This is aparently what the Vegas Gunman used

https://youtu.be/g62m7yOhgRY  

Yet one more video that could reveal how such a nut could easily do so much harm.  I never knew there were 150 round barrel magazines for these guns nor did I know about the bump/slide stock.  After seeing this and realizing that it took almost an hour for the SWAT team to breach this guys door it may be more amazing that he didn't kill even more but then over 500 injured is understandable.    The guy was a millionaire, maybe some gambling problems, but who would ever think such a guy would do such a thing.  

For the gun control advocates I'll only submit when has a law stopped a criminal or lawbreaker from doing what they wanted to do?  You can make any gun law you want but people like this aren't going to abide by them.  If a person wants to speed then speed limit laws aren't going to deter them and the same applies to gun laws.   Could be his choice of a gun lessened the number of dead and wounded.  He was a pilot, owned a plane, so how many might have died or been wounded if he had loaded his plane with fuel and explosives and flew into the crowd?   

On the topic of goobermint gun laws keeping us all safe, Marco Rubio received the Washington Post's highest award for truth when he was fact checked on his statement that "No recent mass shootings would have been prevented by gun laws.".

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I wish ONE demoslop could tell me how banning any gun would stop things like this? I am surprised there haven't been more things like this on an even larger scale. He had a pilots license too. Think about that. Think about how many people of all "persuasions" have the means to do these things without ever touching a gun.

To be added to the list of "what the shooter used" includes the prescribed drug Diazapam:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-...i-anxiety-medication

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As I've posted, they found tannerite, an explosive, in his house and car.  If he'd taken that, plus jellied gasoline in a plane and crashed it at the celebration, the casualties might have been much worse. 

A few additional comments about laws banning guns.  For one if the 2nd Amendment is to be changed then it should be done so by the procedure prescribed within the Constitution for such changes and not by legislation, judicial advocacy, or Executive Order.   

For those who believe a gun ban is needed consider that they banned Alcohol during prohibition and created a new criminal industry getting the product to people who wanted it so they were able to get it.

Drugs have been outlawed and banned for years yet drugs are easily obtained by those who want it and a great many people die annually, innocent and not, due to the drug industry.

People willfully violate laws daily whether it be speeding or drunk driving and as a result their violations often kill innocent people.    

All banning guns will do is remove them from law abiding people and set them up to be run over by criminals or people that no longer fear their ability to fight back.  Is there any laws that have actually stopped criminals and criminal activity?

direstraits posted:

As I've posted, they found tannerite, an explosive, in his house and car.  If he'd taken that, plus jellied gasoline in a plane and crashed it at the celebration, the casualties might have been much worse. 

It really makes you wonder what all mayhem this guy was considering because obviously he could have killed far more.  Then again today they said he did have some kind of exit plans and planned on leaving alive so maybe he did have other plans to continue his killing spree and we haven't heard about it yet.

direstraits posted:

As I've posted, they found tannerite, an explosive, in his house and car.  If he'd taken that, plus jellied gasoline in a plane and crashed it at the celebration, the casualties might have been much worse. 

I believe the tannerite was found at the shooters home, but his car had the AN part of ANFO. The bassterd could have easily added the FO part in a container with added nails, BB's, and/or scrap metal and loaded that into his plane.

 http://abcnews.go.com/US/bomb-...ar/story?id=50259831

Or that rich murderer could have just bought a large truck or RV and plowed into the event, with or without the bomb.

I might also note that bump fire/ slide fire systems were determined by the BATF to be legal in 2010. I doubt that will be the case very soon.

 https://www.ammoland.com/2017/...s-atf/#axzz4ubWkdNFR

I think you can take that to the bank Stanky.  While I'm a huge 2nd Amendment advocate believing that the founders did mean for citizens to be able to possess and have military type weapons I have to also wonder would they have done things differently if they could know what improvements and advancements would be made to guns.  While I don't worry that the 2nd Amendment will be eliminated I am 99% sure that Bump/Slide stocks will soon be illegal to get.  The question is can or will they grandfather in people that have purchased them prior to a law that they most likely will pass.

Stanky posted:

direstraits posted:

As I've posted, they found tannerite, an explosive, in his house and car.  If he'd taken that, plus jellied gasoline in a plane and crashed it at the celebration, the casualties might have been much worse. 

I believe the tannerite was found at the shooters home, but his car had the AN part of ANFO. The bassterd could have easily added the FO part in a container with added nails, BB's, and/or scrap metal and loaded that into his plane.

 http://abcnews.go.com/US/bomb-...ar/story?id=50259831

Or that rich murderer could have just bought a large truck or RV and plowed into the event, with or without the bomb.

 

The county sheriff announced the discovery of the explosives in the car only recently.  It was in five containers not originally examined. 

gbrk posted:

I think you can take that to the bank Stanky.  While I'm a huge 2nd Amendment advocate believing that the founders did mean for citizens to be able to possess and have military type weapons I have to also wonder would they have done things differently if they could know what improvements and advancements would be made to guns.  While I don't worry that the 2nd Amendment will be eliminated I am 99% sure that Bump/Slide stocks will soon be illegal to get.  The question is can or will they grandfather in people that have purchased them prior to a law that they most likely will pass.

While I don't care if those bump fire stocks disappear, I hope that Congress can bargain to get pro-Second Amendment language included in the ban bill as a trade to force anti-gun states and local government to trust their good citizens. What I've seen of bump fire systems is that they are a great way to miss faster.