see chairborn, I say that the statement The American G.I. has offered to die for me is not true. I show the falsity of the statement with two pieces of evidence, one the training to stay alive while fighting the enemy, and two, the responsibility of the commander to keep his force in fighting trim.
I add the assertion that American G.I.'s are not generally sent out as suicide bombers.
That is how you attack an asssertion if you want to successfully demonstrate that it is false.
EdEKit,
I notice that you are actually the one whimpering. I have proven all of of your lies to be just that, lies.
There is no way you could have ever served in the US military like you claim. You have no understanding of the oath taken by the members of the US military, no understanding of its weapons, and no understanding of its organization.
You consistantly tell people lies about firearms, act like everyone else is beneath you intellectually, claim to understand how the Constitution and Bill of Rights is written, and that only your opinion has any merit. You are no better than Jane Fonda or Cindy Sheehan.
OK Chairborn, I have a service Number, RA 19642570. If you have military records available to you Look Me UP. I have NEVER EVEN MADE AN ERROR in describing the capability of a firearm on this forum. You have, in fact, misrepresented the design perameters of virtually every firearm you have discussed, and repeatedly urge the use of excessive firepower.
You Must be aware of the RESTRICTIONS on weapons carried by peace officers. Dirty Harry, armed with a .44 magnum was in violation of law enforcement policy in California.
According to some sources the King of the Hill for police side arms is now, and has been for years, the M 1911. It is a forty five, with an eight round magazine, and nearly 100 years old.
But, I don't know anything about side arms, I just shoot them at paper targets.
I think you watch to many movies, and fail to research beyond what Hollywood tells you.