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As London decays into the most violent city in Europe, the police instruct rape victims to not harm their attackers.  Once more to my Scottish ancestors -- thank you for getting on that creaky wooden sailing ship and heading for Virginia.  And, to their descendents, for kicking George III and his gun grabbing redcoats out of here.  No wonder Brits are referred to as subjects and not citizens.

 

"The latest dispatch from the United Kingdom’s ongoing campaign to eliminate all forms of armed self-defense seems too incredible to be true. Unfortunately, after tracking down the origin of a publicly distributed statement regarding self-defense products on the country’s “Ask the Police” website, we can confirm that British subjects continue to live at the mercy of their potential attackers.  Even to the point of baffling absurdity.

The statement appears in the Frequently Asked Questions section of www.askthe.police.uk – a site that is operated by the Police National Legal Database.   Information provided by the PNLD and its site are used by local police constabularies to help inform the public.

The question at issue asks, “Are there any legal self defence products that I can buy?” Succinctly epitomizing the sad state of natural rights in Great Britain, the first sentence states, “The only fully legal self defence product at the moment is a rape alarm.”

And to add even more insult to human dignity, the statement cautions subjects against the use of nearly any other type of defense product, and reads like an appeal for victims to graciously suffer criminal violence. The answer makes clear “You must not get a product which is made or adapted to cause a person injury. Possession of such a product in public (and in private in specific circumstances) is against the law.”  So even in the sanctity of one’s home, the statement seems to suggest that care for violent offenders outweighs the rights of potential victims to be safe and secure against attack.

The statement then addresses the legality of inert dye sprays that merely mark one’s attacker for later identification; in contrast to self-defense sprays like mace or pepper spray that inflict pain in order to halt an attack. The site is so concerned with the well-being of violent criminals, that in the context of dye sprays, it states,“be aware that even a seemingly safe product, deliberately aimed and sprayed in someone's eyes, would become an offensive weapon because it would be used in a way that was intended to cause injury.” 

Whether it’s this detestable advice, police warning a woman not to display a knife in order to ward off intruders, warrantless firearm storage inspections, or desperate subjects being forced to defend their lives and property with cricket and baseball bats during riots, the UK government appears intent on wiping out any remaining vestiges of the traditional right to self-defense. We’d like to say that we won’t allow ourselves to be shocked by the next ludicrous episode from across the pond, but history shows they’ll somehow manage to astound."

https://www.nraila.org/article...ers-get-a-rape-alarm

 

TRUTH -- THE NEW HATE SPEECH!

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Just sit tight, a police officer will be with you in about three hours, or if the threat is gone, a few days maybe.

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And, Scotland Yard instructs their unarmed police to call for gun cars with armed police to apprehend armed criminals.  Guess who trains the armed police -- NRA contract.

On the ID channel last year, a man in England murdered his family, then called the police and told them someone was killing his family. I can't remember all the details, but they thought the shooter was still in the house. The police waited outside with the killer son for THREE HOURS until armed police arrived to go into the house.

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

And the heads of fabric own the law and call the shots.

 

No wonder BHO wants all guns confiscated.

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What "BHO" are you referring to?  It certainly must not be Barack Hussein Obama, for he has not said or done one thing that would logically lead to the ASSertion you have made.

 

Oh, I forgot--it is standard operating procedure for dull-witted, disordered wingnut ideologues

to just barf up all kinds of false and uunsupportable garbage like what you posted above.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

And the heads of fabric own the law and call the shots.

 

No wonder BHO wants all guns confiscated.

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What "BHO" are you referring to?  It certainly must not be Barack Hussein Obama, for he has not said or done one thing that would logically lead to the ASSertion you have made.

 

Oh, I forgot--it is standard operating procedure for dull-witted, disordered wingnut ideologues

to just barf up all kinds of false and uunsupportable garbage like what you posted above.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...union_n_4684426.html

Obama Pledges Gun Control 'With Or Without Congress' In 2014 State of the Union Address

 

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

And the heads of fabric own the law and call the shots.

 

No wonder BHO wants all guns confiscated.

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What "BHO" are you referring to?  It certainly must not be Barack Hussein Obama, for he has not said or done one thing that would logically lead to the ASSertion you have made.

 

Oh, I forgot--it is standard operating procedure for dull-witted, disordered wingnut ideologues

to just barf up all kinds of false and uunsupportable garbage like what you posted above.

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http://thehill.com/regulation/...-new-gun-regulations

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

And the heads of fabric own the law and call the shots.

 

No wonder BHO wants all guns confiscated.

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What "BHO" are you referring to?  It certainly must not be Barack Hussein Obama, for he has not said or done one thing that would logically lead to the ASSertion you have made.

 

Oh, I forgot--it is standard operating procedure for dull-witted, disordered wingnut ideologues

to just barf up all kinds of false and uunsupportable garbage like what you posted above.

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More recent

 

http://thehill.com/regulation/...-new-gun-regulations

have you watched the video. he simply wants to keep convicted felons from buying guns. he does not say anything about law abiding citizens owning a gun. i just bought a judge and my background to maybe 10 minutes. i am not a obama fan but the truth is the truth no matter how it gets twisted.

Originally Posted by electraglide:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

And the heads of fabric own the law and call the shots.

 

No wonder BHO wants all guns confiscated.

____

What "BHO" are you referring to?  It certainly must not be Barack Hussein Obama, for he has not said or done one thing that would logically lead to the ASSertion you have made.

 

Oh, I forgot--it is standard operating procedure for dull-witted, disordered wingnut ideologues

to just barf up all kinds of false and uunsupportable garbage like what you posted above.

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More recent

 

http://thehill.com/regulation/...-new-gun-regulations

have you watched the video. [1] he simply wants to keep convicted felons from buying guns. he does not say anything about law abiding citizens owning a gun. i just bought a judge and my background to maybe 10 minutes. i am not a obama fan but the truth is the truth no matter how it gets twisted.

 

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From your link:

 

The regulations range from new restrictions on high-powered pistols to gun storage requirements. Chief among them is a renewed effort to keep guns out of the hands of people who are [2]mentally unstable or have been [3] convicted of domestic abuse.

Gun safety advocates have been calling for such reforms since the Sandy Hook school shooting nearly three years ago in Newtown, Conn. They say keeping guns away from dangerous people is of primary importance.

 

Congratulations on your recent purchase of a Judge.

 

When you filled out the 4473, you answered the questions of whether you are a convicted felon, were mentally unstable, or a domestic abuser.

 

Of the three, only one is at this time unenforceable due to a lack of documentation.

 

Mentally unstable.

 

Since this topic has been on the forum, I have pointed that out time and again.

 

The article goes on to point out

 

The NRA contends that many people who are mentally ill may not necessarily pose a danger to society — or as the gun lobby puts it, the policy “snares masses of mostly harmless individuals.”

Gun rights advocates argue it would be more effective to ban people on an individual basis, as opposed to banning all people who are mentally ill.

“A person who experienced a temporary reaction to a traumatic event or who has trouble handling household finances may well be treated the same as a violent psychopath,” the NRA wrote.

"Not only is this unjust and stigmatizing, it creates disincentives for those who need mental health treatment to seek it, increasing whatever risks are associated with untreated mental illness,” it added.

 

As an NRA life member now for over 35 years, I disagree with the NRA comments based on the foundation that those killers who have a mentally ill past are not your rank and file folks who have suffered a single traumatic past.

 

And those shrinks who knew of these killers before they pulled a single trigger dam well knew they were dealing with a ticking time bomb but had no legal obligation to report it.  So they did not.

 

To say that efforts must be made in keeping guns out of the hands of felons and domestic abusers is just smoke and mirrors for those who've never read a 4473 or had a background check to purchase a firearm.  Those are already on the books as crimes.

 

Last edited by budsfarm
Originally Posted by electraglide:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

And the heads of fabric own the law and call the shots.

 

No wonder BHO wants all guns confiscated.

____

What "BHO" are you referring to?  It certainly must not be Barack Hussein Obama, for he has not said or done one thing that would logically lead to the ASSertion you have made.

 

Oh, I forgot--it is standard operating procedure for dull-witted, disordered wingnut ideologues

to just barf up all kinds of false and uunsupportable garbage like what you posted above.

_________________________________________
More recent

 

http://thehill.com/regulation/...-new-gun-regulations

have you watched the video. he simply wants to keep convicted felons from buying guns. he does not say anything about law abiding citizens owning a gun. i just bought a judge and my background to maybe 10 minutes. i am not a obama fan but the truth is the truth no matter how it gets twisted.

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You left out quite a bit:

 

"The ATF plans to finalize the rule by November, according to the Unified Agenda.
But gun rights advocates are concerned the Obama administration will use this rule to unfairly target certain gun owners.

“That could be a person who spanked his kid, or yelled at his wife, or slapped her husband,” warned Michael Hammond, legislative counsel for the Gun Owners of America."

 

"raised concerns about upcoming ATF rules that would require gun dealers to report gun thefts, provide gun storage and safety devices, and place restrictions on high-powered pistols, among other things.'

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by electraglide:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

And the heads of fabric own the law and call the shots.

 

No wonder BHO wants all guns confiscated.

____

What "BHO" are you referring to?  It certainly must not be Barack Hussein Obama, for he has not said or done one thing that would logically lead to the ASSertion you have made.

 

Oh, I forgot--it is standard operating procedure for dull-witted, disordered wingnut ideologues

to just barf up all kinds of false and uunsupportable garbage like what you posted above.

_________________________________________
More recent

 

http://thehill.com/regulation/...-new-gun-regulations

have you watched the video. he simply wants to keep convicted felons from buying guns. he does not say anything about law abiding citizens owning a gun. i just bought a judge and my background to maybe 10 minutes. i am not a obama fan but the truth is the truth no matter how it gets twisted.

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You left out quite a bit:

 

"The ATF plans to finalize the rule by November, according to the Unified Agenda.
But gun rights advocates are concerned the Obama administration will use this rule to unfairly target certain gun owners.

“That could be a person who spanked his kid, or yelled at his wife, or slapped her husband,” warned Michael Hammond, legislative counsel for the Gun Owners of America."

 

"raised concerns about upcoming ATF rules that would require gun dealers to report gun thefts, provide gun storage and safety devices, and place restrictions on high-powered pistols, among other things.'

 

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The 4473 question regarding domestic violence requires a conviction.  Not yelling at your wife otherwise Ralph Kramdin and Archie Bunker would be under the jail.  "One of these days, Alice ... POW ...  to the moon!"

 

I would have thought a FFL dealer would at a minimum report firearm thefts to the ATF given they are in his/her name till they are transferred to a customer.

 

Far as FFL dealers providing gun storage, sounds like the government is trying to criminalize the victim.  Meaning, if the dealer is broken into and his guns stolen, he would be culpable for the crimes committed with them.  I could easily see that applied to private citizens as well.  There are so many laws pertaining to the bad guys, the only way to expand is go after the good guys.

 

Mr. Hammond's cause would be better served if he stayed closer to s*h*o*r*e.

 

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