The Coming Evangelical Collapse

Hi Head,

 

Are you that strongly against the Christian faith -- that you would resort to sharing an article written in a non-Christian magazine, published by a non-Christian organization -- and try to imply that what is written is the truth?

 

The only thing Christian about Christian Science is the word in their name; much like the Mormons.

 

Your offering this as proof that our Christian faith is going to collapse -- is as valid, or to be more accurate, as invalid, as offering a writing by Charles Darwin to disprove Creation.  I can just see your excitement now, "Wow!  The Bible is wrong -- because Charles Darwin said so!"   DUH!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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BWAHAHAHA!

 

BeeG, are you actually tryna tell us that only Christians are truthful?

 

If ya believe that-I got some prime beachfront property in Montana you might be interested in.

Hi Puppy,

 

Normally I just walk on past your comments, like an empty beer can laying in the gutter.   But, here I will say that your input on this subject is almost as believable as Dawkins speaking about God -- or a Valley Girl trying to explain intelligence.  Have a nice day.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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I know some Valley Girls that'll run intellectual rings around you and yer "magic pumpkin."

 Not all intellectuals feel the need to speak like Contendah to prove the point.

 

You're one of the worst christian liars I've ever seen.  And I don't mean "worst" in a good way.

Seriously....You truly suck at it.

But you GO boyyyyy. If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance ya can always keep tryna baffle 'em with BS.

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I just now realized billie the sleaze doesn't know it's not just the evangelicals

that will fall, all religions will collapse, all of them.

I don't believe that Bill has ever met another Christian - at least in his mind.

 

Bless his little bitty heart.

 

I presume that you are equating Christianity with religion, which is a false assumption.  But, nevertheless, following your erroneous path -- it appears that you are saying that Christianity will collapse and fall.  If you believe that, then you are saying that you believe that God will collapse and fall.

 

Is THAT what you have learned since converting to Roman Catholicism?   God is the Creator and Sustainer of all life, of all the creation.  Yet, you believe He will fall?  My Friend, which god or gods do you worship?

 

My God can never collapse or fall, for He is Omnipotent (all powerful), Omniscient (all knowing), and Omnipresent (all places present).  How can an Omnipotent God collapse and fall?

 

Maybe you can show us this in your catechism book. 

 

One last question.  You tell us that you are a devout Roman Catholic and that you try to follow and imitate Jesus Christ.   When is the last time you have heard or read of your Pope or Jesus Christ calling anyone, "billie (or whatever name) the sleaze"?   Would your Pope say that to anyone?   Would the Jesus Christ you tell us you follow say that to anyone?  

 

My Friend, you seem to be a very poor follower.

 

As a matter of fact, I have many Friends and family members who are Roman Catholic -- and I don't believe ANY of them would say that to another person.   Are you sure you are a Roman Catholic?  Are you sure the Roman Catholic Pope would claim you as one of his?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Are you sure your pastor would claim you when you say stuff like "I pass your comments like a beer can in an alley" ?? Classic case of dish it out but can't take it Personally, if someone doesn't like me, I'd rather they just be open about it, rather that snide, condescending and nasty. Calling people your "friends" and treating them like Sh$$ is really just so disgusting.

Hi VP,

 

Actually, what I said to Puppy was:

 

Normally I just walk on past your comments, like an empty beer can laying in the gutter.

 

And, that was being nice to him.   But, let me ask you:  If I were Roman Catholic, or very pro-Roman Catholic -- would you have even noticed that I wrote that to Puppy?   Now, be honest.

 

Keep in mind that we have all seen you totally overlook much worse from Vic and O No.

 

On another note, I do consider you my Forum Friend.  It may be unilateral, but that is okay.  It keeps my conscience clear.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

If that's your idea of "nice", that brings me to understanding that you are completely clueless. Do I think Vic and others are rude to you?myself included,....yes. Why? Because you are a catholic hater- deny it all you want but your words let us all know what you think of us. And it did get personal on many occasions. You reap what you sow, and you do not sow friendship.

Hi VP,

 

I have told you that Mariology is not Biblical.  I have told you that purgatory is not Biblical.  I have told you that the Eucharist is not Biblical. I have told you that Papal Authority and Infallibility are not Biblical.  I have told you that no church nor sacrament can give a person salvation.  And, I have told you that the Bible is our sole authority for salvation and for living the Christian life.

 

I have told you that a person who has, by the grace of God, through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ -- believed and received Him as Lord and Savior can KNOW that he/she has "eternal security" in Christ.  

 

I have told you, and others, that no one can condemn a person to hell -- except that person himself/herself.  God will not condemn anyone to hell.  ONLY that person can condemn himself/herself to hell.  They do that by making a choice to deny Christ and follow the world.  And, that is Biblical.

 

Please tell me what in any of that is being rude and hateful.  Where is that showing hatred for the Roman Catholics?  When you refute my beliefs, I do not accuse you of hating me.   You may, but not because of my beliefs.  So, when I refute what I believe is unBiblical in your church doctrines -- how is that showing hatred?

 

If you hate me, it is because you want to do so, not because of my Biblical beliefs.   Yet, I will still consider you my Forum Friend and I will always be willing to dialogue with you.  Depending upon my schedule and other issues being discussed, it might not be done immediately -- but, I will dialogue with you. 

 

No, my Friend, I do not hate you nor your church.  I just consider many of your church doctrines to not be Biblical.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

I have told you. I have told you.  Sounds like the Pope issuing edicts.  "Pope Bill".  I am not catholic - just noticed the "I" pattern!

Yeah it's all about him. Bill you do not even recognize how hateful you are. I'm sorry that a man of your age and supposed enlightenment is still so very immature. You can say my believes are unbiblical, I (and others) how scripture to show you the references, but blind eyes cannot see. Now, as for the Eucharist being "unbiblical"- that is positively ridiculous- you claim the Bible to be the literal word of God. "Take this all of you and eat- this is my body which will be given up for you" Many had problems with this teaching and stopped following him at that point. Those who believed what He said stayed, and follow Him to this day.

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Bill Gray

I really hate this forum program. Is it 1930 again?

 

 

Billy will be much easier to take if you realize he is working for Satan. He is not a Christian & reading the post of others, it's clear that he's getting worse with every post he makes. A true Christian doesn't treat/talk to others like he does. You would enjoy the forum much better if you would block him. Of course, there's one that seems to love arguing with him & it shows so I don't expect that person to block him, which is his right.  

Bill isn't listening to any advice that comes his way, he loves himself & his opinion to much.

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Strange little world.

Why do the atheist stay on the religion forum so dang much! Beginning to think they frequent this forum to make sure that they aren't left behind when the rapture takes place! I am a Christian and an atheist to me is someone who's looking for that answer to make them feel comfortable about their decision and their afterlife. If y'all think that's bunk, then STAY OFF THE RELIGION FORUM!! Go to the atheist forum, oh yeah, there's not one, so you hijack the religion forum even though you "don't believe"! POSERS!!!!

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Bill, Bill, Bill!!!!

 

It is both amusing and predictable to see how you jump to false conclusions.

 

The Christian Science Monitor, as you observe, is indeed a non-Christian publication. Despite its title, it is not a religious newspaper at all, but a  very dominantly secular newspaper, and one that is highly respected within the field of journalism..  In many years of reading rhe CSM, I do not recall ever having read an article written for the purpose of advancing the Christian Science belief system or any other religious agenda.   The CSM has a longstanding tradition of publishing one religious article in each edition, and these articles range over a wide area of religious subject matter, but do not promote any particular religious ideology, as you would, I believe, agree, if you were to familiarize yourself with the CSM instead  of relying on incorrect assumptions.

 

Over the years,  CSM writers and editors have received seven Pulitzer Prizes for material published in the CSM. This is no lightweight publication.

 

You apparently know nothing about the late Michael Spencer, the writer of the article you have gotten yourself so fatuously inflamed about.  Here is his bio, with excerpts that will help you to see that he is no enemy of religion.

 

http://www.internetmonk.com/mi...er-the-internet-monk

<<<Michael attended public schools in Owensboro, Kentucky. At age 15, he made a profession of faith in Christ at the Hall Street Baptist Church where his uncle, Rev. W.O. Spencer, pastored for many years. Later that same year, he started preaching in churches, and preached for the next 37 years.>>>

 

<<<Michael’s first book, Mere Churchianity, was published by Random House/Waterbrook  on June 15, 2010.

 

Michael was a member of a Southern Baptist church, preached each week at a private school and a Presbyterian church. He frequently worshiped with St. Patrick’s Anglican Church in Lexington, Kentucky.

 

Michael was much more opinionated on paper than in person. He described himself as a New Covenant, Reformation-loving, post-evangelical Christian in search of a Jesus shaped spirituality. He had great appreciation for the ancient church, missions, Christian community and theological underdogs.>>>

 

Spencer is not reluctant to describe and criticize conditions within the evangelical community that he sincerely believes to be inimical to its growth or even its survival, but he does so with the loving concern of an insider, not with  rancor or hostility. 

http://www.internetmonk.com/mi...er-the-internet-monk

 

In submitting this article to the forum, I by no means offered it as "proof that our Christian faith is going to collapse." I simply offered it with the comment that it is "thought provoking," which it most certainly is. The three excerpts I provided from the article deserve thoughtful and even prayerful consideration and intelligent response, not the hip-shooting, knee-jerk, off-the-wall, puerile load of shallow, misplaced invective you have levelled at this article.

 

Introspection and self-criticism are virtues, Bill.  Try to find some for yourself. You need them badly. Meanwhile, kindly refrain from reviling those who already have some measure of them. 

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Plenty of reasons for atheists to stay here. First of all, as has been pointed out a hundred times, when I started here it was titled differently and invited people to "discuss religion or their OTHER beliefs or practices."  Other than religion-get it? There are plenty of atheist forums, just not on this site. How has this forum been "hi-jacked"? Why do christians go to atheist forums and post? Sorry, you and others won't be allowed to post what you want about atheists without rebuttal. And IF I was looking for "comfort" about an afterlife, which doesn't exist btw, I'd look somewhere besides here. If you want to talk about "posers", read some of the posts of the some of the so called christians here, your's included.

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In a rare moment of agreement with your argument for allowing atheists on this forum, Bestworking, allow me to offer the following.

 

Many times I have read posts by various believers who find ra basis for identifying atheism as a "religion."  They base this on some alleged judicial finding that "secular atheism" is indeed a religious belief system and from this they argue that if "God is to be kept out of the public schools," then the "religion" of secular atheism must likewise be prohibited.

 

Those who have taken that position have, as a matter of logic, disqualified themselves from opposing the inclusion of atheistic subject matter on public forums.  Can't have it both ways.

 

Here is a general discussion of the matter of atheism as religion--pro and con:  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/S...theism_as_a_religion

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If you don't believe Bill worships the Bible above all else, you haven't read this post carefully.  Well, above all else except himself.

I'm sorry, I got lost after all the "I have's"............

 

Sooooooooooooooo.......who is the sole authority? 

Let me know when we find dark matter.

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I'm not an Atheist, & I'm not a Christian anymore, but I have as much right to be here as you. Are you suggesting that this forum should be just for Christians? Who is going to "prove" to the moderators that someone is not a Christian so they can ban that person? If they start banning  those that aren't Christians, they should start with Bill Gray.

 

Your remark that Atheist frequent this forum to make sure they aren't left behind when the rapture  takes place is one of the silliest things I've ever heard. You call yourself a Christian, but how do any of us know that?

 

Well well Semi for the n’th time has assured the world she is in no way a candidate for

 rainbow bridge.

I am curious as to what habit of hers is the disqualifying culprit.  Possibly I could be of some assistance in the matter.

Personally I'm glad to have atheists here. It's a good saying that to really know a topic, you should be able to debate both sides. I'm glad for the friendships I've cultivated, the things I learn, and the ability to find common ground among us all. (For the most part):-) Anyway, the atheists here have shown me reasoning behind their rejection of God. I totally respect that. Disagree, sure, but there is a common thread among us. It's nice to find it. Also, there is no better exercise in strengthening your own faith than to defend it. Cheers! Veep

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You evidently don't know what rainbow bridge is. Thank you but no assistance needed, I don't have any disqualifying habits. 

From the ashes of evangelicism may come a better religion.  The author was quite correct that evangelicals and indeed all christians have strayed into the unholy paths of politics and commerce, instead of living the lives of loving service which their Master showed them (but many seem to have forgotten).  Best let this movement die of its own folly and clear the way for the next (and hopefully better) step in the progressive evolution of religion

Hi Al,

 

So, it is the opinion of those ETs who gave the New Age Urantia Book religion to earth humans in the 1950s, that the Christian faith which God began with Adam and Eve, and which He confirmed through His Son, Jesus Christ, on the cross -- is going to die?  Okay.  And, it will be replaced by a religion from another galaxy brought to us by extraterrestrials -- right?

 

Do I hear the faint sounds of the Twilight Zone theme song?

 

Al, my Friend, I have dealt with those in the New Age religions for many years -- but, your version is the most unbelievable I have looked at yet.   Methinks you have watched too many episodes of Star Trek and Twilight Zone.

 

But, if that is your thing, okay.   All we can do is to pray that you come to your senses, turn from such worldly New Age religions and false teachings -- and decide to follow Christ, who is the real and only Master.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Poor Bill.  He is so scared of the future. 

But I love you anyways Bill.

Jesus spoke of Bill when he said how there were those timid and fearful souls who would rather put their faith in a religion of authority rather than wholeheartedly attempting to find God.  And that this is alright as the Father is ever aware of even such a feeble flicker of faith.  And how these frightened individuals would become discomforted by every new development, prefering to live in the distant past rather than face the future.

We see you Bill.  I understand you completely.  You are just a frightened old man lashing out at what you refuse to understand.

 

Since my comment was address to VP, I don't see how this applies to your beliefs, faith, nor which church you attend.

 

That is, UNLESS this is a Freudian Slip -- and you really are VP wearing another dress!

 

Will the real VP please stand?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Dove, strive to be more like me. It’s  lonely being the only one Bro Bill cannot intimidate. I know his “Achilles’ heel”.

Bill.

Time to don your "armor of God" and ride to victory!

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Don't make me pull out my picture of your hero Chuck Missler, Bill.

Hi Crust:

Good old Bill.  He holds a special place for me.  How many times have I shown up under false pretense since I've been gone?  Or is that phase of his life over...

And Bill.  Thanks for looking out for me.  I appreciate it!

I know you are a good man who is trying to do what he believes is the right thing.  You just unfortunately really suck at it.

But keep trying and someday we will laugh our ***es off about all this silly religious one-upmanship which we play on this diseased world... (well in the next step we won't have ***es any more, but you get the idea)