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Is man inherently evil, as some seem to think, struggling daily to choose the 'right path' to follow in dealing with his fellow man? Or, is man unherently good, struggling daily to resist evil tempatations?

 

Let the fun begin.....

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Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

Is man inherently evil, as some seem to think, struggling daily to choose the 'right path' to follow in dealing with his fellow man? Or, is man unherently good, struggling daily to resist evil tempatations?

 

Let the fun begin.....

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Does this sound evil?

 

Get Ready - HAARP Has Been Turned Up Again.

 

There Is Evidence That HAARP Has Been Turned Up Again And Its Target Is The New Madrid Fault Line

If you are in the New Madrid fault line areas in Indiana, Illinois, Arkansas, Kentucky, Missouri, or Tennessee, be on the look out for glowing clouds, which are a signal of HAARP energy coming through the clouds and being directed into a particular location.

There is now strong evidence coming from the HAARP induction magnetometer that shows several distinct beams which are being transmitted into the region on full blast.

These signals were seen in the Haiti earthquake, and forty hours later there was a devastating earthquake. In Japan the induction magnetometer again showed a beam, and fifty-five hours later we saw the recent Japanese disaster. Now we are seeing these signals again, only now there are four distinct signals reading off the scale, all going off at once. Whatever it is they are doing, it should be huge.

 

If this attempt is successful, very soon we will see a tremendous earthquake, and it's self evident that it will be in the New Madrid fault line area.

You may be interested to know that FEMA is also conducting a large weeklong exercise in the New Madrid region that will simulate a catastrophic earthquake.

A quote pulled from the FEMA website states the following:

"The NLE 11 functional exercise, which will simulate a catastrophic earthquake in the New Madrid Seismic Zone, is scheduled to take place at venues in the national capital region and throughout the central U.S. These exercise activities are being carefully balanced with the current flooding and tornado-related disasters that FEMA and its partners are responding to, and adjustments have been made to exercise plans accordingly."

You may remember that just before 911, the government also just happened to be conducting exercises that simulated a similar attack on the area.

 

All signs point to an attack on the New Madrid fault sometime in the immediate future. Be vigilant and pray.

GEO, Christian Media (and now V) have been warning the world about the HAARP technology for many years. The definitive work on the subject is a book entitled

 

ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP

 

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I find it interesting that the (H)igh Frequency (A)ctive (A)uroral (R)esearch (P)roject could even remotely be blamed for causing an earthquake. The medium it's aimed at is far rmoved from the actual earth-besides, anybody who knows anything about resonant frequencies knows that ELF would be necessary to resonate rocks. Even then the rocks would only serve to conduct the waves-not the other way around like the old 'Seafarer' ELF comm system worked..

 

These 'mind control-weather control gizmo' tinfoil hat wearing freaks really crack me up.

 

I don't believe man IS evil. Just that he is easily tempted to be evil sometimes.

 

 

 

 

 

Last edited by Road Puppy
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by O No!:

I think man is inherently SELFISH.


Really?  How so? (curious)


Well, in one way, it's genetic. We are programmed to survive. That means we are genetically driven to try to keep the best and the most (food, shelter, or in today's world, money) so we will have a better chance to survive.

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

I find it interesting that the (H)igh (A)ltitude (A)tmospheric (R)esearch (P)roject could even remotely be blamed for causing an earthquake. The medium it's aimed at is far rmoved from the actual earth-besides, anybody who knows anything about resonant frequencies knows that ELF would be necessary to resonate rocks. Even then the rocks would only serve to conduct the waves-not the other way around like the old 'Seafarer' ELF comm system worked..

 

These 'mind control-weather control gizmo' tinfoil hat wearing freaks really crack me up.

 

I don't believe man IS evil. Just that he is easily tempted to be evil sometimes.

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Pup,,,I think man is capable of almost anything.

 

Electromagnetic Warfare

The electromagnetic spectrum has been used in the past for more than energy transmission and communication. On July 4, 1976, a radio mast in Kiev started emitting a complex harmonic ELF signal based around 11Hz that spread across the world.

 

This powerful signal upset radio communications everywhere and was named the Russian woodpecker after the buzzsaw sound it made. The intention behind this was to deliberately broadcast frequencies that were damaging to human health and mental well-being. These transmissions ended after the fall of the Soviet Union, but they illustrate how much influence ELF signals can have.

 

ELF waves will penetrate anything and everything, which is why ELF transmissions are used for submarine communication.

  

 

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Man is neither good nor evil. the circumstances he's faced with, the situations he's confronted with, and the choices he makes because of those are what tells us his nature.

the lessons he's taught as a child are what determines whether he will be a good person or a stankmuffin.

 

unfortunatly, some kids who are given every opportunity and raised in a life of affluence and privledge come to believe that because they always were given what they wanted, they are entitled to take what they desire because they desire it. these people are known as douchbags. then they start wearing their caps backwards, their pants around their knees and listening to eminem and calling themselves Gansta, then they go and shoot up their school because buffy wouldn't go to the prom with them.

 

 

people become evil, because they are taught to hate and fear things they don't understand... other races... other sexualities, other religions. people aren't evil because of what they do, what they do is because they are evil.

 

Bill Grays interpretation of the Good Book promotes Evil. that phelps guy isn't evil because he blames every bad thing on homosexuals, be blames homosexuals and disrupts funerals because he is evil

INV,

 

Oh I'm very familiar with The Russian Woodpecker. NATO designation: Steel Yard, Russian designation: Duga-3.

 

I remember that signal well as I received it across the shortwave bands in Canada in the summer of '76 when it fired up. Duga-3 was an over-the-horizon radar that watched for ionospheric backscatter returns from ballistic missile exhaust plumes. It was part of their early-warning system.

 

It's purpose was to let the Soviets know in enough time to retaliate when the U.S. launched ICBMs at them. Satellites have since rendered Duga-3 obsolete and it has been decomissioned (in 1989, shortly after the V.I. Lenin NPP at Chernobyl (Which was built primarily to power Duga-3) exploded.

 

It was never intended to be, nor was it harmful to human health or mental well-being. It was a ballistic missile early warning device. Period.

 

FYI-A baby's skull resonates (at a molecular level) at roughly 700 MHz. (700 cycles-per-second) More toward cell phone frequencies than OTH radars.)

 

An adult's at about 400-500 Mhz. But for the RF to to any damage-the POWER level of the signal must be considered also.

 

Duga's EIRP was about 10 MW (Megawatts), hence the need for a power plant nearby.

 

Somebody hanging off one of Duga's radiators would get a good thumpin' but so have guys working directly in front of smaller radar transmitters. That's how the microwave oven was invented.  Some radar tech got some of his insides heated up in front of a radar antenna.

  A microwave oven is just a 700 or so watt radar transmitter trapped in a steel faraday cage.

 

All RF can do to the human body is heat it thru absorption. You have to be immediately near a powerful transmitter to be heated by RF and it has to be at the right frequencies to cause your body's tissues to resonate (what causes the heating).

 

Even a 10MW signal several thousands of miles away will only make it hard to hear the crazy shortwave radio preachers.

While the Soviets may have had evil intentions-Duga was proof that they were also scared sh#tless of us.

 

 

Not mind control-Not magicl-Not a death ray. Just a big radio.

Last edited by Road Puppy
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

We're both selfish and communal.  Person first, family second, tribe third.  Not too hard to understand.

 

DF

 

there are exceptions. me for example.

wife first, kids 2nd, rest of my family and me 3rd, closest friends tied for 3rd. end of list.

'tribe' is on another less important list. sometiems i don't remember where that list was put.

 

also, i'm trying my best to become a hermit. i like talking to you guys here.. but that's because you aren't acctually HERE... once hte kids grow up and move out, i'm trying to talk my wife inot moving into a nice 3 bdrm/2ba cave someplace away form everyone else.

Montana is my greatest dream. there are more people i nthe city of nashville than the whole state of montana. in montana you can live in a house where you have to drive for an hour to get to your nearest neighbor.

 

i'm pretty sure my wife won't allow this, but a fella can dream

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

INV,

 

Oh I'm very familiar with The Russian Woodpecker. NATO designation: Steel Yard, Russian designation: Duga-3.

 

I remember that signal well as I received it across the shortwave bands in Canada in the summer of '76 when it fired up. Duga-3 was an over-the-horizon radar that watched for ionospheric backscatter returns from ballistic missile exhaust plumes. It was part of their early-warning system.

 

It's purpose was to let the Soviets know in enough time to retaliate when the U.S. launched ICBMs at them. Satellites have since rendered Duga-3 obsolete and it has been decomissioned (in 1989, shortly after the V.I. Lenin NPP at Chernobyl (Which was built primarily to power Duga-3) exploded.

 

It was never intended to be, nor was it harmful to human health or mental well-being. It was a ballistic missile early warning device. Period.

 

FYI-A baby's skull resonates (at a molecular level) at roughly 700 MHz. (700 cycles-per-second) More toward cell phone frequencies than OTH radars.)

 

An adult's at about 400-500 Mhz. But for the RF to to any damage-the POWER level of the signal must be considered also.

 

Duga's EIRP was about 10 MW (Megawatts), hence the need for a power plant nearby.

 

Somebody hanging off one of Duga's radiators would get a good thumpin' but so have guys working directly in front of smaller radar transmitters. That's how the microwave oven was invented.  Some radar tech got some of his insides heated up in front of a radar antenna.

  A microwave oven is just a 700 or so watt radar transmitter trapped in a steel faraday cage.

 

All RF can do to the human body is heat it thru absorption. You have to be immediately near a powerful transmitter to be heated by RF and it has to be at the right frequencies to cause your body's tissues to resonate (what causes the heating).

 

Even a 10MW signal several thousands of miles away will only make it hard to hear the crazy shortwave radio preachers.

 

 

Not mind control-Not a death ray. Just a big radio.

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The concern is what evil could be done with it, not what is it.

The capabilities for destruction are hugh, the intent was there.

 

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Dude....*sigh*

 

What it IS is what can be done with it.

 It never had the potential to harm anybody. It wasn't built for that purpose and it was incapable of that purpose.  It was a radio. Nothing more.

Read up on it, man!

 

The only way it could ever harm somebody is if a strong wind came up and somebody was standing under all that scrap metal when it fell over. The station equipment has all been salvaged for scrap by local residents (Whatever the Soviet army left behind after they cleaned it out).

 

The only part left of it is the big antenna. It creaks in the breeze nowadays. The only reason the scrappers haven't slavaged it yet from what a friend of mine in the Ukraine tells me is because it's structurally unstable and nobody wants to fall off of it trying to salvage pieces.

He says, "You have to start from the top and work down or it will fall on you. I don't want to climb that high!"

 

Last edited by Road Puppy
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

Dude....*sigh*

 

What it IS is what can be done with it.

 It never had the potential to harm anybody. It wasn't built for that purpose and it was incapable of that purpose.  It was a radio. Nothing more.

Read up on it, man!

 

The only way it could ever harm somebody is if a strong wind came up and somebody was standing under all that scrap metal when it fell over. The station equipment has all been salvaged for scrap by local residents (Whatever the Soviet army left behind after they cleaned it out).

 

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good god!!!!!   What I was saying in the first place was the evil that could

be done with HAARP if it came down to that.  dammmit...

 

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

Dude....*sigh*

 

What it IS is what can be done with it.

 It never had the potential to harm anybody. It wasn't built for that purpose and it was incapable of that purpose.  It was a radio. Nothing more.

Read up on it, man!

 

The only way it could ever harm somebody is if a strong wind came up and somebody was standing under all that scrap metal when it fell over. The station equipment has all been salvaged for scrap by local residents (Whatever the Soviet army left behind after they cleaned it out).

 

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good god!!!!!   What I was saying in the first place was the evil that could

be done with HAARP if it came down to that.  dammmit...

 

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God still has nothing to do with it.

 

HAARP is just another big radio used to study the ionosphere.

 

What evil could YOU do with a radio?

 


 

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

Dude....*sigh*

 

What it IS is what can be done with it.

 It never had the potential to harm anybody. It wasn't built for that purpose and it was incapable of that purpose.  It was a radio. Nothing more.

Read up on it, man!

 

The only way it could ever harm somebody is if a strong wind came up and somebody was standing under all that scrap metal when it fell over. The station equipment has all been salvaged for scrap by local residents (Whatever the Soviet army left behind after they cleaned it out).

 

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good god!!!!!   What I was saying in the first place was the evil that could

be done with HAARP if it came down to that.  dammmit...

 

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God still has nothing to do with it.

 

HAARP is just another big radio used to study the ionosphere.

 

What evil could YOU do with a radio?

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LMAO,,I think we can wrap this up, whatda say

 

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Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

Is man inherently evil, as some seem to think, struggling daily to choose the 'right path' to follow in dealing with his fellow man? Or, is man unherently good, struggling daily to resist evil tempatations?

 

Let the fun begin.....


Evil or sinful?  I think we're born sinful...you don't have to teach a toddler to lie...but evil?  I guess that depends on your definition.  When I think of evil, I think of people who take pleasure in causing others' pain, a sick and twisted mind.  I think a person may become evil but is not born with a sick/twisted mind.

 

JMHO

I agree to a point with Joy as far as the definition of evil and b50m concerning the psychopaths. Those people really don't have the capability to distinguish between right and wrong. Still I dunno if they were born that way (I guess it's possible) or if they were taught it. (Not to distinguish between the two for whatever reasons).

 

It's human nature to lie. It has to do with how we communicate with each other, I guess.

If we could communicate telepathically-lies wouldn't work. Politicians would be instantly out of a job.

 

 

I am going with Jen on this one. (who knew?)

 

I think that human beings are not born sinful, rather that they are born pure and unadulterated.  Most human beings, even ALL normal human beings are mirrors of what they are given for the first year or so of life.  If you give a normal child love that child will have a tremendous advantage in this life and for what may or may not come next, over a child who is given little love, or even worse, a child who is abused.

 

That being said, I also agree with Deep and others here, in that instinctively we are selfish animals, the descendants of fighting animals even, who are merely one civilized step away from savagery.

 

Civilization is the thin veneer which protects the animal in man from breaking down.

 

But I say that religion is the thing within each person which can lift him or her above the everyday fray of common life and give that person a taste of the spiritual, a breath of the eternal, an injection of the divine.

Originally Posted by alwilliams767:

 

1.)That being said, I also agree with Deep and others here, in that instinctively we are selfish animals, the descendants of fighting animals even, who are merely one civilized step away from savagery.

 

2.)Civilization is the thin veneer which protects the animal in man from breaking down.

 

3.)But I say that religion is the thing within each person which can lift him or her above the everyday fray of common life and give that person a taste of the spiritual, a breath of the eternal, an injection of the divine.

1.) True dat. Some of us are even closer than that.

2.) I think civilization protects the man from breaking down into the animal.

3.) Maybe that works for some-More power to 'em. I had enough of the 'divinity injections.'

Heh. They were kinda wearin' on me.

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