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The Last Supper and Institution of the Holy Eucharist

Of course, for your discernment

 

The following is an excerpt taken from Anne Catherine Emmerich's (1)

"Dolorous Passion of Our Lord, Jesus Christ." (2)

 

      "By command of our Lord, the major-domo had again laid out the table, which he had raised a little. Then, having placed it once more in the middle of the room, he stood one urn filled with wine, and another with water underneath it.

 

"Peter and John went into the part of the room near the hearth, to get the chalice which they had brought from Seraphia’s house, and which was still wrapped up in its covering. They carried it between them as if they had been carrying a tabernacle, and placed it on the table before Jesus.

 

"An oval plate stood there, with three fine white azymous loaves, placed on a piece of linen, by the side of the half loaf which Jesus had set aside during the Paschal meal, also a jar containing wine and water, and three boxes, one filled with thick oil, a second with liquid oil, and the third empty.

 

"In earlier times, it had been the practice for all at table to eat of the same loaf and drink of the same cup at the end of the meal, thereby to express their friendship and brotherly love, and to welcome and bid farewell to each other. I think Scripture must contain something upon this subject.

 

"On the day of the Last Supper, Jesus raised this custom (which had hitherto been no more than a symbolical and figurative rite) to the dignity of the holiest of sacraments. One of the charges brought before Caiphas, on occasion of the treason of Judas, was, that Jesus had introduced a novelty into the Paschal ceremonies, but Nicodemus proved from Scripture that it was an ancient practice.

 

"Jesus was seated between Peter and John, the doors were closed, and everything was done in the most mysterious and imposing manner. When the chalice was taken out of its covering, Jesus prayed, and spoke to his Apostles with the utmost solemnity. I saw him giving them an explanation of the Supper, and of the entire ceremony, and I was forcibly reminded of a priest teaching others to say Mass.

 

"He then drew a species of shelf with grooves from the board on which the jars stood, and taking a piece of white linen with which the chalice was covered, spread it over the board and shelf. I then saw him lift a round plate, which he placed on this same shelf, off the top of the chalice. He next took the azymous loaves from beneath the linen with which they were covered, and placed them before him on the board; then be took out of the chalice a smaller vase, and ranged the six little glasses on each side of it.

 

"Then he blessed the bread and also the oil, to the best of my belief, after which he lifted up the paten with the loaves upon it, in his two hands, raised his eyes, prayed offered, and replaced the paten on the table, covering it up again. He then took the chalice, had some wine poured into it by Peter, and some water, which he first blessed, by John, adding to it a little more water, which he poured into a small spoon, and after this he blessed the chalice, raised it up with a prayer, made the oblation, and replaced it on the table.

 

"John and Peter poured some water on his hands, which he held over the plate on which the azymous loaves had been placed; then he took a little of the water which had been poured on his hands, in the spoon that be had taken out of the lower part of the chalice, and poured it on theirs. After this, the vase was passed round the table, and all the Apostles washed their hands in it. I do not remember whether this was the precise order in which these ceremonies were performed; all I know is, that they reminded me in a striking manner of the holy sacrifice of the Mass.

 

"Meanwhile, our Divine Lord became more and more tender and loving in his demeanour; he told his Apostles that he was about to give them all that he had, namely, his entire self, and he looked as though perfectly transformed by love. I saw him becoming transparent, until he resembled a luminous shadow.

 

"He broke the bread into several pieces, which he laid together on the paten, and then took a corner of the first piece and dropped it into the chalice. At the moment when he was doing this, I seemed to see the Blessed Virgin receiving the Holy Sacrament in a spiritual manner, although she was not present in the supper-room. I do not know how it was done, but I thought I saw her enter without touching the ground, and come before our Lord to receive the Holy Eucharist; after which I saw her no more. Jesus had told her in the morning, at Bethania, that he would keep the Pasch with her spiritually, and he had named the hour at which she was to betake herself to prayer, in order to receive it in spirit.

 

"Again he prayed and taught; his words came forth from his lips like fire and light, and entered into each of the Apostles, with the exception of Judas. He took the paten with the pieces of bread (I do not know whether he had placed it on the chalice) and said: ‘Take and eat; this is my Body which is given for you.’ He stretched forth his right hand as if to bless, and, whilst he did so, a brilliant light came from him, his words were luminous.

 

"The bread entered the mouths of the Apostles as a brilliant substance, and light seemed to penetrate and surround them all, Judas alone remaining dark. Jesus presented the bread first to Peter, next to John (3) and then he made a sign to Judas to approach. Judas was thus the third who received the Adorable Sacrament, but the words of our Lord appeared to turn aside from the mouth of the traitor, and come back to their Divine Author. So perturbed was I in spirit at this sight, that my feelings cannot be described. Jesus said to him: ‘That which thou dost, do quickly.’ He then administered the Blessed Sacrament to the other Apostles, who approached two and two.

 

"Jesus raised the chalice by its two handles to a level with his face, and pronounced the words of consecration. Whilst doing so, he appeared wholly transfigured, as it were transparent, and as though entirely passing into what he was going to give his Apostles. He made Peter and John drink from the chalice which he held in his hand, and then placed it again on the table.

 

"John poured the Divine Blood from the chalice into the smaller glasses, and Peter presented them to the Apostles, two of whom drank together out of the same cup. I think, but am not quite certain, that Judas also partook of the chalice; he did not return to his place, but immediately left the supper-room, and the other Apostles thought that Jesus had given him some commission to do. He left without praying or making any thanksgiving, and hence you may perceive how sinful it is to neglect returning thanks either after receiving our daily food, or after partaking of the Life-Giving Bread of Angels.

 

"During the entire meal, I had seen a frightful little figure, with one foot like a dried bone, remaining close to Judas, but when he had reached the door, I beheld three devils pressing round him; one entered into his mouth, the second urged him on, and the third preceded him. It was night, and they seemed to be lighting him, whilst he hurried onward like a madman.

 

"Our Lord poured a few drops of the Precious Blood remaining in the chalice into the little vase of which I have already spoken, and then placed his fingers over the chalice, while Peter and John poured water and wine upon them. This done, he caused them to drink again from the chalice, and what remained of its contents was poured into the smaller glasses, and distributed to the other Apostles.

 

"Then Jesus wiped the chalice, put into it the little vase containing the remainder of the Divine Blood, and placed over it the paten with the fragments of the consecrated bread, after which he again put on the cover, wrapped up the chalice, and stood it in the midst of the six small cups. I saw the Apostles receive in communion these remains of the Adorable Sacrament, after the Resurrection.

 

"I do not remember seeing our Lord himself eat and drink of the consecrated elements, neither did I see Melchisedech, when offering the bread and wine, taste of them himself. It was made known to me why priests partake of them, although Jesus did not."

 

Here, Sister Emmerich looked suddenly up, and appeared to be listening. Some explanation was given her on this subject, but the following words were all that she could repeat to us:

 

"If the office of distributing it had been given to angels, they would not have partaken, but if priests did not partake, the Blessed Eucharist would be lost— it is through their participation that it is preserved.

 

"There was an indescribable solemnity and order in all the actions of Jesus during the institution of the Holy Eucharist, and his every movement was most majestic. I saw the Apostles noting things down in the little rolls of parchment which they carried on their persons. Several times during the ceremonies I remarked that they bowed to each other, in the same way that our priests do."

Lord, Jesus crucified, have mercy on us.

 

http://www.examiner.com/articl...f-the-holy-eucharist

 

 

 
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Vic, my Friend,

 

And, if you can believe any of that -- I have a beautiful bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you very cheap!

 

In your post, we read:  "Our Lord poured a few drops of the Precious Blood remaining in the chalice into the little vase."

 

So, Jesus poured His own blood into a chalice for folks to drink -- and, of course, we know that Jesus also participated in the Last Supper.  Therefore, Jesus drank His own blood?   Okay!

 

Folks, this is an extreme example of Eisegesis -- reading INTO SCRIPTURE what is NOT there!

 

And, it is further proof that the vast majority of Roman Catholic doctrines, rituals, traditions, and teachings come from extraBiblical sources.   In other words, the are NOT from God.

 

But, bless your heart, Vic, you are trying -- very trying!

 

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

And, it is further proof that the vast majority of Roman Catholic doctrines, rituals, traditions, and teachings come from extraBiblical sources.   In other words, the are NOT from God.

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Oh my!!!!  Billie boy!!!!!! Your grammar is slipping... Or could it be your Alabama educated itty bitty brain is deteriorating? Or perhaps your hatred of all things Catholic arouses you so, you become careless? Have you seen your doctor lately?

 

 

 

 

I would note that Vic stated "Of course, for your discernment".

 

No statement of fact. No statement of belief. 

 

Further for Mr. Gray:

 

Question One: Please show in the above post where it, in fact, was stated as "Christ's own blood"

Question Two: Can you exhibit actual and reputable documentary proof where the "vast majority of Catholic doctrine comes from extraBiblical sources"?

Question Three: Can you exhibit actual and reputable documentary proof that the "vast majority of Catholic doctrine" do not come from God?

 

Fact: Eisegesis is not limited to biblical scriptures and can be widely applied across literary disciplines.

 

I would submit that we see it in action time and time again.

Hi Ubu,

 

Did Christ participate in the Last Supper?  Yes?  Then, He drank the wine -- which Roman Catholicism tells us is His blood.

 

Then, you ask:

 

Question Two: Can you exhibit actual and reputable documentary proof where the "vast majority of Catholic doctrine comes from extraBiblical sources"?

 

Question Three: Can you exhibit actual and reputable documentary proof that the "vast majority of Catholic doctrine" do not come from God?

 

A better way to answer that is -- YOU show me which Roman Catholic doctrine DID come from the Bible.   Certainly not Mariology.  Certainly not the Eucharist.  Certainly not Purgatory.  Certainly not Papal Authority.  Certainly not Papal Succession.   I could go on and on.  But, better yet, YOU show me which of their doctrines are found in the Bible -- and where -- without having to read INTO Scripture what is not there.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Hi David,

 

What I have suggested to Ubu -- and I extend the invitation to you, also -- is to show me, from specific Scripture verses/passages the Biblical source (66 books) of those Roman Catholic doctrines.

 

And, what I am suggesting is that it be specific, literal reading from Scripture -- not reading INTO Scripture what you want it to say.

 

If you can provide true exegetical Biblical proof of those doctrines, please feel free to join in.  But, just to offer a web site sponsored and written by Roman Catholicism -- that flag does not fly.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Vic, my Friend,

 

And, if you can believe any of that -- I have a beautiful bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you very cheap!

 

In other words, you are saying that the only historical documents from this time period are the texts of the Bible.  I don't think so.

 

In your post, we read:  "Our Lord poured a few drops of the Precious Blood remaining in the chalice into the little vase."

 

So, Jesus poured His own blood into a chalice for folks to drink -- and, of course, we know that Jesus also participated in the Last Supper.  Therefore, Jesus drank His own blood?   Okay!

 

If you read the Bible literally, and that is what you tell us we must do, then you must also believe this.  You are saying that Jesus couldn't have done this? 

 

Folks, this is an extreme example of Eisegesis -- reading INTO SCRIPTURE what is NOT there!

 

Actually, not.  It is an extreme example of taking the Bible literally.  Since you don't, it just proves you  to be a hypocrite.

 

And, it is further proof that the vast majority of Roman Catholic doctrines, rituals, traditions, and teachings come from extraBiblical sources.   In other words, the are NOT from God.

 

The Last Supper is recorded in the Bible isn't it?  What significant contradictions does this text have with what is written in the Bible?

 

But, bless your heart, Vic, you are trying -- very trying!

 

Bless your hypocritical, condescending heart.

 

Bill

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Ubu,

 

Did Christ participate in the Last Supper?  Yes?  Then, He drank the wine -- which Roman Catholicism tells us is His blood.

 

 

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I'm pretty sure Jesus is the one that tells us this.  For someone who claims to be a "Christ follower", you sure do go to great lengths to deny Jesus' own teachings.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Ubu,

 

Did Christ participate in the Last Supper?  Yes?  Then, He drank the wine -- which Roman Catholicism tells us is His blood.

 

Then, you ask:

 

Question Two: Can you exhibit actual and reputable documentary proof where the "vast majority of Catholic doctrine comes from extraBiblical sources"?

 

Question Three: Can you exhibit actual and reputable documentary proof that the "vast majority of Catholic doctrine" do not come from God?

 

A better way to answer that is -- YOU show me which Roman Catholic doctrine DID come from the Bible.   Certainly not Mariology.  Certainly not the Eucharist.  Certainly not Purgatory.  Certainly not Papal Authority.  Certainly not Papal Succession.   I could go on and on.  But, better yet, YOU show me which of their doctrines are found in the Bible -- and where -- without having to read INTO Scripture what is not there.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Sorry, that is not the way it works. I made no assertions. You did. 

 

Question one directly related to your statements concerning the post above. I await your answer.

 

I do not profess to have any knowledge whatsoever concerning catholic doctrine.  

 

So your  "better answer" fails. Period paragraph

 

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Ubu,

 

Did Christ participate in the Last Supper?  Yes?  Then, He drank the wine -- which Roman Catholicism tells us is His blood.

 

 

________________

I'm pretty sure Jesus is the one that tells us this.  For someone who claims to be a "Christ follower", you sure do go to great lengths to deny Jesus' own teachings.

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Vic, my Friend,

 

And, if you can believe any of that -- I have a beautiful bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you very cheap!

 

In your post, we read:  "Our Lord poured a few drops of the Precious Blood remaining in the chalice into the little vase."

 

So, Jesus poured His own blood into a chalice for folks to drink -- and, of course, we know that Jesus also participated in the Last Supper.  Therefore, Jesus drank His own blood?   Okay!

 

Folks, this is an extreme example of Eisegesis -- reading INTO SCRIPTURE what is NOT there!

 

And, it is further proof that the vast majority of Roman Catholic doctrines, rituals, traditions, and teachings come from extraBiblical sources.   In other words, the are NOT from God.

 

But, bless your heart, Vic, you are trying -- very trying!

 

Bill

 

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Bill, since you have time to respond to this post, why don't you answer Crusty's question?

quote:   Originally Posted by smokey1:
Bill, since you have time to respond to this post, why don't you answer Crusty's question?

Smokey, my Friend,

 

Patience, my Friend.  I will respond to Crusty's comments and questions.   But, first I wanted to respond to a rather lengthy response from Ubu. 

 

For the last couple of days, I have been somewhat under the weather.  So, between coughing and a dripping nose, I have written short, simple responses.   And, at the same time I have been working on my response to Ubu.  I will post that today -- after I get a few more hours sleep.

 

But, I am happy that you are eager to have me respond to Crusty.  Does that mean that you WILL read my response?  If so, that will be a worthwhile effort.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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quote:   Originally Posted by Contendah:

Anyone who will read the Biblical accounts of the Last Supper will correctly conclude that the heavily fictionalized piece Vic has pasted (in his usual manner) is embellished with a whole lot of "facts" that were generated from human imagination. 

Contendah, my Friend,

 

It has been a while since you and I have been on the same page.  But I agree 100% with what you have written in this post.   Very well said, my Friend.

 

John 8:31-32, "So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, 'If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.' "

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

Anyone who  will read the Biblical accounts of the Last Supper will correctly conclude that the heavily fictionalized piece Vic has pasted (in his usual manner) is embellished with a whole lot of "facts" that were generated from human imagination.

Only a fool would bet their life on that statement. I'm not saying you did,

just saying don't.

 

 

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