The NeoCons' Decision to Bomb Iran :
"We are conducting military operations inside Iran right now. The evidence is overwhelming, from both the Iranians [and] Americans, and Congressional sources."
http://snipurl.com/1g03s
Original Post
Replies sorted oldest to newest
quote:Originally posted by pba:
The NeoCons' Decision to Bomb Iran :
"We are conducting military operations inside Iran right now. The evidence is overwhelming, from both the Iranians [and] Americans, and Congressional sources."
http://snipurl.com/1g03s
quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
interventor
Familiar Face
Posted 11 April 2007 07:45 AM Hide Post
The MEK or Khalk are not mujahdeen, but a cult of the personality communist organization. Most are atheist. We probably are using them to spy, etc, against the Iranians -- big deal. We used Stalin against Adolf or Stalin used us. The world is not a clean sandbox where everyone plays nice. There're scorpions, snakes, land mines and worst hidden in the sand.
________________________________________________________________________________________________
Scott Ritter, who is pretty knowledgeable person who has been to Iran reported on the program Democracy Now that the US and Israel are gathering intelligence and working with the, MEK, which he describes as a cult and the Mujahadeen.
I heard the same logic when we supported Saddam in the 80's as well as bin Laden. These groups have little to know support among the Iranian people and are a terrorist. The US can't claim to be fighting terrorism and then use terrorist groups.
Iran has not attacked any country and is not a threat in the region. There is no need to support any of these fanatical terrorist groups or to attack Iran.
The US is after the oil and this will back fire and create a worse situation.
Ritter has been bought and paid for by the Arab interest in the area. Carter is simply an idiot who should have stayed in Georgia rasing his peeanuts. Reading his last book should show you how clueless he is about the middle east.quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
interventor:
How can you say that Iran is not a threat in the region? It is a known fact that Iran is assisting insurgents in Iraq with IED's. It is a known fact that Iran is a state sponser of terrorism. There is a large portion of the Iranian population who do not support the mullahs or the Iranian "president". Helping them to throw off the yoke of the opppresion they are under would be a good thing.
interventor
For good or ill, Scott Rider, like Jimmah Carter, had been bought and paid for by Arab interests. I didn't trust Chalabi and I don't trust him.
There are a number of groups acting against the current mullacracy, including Kurd separatists, monarchists, Arabs, the Khalq, Zoroastrians, Israeli operative, etc. The mullahs have made a plethora of enemies.
interventor
The MEK had a pretty well armed outfit in Iraq, before the war. We removed their artillery and armor and now everything,except a few pistols for their officers. The one I met said he was an atheist -- in muslim territory that is either brave or foolish.
________________________________________________________________________________________________
Iran is not a threat to anyone in the region.
It is not a "know fact that Iran is assisting insurgents in Iraq with IED's." It's another Bush claim that goes against evidence and logic, like his claims of Iraqi WMD and connections to al Qaeda. And if we weren't in Iraq it wouldn't even be an issue. They are assisting the Shiites in their fight against the Sunni. The majority of the IED attacks are coming from the Sunni. It is a known fact by every service member in Iraq. How do you think the insurgents in Iraq got the technology to produce IED's that will punch a hole in an M1 tank? You are clueless about what is really going on in Iraq that involves Iran.
You said yourself that it's OK for the US to support terrorist groups so why are you now pointing the finger at Iran?
Iran supports Hezbollah. Only the US and Israel claim Hezbollah are terrorists. They formed to oppose Israelis illegal occupation of a "Security Zone" in Southern Lebanon. Hezbollah are a legitimate political party in Lebanon. Iran also supports Hamas who has used suicide bombings in retaliation for Israelis murdering their leaders and other crimes against the Palestinian people. Israel has killed 3 times the number of civilians then the Palestinians have and their occupation and stealing land that is legally Palestinian while they carryout repression, apartheid and ethnic cleansing is also terrorism, which the US finances. Hamas has abided by a truce and has not attacked despite Israelis constant incursions into their territory. So, Hezbollah and Hamas aren't terrorist organizations, they just have a their charter the complete distruction of Isreal. Yeah, they sound peacefull to me.
The Iranian people have not asked us to "liberate them." Just as the Iraqi people did not ask us to "Liberate them." Supporting terrorist attacks against civilians or launching an attack on the country is not helping the Iranian people.
Iran does have elections and did elect a moderate liberal last election but US rejections to peace overtures discredit Khamati and constant censorship by the Mullahs disenchanted the liberal movement. Still, the Iranian people want freedom and are working towards it on their own. They all reject any US attacks. And these terrorist groups the US support will only turn on us in the future. Yeah, Iran has elections, just like Venezuela does. I never said attack Iran. I do believe the US could provide material support to democratic groups in Iran. Besides, who said the groups who want to take Iran back from the Mullah's were terrorist, besides you?
Bush wants to control the region for the oil. The Iraqi people know it, the Iranians know it and the world knows it. You always talk about how GWB wants to "control the region for oil". Would you like to explain to me just how much oil we have gotten out of Iraq since 2003? It shouldn't take you long.
Ritter and Carter are experienced in the region and credible. They are well respected world wide. They are also correct in their assessments.