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Originally Posted by Contendah:

Uh, WoolyBugger, tell us if those boxer shorts on your spastic icon are an approved Mormon undergarment. The do not seem to be anything like the ones shown here:

 

http://toddanthonydirect.typep...-unmentionables.html

 

Unofficial information:  http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/barbie/

 

Also, Bugger, can you explain why Utah, the state with by far the largest percentage of Mormons, is the state with the highest incidence of subscription to p ornography web sites?

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Business/story?id=6977202&page=1

 

"A new nationwide study (pdf) of anonymised credit-card receipts from a major online adult entertainment provider finds little variation in consumption between states.

"When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different," says Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School.

 

However, there are some trends to be seen in the data. Those states that do consume the most **** tend to be more conservative and religious than states with lower levels of consumption, the study finds."

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"The biggest consumer, Utah, averaged 5.47 adult content subscriptions per 1000 home broadband users; Montana bought the least with 1.92 per 1000."

 

 


Dont know what any of that has to do with me. People make choices. People of all religions. No one in any church is perfect, that is why they go to church. Also, Satan works hardest where truth can be found!

quote:  Originally Posted by Dwight WoolyBugger:
quote: Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Dwight,   Just curious.  Is there a reason you like avatars which show young boys and young men -- dancing in their skivvies?   As I said, just curious.  Bill

BILL< you see what you want to see, The first avtar was a BABY in a diaper, this one is a young black man in WHITE SHORTS. Now tell me Bill, why do you always see men and young boys in their underwear in the avatars?????

Hi Dwight,

 

My Friend, they are YOUR AVATARS -- so, I have no need to explain them.   If young children in diapers and young men in shorts are YOUR THING; so be it.  

 

As the old 1970s song said, "It's yo thing, do what you gotta do!"

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by Dwight WoolyBugger:
quote: Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Dwight,   Just curious.  Is there a reason you like avatars which show young boys and young men -- dancing in their skivvies?   As I said, just curious.  Bill

BILL< you see what you want to see, The first avtar was a BABY in a diaper, this one is a young black man in WHITE SHORTS. Now tell me Bill, why do you always see men and young boys in their underwear in the avatars?????

Hi Dwight,

 

My Friend, they are YOUR AVATARS -- so, I have no need to explain them.   If young children in diapers and young men in shorts are YOUR THING; so be it.  

 

As the old 1970s song said, "It's yo thing, do what you gotta do!"

 

Bill

One two three , twist,  one two three, step,  Hmm, doin the  Fundy two step I see!

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Hi all,

 

Just a point of interest:  In the 1980s, I had a friend and co-worker in Maryland.  We were Regional Sales Managers (he in Maryland, me in California) for the same computer company.   Before coming to the company we were working for at that time, he worked for a large company based in Utah.  My friend was Roman Catholic; so, I was shocked when he told me that the big Utah company he had worked for -- made tithing to the Mormon church a condition, i.e., stipulation, for getting the job.  He had a choice -- give 10% of his income to the Mormon church, even though he was Roman Catholic -- or no job.  Since it was a very good job, he agreed.

 

Now, before Jennifer, et al, jumps in with a, "That's what all churches do!" comment -- no, I have NEVER had a church, pastor, or anyone tell me that I must tithe.  In my younger life, when I was in the Roman Catholic church for a number of years -- we had to make a pledge to tithe 10% and were given a box of tithing envelopes we were expected to use.  But, my job was never a condition of doing this -- only my relationship with the priest and the local parish.

 

So, Dwight, how do you explain about the Mormon church and its forced tithing?   And, yes, this is true.  My friend, if anything, was an honest man and would not have lied about that or anything else.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

First of all bill I have no way of knowing if your story is even true. I can say it's not unusual to hear of something like that seeing as how people that didn't go to church were refused jobs and other things by, yes, all denominations, and from what some say that still goes on to this day. You have read the things RP posted about that haven't you? And it's not only the Mormons.

quote:   Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:
quote:  Originally Posted by BFred07:
The part of him being "judged as belonging to cult" is because the fact is that lds is a cult, they do not follow the Bible but prefer to follow what was written by Joseph Smith who was their founder and also a child molester who in 1832 was tarred and feathered by his own followers over two issues, one was a scam to rip them off out of their property and the other because the pervert was caught boi*k*ng the 15 year old daughter of the person who was boarding him.
Gosh fred, how about all the other preachers and church leaders caught boinking young girls AND boys? How about the ones having affairs with church members and killing their spouses? What about all the ones scamming people out of their money and land right now? It's a shame we can't tar and feather them. Fred, name one denomination that doesn't do that- yet they claim all the others are cults??? Odd.

Hi Jennifer,

 

And, what about all the atheists, secularists, and other non-believers doing the same?  All this tells us is that we are all human and subject to the same frailties and weaknesses.   However, the Christian believer does have one source of strength to lean upon that atheists do not -- the Holy Spirit, God.  

 

Does that mean that we will not, at times, fall?  No.  But, it does mean that we have a heavenly Father who will forgive us and lift us up again.  For the atheist -- all he/she can depend upon is this twisted society or themselves.  And, that is a very weak life support system.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,

 

Just a point of interest:  In the 1980s, I had a friend and co-worker in Maryland.  We were Regional Sales Managers (he in Maryland, me in California) for the same computer company.   Before coming to the company we were working for at that time, he worked for a large company based in Utah.  My friend was Roman Catholic; so, I was shocked when he told me that the big Utah company he had worked for -- made tithing to the Mormon church a condition, i.e., stipulation, for getting the job.  He had a choice -- give 10% of his income to the Mormon church, even though he was Roman Catholic -- or no job.  Since it was a very good job, he agreed.

 

Now, before Jennifer, et al, jumps in with a, "That's what all churches do!" comment -- no, I have NEVER had a church, pastor, or anyone tell me that I must tithe.  In my younger life, when I was in the Roman Catholic church for a number of years -- we had to make a pledge to tithe 10% and were given a box of tithing envelopes we were expected to use.  But, my job was never a condition of doing this -- only my relationship with the priest and the local parish.

 

So, Dwight, how do you explain about the Mormon church and its forced tithing?   And, yes, this is true.  My friend, if anything, was an honest man and would not have lied about that or anything else.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Second hand stories used for trying to make Mormons look bad. You are so gulliable mister!

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quote:  Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

 Try to keep up. That was directed at the Mormons and so of course I will ask what about the other "religious" groups. Funny that you would claim to be subject to frailties and weaknesses. Thought you had that covered, had "handed that over" so to speak.


Hi Jennifer,

 

Thank you for your comment.  Actually, yes -- ALL humans are frail and weak; we are all lost in our inherited Adamic sin nature.   And, until we either die or are raptured, we will still have that sin nature.  We cannot lose it in this mortal life. 

 

However, God has given us ALL a way to be saved in spite of this sin nature.  He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to pay the "sin debt" for all who will, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ -- accept His "paid in full" pardon which bought us out of "sin debt prison" and allows us to walk free with Him.  

 

But, the catch is that we must accept His blood purchased "free gift" of eternal life.  Like any gift -- if the person will not accept it -- he/she does not have the gift.   But, once you open the door of your heart, once you invite Him to come in and be your very best Friend -- you have that "free gift" of eternal life.  And, no one, not in heaven or on earth -- not Satan, not even yourself -- can snatch you out of His hands once you have become a child of God.  Once you are adopted into His Family -- you are eternally adopted.

 

But, in this mortal life, even though we have, as you put it "handed that over" to Him, we still are frail, weak humans.  But, we have a really BIG BROTHER, Jesus Christ, who will carry us on His broad shoulders when our path grows tough, when we grow weak -- He will lift us onto His shoulders and carry us.   Now, that, my Friend -- IS ETERNAL SECURITY!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:   Originally Posted by Dwight WoolyBugger:
quote:  Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,   Just a point of interest:  In the 1980s, I had a friend and co-worker in Maryland.  We were Regional Sales Managers (he in Maryland, me in California) for the same computer company.   Before coming to the company we were working for at that time, he worked for a large company based in Utah.  My friend was Roman Catholic; so, I was shocked when he told me that the big Utah company he had worked for -- made tithing to the Mormon church a condition, i.e., stipulation, for getting the job.  He had a choice -- give 10% of his income to the Mormon church, even though he was Roman Catholic -- or no job.  Since it was a very good job, he agreed.

 

Now, before Jennifer, et al, jumps in with a, "That's what all churches do!" comment -- no, I have NEVER had a church, pastor, or anyone tell me that I must tithe.  In my younger life, when I was in the Roman Catholic church for a number of years -- we had to make a pledge to tithe 10% and were given a box of tithing envelopes we were expected to use.  But, my job was never a condition of doing this -- only my relationship with the priest and the local parish.

 

So, Dwight, how do you explain about the Mormon church and its forced tithing?   And, yes, this is true.  My friend, if anything, was an honest man and would not have lied about that or anything else.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,   Bill

Second hand stories used for trying to make Mormons look bad. You are so gulliable (SIC) mister!

Hi Dwight,

 

No, my Friend, once again, you are wrong.  This man was a very close Friend, a personal Friend whom I knew very well of over 20 years.  He had no reason to lie.  He was telling the truth. 

 

The name of the company is Evans and Sutherland -- and they are/were a large manufacturer of computer graphics and CAD/CAM systems, headquartered in Salt Lake City. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Thank you for your comment.  Actually, yes -- ALL humans are frail and weak; we are all lost in our inherited Adamic sin nature.   And, until we either die or are raptured, we will still have that sin nature.  We cannot lose it in this mortal life. 

 

 

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Well bill, not me or my family. Sorry you and yours are lost in that sin. Maybe if you'd give atheism a try you'd see you don't have all that sin and extra baggage on you. Reach inside and free yourself.

What a nice direction this topic has gone, we have Bill talking about Wooly's avatar being kiddie **** (you were joking back and forth with Wooly, right? you weren't reall serious were you?) and then Bill & Best talking about weakness. First @ Bill, I have seen you write about the mormons before and you do have a lot of good information for anyone reading this that might be pondering the idea of making the big mistake of becoming a mormon but you sorta threw any credibility in this thread out the window because of the avatar comments.

@ Best, you say that "all denomitions" do the things that I had mentioned about the mormons but that's simply not true. There is not any main stream Protestent denomination that promotes, condones, or covers up anything of the sort of activities that I mentioned of the mormons and even the Catholic Church which might have covered up some disgusting acts by some of their priests does appear to be turning around the way they handle such issues. I also took it that you were refering to lds as a denomination but they are not, lds is NOT in any way a Chistian organization which is why I have a much bigger problem with both them and the jw's than I do with other false religions such as shinto, islam, buddhism, wicca, etc. At least the other ones when they made up a bunch of crap did not add Jesus as the son of God and say "BTW, in addition to all the other BS we are handing you we are also the true Chirstian Church" which is how the cult founders of the mormons & jw's were able to gather so many followers.

As for all this talk between Best & Bill about weakness, most of the dishonest and criminal element among Church members, Clergy, Deacons, Elders, etc has little to do with weakness. Sure there are times when somoene in a moment of weakness might give in to temptation but most of these people are more evil than weak. With the Church being a noble organization AND an organization that will accept anyone then it is easy to see why a crook might join a Church to gain credibility or a pervert might try and become a Church leader so that they can be in a trusted position around potential victims. Most Christians are a really good bunch of people (not perfect but still decent) but there are bad apples among us just as with any other group of people and unfortunatly, our Churches are a magnet for those wo have hidden agendas. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 

 Of course you have bad apples, ALL churches do, and in all positions in the churches. 

LOL, should that be taken like it sounds? You think all Churches have bad apples in every position? Like as in since a Church only has one preacher that all preachers are bad apples? All boards of elders/deacons have bad apples? Every congregation has bad apples?

Just wondering if that's really where you stand or if your post was misunderstood.

With the Church being a noble organization AND an organization that will accept anyone then it is easy to see why a crook might join a Church to gain credibility or a pervert might try and become a Church leader so that they can be in a trusted position around potential victims. Most Christians are a really good bunch of people (not perfect but still decent) but there are bad apples among us just as with any other group of people

 

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Bad apples in all churches/denominations, bad apples no matter what position, rank or place, or whatever, they hold in a church. I don't think it's only someone that has joined to gain credibility. I don't think they're weak when they do the things they do either. Their victims are the weak ones, when there are victims, such as the children being molested. As far as not condoning the actions, I bet you could find plenty that disagree. You can read all sorts of accounts of crimes committed within a church (again all denominations) and the church "hushes it up", or turns it around on the victim. Yes I think of the lds as a church. But again I could call it a cult, because I believe they're all cults. That's why when bill or bettern-nun get going on them I say I'm watching the "my cult is better than your cult" wars.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

With the Church being a noble organization AND an organization that will accept anyone then it is easy to see why a crook might join a Church to gain credibility or a pervert might try and become a Church leader so that they can be in a trusted position around potential victims. Most Christians are a really good bunch of people (not perfect but still decent) but there are bad apples among us just as with any other group of people

 

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Bad apples in all churches/denominations, bad apples no matter what position, rank or place, or whatever, they hold in a church. I don't think it's only someone that has joined to gain credibility. I don't think they're weak when they do the things they do either. Their victims are the weak ones, when there are victims, such as the children being molested. As far as not condoning the actions, I bet you could find plenty that disagree. You can read all sorts of accounts of crimes committed within a church (again all denominations) and the church "hushes it up", or turns it around on the victim. Yes I think of the lds as a church. But again I could call it a cult, because I believe they're all cults. That's why when bill or bettern-nun get going on them I say I'm watching the "my cult is better than your cult" wars.


As I had already said, you will not find a modern account of any main stream Protestant denomination that advocates, condones, or covers up any such things, I had already said that of course you might find where leadership in a single congregation has done wrong by doing those things but not at the core of any denomination.

As for my other question, I am still not clear. Are you saying that in every Church that every position only has "bad apples"?

 Fred, I think you do understand what I posted. No matter the denomination, you will find bad apples, in all areas of churches- pastor, preacher, priest, deacon, elder, member, no matter what you call them. No denomination is immune to anything. Not all the churches "do the right thing" when it comes to handling those "crimes, incidents, oops, misdeeds", whatever you want to call it, when it happens to them. Once more fred, you will find coverups in all the denominations. That coverup could take a lot of forms, payoffs, transferring the offender if he holds a "higher position", demeaning the accuser to the point they just give up and drop it, or in some cases I've heard, even go as far as to threaten the victim and their family. Unless your denomination has a spotless record there is no way you can say squat to another, and once more, I don't know of any that do have that spotless record.

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Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by WoolyBugger:
 
 
 

 

Over the past 36 years I have heard it over and over. If you asked them if they prayed to GOD for an answer if it is true or false, they say they dont have to pray about it because it is true. I pray to GOD to know the truth of everything. Satan teaches all people not to pray and that it isnt necessary.
over the years I have gone to and read the Anti Mormon sites and also, the teachings of the Mormon church. I have done as it tells in the Bible in James 1:5-6 and received answers to my prayers about much of the stuff.  I know Joseph Smithb was a TRUE Prophet of GOD that JESUS CHRIST used to restore His true Organization through and gave him His POWER and AUTHORITY to perform the SAVING ORDINANCES for the people of this earth. That is why so many lies out there, Satan doesn't want the people to know these truths so he can prevent them from RETURNING to the presence of our Heavenly Father.

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Pretty weak, Bugger. It must be nice to have a convenient refuge to which to run when you can't refute the huge body of well documented TRUTH that knowledgeable and scholarly ex-Mormons and others have made public.  Your appeal to James 1:5 & 6 is based on a fundamentally flawed interpretation of that passage.  The "wisdom" of James 5 is not factual knowledge.  Wisdom is the proper use of knowledge, not the acquisition of knowledge. James 1:5 is not some divine encyclopedia ready to reveal anything and everything to some Mormon who is too lazy to do his own research on facts that might arise in disputes over such things as Mormon history.  If Joseph Smith or Brigham Young or some other high-ranking Mormon dignitary made some outrageous false claim or false prophecy  and put it in writing and it is PROVEN on its face or by scholarly research from Mormon sources that they did so, God is not going to tell you that they did not write such stuff. Your emotions might inform you to the effect that your perceptions are correct in such matters, but God won't, Bugger, because He does not operate in the convenient way you allege.  Your cheap, silly, cowardly way of dodging the issues by using James 1:5&6 and the Holy Spirit to attempt to bluff your way past truths you can not refute is convincing evidence that you simply can not offer a valid defense of your belief system.

 

Parley P. Pratt was a highly-respected Mormon "apostle," and he wrote this prophecy in a Mormon publication, "Zion's Watchman," in 1838:

 

"...all who will not hearken to the Book of Mormon, shall be cut off from among the people; and that too, in the day it comes forth to the Gentiles and is rejected by them... the remnant of Jacob [i. e. American Indians and certain Mormons] will go through among the Gentiles and tear them in pieces. like a lion among the flocks of sheep. Their hand shall be lifted up upon their adversaries, and all their enemies shall be cut off. This destruction includes an utter overthrow, and desolation of all our Cities, Forts, and Strong Holds -- an entire annihilation of our race, except such as embrace the Covenant, and are numbered with Israel... and I will state as a prophesy, that there will not be an unbelieving Gentile upon this continent 50 years hence; and if they are not greatly scourged, and in a great measure overthrown, within five or ten years from this date, then the Book of Mormon will have proved itself false."

 

None of that prophecy came true, Bugger, except the last part:  "if they are not greatly scourged, and in a great measure overthrown, then the Book of Mormon will have proved itself false." No such misfortune as Pratt prattled about has overcome the "Gentiles," Bugger; therefore, according to "Apostle" Pratt, "the Book of Mormon [has] proved itself false."

Pray about this one, Bugger and then tell us  what God says to you about this notable Mormon false prophet and bogus apostle, Parley P.Pratt!  I confidently predict that God will not endorse Pratt's prattling!

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 Fred, I think you do understand what I posted. No matter the denomination, you will find bad apples, in all areas of churches- pastor, preacher, priest, deacon, elder, member, no matter what you call them. No denomination is immune to anything. Not all the churches "do the right thing" when it comes to handling those "crimes, incidents, oops, misdeeds", whatever you want to call it, when it happens to them. Once more fred, you will find coverups in all the denominations. That coverup could take a lot of forms, payoffs, transferring the offender if he holds a "higher position", demeaning the accuser to the point they just give up and drop it, or in some cases I've heard, even go as far as to threaten the victim and their family. Unless your denomination has a spotless record there is no way you can say squat to another, and once more, I don't know of any that do have that spotless record.

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I was not clear of what you were saying because when speaking of the bad apples you said "ALL Churces have them" and you said "in ALL positions in the Churches" This made me think that you might be including every preacher at every Church and every board of elders at every Church and the members too so thanks for clearing that up. I would say that most congregations have at least one "bad apple" and of course sometimes you can find where one has slithered their way into the pulpit or become a deacon but that's rare. I did not disagree that there may have been leadership with a congegation who might have done something wrong or covered something up, what I said is that you will not find where the denomination as a whole has done any such thing, for example: there might be a time when one of the several hundred Southern Baptist Churches in the State of Alabama has misbehaved by covering something up but you can be assured that the Southern Baptist Convention would not condone any wrongdoing by a member Church and would take appropriate action if they found out. The same could also be said for any of the UMC Churches and that if the Coucil of Bishops were to learn of behavior by a minister or Church as a whole that isn't consistant with UMS Doctrine then they would not try to cover it up but would take action. I believe that both have a spotless record if dealing with unacceptable behavior from Church leaders.

Excellent question Jank, I too would like to know that answer so hopefully he can provide us with an answer.  In addition Wooly, doesn't Jeffs claim to be a Prophet of the LDS Church?  Is this just a claim of his or a claim of the church?  Also of the prophets that the LDS church does name or say exist today how do they come about that designation?

 

Lastly the group that is on that show "Sister Wives" is that the same as the LDS Church and are they abiding by the LDS teachings or are they and Jeff's in the same section of the Church?  IF that is the answer then how many various LDS groups or sections are there?

 

Please answer Jank's question before tackling mine which adds onto her question as she did ask first.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Wooly,

Is there any difference in your church and Warren Jeffs religion? I know I have heard they are different but I don't understand what that difference is.

Thank you for your response.

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I was curious about that too because Jeffs often called himself a Prophet.

I guess we'll never get an answer since Bill promised to report Wooly to the mods & got him banned. He's working on getting me banned too.

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Wooly,

Is there any difference in your church and Warren Jeffs religion? I know I have heard they are different but I don't understand what that difference is.

Thank you for your response.

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I was curious about that too because Jeffs often called himself a Prophet.

I guess we'll never get an answer since Bill promised to report Wooly to the mods & got him banned. He's working on getting me banned too.

 

Chick seeing how I have a choice who to respond too,I'll respond to you.

There is a huge difference. As big as difference as Bill's or Beternun's Church compared to the Roman Catholic Church or the Church of England. See Chart below.

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Although their Churches use the Holy Bible they all have different interpretations. There are many splits from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints including the Church of Christ and the Community of Christ. We in no way are the same except we all believe that Christ is the Son of God and Savior of the World.

I guess I missed all of the hoopla. Why did Dwight get banned and why does Bill want you Banned?

Skippy

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Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Wooly,

Is there any difference in your church and Warren Jeffs religion? I know I have heard they are different but I don't understand what that difference is.

Thank you for your response.

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I was curious about that too because Jeffs often called himself a Prophet.

I guess we'll never get an answer since Bill promised to report Wooly to the mods & got him banned. He's working on getting me banned too.

 

Chick seeing how I have a choice who to respond too,I'll respond to you.

There is a huge difference. As big as difference as Bill's or Beternun's Church compared to the Roman Catholic Church or the Church of England. See Chart below.

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Although their Churches use the Holy Bible they all have different interpretations. There are many splits from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints including the Church of Christ and the Community of Christ. We in no way are the same except we all believe that Christ is the Son of God and Savior of the World.

I guess I missed all of the hoopla. Why did Dwight get banned and why does Bill want you Banned?

Skippy

Am I reading your post right?  Are you actually saying that the Church of Christ split from and came out of the Mormons?  I have a different chart which I believe is a bit more accurate in referencing the Church of Christ:

 

 

I do believe the Puritans were here before Joseph Smith.  So did I read your information or your reply wrong or is there some clarification that you need to do?

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,

Dwight tells us, "The Book of Mormon is a second witness that Jesus is our Savior.  It also clarifies the Bible and puts back truths that men have changed in the Bible or removed from it."

Yet, the apostle Paul tells us, very clearly, in Galatians 1:6-9, "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a  different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the Gospel of Christ.  But even if we, or anangel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!  As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel  contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!"

So, here we have the apostle Paul, who clearly taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the known world for many years --  telling us that if ANYONE, even a false angel from heaven named Moroni, should preach a different gospel than the Gospel of Jesus  Christ which Paul taught -- let him be accursed.

Dwight, so much for your second witness, or second gospel.  Jesus Christ does not need a second gospel -- for the Gospel we read in the Bible, God's full revelation to mankind -- is very sufficient for man's salvation -- the purpose for the Gospel.

The Mormon church teaches a "different gospel" and is therefore a CULT religion.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Bill, do you think you could stop trying to show how wrong everyone else is  for a moment and let those who are interested in learning actually enjoy a discussion?  I'm not trying to be rude, but this was a thread about a person's beliefs, and I for one have a few sincere questions and am happy to learn something new.  You seriously don't have to prove anyone wrong...really!  This is a thread that simply lists when someone believes, and quoting your Scripture to prove you are right isn't necessary.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by frog:
 Bill, do you think you could stop trying to show how wrong everyone else is  for a moment and let those who are interested in learning actually enjoy a discussion?  I'm not trying to be rude, but this was a thread about a person's beliefs, and I for one have a few sincere questions and am happy to learn something new.  You seriously don't have to prove anyone wrong...really!  This is a thread that simply lists when someone believes, and quoting your Scripture to prove you are right isn't necessary.

 

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I couldn't have said it any better! I'm always happy to learn something new too. I would love to hear your questions. We might have some of the same ones.

I'm sure I missed this somewhere in all the posts, but I am curious...

 

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion ( the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American Continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth;

 

What exactly does this mean?  Is this to be a place called by those names?  Would Christ reign personally in just those areas that accept his leadership?  I am ignorant on your beliefs and appreciate your clarifying...this is interesting!

 

I probably missed this as well and appreciate your patience, but why are all the pictures you showed us of older white males?  Are women allowed to be apostles?  I noticed that because of the Catholic church and how I remember how hurt I was that I couldn't be an altar boy even though I was allowed to lead and read, sing, organize the Mass, and of course clean the church...(roll eyes).  And not having women popes sucked to me as well...lol.  

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I don't know for a fact that it's true but I've heard & read many times over the years that Joseph Smith was the founder of the Church of Christ in 1830.

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He briefly used that name, but he consistently taught many things that are entirely contrary to what the New Testament teaches about the church that Jesus Christ established.  Smith's theology teaches, and has long taught, many things that are wildly at variance with what is taught in the Churches of Christ of today.  Indeed, Smith's theology has much in it that is at variance with what is taught in ANY other churches of our time, owing to the unholy influence of the bogus scriptures employed by Mormons and the revelations falsely claimed by their false prophets.  

 

"Church of Christ" is a Biblical name that can be appropriated by anyone.  It is not copyrighted.  It is often used as a generic form to subsume all churches within the broad framework of Christianity.  Example from William Butler Yeats' poem. "The Ghost of Roger Casement":

 

"John Bull has stood for Parliament,
A dog must have his day,
The country thinks no end of him,
For he knows how to say,
At a beanfeast or a banquet,
That all must hang their trust
Upon the British Empire,
Upon the Church of Christ.
The ghost of Roger Casement
Is beating on the door."


http://www.ruthgroup.org/2011/...t-of-roger-casement/


Yeats' reference was apparently to the church he knew, namely the Church of England, which is Anglican.

Contendah,

sounds like your getting slammed to the mat. Question, what the heck are you talking about?

"He briefly used his name". He who? Briefly used his name? Who is his? Could it be Joseph Smith? Clearify man, clearify! Was Joseph Smith the founder of YOUR CHURCH?

That makes your Church Cult?

Just Currious. Plus I like to rattle your chains.

Skippy

I remember when I went to Catholic school as a kid some of the kids trying to see what was under there as they went up the stairs. Of course they were promptly rapped with rulers...lol

 

 

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Some swear there is nothing in this world meaner than a nun.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I remember when I went to Catholic school as a kid some of the kids trying to see what was under there as they went up the stairs. Of course they were promptly rapped with rulers...lol

 

 

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Some swear there is nothing in this world meaner than a nun.


Well, I went to Catholic school from 1-8th grades, and I would say I had a couple of marvelous ones, including one who pulled me aside and told me never to pretend not to know an answer just to fit in.  She told me to learn and reach for more and never to settle for trying to be like anyone else, since I have to live with who I am.  I have remembered that since first grade and I thank her for it.

 

On the other hand, another the same year was the one who was convinced I was lying and called me liar while beating my hands with her ruler.  I could give examples of nice and truly cruel, but  you get the point I think.  Nuns come in hateful, nasty, spiteful versions and sometimes they were  awesome too, just as any other group of people.  I like to think the few nuns left in this country don't use rulers on kids any more..lol.  

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