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President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he’s directing the U.S. military to secure the U.S.-Mexico border in lieu, for now, of a border wall.

“We’re going to be doing things militarily until we can have a wall and proper security.” Trump said.

Trump’s comments came as he sat next to Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, who was reportedly at the White House for discussions around immigration. However, a defense official who spoke on the condition of anonymity had no immediate details as to how many troops would be used, or what authorities they would have.

Speaking later in the day, Trump indicated Mattis would be part of an afternoon meeting to figure out how to address the ”horrible, horrible, very unsafe laws” for the border with Mexico.

The defense official noted one option could be similar to the 2006-2008 patrols U.S. military personnel conducted under Operation Jump Start.

 

In that operation, President George W. Bush called for up to 6,000 National Guard members to secure parts of the border. Eventually 29,000 military personnel from all over the country were involved in the mission, which had a projected cost of around $1.2 billion in then-year dollars.

In 2012, President Barack Obama deployed Army forces from Ft. Bliss to the Tucson, Arizona and El Paso, Texas areas for Operation Nimbus, a joint operation between U.S. Northern Command and Customs and Border Patrol.

Per an Army press release at the time, military forces conducted “day and night reconnaissance missions using the Long Range Advanced Scout Surveillance System to detect, recognize, identify and geo-locate possible incursions, which they would then report to Border Patrol agents. Avenger Soldiers, using the Forward Looking Infrared system, and Soldiers monitoring Sentinel radar, also augmented border air incursion detection efforts.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/...rd-us-mexico-border/

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I'm pretty sure it's illegal for the US Military to patrol or police the US borders from the inside and I'm reasonably sure the US Military can't be used to enforce "Domestic Law'. 

The Coast Guard is exempt from the current laws. Perhaps Trump could send them up the Rio Grande? Ha!


This is nothing but more BS from Trump to keep his base stirred up.

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I'll say it again;

I'm pretty sure it's legal for the US Military to patrol or police the US borders

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Myth #1 The US Constitution prohibits posting US troops on the border.

The US Constitution says no such thing.  In fact, Article IV states:        

Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.    

So the US Constitution clearly requires the federal government to protect states from invasion.  Almost a million aliens illegally pouring across the border into states each year is clearly an invasion.      

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878 by President Rutherford B. Hayes. The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States. It was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction, and was subsequently updated in 1956 and 1981.

In 2008, these changes in the Insurrection Act of 1807 were repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act.

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ConspiracyKrow doesn't have the intelligence to know when he's wrong. Poor little idiot.

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The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878 by President Rutherford B. Hayes. The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States. It was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction, and was subsequently updated in 1956 and 1981.

The Act only specifically applies to the United States Army and, as amended in 1956, the United States Air Force. While the Act does not explicitly mention the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps, the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the Act force with respect to those services as well. The Act does not apply to the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act either, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission.

The title of the act comes from the legal concept of posse comitatus, the authority under which a county sheriff, or other law officer, conscripts any able-bodied man to assist her or him in keeping the peace.

The National Guard will cost a fortune to keep on our border and I mention, in my first post, the Coast Guard is not covered. Republicans keep spending money on stupid ideas. Republicans are destroying themselves and don't have enough sense to see it. So much for those physically conservative Republicans. They've lost all credibility. I've seen drunken sailors, on s**** leave, with more control that today's Republicans.

Kraven posted:

I'll say it again;

I'm pretty sure it's legal for the US Military to patrol or police the US borders

------------------------------

Myth #1 The US Constitution prohibits posting US troops on the border.

The US Constitution says no such thing.  In fact, Article IV states:        

Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.    

So the US Constitution clearly requires the federal government to protect states from invasion.  Almost a million aliens illegally pouring across the border into states each year is clearly an invasion.      

Of six proclamations states made considering session, I've read, five only listed slavery.  Texas included slavery, but lack of protection from the federal government of outside invaders was their other reason.  That included banditti (their word) from the south, renegades from the Oklahoma territory and raiders from Missouri.  

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03...bama-bush/index.html

2006: In a national address, President George W. Bush announces plans to deploy 6,000 troops

Name: Operation Jump Start
When it happened: June 2006-July 2008
Who was deployed: 6,000 National Guard troops deployed to California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.
Assists with undocumented immigrant apprehensions: 186,814 (11.7% of the total apprehensions on the Southwest land border in that period)
Assists with drug seizures: 316,364 pounds of marijuana (9.4% of all marijuana seized on the Southwest border in that period)

2010: President Obama orders the deployment of up to 1,200 troops to the US-Mexico border

Name: Operation Phalanx
When it happened: Initially from July 2010-June 30, 2011, then extended
Cost: $110 million for the first year
Who was deployed: Initially 1,200 National Guard troops. In 2012, the number of troops was scaled back as the focus shifted from boots on the ground to aerial surveillance.
Assists with undocumented immigrant apprehensions: 17,887 in the first 11 months (5.9% of the total apprehensions on the Southwest land border in that period)
Assists with drug seizures: 56,342 pounds of marijuana in the first 11 months (2.6% of all marijuana seized on the Southwest border in that period)
That was help in the right direction but you just can't stop with
the safe guard already in place, the rats never stop nor should
we stop.   
 
When this country is just another image of Germany, France or
Europe as a whole, all the different opinions and mud slinging
won't mean squat to whatever side you're on.

Cost of an open border:

Drugs continue to pour into the country from numerous sources despite the efforts of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), law enforcement agencies, border patrols, and the United States government. Illegal drug abuse costs American society $181 billion a year in health care costs, lost workplace productivity, law enforcement, and legal costs.[3] Prisons are overflowing with drug-related offenders, as 330,000 prison inmates in 2012 were incarcerated for drug offenses.[4] Over 30 percent of all offenses in 2013 were related to drug trafficking, and 22,215 cases of drug trafficking were reported to the United States Sentencing Commission in the 2013 fiscal year.[5]

https://www.therecoveryvillage...by-the-numbers/#gref

I think spending a few billion bucks on the border for enough trained eyes to make a good dent in the drug trade would be dirt cheap compared to what we have now.

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