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Yippeeeee!  We get to pay higher energy bills for absolutely nothing simply because some yahoos created bogus computer models.  Yippeeeee!   Hundreds of good paying jobs will be lost.  Yippeeee!  Colbert has been running at much less than 50% capacity for the last few years and there has been no positive change in our air quality. 

 

How many idiots does it take to kill the American economy?  About 51% of our voting population.

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

China and India will gladly buy up all our coal deposits to give themselves even more of a competitive edge over our mfg sectors.  We'll just pretend the no peeing zone in the pool is a real thing. 

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Fine. Then you can take a vacation to China and see just what happens when coal is burned with insufficient environmental controls.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...china_n_4134226.html

 

 

It's all those old steam plants that they've been holding together with duck tape and baling wire that have kept us from having Summer brown outs.

 

Let O'Bama close all the power plants and factories using coal in the U.S. and see where we stand.

 

What is he going to do to power all the home air conditioning and electric cars?  Use windmills when there's no wind in the Summer months?

 

All O'Bama's going to do is raise the cost of utilities out of sight--as if we have any money leftover after he's completely destroyed the healthcare system.

It's fortunate that there is a lot of private land with gas deposits underneath so that the drilling regulations are simpler. It is also a good thing that combined cycle gas turbine plants are relatively cheap and quick to build. If only Obama crony-capitalist Jeffrey Immelt of GE would market coal fired boilers; coal would be viable fuel, with proper scrubbers of course. Anyway, we are better off than the Germans who are on a "greener" path.

 

The high use of renewable energy in eastern Germany driven by government green energy policies is  causing instability to its own electric grid as well as to neighboring countries, resulting in industrial companies having to purchase generators and emergency back-up systems rather than face replacing equipment damaged during disruptions of service. Electricity bills are also expected to go up by 10 percent this year. With residential electricity prices in Germany already about 3 times higher than prices in the United States and increasing further, it is no wonder that 800,000 German households can’t afford their electricity bills.

 

The German government recently cut its 2013 growth expectations to 0.4 percent from an earlier estimate of 1 percent. Germany was prospering in 2011 with growth at 3 percent, but it dropped to 0.7 percent in 2012. While the European economy as a whole and the switch to the Euro has affected Germany, one wonders how much the country’s energy program is contributing. Perhaps, the United States should use the German experience as a warning regarding the right choice of energy policy. 

http://www.instituteforenergyr...zing-electric-grids/

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

China and India will gladly buy up all our coal deposits to give themselves even more of a competitive edge over our mfg sectors.  We'll just pretend the no peeing zone in the pool is a real thing. 

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Fine. Then you can take a vacation to China and see just what happens when coal is burned with insufficient environmental controls.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...china_n_4134226.html


That was the point of my post.  We have pollution controls and a heavy supply of coal.  We shut our plants down and sell the coal to countries with no pollution control.  The greenbeans are happy and the planet suffers. 

 

 

Originally Posted by teyates:

WOnder how many Union employees who worked at these plants voted for Obozo and his administration, and now wonder why they are without a job?

 

Obama TV ad features miner praising his work on coal issues


LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama launched a new TV ad in the Kentucky cities of Lexington and Bowling Green recently that features an Illinois miner praising the candidate for his work on coal issues.

"He came to southern Illinois and seen the devastation and the loss of the jobs in the coal industry," said Randy Henry, who is identified as a miner for 31 years. "Washington, D.C., is not listening to us. Barack understands it."

The commercial highlights Obama's key accomplishment as pushing a provision in 2007 to provide $200 million for clean coal technology.

The proposal - sponsored by Obama and four others, including Kentucky Republican U.S. Sen. Jim Bunning - was passed unanimously as an amendment to the 2008 budget resolution. This is Obama's second commercial in Kentucky, which holds its primary election on May 20.

His primary opponent, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, began running her first commercial spotlighting her health care plans late last week. Clinton also prominently mentioned coal in her speech to Kentucky Democrats in Louisville.

"We're sitting on a huge natural resource," she said, before pledging to invest more federal funds in sequestering carbon dioxide from coal power plants. The Republican National Committee, however, criticized Obama's energy policy for restricting job growth in the coal industry.

"Barack Obama is telling Kentucky voters he 'understands' coal, but fails to mention that he has proposed taxing coal, voted against coal-to-liquid legislation and that his own energy policy would restrict the growth of Kentucky's coal industry," said RNC spokeswoman Katie Wright in a statement.

Obama's campaign dismissed the GOP group as trying to distract voters with "misleading statements," noting that he worked with Bunning on the coal-to-liquid issue.

 

Lexington, Herald-Leader

Originally Posted by direstraits:

Fracking and the new much cheaper supply of natural gas is the reason for closing the coal fired plants.  TVA can produce or buy electricity generated by NG much cheaper than that generated by coal.  Move to Atlanta and pay Georgia Power's prices, then one can complain about the local prices. 

 


Exactly!

As a matter of fact they have not said what their intentions are to do with the plant. they may let it sit idle for the future if the energy supply were to change.

 I don't think this was an Obama initiated act, they have been fighting with environmental groups long before Obama was thought about being president! 

The Colbert gas plant may run 1 day/year, if lucky.  It's not a combined cycle plant and is very inefficient and expensive and only used on days with extremely high power demand.  7 employees is all that's needed when you very rarely generate any power.  The coal plant, on the other hand, generated enough power to pay its employees a good living and provide cheap and reliable power. 

 

75% of a fossil plant overhead is fuel cost.  The rest is O&M with labor cost being the smallest part.  No, eliminating good paying jobs is not going to help TVA bottom line.

 

Colbert's demise is a combination of natural gas prices and over/uncertain regulation by the EPA.  Half of that combination would have not been a factor if we had a republican in the oval office.  Bush laxed the rules on coal plants to keep them competitive, Obama undid everything.

Once again, bs being spread by those who have no clue.  Those 150 includes everyone including management, floor sweepers and so forth.  Not that many are actually those who produce electricity.  Those of us who were asked by the union to vote for Odumber, went against the union and didn't vote for him.  So saying that comment is untrue there teyates.  The plant is closing due to the new EPA regualtions and the green tree huggers.  The Sierra club was hoping to get a nice multi billion dollar settlement out of this but instead they chose to just shut the plants down.

Back in 69 or 70 those jet engines on a concrete slab were designed to burn coal dust. kero or NG.

There were 8 of them at that time. Somebody must have stolen one or somebody runs two of them.

I was a principle on the installation. There were Skoal can lids embedded in the concrete on center-line at the front. I wonder who done that?

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:

The Colbert gas plant may run 1 day/year, if lucky.  It's not a combined cycle plant and is very inefficient and expensive and only used on days with extremely high power demand.  7 employees is all that's needed when you very rarely generate any power.  The coal plant, on the other hand, generated enough power to pay its employees a good living and provide cheap and reliable power. 

 

75% of a fossil plant overhead is fuel cost.  The rest is O&M with labor cost being the smallest part.  No, eliminating good paying jobs is not going to help TVA bottom line.

 

Colbert's demise is a combination of natural gas prices and over/uncertain regulation by the EPA.  Half of that combination would have not been a factor if we had a republican in the oval office.  Bush laxed the rules on coal plants to keep them competitive, Obama undid everything.

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Combined cycle plants, however, run with considerably fewer employees than coal-fired units require.

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

http://www.al.com/business/ind...aper_unveils_mu.html

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IP is expanding their operations at a small plant in Coosa, GA.  However, I see no info that the Courtland equipment is being moved to Coosa. Nor, what the product line will be.  There is a continuing market for coated paper such as that used for magazines and even medium grade printer paper.

 

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Concerning TVA closing coal plants.  Check the political pull at each site.  Keep in mind that the man overseeing these closings was fired from his last job.  TVA recruits the best people they can get.

 


 

People within TVA knew this was going to happen ever since Obama tightened the rules on coal plants; long before the new CEO took over.  This is not a recent revelation.

Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Concerning TVA closing coal plants.  Check the political pull at each site.  Keep in mind that the man overseeing these closings was fired from his last job.  TVA recruits the best people they can get.

 


 

People within TVA knew this was going to happen ever since Obama tightened the rules on coal plants; long before the new CEO took over.  This is not a recent revelation.

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Barack Obama was a baby (literally) when TVA started the program to replace coal with nuclear, so he must have been a helluva smart kid.

This trend will continue however because it is the smart thing to do. Here is something else TVA is considering:

http://www.timesfreepress.com/...or-nuclear-reactors/

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Concerning TVA closing coal plants.  Check the political pull at each site.  Keep in mind that the man overseeing these closings was fired from his last job.  TVA recruits the best people they can get.

 


 

People within TVA knew this was going to happen ever since Obama tightened the rules on coal plants; long before the new CEO took over.  This is not a recent revelation.

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Barack Obama was a baby (literally) when TVA started the program to replace coal with nuclear, so he must have been a helluva smart kid.

This trend will continue however because it is the smart thing to do. Here is something else TVA is considering:

http://www.timesfreepress.com/...or-nuclear-reactors/


TVA was spending money on it's coal plants when Bush was in office, hundreds of millions of dollars at Colbert alone in upgrades in the last 10 years.  As soon as BO took office, the money stopped flowing.  I think you know the truth, you just don't want to admit you're wrong.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Stanky:

Considering Browns Ferry is causing people to smoke more and eat fatty foods, I don't think the "tree-huggers" will allow nuclear either.

 

http://www.bredl.org/press/201...LEASE_BFN_Report.pdf

I got an email from those yahoos a while back.  It included a letter to the NRC to force Browns Ferry to mark its radiation with a bright orange marker dye.  A most ignorant group of people.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Hooberbloob, that post may not be correct.  Didn't it say that there was a 21% higher death rate downwind from Browns Ferry Nuclear Plant.  I'm pretty sure that it's a 100% near it or far from it.  I'm also pretty sure that there was not hundreds of millions of dollars of improvements at Colbert Steam Plant.  


The SCR  on U-5 cost around 100 million alone.
New precipitators on U-5 was around 40 million.

New burner management systems on U-1 thru 5 was at least 50 million.

New startup system for U-5 was several million.

Replacement of pneumatic dampers drives with new Beck drives several million

Control room upgrades was several million on all 5 units

New CEM shelter and components was probably close to a million.

 

That's just what I can think of off the top of my head that was done a few years before BO took office.

 

If you believe anything in that report, then you need to have your head checked.

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