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Maybe you need to read this if you are a fan of Darwin.

 

"Many who support the separation of church and state say that the intelligent design theory of creation ought not to be taught in public schools because it contains a religious bias. They dislike its suggestion that the evolutionary development of life was not the result of natural selection, as Charles Darwin suggested, but was somehow given purposeful direction and, by implication, was guided by God.
Arguing for what they believe is a nonprejudicial science, they contend that children in public schools should be taught Darwin's explanation of how the human race evolved, which they claim is value-free and depends solely on scientific evidence.
In terms of science, Darwin's account may be solid indeed. But value free? Nothing could be further from the truth - and that's where the problem lies.
Some creationists fear Darwin because his theories contradict their literal biblical belief that creation occurred in six 24-hour days. But they do not get at the real dangers of Darwinism. They do not realize that an explanation of the development of biological organisms over eons of time really does not pose the great threat to the dignity of our humanity that they suppose. Instead, they, along with the rest of us, should really fear the ethical implications of Darwin's original writings.
In reality, those writings express the prevalent racism of the 19th century and endorse an extreme laissez-faire political ideology that legitimizes the neglect of the suffering poor by the ruling elite.
Those who argue at school board meetings that Darwin should be taught in public schools seldom have taken the time to read him. If they knew the full title of On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life, they might have gained some inkling of the racism propagated by this controversial theorist. Had they actually read Origin, they likely would be shocked to learn that among Darwin's scientifically based proposals was the elimination of "the negro and Australian peoples," which he considered savage races whose continued survival was hindering the progress of civilization.
In his next book, The Descent of Man (1871), Darwin ranked races in terms of what he believed was their nearness and likeness to gorillas. Then he went on to propose the extermination of races he "scientifically" defined as inferior. If this were not done, he claimed, those races, with much higher birthrates than "superior" races, would exhaust the resources needed for the survival of better people, eventually dragging down all civilization.
Darwin even argued that advanced societies should not waste time and money on caring for the mentally ill, or those with birth defects. To him, these unfit members of our species ought not to survive.
In case you think Darwin sounds like a ****, there is a connection. Darwin's ideas were complicit in the rise of **** ideas. Pulitzer Prize winner Marilynne Robinson, in her insightful essay on Darwin, points out that the German nationalist and anti-Semitic writer Heinrich von Treitschke and the biologist Ernst Haeckel also drew on Darwin's writings to justify racism, nationalism and harsh policies toward the poor and less privileged. Although these men's lives much predated Hitler's rise to power, their ideas were very influential as he developed the racist ideas that led to the Holocaust. Konrad Lorenz, a biologist who belonged to the **** Office for Race Policy and whose work supported **** theories of "racial hygiene," made Darwin's theories the basis for his reasoning.
I hope our schoolchildren will be taught that it is up to science to study the processes that gave birth to the human race. But, as postmodern as it may be, I also want them to learn that whatever science discovers about our biological origins, there is, nevertheless, a mystical quality in human beings that makes each of us sacred and of infinite worth.
Regardless of how we got here, we should recognize that there is an infinite qualitative difference between the most highly developed ape and each and every human being. Darwin never recognized this disjuncture. And that is why his theories are dangerous. "

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Semi, I feel I would be remiss in not pointing out the damage Darwin’s Origin heaped especially upon blacks. You are ridiculous to argue it as a necessary evil. If you don’t believe Darwin single-handedly caused more misery and suffering on a race of people than any other thing in history you are still a part of the problem of racism. As in Darwin’s day the social side of you and the Bestworkings among us had rather believe the lie rather than admit Darwin evolution is and was a lie at the expense of other races.

   It should be against the law for Darwinism to be taught in schools.

Originally Posted by lexum:

Semi, I feel I would be remiss in not pointing out the damage Darwin’s Origin heaped especially upon blacks. You are ridiculous to argue it as a necessary evil. If you don’t believe Darwin single-handedly caused more misery and suffering on a race of people than any other thing in history you are still a part of the problem of racism. As in Darwin’s day the social side of you and the Bestworkings among us had rather believe the lie rather than admit Darwin evolution is and was a lie at the expense of other races.

   It should be against the law for Darwinism to be taught in schools.

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You spend a heck of a lot more time thinking and obsessing on darwin then I ever have. You want to teach children that the earth is only 6000 years old, and some imaginary "god" scooped up dirt and made a human, then made another human from his rib bone. Then those two bred and then bred with their children and created all the humans in the world. I wonder if you godbots ever think about how that sounds to rational people. 

Originally Posted by lexum:

Why do you get so mad about everything? you know I’m laughing at you

You’re cute when you are mad.

 

You've never seen me "mad" or even a bit upset. If that's what you think you do to me or anyone then once again you fail. I'll tell you just like I told ono, it's your time to do whatever with, and if that means reading my posts and getting all agitated then have at it.  What you get from me is disgust and a bit of worry knowing people like you are "out there".

Originally Posted by lexum:

OH YEs u doo get mad girlly. you have cussed me till flies won't light on me. i bet your scab workers think you are gonna cut their pay.

Cussed at you? Show me where. My "scab" employees? You are insane, maybe you got your pay cut but I can promise you none of my employees have ever had theirs cut. If you were paid what you were actually worth you couldn't buy a soda.

Originally Posted by lexum:

Semi, I feel I would be remiss in not pointing out the damage Darwin’s Origin heaped especially upon blacks. You are ridiculous to argue it as a necessary evil. If you don’t believe Darwin single-handedly caused more misery and suffering on a race of people than any other thing in history you are still a part of the problem of racism. As in Darwin’s day the social side of you and the Bestworkings among us had rather believe the lie rather than admit Darwin evolution is and was a lie at the expense of other races.

   It should be against the law for Darwinism to be taught in schools.

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I can't figure out if you're trying to be funny or you're really stupid! Where have I ever mentioned Darwin or blacks? Show me where I argued anything as a necessary evil. Show me where I have ever said I believed in Darwin. Show me where I have ever said I was an Atheist. You can't so I guess that means you're stupid.

I hate calling anyone names but you have no right to judge me and lie while you were doing it.

It’s weird but you are the only one to ever in my life accuse me of being a racist.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well we can tell he's not funny, and we can surely tell he's stupid. Remember, you're posting to a man that thinks the earth is only 6 thousand years old and that his jesus ran around dodging dinosaurs.

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just curious best; how old can you prove the earth to be?

you can't prove it to be any age atall girlie.

And to you dear semi, with all the uncertainty that tomorrow will come my advice to you is to come out of the closet on the side for God if that’s where you are.  Why be so reckless as to gamble seeing your loved ones some day. If I thought for one minute these ***whole athiest could provide any comfort for you after death I would admit it.

As usual buffalo/okuok/ramm/lexum is being deceitful. If he was as smart as he claims to be then he would understand that the term race was not used in Darwins time as it is today. Also regardless of whether Darwin was a racist (I don't believe that to be so) this has no bearing on Evolution. The article above was on the Richard Dawkins website as a discussion article. Dawkins in no way is endorsing or agreeing with the ignorant author.

 

Seems that I remember buffalo/okuok/ramm/lexum bringing this up a few times in the past. Must be some obsession he has with trying to justify his racism. He seems to be trying to blame his own short comings and ignorance on the work of Darwin. As we have all seen he and others here are really good at twisting anything into what they WANT it to say and mean. The auther of this article is no different. He is trying to make the works of Darwin represent and say something it never did. He is using it to try and promote his belief in intelligent design, which Darwin never disputed or even addressed in his work.

 

Darwin was a brilliant and great scientist that deserves credit for all modern day biology. To try and discredit his work with this kind of personal attack is pretty much what I have come to expect from the Christians. If you can't dispute the message then kill the messenger. He was actually a abolitionist., His whole family practically argued against slavery. He became an apprentice to a free black man at the age of 16 to learn more about the study of birds. He later called this man his most intimate friend. What his book tried to teach the ignorant racist of his time was that we are all related. We all share a common ancestor. That is about as far from racism as you can get.

 

Darwin published his book in 1859....the first African slaves were brought to the colonies in 1619...you do the math.

Yes dark there were times in my life that I consider racist due to Darwin’s teachings and cartoons.

Anyone that cannot see the damage to society is blind. He should be dug up and hanged for crimes committed against mankind.  ….and Darwin should not be taught in school below college level and then with his references to groups as mere lower animals removed.

In 1857, two years before Charles Darwin pushed The Origin of Species, Josiah C. Nott and George Gliddon, creationists who argued that science supported the Biblical account of creation, published Indigenous Races of the Earth. Dr. Nott, from South Carolina, had been writing and giving lectures on race for years and his works were highly influential. All of the copies of Indigenous Races of the Earth were pre-sold before they were even printed. The book went on to be published in many languages and was one of the best selling books of the time. An illustration in Indigenous Races of the Earth compared the skulls of "Greeks", "Negroes", and Chimpanzees.

 

http://rationalrevolution.net/...es/darwin_****sm.htm

Originally Posted by lexum:

And to you dear semi, with all the uncertainty that tomorrow will come my advice to you is to come out of the closet on the side for God if that’s where you are.  Why be so reckless as to gamble seeing your loved ones some day. If I thought for one minute these ***whole athiest could provide any comfort for you after death I would admit it.

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Come out of what closet? I'm not hiding anything. I'm been so upfront about how I feel & do/don't believe that a couple of people on this forum have asked me to shut up about it.

I hid how I really felt for years & I decided I couldn't do it anymore. Was that not reckless & gambling with my life? As long as I appeared to be a good little Christian  no one worried about me, I was safe.

 

Those a*s*s*hole Atheist you mention have been good to me. Not one of them has tried to convince me they're right & the religious are wrong. They are just as kind, loving, law-abiding people as some Christians. I have a couple of Christian friends on this forum that have been good to me too, & not one of them has put any pressure on me. Most other times, I'm being told I'm either to far gone or that I'm going to Hell. I know some Christian people that I wouldn't dare turn my back to.

 

BTW, what exactly is your problem with Atheist? How do they threaten you in any way?

I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions that I asked you in another post. Scroll up & you'll see it.

I'm outta here, going to dinner with my honey.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

In 1857, two years before Charles Darwin pushed The Origin of Species, Josiah C. Nott and George Gliddon, creationists who argued that science supported the Biblical account of creation, published Indigenous Races of the Earth. Dr. Nott, from South Carolina, had been writing and giving lectures on race for years and his works were highly influential. All of the copies of Indigenous Races of the Earth were pre-sold before they were even printed. The book went on to be published in many languages and was one of the best selling books of the time. An illustration in Indigenous Races of the Earth compared the skulls of "Greeks", "Negroes", and Chimpanzees.

 

http://rationalrevolution.net/...es/darwin_****sm.htm

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the link don't work for me.

it's possible Josiah and george need to be dug up and hanged too.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

As usual buffalo/okuok/ramm/lexum is being deceitful. If he was as smart as he claims to be then he would understand that the term race was not used in Darwins time as it is today. Also regardless of whether Darwin was a racist (I don't believe that to be so) this has no bearing on Evolution. The article above was on the Richard Dawkins website as a discussion article. Dawkins in no way is endorsing or agreeing with the ignorant author.

 

Seems that I remember buffalo/okuok/ramm/lexum bringing this up a few times in the past. Must be some obsession he has with trying to justify his racism. He seems to be trying to blame his own short comings and ignorance on the work of Darwin. As we have all seen he and others here are really good at twisting anything into what they WANT it to say and mean. The auther of this article is no different. He is trying to make the works of Darwin represent and say something it never did. He is using it to try and promote his belief in intelligent design, which Darwin never disputed or even addressed in his work.

 

Darwin was a brilliant and great scientist that deserves credit for all modern day biology. To try and discredit his work with this kind of personal attack is pretty much what I have come to expect from the Christians. If you can't dispute the message then kill the messenger. He was actually a abolitionist., His whole family practically argued against slavery. He became an apprentice to a free black man at the age of 16 to learn more about the study of birds. He later called this man his most intimate friend. What his book tried to teach the ignorant racist of his time was that we are all related. We all share a common ancestor. That is about as far from racism as you can get.

 

Darwin published his book in 1859....the first African slaves were brought to the colonies in 1619...you do the math.

 

 

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Hate to quote the whole thing again but this is good reading. Well done.

I apologize for the ignorance, hate and deceit exhibited by people I'm supposed to call "brothers."  We aren't all stupid.  

Originally Posted by Frankly:

I apologize for the ignorance, hate and deceit exhibited by people I'm supposed to call "brothers."  We aren't all stupid.  

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I don't consider all Christians stupid, & you're obviously not, but the majority of them do practice ignorance, hate and deceit. They should realize that you can only beat a dog so much before it bites back.

 

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