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You may have heard the story a few months ago about an Atlanta-based minister who claimed he needed a $65 million private jet so he could "safely and swiftly share the Good News of the Gospel worldwide."  But almost as quickly as Pastor Creflo Dollar asked his 200,000 followers to each donate $300.00 towards the purchase of a luxurious jet, the campaign vanished and was removed from his website.  

But now, the board of World Changers Church International -- which also operates as Creflo Dollar Ministries, has announced it is ready to purchase the plane.

"We plan to acquire a Gulfstream G650 because it is the best, and it is a reflection of the level of excellence at which this organization chooses to operate."

This has got to be one of the biggest shams ever, and there's so much delusion it's hard to even figure out where to begin. 

Let's start with the money.  Imagine what could be accomplished with $65 million!  That's a lot of money.  Do you think Jesus would have wanted his earthly representatives travelling the globe in luxurious accommodations?  Or do you think Jesus would have wanted to see that $65 million used to feed the poor, help the homeless, improve education, or just make some kind of huge impact to help humanity?   

World Changers Church International said, "A long-range, high-speed, intercontinental jet aircraft is a tool that is necessary in order to fulfill the mission of the ministry." 

Sure, who wouldn't want such a nice aircraft to travel the world?  I know I would and I bet you would, too. And if you're one of the few people in this world who can afford one, go for it!  But when you start hitting up your congregants -- many of whom struggle with their day-to-day finances and barely have enough money to provide the basic necessities for themselves and their families -- that's when something has to be done.

What about flying commercially? Jesus travelled on foot and by donkey. Granted there were no Gulfstream G650s back in the day, but if there were somehow I don't think you would have seen Jesus flying around in one. Dollar resides in Atlanta, the city with the world's largest airport with flights to every major international destination on a daily basis.  Certainly it would be more cost effective for his flock to do their work around the world this way. 

But after all, God told him to buy the plane.  Dollar said, "If I want to believe God for a $65 million plane, you cannot stop me. You cannot stop me from dreaming. I'm gonna dream until Jesus comes."

I don't know what's worse: the fact that Creflo Dollar believes God spoke to him and told him to buy this jet, or the fact that people are so gullible and delusional and are actually supporting this guy.  Of course, as Dollar puts it, it's simply part of what he calls "prosperity theology," in other words, giving of your own money to the church because by doing so your level of personal wealth is blessed and will grow significantly. 

It's not surprising, really, that people buy into this nonsense. After studying mental toughness training for the last 31 years, there's a definite pattern of people who are operating from a weak state of mind to be more vulnerable to the suspension of critical thinking and doing anything that makes them feel better. Being addicted to the emotion of hope is a killer, so when Pastor Dollar tells them to give $300.00 and reminds them of the promise of everlasting life, a mansion in the sky and being reunited with loved ones, it sure sounds pretty good.

The bottom line: It's time for people to wake up and stop being stupid! Stop being manipulated and giving your money to the power hungry religious leader who owns two Rolls Royce cars and multiple multi-million-dollar homes. Creflo Dollar is a fake. If he was so genuinely concerned about doing good and Godly deeds, he would be raising $65 million to truly make a difference in the lives of so many. Instead, he'll be enjoying a better than first-class experience as he jets around the world in style laughing at the farce he created.

        

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich–both come to poverty. Proverbs 22:16

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There's evangelist that's been rich for years, ever since people started buying into their crap. When does this poverty you speak of come into play?  

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Unfortunately some crooks prosper; I was just using words of the religious folks.  I think that you can find justification for just about anything in religion.

 

Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
I think that you can find justification for just about anything in religion. 

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Yes, you certainly can & it's very sad that "Christians" will do that.

 

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Not me.

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Can we buy you a jet?

 

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I don't know.

 

Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
I think that you can find justification for just about anything in religion. 

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Yes, you certainly can & it's very sad that "Christians" will do that.

 

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Not me.

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Can we buy you a jet?

 

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I don't know.

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Pardon my grammar; may we buy you a jet?  I guess the grammar patrol is occupied elsewhere.

 

Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
I think that you can find justification for just about anything in religion. 

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Yes, you certainly can & it's very sad that "Christians" will do that.

 

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Not me.

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Can we buy you a jet?

 

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I don't know.

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Pardon my grammar; may we buy you a jet?  I guess the grammar patrol is occupied elsewhere.

 

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I'd rather have a Rolex.

 

Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
I think that you can find justification for just about anything in religion. 

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Yes, you certainly can & it's very sad that "Christians" will do that.

 

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Not me.

 _________

Can we buy you a jet?

 

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I don't know.

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Pardon my grammar; may we buy you a jet?  I guess the grammar patrol is occupied elsewhere.

 

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I'd rather have a Rolex.

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Ah yes, a time for everything.

 

Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by uandurine:
I think that you can find justification for just about anything in religion. 

_______

Yes, you certainly can & it's very sad that "Christians" will do that.

 

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Not me.

 _________

Can we buy you a jet?

 

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I don't know.

_________

Pardon my grammar; may we buy you a jet?  I guess the grammar patrol is occupied elsewhere.

 

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I'd rather have a Rolex.

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Ah yes, a time for everything.

 

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LOL!  Indeed!

 

Hi Bud. Out of curiosity, if you had a church or ministry, if you felt that you had been called by god and were given 65 million dollars, how would you spend it? I wonder if this guy truly believes god wants him to have a jet. Ya'll remember Jim Baker? And his down fall. [I'll never forget that he had a fancy dog house with air conditioning. Probably nicer than what some of the people who gave him money had.] 

 

Do I understand correctly-- that this Dollar guy is promising his followers a ticket to heaven if they donate $300? I wonder if he'd give any of them rides after they bought it for him.

Originally Posted by peede coober 2:

Hi Bud. Out of curiosity, if you had a church or ministry, if you felt that you had been called by god and were given 65 million dollars, how would you spend it? I wonder if this guy truly believes god wants him to have a jet. Ya'll remember Jim Baker? And his down fall. [I'll never forget that he had a fancy dog house with air conditioning. Probably nicer than what some of the people who gave him money had.] 

 

Do I understand correctly-- that this Dollar guy is promising his followers a ticket to heaven if they donate $300? I wonder if he'd give any of them rides after they bought it for him.

 

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PC2, no offense, but that scenario is so far fetched ~ people giving me money . . . . I don't have an answer.  Winning the lottery is more realistic.

 

And if I won 65M, you can bet I would do what I could to help out.   Especially in regards to medical and educational needs starting in my own back yard.

 

But why wait for the lottery?  I already do what I can.

 

Funny thing, when I asked Uandurine for a Rolex, my second request was going to be for an air conditioned dog house. 

 

Oh, never meant to put you on the spot Bud. I guess what I meant was that most people who are truly Christian or really good people who want to make the world a better place through their words and actions would find a much better use for that amount of money. How this Dollar guy thinks that a 65 million dollar jet is doing god's word baffles me. How many people could that amount help? A ****load!

 

Like you, I do what I can.

No offense taken, none meant.

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

Looks as if "ask and you shall receive" is working for some people, it never

worked for me. I guess I'm not on the best customer list

Jack, is that in the bible? I am biblically deficient.

Once had a friend who was a religious nut, after some set backs in life, say "I'm leaving it in god's hands." All I could think was 'God helps those who help themselves.'

Originally Posted by peede coober 2:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

Looks as if "ask and you shall receive" is working for some people, it never

worked for me. I guess I'm not on the best customer list

Jack, is that in the bible? I am biblically deficient.

Once had a friend who was a religious nut, after some set backs in life, say "I'm leaving it in god's hands." All I could think was 'God helps those who help themselves.'

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God will also help those who can't help themselves. What help would a person

do for themselves to also gain help from God..??

 

Originally Posted by peede coober 2:

Oh, never meant to put you on the spot Bud. I guess what I meant was that most people who are truly Christian or really good people who want to make the world a better place through their words and actions would find a much better use for that amount of money. How this Dollar guy thinks that a 65 million dollar jet is doing god's word baffles me. How many people could that amount help? A ****load!

 

Like you, I do what I can.

No offense taken, none meant.

 

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:
Zoe, Jen, Bill and little Will.

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I can't handle but about 5 minutes of that show.

 

I was happy to see that Amy Roloff is divorcing Matt. He's an azz!!!  (TLC's "Little People, Big World")

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What few shows I saw of the LP, BW you could she wasn't happy with

that idiot and she didn't really hide it.

 

 

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:
Originally Posted by peede coober 2:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

Looks as if "ask and you shall receive" is working for some people, it never

worked for me. I guess I'm not on the best customer list

Jack, is that in the bible? I am biblically deficient.

Once had a friend who was a religious nut, after some set backs in life, say "I'm leaving it in god's hands." All I could think was 'God helps those who help themselves.'

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

God will also help those who can't help themselves. What help would a person

do for themselves to also gain help from God..??

 

I see what you mean. I think if we do the best we can that's all god could ask. Everyone has hard times. I don't think you should chill out and say you are letting someone else be responsible for your problems. It is what it is. Do what you can.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:
Zoe, Jen, Bill and little Will.

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I can't handle but about 5 minutes of that show.

 

I was happy to see that Amy Roloff is divorcing Matt. He's an azz!!!  (TLC's "Little People, Big World")

 

236539

I don't watch those shows but am aware of what they are about.

No one is perfect. No one person can fulfill all of your wants and needs. Some relations work, some don't. They must have been in love at some point. Divorce is sad to me. Not saying it shouldn't happen.

The other little couple- they adopted kids. Good for them.

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

Looks as if "ask and you shall receive" is working for some people, it never

worked for me. I guess I'm not on the best customer list

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That "ask & you shall receive" is a bunch of Baloney! I know dozens of people, myself included, that ask & didn't receive doo doo! And before anyone says it takes Faith, I'm talking about mountains of Faith.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

Looks as if "ask and you shall receive" is working for some people, it never

worked for me. I guess I'm not on the best customer list

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That "ask & you shall receive" is a bunch of Baloney! I know dozens of people, myself included, that ask & didn't receive doo doo! And before anyone says it takes Faith, I'm talking about mountains of Faith.

Me too, as a kid.

But what you go through does make you a better person, I think. You learn to rely on your own strengths, don't you think?

Why should we expect god or anyone else to solve our problems. What was that movie, with Jim Carrey, where he becomes god and all people do is ask, ask, ask.

Last edited by peede coober 2
 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
That "ask & you shall receive" is a bunch of Baloney! I know dozens of people, myself included, that ask & didn't receive doo doo! And before anyone says it takes Faith, I'm talking about mountains of Faith.
 
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Originally Posted by peede coober 2:
You learn to rely on your own strengths, don't you think?

Why should we expect god or anyone else to solve our problems.

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I was taught as a child to expect it, that all we have to do is ask, believing with Faith, & there it is. And yes, after seeing that you don't get what you ask for, again & again, over & over, than you have to rely on your own strength. I don't know why more people don't step outside their raising & see that it's all a bunch of baloney.

I've heard the "well, it wasn't His will" until I could throw up. It doesn't say Ask & if it's my will, you'll receive it. It says, Ask & you will receive. Just a made up bunch of crap to fool people.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
That "ask & you shall receive" is a bunch of Baloney! I know dozens of people, myself included, that ask & didn't receive doo doo! And before anyone says it takes Faith, I'm talking about mountains of Faith.
 
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Originally Posted by peede coober 2:
You learn to rely on your own strengths, don't you think?

Why should we expect god or anyone else to solve our problems.

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I was taught as a child to expect it, that all we have to do is ask, believing with Faith, & there it is. And yes, after seeing that you don't get what you ask for, again & again, over & over, than you have to rely on your own strength. I don't know why more people don't step outside their raising & see that it's all a bunch of baloney.

I've heard the "well, it wasn't His will" until I could throw up. It doesn't say Ask & if it's my will, you'll receive it. It says, Ask & you will receive. Just a made up bunch of crap to fool people.

 

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As children, we were taught differently.  I was taught self-reliant early on.  Not to ask, not to blame, or to ask why me.

 

But to give thanks for the blessings I do have.

 

Remember Jimmy Stewart in Shenandoah?

 

Lord, we cleared this land. We plowed it, sowed it, and harvest it. We cook the harvest. It wouldn't be here and we wouldn't be eating it if we hadn't done it all ourselves. We worked dog-bone hard for every crumb and morsel, but we thank you Lord just the same for the food we're about to eat, amen.

 

Sometimes you've got to have a sense of humor.

 

I know you've been through some very tough times, hardly anything to give thanks for.

 

But Semi, things could be worse.  You know that.

 

Stand tall.

 

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