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Reading where the Pres is going to send troops to Africa and fight the Ebola problem there. Trouble is that he is sending the National Guard, personnel sent from states all across the US. So when they come back they will be spread among the populace. Now if you believe that the Government will prevent them from bringing the virus back to their states you might ask the nurses who are infected why the Government didn't prevent them from being infected.

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Would someone who knows for sure please quote the regulations for sending in the National Guard?  I know they have been used extensively in combat  overseas, but i thought they were supposed to be ordered to duty by the individual state authorities.  Look those American kids in the eye and tell them where daddy or mommy  is going.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by earthmomma:

Would someone who knows for sure please quote the regulations for sending in the National Guard?  I know they have been used extensively in combat  overseas, but i thought they were supposed to be ordered to duty by the individual state authorities.  Look those American kids in the eye and tell them where daddy or mommy  is going.

 

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EM, not quoting from regs but personal experience, the governor of the state can activate the Guard for missions such as disaster relief such as tornado & hurricane.  The POTUS may federalize the Guard for the same reasons plus civil unrest as well as active duty in a combat area.

 

Every member of the Guard and Reserve has known since Desert Storm that their obligations will include at least one active duty tour during their enlistment.  I lost count of how many I had from the coast of South America to the deserts of SWA.  And yes, family support is essential.  As is an understanding employer.

 

What JT doesn't know that when it comes to "builders" is that there are none better than the engineers, contractors, heavy equipment operators, electricians, so forth and so on who do this kind of job daily except for "one weekend a month" and when they are on active duty in the Guard & Reserve when they do it for their country.

 

Not only builders, but Guard and Reserve hospital staff who do the same full time on the civilian side.

 

As do the Guard/Reserve Military Police and Security Forces who are full time civilian LEO.  There are many civilian jobs that transition very well over to active duty and they are every bit as qualified if not more so that active duty counterparts.

 

Yeah, "One weekend a month, my azz."

 

And an honor to do it.


 

Originally Posted by earthmomma:

Would someone who knows for sure please quote the regulations for sending in the National Guard?  I know they have been used extensively in combat  overseas, but i thought they were supposed to be ordered to duty by the individual state authorities.  Look those American kids in the eye and tell them where daddy or mommy  is going.

 

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DoD  notifies the NG Bureau, which notifies the individual state governors and national guards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are specialized units such as the engineer construction battalions, medical battalions and chemical companies that would transition rather quickly.  However, to construction field hospitals -- either tent cites on wooden platforms or lumber frames with fly screen covers are the most likely types of medical facilities to be built.. To call up NG units and transition to full time usually takes much longer than active duty units.  Something missing here.

Originally Posted by earthmomma:

Would someone who knows for sure please quote the regulations for sending in the National Guard?  I know they have been used extensively in combat  overseas, but i thought they were supposed to be ordered to duty by the individual state authorities.  Look those American kids in the eye and tell them where daddy or mommy  is going.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903

http://www.straightdope.com/co...ng-fighting-overseas

Originally Posted by direstraits:

There are specialized units such as the engineer construction battalions, medical battalions and chemical companies that would transition rather quickly.  However, to construction field hospitals -- either tent cites on wooden platforms or lumber frames with fly screen covers are the most likely types of medical facilities to be built.. To call up NG units and transition to full time usually takes much longer than active duty units.  Something missing here.

 

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I don't think they're talking about tent cities from what I've read given the NG personnel they called up.  But yes, it takes a while to gin up the NG on short notice for certain ops; however, the Special Forces unit from Alabama was involved early on in Iraqi Freedom.  And I would like to point out that the ANG was part of the first strike force in Desert Storm and Guard/Reserve were well in place.  Then too, wasn't it a Marine reserve outfit from California that was on the tip of the spear entering Baghdad?  Before that, ANG fighter/bombers flying out of Turkey were engaged in SEAD/Wild Weasel during operation Northern Watch.

 

What's missing?

Last edited by budsfarm
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

There are specialized units such as the engineer construction battalions, medical battalions and chemical companies that would transition rather quickly.  However, to construction field hospitals -- either tent cites on wooden platforms or lumber frames with fly screen covers are the most likely types of medical facilities to be built.. To call up NG units and transition to full time usually takes much longer than active duty units.  Something missing here.

 

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I don't think they're talking about tent cities from what I've read given the NG personnel they called up.  But yes, it takes a while to gin up the NG on short notice for certain ops; however, the Special Forces unit from Alabama was involved early on in Iraqi Freedom.  And I would like to point out that the ANG was part of the first strike force in Desert Storm and Guard/Reserve were well in place.  Then too, wasn't it a Marine reserve outfit from California that was on the tip of the spear entering Baghdad?  Before that, ANG fighter/bombers flying out of Turkey were engaged in SEAD/Wild Weasel during operation Northern Watch.

 

What's missing?

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Why they are using NG, rather than active duty forces. 

 
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

There are specialized units such as the engineer construction battalions, medical battalions and chemical companies that would transition rather quickly.  However, to construction field hospitals -- either tent cites on wooden platforms or lumber frames with fly screen covers are the most likely types of medical facilities to be built.. To call up NG units and transition to full time usually takes much longer than active duty units.  Something missing here.

 

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I don't think they're talking about tent cities from what I've read given the NG personnel they called up.  But yes, it takes a while to gin up the NG on short notice for certain ops; however, the Special Forces unit from Alabama was involved early on in Iraqi Freedom.  And I would like to point out that the ANG was part of the first strike force in Desert Storm and Guard/Reserve were well in place.  Then too, wasn't it a Marine reserve outfit from California that was on the tip of the spear entering Baghdad?  Before that, ANG fighter/bombers flying out of Turkey were engaged in SEAD/Wild Weasel during operation Northern Watch.

 

What's missing?

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Why they are using NG, rather than active duty forces. 

 

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Why not?


I do agree we haven't got the full story, but I doubt the answer will be "because they are Guard."

 

I think it has to do with expertise ...  but that is only a guess.

 

The Regular service members have been deployed to death, too many have physical and mental service related problems. The only way to keep being the worlds police state is to reinstate the draft or use guards and reservists. No member of congress has got nerve enough to try to start the draft again. So the guards or reserves are used. The argument is, they joined,they asked for it, send them.

One more question, when I was drafted, there was a law explained to me. It was called, I think, The Sailors, Soldiers and Marines relief act. Basically, if you owed money, you could not be sued or have the property repossessed while in service. Is this still in place? Did it cover enlistees and drafted people? I hear in the news about service members losing stuff while deployed.

Originally Posted by unclegus:

From what I understand the DOD has been tasked to compose a team of 30 specialists to assist any hospital that may have an Ebola outbreak that will only work inside the US borders.

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That's a specialized team.  The president is deploying about 4,000 to Africa, Reportedly mostly NG, he explained it was because of the time factor.  It usually takes longer to deploy NG, than active duty. 

 

 
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

The Regular service members have been deployed to death, too many have physical and mental service related problems. The only way to keep being the worlds police state is to reinstate the draft or use guards and reservists. No member of congress has got nerve enough to try to start the draft again. So the guards or reserves are used. The argument is, they joined,they asked for it, send them.

One more question, when I was drafted, there was a law explained to me. It was called, I think, The Sailors, Soldiers and Marines relief act. Basically, if you owed money, you could not be sued or have the property repossessed while in service. Is this still in place? Did it cover enlistees and drafted people? I hear in the news about service members losing stuff while deployed.

 

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Yes.  In effect to cover Guard/Reserve as well.  It's been a while, like 20 years, when I had a loan and something about the interest being suspended when I was activated for overseas duty.  Rather than do all the computations, they just knocked off some payments.

 

Far as sending the Guard, it was the reason I joined.  Twice.  As I said before, anyone joining the Guard during the past 23 years had to know that active duty deployment was going to be part of their enlistment.

 

It doesn't take nearly as long to deploy the Guard as it once did - say in late 1990.  Since then, my unit kept their bags packed and deployment paperwork and medical checkups up-to-date.  Had Operational Readiness Inspections/Evals routinely by active duty personnel.  Never will forget that series of six anthrax shots.  First ones were cold serum.

 

Last edited by budsfarm
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

The Regular service members have been deployed to death, too many have physical and mental service related problems. The only way to keep being the worlds police state is to reinstate the draft or use guards and reservists. No member of congress has got nerve enough to try to start the draft again. So the guards or reserves are used. The argument is, they joined,they asked for it, send them.

 

There were recent severe cuts in the active duty forces -- some NCOs and officers received notices of dismissal while deployed.  Republicans stated they would vote for funds to delay the cuts, but no deal by the WH.If, you really believe the US is a police state, please defect immediately -- I would suggest North Korea, Iran, Cuba, China or Russia.   

 

One more question, when I was drafted, there was a law explained to me. It was called, I think, The Sailors, Soldiers and Marines relief act. Basically, if you owed money, you could not be sued or have the property repossessed while in service. Is this still in place? Did it cover enlistees and drafted people? I hear in the news about service members losing stuff while deployed.

 

Still in effect, for active duty and NG and Reservists call to active duty.  In 2003, amended make things easier for the troops such as rental leases.

If, you really believe the US is a police state, please defect immediately -- I would suggest North Korea, Iran, Cuba, China or Russia.   

How many nations have troops in as many different nations as the US? All the while telling those nations how they should conduct their affairs.

That's what I called "police" nation of the world.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

If, you really believe the US is a police state, please defect immediately -- I would suggest North Korea, Iran, Cuba, China or Russia.   

How many nations have troops in as many different nations as the US? All the while telling those nations how they should conduct their affairs.

That's what I called "police" nation of the world.

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So, you can discern the difference between police state and police nation.  Actually, we're more like the world sheriff -- most of the work is done with a posse.  Many of those nations listed as having US troops are small 12-man teams, hardly an imperial presence.

The goals of the US, set by Democrat and Republican administrations, have been, in the main, successful.  The expansion of Soviet power into western Europe was thwarted.  Another global conflict as disastrous as WWII has not happened. 

 

Truman founded NATO and Eisenhower solidified its foundation.  The lives of tens of millions of French, Italians, those in the BENELUX, Spaniards, Brits and Scandinavians were spared the twin horrors of war and extermination camps.   Actual armed combat, such as Korea, performed successfully, spared tens of thousands of South Koreans the same fate.  And, nurtured a modern democracy unlike their poor northern brethren.  The Vietnamese effort was not as successful – resulting in about 990,000 successfully feeling for the lives, thousands drowning in the attempt and about 737,000 exterminated in death camps

 

So, while a mixed bag, the world would be much worse, but for it. 

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