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NEW RUSSIAN NUKES

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472506,00.html

OBAMAS NEW NUKE STRATEGY

http://www.latimes.com/news/na...an04,0,1799502.story

'The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.'

'When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.'

'And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.'

'An elective despotism was not the government we fought for.' - Thomas Jefferson

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In 2985, when Gorbachev first met with Reagan, the US and Soviet Union had amassed about 60,000 nuclear warheads, enough to destroy the world's population many times over. Through strict brokerage, and a few close calls, we have managed to end the Cold War and take many of these weapons out of existence. It took the strength of Lugar and Nunn to see that we could not let these weapons on the market when the Soviet Union collapsed. What worries me more than this is the huge amount of biological weapons and the scientists who were without jobs when the collapse came. These scientists needed to be paid, and my guess is that many of them were recruited by Iran or other shady groups, and put to work doing the evil deeds they had done under the Soviet umbrella. Many parts of the Soviet Union are still contaminated today due to programs which viloated the International Treaties of the '70s
Obama is treading in deep water here. And though I do not want to see another arms race, he does not need to allow the proliferation of these weapons to begin again. There are too many people in Iran who believe they are destined to bring about the end of the world. We do not need to give them any help.
It is termed "blowback": also known as "What ye sow ye shall reap." The US wanted to put radar stations in Poland and Bohemia, right on the Russian border in Poland, and that was after "we" had allegedly bought into the pie in the sky, rather, laser in the sky, nonsense of Starwars. Russia decided to take matters into its own hands, superpowers do not the BOP to be upset, as a rule. Hence the "truce" in the Himalayas between Pakistan and India, India and China, etc. Countries which can nuke one another don't need hot wars that can make fingers itchy.
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
It is termed "blowback": also known as "What ye sow ye shall reap." The US wanted to put radar stations in Poland and Bohemia, right on the Russian border in Poland, and that was after "we" had allegedly bought into the pie in the sky, rather, laser in the sky, nonsense of Starwars. Russia decided to take matters into its own hands, superpowers do not the BOP to be upset, as a rule. Hence the "truce" in the Himalayas between Pakistan and India, India and China, etc. Countries which can nuke one another don't need hot wars that can make fingers itchy.



Like it or not comrade, "Star Wars" worked. There in no longer a soviet union. I know that breaks your heart along with butternU, reddaw, and L black.
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
It is termed "blowback": also known as "What ye sow ye shall reap." The US wanted to put radar stations in Poland and Bohemia, right on the Russian border in Poland, and that was after "we" had allegedly bought into the pie in the sky, rather, laser in the sky, nonsense of Starwars. Russia decided to take matters into its own hands, superpowers do not the BOP to be upset, as a rule. Hence the "truce" in the Himalayas between Pakistan and India, India and China, etc. Countries which can nuke one another don't need hot wars that can make fingers itchy.


We've offered the Russ the specifications on the interceptors. Sheer physics would show that any missiles launched from European Russian territory could not be intercepted in time for the radar to report their presence and launch the interceptors. The interceptors are solely missiles coming further south -- Iran.

Russia made a power play and succeeded. The US backed down and Putin was able to intimidate their neighbors in the near abroad.

Meanwhile, Putin and his old KBG allies can go on looting Russian and planning their getaway. The old commies are living in villas on the Brazilian coast. I wonder where the Putin and his bunch will go in their luxurious exile, leaving Russia to her somewhat deserved fate.
Would not Diego Garcia make more sense than Poland? Look, the Czech government changed and did not want them there. Poland will kick sand in Russia's face any chance they get, voici the result: a split decision, with the judge, the USA deciding for Russia.

When did any ICBMs ever get launched to test Star
Wars? Shoot, they barely could get the stupid near worthless Patriot missiles to shoot down the giant bottle rocket SCUDs once in a while, they would have been better off with a spotlight and antiaircraft guns like London in 1941!

Starwars was a gigantic boondoggle sponsored by the Republican Party for their paymasters Raytheon, Boeing, etc. and not much more. How many freaking ICBMs launching and leaving trajectory on target with MIRVs does one need to chalk up "success?" It ain't called MAD fer nuttin' ya know.
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Originally posted by teyates:
In 1985, when Gorbachev first met with Reagan, the US and Soviet Union had amassed about 60,000 nuclear warheads, enough to destroy the world's population many times over. Through strict brokerage, and a few close calls, we have managed to end the Cold War and take many of these weapons out of existence. It took the strength of Lugar and Nunn to see that we could not let these weapons on the market when the Soviet Union collapsed. What worries me more than this is the huge amount of biological weapons and the scientists who were without jobs when the collapse came. These scientists needed to be paid, and my guess is that many of them were recruited by Iran or other shady groups, and put to work doing the evil deeds they had done under the Soviet umbrella. Many parts of the Soviet Union are still contaminated today due to programs which viloated the International Treaties of the '70s
Obama is treading in deep water here. And though I do not want to see another arms race, he does not need to allow the proliferation of these weapons to begin again. There are too many people in Iran who believe they are destined to bring about the end of the world. We do not need to give them any help.

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Reagan proposed to share Star Wars technology with the Soviet Union, but Gorbachev and the military did not want anything that would provide for the emasculation of their missile forces. They had plenty of spies in the US including those who were in postion to get hgi level secrets and communications information.
They were fearful of us, but at least Reagan held their feet to the fire until it forced them to cave.
unfortuantely we are not dealing with the same types of folks. The Russians feared death and destruction, whereas the radical IslamoFascist thinks it is his destiny to die in jihad, so he will have no fear of using these weapons. They must not be allowed to get into their hands. I think however our president and his advisors are either to weak or to blind to see this.
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
Would not Diego Garcia make more sense than Poland? Look, the Czech government changed and did not want them there. Poland will kick sand in Russia's face any chance they get, voici the result: a split decision, with the judge, the USA deciding for Russia.

When did any ICBMs ever get launched to test Star
Wars? Shoot, they barely could get the stupid near worthless Patriot missiles to shoot down the giant bottle rocket SCUDs once in a while, they would have been better off with a spotlight and antiaircraft guns like London in 1941!

Starwars was a gigantic boondoggle sponsored by the Republican Party for their paymasters Raytheon, Boeing, etc. and not much more. How many freaking ICBMs launching and leaving trajectory on target with MIRVs does one need to chalk up "success?" It ain't called MAD fer nuttin' ya know.


Diego Garcia is located off the southern coast of east Africa. Typically, ICBMs are supersonic and our interceptors are not. To stop missiles approaching Europe, the interceptor missiles must approach from the oncoming path of the missile. From Diego Garcia, it could not catch the ICBM. The nations previously part of the Iron Curtain nations and now part of Russia's near abroad may hate the Russ and wish to defy them, but do so at great peril. especially, with a weak president in the White House.

We've launched several target ICBMs towards Kwajelein Island where the first test batteries were stationed. Most were successful. At present, the batteries in Alaska and California are three stage versions. The interceptors planned for Poland were two stage and were still undergoing tests.

The original Patriot missiles were designed to shoot down aircraft. That they were able to shoot down any missiles was pure serendip. The newer improved Patriot 3s do a much better job, but they are not designed to shoot down ICBMs.

The spotlight/AAA battery combination protecting London shot down few bombers. Their flack couldn't reach them. The fire was mainly to keep the bombers high up so their accuracy would be less. RAF fighters were the main weapon against German bombers.

MAD was a success. The USSR is dead, but their inhabitants, as well as ours, are alive. And, some what freer.
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"When did any ICBMs ever get launched to test Star Wars?"

I guess you don't remember what led up to Star Wars. Both sides believed that a nuclear war was winnable. The results of the Star Wars studies (ours and theirs - don't think they sat there and twiddled their thumbs while we plotted their demise, nor were their tech people too stupid to run their own assessments.) showed that no matter who launched first, both sides would be wiped out - along with almost everybody else in the world. Dumping the idea of a winnable nuclear exchange was the best investment in sanity we have ever made.


"Shoot, they barely could get the stupid near worthless Patriot missiles to shoot down the giant bottle rocket SCUDs once in a while,"

The Patriot system was not designed to shoot down Scuds. It was used because it was all that was available. The problems came from a logistics glich which delayed upgraded software to be in place when needed and command decisions as to be down for upgrade when available or stand fast with what you have.

Even so, the Patriot functioned with it's predicted reliability of 98%. For some reason people were unaware that when you shoot something down, it can fall on you - remarkable.

"they would have been better off with a spotlight and antiaircraft guns like London in 1941!"

The big guns were used to bolster the confidence of the English people - they were not effective.

"How many freaking ICBMs launching and leaving trajectory on target with MIRVs does one need to chalk up "success?" It ain't called MAD fer nuttin' ya know."

And Star Wars is how we know that there is no "sucess" in nuclear war.
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The presentwest coast interceptor system is designed to defeat a limited attack from North Korea.

Similarly, the proposed system in central Europe was designed to stop a limited number from Iran or similar. The present ayotollahs believe its their duty to bring about an end time war between the pagans and the muslims. With the 12th iman leading the war and Moses and Jesus in tow.

Kim s crazy, but really doesn't want to die. The Iranian regime is composed of utter nutters who welcome death and destruction.

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