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Here comes the Judge, that's us, we like to judge and have become very

quick about it. And just as quick are the three most common words of

defense, "what about you.?" And that's when the Judging contest begins.

 

For what it's worth and that's not very much of the words of Jesus saying,

"Stop judging, that you may not be judged. For as you judge, so will you

be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured

out to you." The harmless chatter of discussion between us here isn't

included in the our opinions of ongoing trivia. It's the wish of death we

extent to each other at times when judgment is passed that carries a just

as lethal reciprocating action of justice from the only one who does Judge.

Matthew said it in 7:1-2, and like many others, I didn't think of it as that

serious, but we know it's worth thinking through.

 

What I try to keep in mind when I'm distributing verdicts to all my wooden

eyed combatants is the fact that I'm, judging myself.

Should I have not even mentioned this at all..??

 

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Hi all,

 

It is obvious that this was NOT written by Vic, therefore it must be another of his plagiarisms.  Except for several grammatical/spelling errors -- this is too well written to be an example of Vic's typical posts.

 

That said, let's examine the thought behind this post:

 

Matthew 7:1-2, "Do not judge so that you will not be judged.  For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you."  

What is the lesson being taught by Jesus Christ in this passage from the Sermon on the Mount?

 

The footnote in my NASB Study Bible tells us:

 

This verse cannot be construed as teaching that believers are never to exercise judgment relative to the doctrine or the actions of others.  It does teach that those who do judge, will themselves be judged by the same standards they use in their judgment of others.  Therefore one should be careful to employ standards of judgment by which he himself would be happy to be judged in his own conduct and convictions.

 

That makes sense.  If I tell someone that, in this mortal life, he/she MUST make a choice between following Jesus or denying Jesus, between heaven and hell -- I must be willing to make that same decision myself.  I have.  I have chosen to follow Jesus Christ and He has promised me that I will be with Him eternally in the presence of God.

 

If I tell someone he/she should not be worshiping statues, idols, other mortal human beings -- for that is against the commandments of God; I should be willing to live by the same standards.  I do.  I do not pray to or worship statues or man-made idols.  I do not pray to or worship any other human being; knowing that all worship and prayer is to be to God only.

 

I do not ask any mortal human being, i.e., man-determined Saint, to mediate between myself and God.  The ONLY Mediator between man, i.e., me, and God -- is Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 2:5).  I will ask other believers to pray for me, i.e., intercessory prayer.  But, that is only because they are still alive and can pray to God for me.  They cannot be a mediator between me and God -- especially after they are dead.

 

Let's look at a pastoral commentary on this Scripture passage:

 

David Guzik: Study Guide for Matthew 7  
http://www.blbclassic.org/comm...31&topic=Matthew


b. Judge not, that you be not judged:  With this command Jesus warned against passing judgment upon others, because when we do so we will be judged in a similar manner. 

 

i. Among those who seem to know nothing of the Bible, this is the verse that seems to be most popular. Yet most people who quote this verse don't understand what Jesus said. They seem to think (or hope) that Jesus commanded a universal acceptance of any lifestyle or teaching.  

ii. Just a little later in this same sermon (Matthew 7:15-16), Jesus commanded us to know ourselves and others by the fruit of their life, and some sort of assessment is necessary for that.  The Christian is called to show unconditional love.  But the Christian is not called to unconditional approval.  We really can love people who do things that should not be approved of.  


c. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged:  Jesus did not prohibit the judgment of others.  He only requires that our judgment be completely fair, and that we only judge others by a standard we would also like to be judged by

 

So, as we see from what I have shared, there is a need to warn people when they are on the wrong path, on the path to eternal destruction.  And, there is a need when a person is following erroneous doctrines and traditions such as Mariology, i.e., the deification, worship, and elevation of Mary to the level of deity or God.  Satan, an archangel tried that -- and lost.   All who try to elevate themselves or others to the level of God -- will also fail.  So, better to warn that person first before they get in too deep to get out.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Hi Contendah,

 

While I agree that the post is not the best written I have seen; it, by far, exceeds anything I seen posted my our Friend, Vic.

 

And, it cannot be from Vic -- for there is no name calling, character defamation, or such.  

 

Yet, on the other hand, I pray it is from Vic and that he is turning over a new leaf -- to become more civil and constructive in dialogues.   We can only hope.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bingo..! This is what I'm talking about. billiee, a self professed liar has just

judged me a liar. He ceremoniously judged me and then slanders my name.

I've said this before and got his anti-bible thrown in my face but I'll say it

again. No billiee, I and I alone wrote the post in it's entirely, but unlike you

I'm not grading myself on this forum. I'll swear to God I just told the truth.

Will you swear to God you didn't admit to me, that you lied so you wouldn't

be proven wrong..?? No you won't, I can because I'm truthful about this post.

You are the personification of the very traits Jesus elects ****able through

out the Bible, go ahead, lie yourself around this.

 


Bill,

 

If you cannot prove conclusively that Invictus plagiarized what he posted, then you have wrongly accused him of theft of intellectual property.  If those are his original thoughts and words, then you have lied by stating, "It is obvious that this was NOT written by Vic, therefore it must be another of his plagiarisms.  Except for several grammatical/spelling errors -- this is too well written to be an example of Vic's typical posts.", and, "And, it cannot be from Vic -- for there is no name calling, character defamation, or such."  

 

Unless you can provide conclusive proof of Invictus' plagiarism, then you are a liar.

 

billiee-jiz, it's been an hour, are you going to lie about a crashed computer

again.? Is that the reason for the stupidity you posted in the last "I am totally

confused,which is it Paradise or Heaven" thread.? Your complete Bible

ignorance is always hilarious  

 

Will you swear to God you didn't admit to me, that you lied so you wouldn't

be proven wrong..??

 

It's OK to admit you're wrong billiee, after all, you have osas. Or does that

only work from the Bible when you use your interpretation magic..??

I know God never signed off on it...... 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

I didn't intent to but I did bring out the two most Judgmental and certainly

the most narcissistic duo I've come across, Highway Run and Snot Nose.

 

It was worth seeing them both pizz on their little bibles. 

 

Next up...??? Oh,, that's right..........

 

Judgemental? ME?

 

Why Invictus, in my last post I actually defended you by pointing put that the content of the post indeed reflected your particular styles of writing and thinking.  I was contesting Bill's unproven and impetuous assertion that you had plagiarized the material of others in composing your post.  As your stalwart defender, I believe  I am owed an apology from you for your scurrilous and unfounded denunciation!  You have hurted my widdle feelings.

quote:    Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

I didn't intent to but I did bring out the two most Judgmental and certainly the most narcissistic duo I've come across, Highway Run and Snot Nose.

 

It was worth seeing them both pizz on their little bibles   Next up...??? Oh,, that's right..........

Hi all,

 

Now, THAT is what we normally expect in a Vic written post.   I saw none of that in the original post in this discussion.  Therefore I suggested it is plagiarized.  He obviously did not write it himself (not capable of that) and he did not give a URL link to show the true writer.  Therefore, we see a perfect example of plagiarism.

 

Bless his plagiarized little heart!

 

Bill

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How ironic... In a thread that started out as a sane discussion of the dangers of becoming judgemental, the resident troll jumps in and spews forth judgemental comments demeaning of the originator of the thread itself... The comments being so typically snide and demeaning of others, I could have told anyone concerned, it was coming from the lower than life troll who lives in the slime under his favorite bridge with the rest of the rodent-like life overlooked by nature... Am I being judge mental here? Not at all... We all know what we have read flowing from his computer over the years... Nothing but lies, innuendo, escapism, slander, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum... And this troll has the nerve to present himself as a Christian! That, were it not so sad, would be laughable... Of all of the things he accused others of, he is most guilty... Starting spitting contests, calling others demeaning names, driving true Christians away from this forum as they wish not to be associated with those of his ilk... I think I speak for the vast majority of the forum readers who would agree with what I have written here, as painfull as it is to write... Now he'll probably trot out one of his puppets/aliases to disagree with this... More likely he'll run off and start a new thread... This typical of our resident troll - a nattering nabob of negativity... 

S - I - G - H......

 

quote:  Originally Posted by Dove of Peace (?):

How ironic... In a thread that started out as a sane discussion of the dangers of becoming judgemental, the resident troll jumps in and spews forth judgemental comments demeaning of the originator of the thread itself...

Dove, my Friend,

 

Whew!  For a moment there, I thought YOU were going to be judgmental!   I sure am happy that YOU would never be judgmental of anyone!

 

It would be such a shock to see YOU being judgmental!

 

By the way -- check out the spelling of JUDGMENTAL.  Just a thought.

 

Bless your little heart!

 

Bill

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 Chick, my Friend,

 

EVERYONE is my Friend, just different degrees.   I dislike no one, therefore everyone with whom I communicate is my Friend.  It may be a unilateral Friendship -- but, no problem.

 

And, Dove, my Friend -- it is "DUH!" -- not "DOH!"   Come on, my Friend, get with it.   You are not THAT old, are you?

 

My, my, YOU are judgmental, aren't you?   Is that what happens to folks when they get old?

 

May our Lord bless both of you, my Friends,

 

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 Chick, my Friend,

 

EVERYONE is my Friend, just different degrees.   I dislike no one, therefore everyone with whom I communicate is my Friend.  It may be a unilateral Friendship -- but, no problem.

 

billiee slobbers this empty talk hoping Heaven hears him. His despise

for most people here isn't friendship. Not even for his Angel expert and

camping buddiee the honorable Judgmental Snot Nose.   

 

And, Dove, my Friend -- it is "DUH!" -- not "DOH!"   Come on, my Friend, get with it.   You are not THAT old, are you?

 

I'm sure Dove realizes the words DUH and DOH are two different words

and have different meaning. The front runner idiot and consummate liar

doesn't know this until now. He IS that old, old as his snot nose co-judge.

 

 

My, my, YOU are judgmental, aren't you?   Is that what happens to folks when they get old?

 

My, my, a POS just called a bar of Dial soap, "stinky," typical.    

 

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 Chick, my Friend

EVERYONE is my Friend, just different degrees.   I dislike no one, therefore everyone with whom I communicate is my Friend. 

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If you dislike no one on this forum, I would hate to see how you treat the people you do dislike. I wanted the names of people on this forum that consider you their friend, but you knew that. As usual, you just dodge the questions you don't want to answer.

Come on, name the people that consider you their friend.

Bill Gray's claim to having "friends" on this forum reminds me of "San Fernando Red," one of the zany characters portrayed by the inimitable Red Skelton.  San Fernando Red, a conman with political aspirations, routinely opened his public speeches with this:

 

My friends, and you are my friends; and don't tell me you're not my friends, 'cause nobody tells me who my friends are."

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

 Chick, my Friend,

 

 

And, Dove, my Friend -- it is "DUH!" -- not "DOH!"   Come on, my Friend, get with it.   You are not THAT old, are you?

 

____________
 

Has nothing to do with age.  Here is the typical user of the word "duh".

 

 

bill - duh

What is this from? Is it Bill and Ted's excellent adventure? I know I've seen it before. 

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