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<cite class="el-editorial-source">Waco, Texas (CNN)</cite>A memo has gone out to law enforcement in the wake of Sunday's shooting, warning officers that members of the Bandidos and Cossacks motorcycle gangs reportedly had been instructed to arm themselves and travel to north Texas.

"Obviously it's something we're concerned about. We would encourage biker groups to stand down. There's been enough bloodshed. There's been enough death here," Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton told CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" on Monday night.

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By the time the Sunday melee was over, at least nine people were dead, 18 were hospitalized and at least 170 were arrested and charged.

The biker gang members who began beating, stabbing and shooting each other in a Texas Twin Peaks restaurant knew the police were outside; they just didn't care, Swanton said.

For two months, police concerned with the bikers' presence at Twin Peaks, which hosted special events for its leather-clad clientele, had patrolled outside -- and not in plain clothes and unmarked cars, either.

"We wanted our presence to be known," Swanton told reporters. "They knew we were seconds away and going to respond. That mattered not to them."

The United Clubs of Waco billed Sunday's event as the Texas Region 1 Confederation of Clubs and Independents meeting. Before the restaurant and surrounding parking lots became a bloody battleground, the Waco Police Department had 18 officers on the scene, including an assistant chief and tactical officers, along with four officers with the Texas Department of Public Safety, Swanton said.

An altercation in the bathroom seems to have sparked the violence. Shots were fired inside the eatery and a brawl spilled onto the patio area, before scores of men flooded the parking lot in broad daylight. Some bikers were beaten with brass knuckles, clubs and chains, while others were stabbed or shot, Swanton said.

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When police responded -- within 30 to 45 seconds because of their proximity -- the bikers turned their weapons on law enforcement, he said.

"Our officers took fire and responded appropriately, returning fire," the sergeant said.

As police rounded up suspects and paramedics tended to the injured, investigators found eight bodies -- three in the parking lot behind Twin Peaks, four near the front of the restaurant and one that had been dragged behind a nearby establishment, Swanton said. More than 100 weapons were confiscated as well, he said.

Another victim died at a hospital, where doctors treated patients for gunshots, stab wounds, blunt-force trauma or some combination of the three.

According to a law enforcement source, preliminary information indicates that four of the bikers killed were killed by police gunfire. The investigation continues and the ballistics will be analyzed to determine for certain who was responsible for each shooting.

 

A capital murder case

 

Swanton called it "the most violent and gruesome scene that I have dealt with" in three and a half decades of law enforcement.

 

Read more here http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/18/...-shooting/index.html

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Originally Posted by Stanky:

I believe that the given excuse is that a fight broke out over a parking space. Probably the real reason is that biker gangs are criminal enterprises and it's all about controlling the profitable turf.

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 Several reasons for the fighting have been discussed in the media:

 

1.  Conflict over a parking space

 

2.  Someone had his foot run over by someone else's "hog"

 

3. A "Bandido" white trash (in the restaurant rest room) objected to a Cossack white trash having the word "TEXAS" on his jacket. Presumably the grievance was from one of the "Bandidos" gang who objected to the Cossack gang coming into the state where the Bandidos considered that they should have supremacy of some kind.

 

The actual reason, as a generic matter, is that two lowlife tribes of hateful, angry white trash scum

showed up in large numbers in the same place and one or more actions that would be peacefully resolved or not even noticed by decent people turned into an insane murderous firefight.

 

 

By far the best recent media performance by a law enforcement officer was that of the local police chief.

 

He laid out all the known facts that he legally could, considering  that the matter is still under investigation; gave much-deserved credit to the law enforcement personnel and local medical facilities for their outstanding responses to the incident, committed to continue reveal additional information as it develops; and did all this in a calm, even courtly manner. 

 

A good man doing a difficult job well.

Originally Posted by Contendah:

By far the best recent media performance by a law enforcement officer was that of the local police chief.

 

He laid out all the known facts that he legally could, considering  that the matter is still under investigation; gave much-deserved credit to the law enforcement personnel and local medical facilities for their outstanding responses to the incident, committed to continue reveal additional information as it develops; and did all this in a calm, even courtly manner. 

 

A good man doing a difficult job well.

 

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I missed the chief speaking.  Was he bald headed?  That's the PIO/Spokesman Sgt. W Patrick Swanton.  I heard him around 10am on CNN saying the same things.

 

https://www.google.com/webhp?h...;q=waco+pd+spokesman

 

Either way, you point well taken.  He or they handle the press briefings professionally.

 

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Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Stanky:

I believe that the given excuse is that a fight broke out over a parking space. Probably the real reason is that biker gangs are criminal enterprises and it's all about controlling the profitable turf.

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 Several reasons for the fighting have been discussed in the media:

 

1.  Conflict over a parking space

 

2.  Someone had his foot run over by someone else's "hog"

 

3. A "Bandido" white trash (in the restaurant rest room) objected to a Cossack white trash having the word "TEXAS" on his jacket. Presumably the grievance was from one of the "Bandidos" gang who objected to the Cossack gang coming into the state where the Bandidos considered that they should have supremacy of some kind.

 

The actual reason, as a generic matter, is that two lowlife tribes of hateful, angry white trash scum

showed up in large numbers in the same place and one or more actions that would be peacefully resolved or not even noticed by decent people turned into an insane murderous firefight.

 

 

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The motorcycle gangs involved in Sunday's shootout in a Waco, Texas, restaurant parking lot are a breed apart from weekend hobbyists on bikes, authorities say.

 

The groups are serious criminal organizations — including one that the FBI alleges is among the largest outlaw motorcycle gangs in the USA.

 

Police in Waco say the melee involved five gangs, including the Bandidos and the Cossacks, who clashed at a weekend recruiting event. The FBI says on its organized crime Web page that the Bandidos is one of the largest outlaw motorcycle gangs (OMGs) in the USA, with about 900 members and 93 chapters. The group itself says it has over 200 chapters with more than 2,500 members in 16 countries.

 

The FBI says OMGs such as the Bandidos "pose a serious national domestic threat." It defines them as "organizations whose members use their motorcycle clubs as conduits for criminal enterprises" including drug trafficking, cross-border drug smuggling, prostitution and human trafficking. More than 300 OMGs are active in the USA, it says, coordinating smuggling operations with "major international drug-trafficking organizations."

 

The FBI says the Bandidos "are involved in transporting and distributing cocaine and marijuana and are involved in the production, transportation and distribution of methamphetamine." The group is most active in the Pacific, Southeastern, Southwestern and the West Central regions of the USA.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/...ycle-gangs/27525021/

 

I'm still betting the cause of the fracas is more monetary than macho.

Yes, the two groups are warring for territory within Texas,  Cossacks have allied with the Hell's Angels to gssin supremacy in Texas.  Its all about the money/  About the same as the series Sons of Anarchy. Watched the series one season. After that, quit. Considered that every character should be six feet under or in prison until old age.

 

 

Turf.  Like wildlife management, an area has just so much carrying capacity.  Competitive, invasive species such as Cossacks in Bandito country aren't welcome.

 

HA's in my former area were all about providing "protection" for bars, pimping, backing chop shops and "supervising" drug running.  None actually worked unless intimidation is a career.

 

There was a black biker gang but they must have had a MAD agreement with the HA's.  Don't ever recall a clash between them.  But that was a long time ago.

 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Nah, they just started indiscriminately shooting. Good thing the police were already there and anticipating some kind of violence. Imagine how bad it could have been if they had not been right out side waiting...

Yea and glad their mom is not crying on CNN about how her son was good guy despite his criminal record and the leader of of the AMA is not in Waco inciting a riot!  Oh and the media is not attacking law enforcement for doing their job and saying they should have tazed them.

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Nah, they just started indiscriminately shooting. Good thing the police were already there and anticipating some kind of violence. Imagine how bad it could have been if they had not been right out side waiting...

Yea and glad their mom is not crying on CNN about how her son was good guy despite his criminal record and the leader of of the AMA is not in Waco inciting a riot!  Oh and the media is not attacking law enforcement for doing their job and saying they should have tazed them.

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That is because these were THUGS. They are criminals. See, the reason you haven't seen any of that is because most people can see the difference.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Nah, they just started indiscriminately shooting. Good thing the police were already there and anticipating some kind of violence. Imagine how bad it could have been if they had not been right out side waiting...

Yea and glad their mom is not crying on CNN about how her son was good guy despite his criminal record and the leader of of the AMA is not in Waco inciting a riot!  Oh and the media is not attacking law enforcement for doing their job and saying they should have tazed them.

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That is because these were THUGS. They are criminals. See, the reason you haven't seen any of that is because most people can see the difference.

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You mean like that racist thug, Michael Brown, we saw roughing up a small Pakistani before robbing him?

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Nah, they just started indiscriminately shooting. Good thing the police were already there and anticipating some kind of violence. Imagine how bad it could have been if they had not been right out side waiting...

Yea and glad their mom is not crying on CNN about how her son was good guy despite his criminal record and the leader of of the AMA is not in Waco inciting a riot!  Oh and the media is not attacking law enforcement for doing their job and saying they should have tazed them.

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That is because these were THUGS. They are criminals. See, the reason you haven't seen any of that is because most people can see the difference.

So were the guys killed and rioting ensued!!! That's the point of my post!!!! No most can see there is no difference!!!

 Protesting and speaking out about injustice is no where near what these gangster were doing. Why  anyone would try and equate the two is beyond me. The police are not being criticized for their actions in Waco because there is absolutely no question that they were trying to do their job and protect the community. There have been legitimate question about the actions of some officers in inner city communities. One incident was the actions of murderous gangs, the other was the actions of Americans using their right to protest and demand answers. 

 

I don't think I saw anyone on here or even on the media that defended the rioters. I did see many people on here and in the media either completely ignore the protest and only focus on those that were there to do damage or get upset that the citizens even DARED  to question the police and form a protest. 

 

A wild west shootout that left a bunch of gangsters dead is not in anyway the same as citizens protesting. 

 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

 Protesting and speaking out about injustice is no where near what these gangster were doing. Why  anyone would try and equate the two is beyond me. The police are not being criticized for their actions in Waco because there is absolutely no question that they were trying to do their job and protect the community. There have been legitimate question about the actions of some officers in inner city communities. One incident was the actions of murderous gangs, the other was the actions of Americans using their right to protest and demand answers. 

 

I don't think I saw anyone on here or even on the media that defended the rioters. I did see many people on here and in the media either completely ignore the protest and only focus on those that were there to do damage or get upset that the citizens even DARED  to question the police and form a protest. 

 

A wild west shootout that left a bunch of gangsters dead is not in anyway the same as citizens protesting. 

 

 

 

It was obvious from your very FIRST sentence and "Smiley" that this was a "baited" post.

 

It was obvious that you really had no interest in the Waco debacle other than to invoke sarcasm at 

comments made NATIONWIDE about the plight of the inner city Black communities. A breakdown in traditional Family structure. Where the "Heroes" among many of the youth are "Bling" bedecked dope hustlers. Gun toting "Gangstas". Or, the "Rap Culture" of "Artists", and I use that term Artists loosely, of shooting Cops, mistreating women, "popping caps" in other gang members?

The Ferguson and Baltimore protests turned into the, once again, predictable,  "loot and burn" pattern.

Wasn't Jewish Americans. Wasn't Korean Americans, but "African Americans", again.

 

Is there a national "conspiracy" among LEO's to target Blacks?

There were Black LEO's involved in Baltimore.

 

The OMG's in Waco were criminals.

So was Brown.

So was Gray.

 

Criminals sometimes get killed.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

 Protesting and speaking out about injustice is no where near what these gangster were doing. Why  anyone would try and equate the two is beyond me. The police are not being criticized for their actions in Waco because there is absolutely no question that they were trying to do their job and protect the community. There have been legitimate question about the actions of some officers in inner city communities. One incident was the actions of murderous gangs, the other was the actions of Americans using their right to protest and demand answers. 

 

I don't think I saw anyone on here or even on the media that defended the rioters. I did see many people on here and in the media either completely ignore the protest and only focus on those that were there to do damage or get upset that the citizens even DARED  to question the police and form a protest. 

 

A wild west shootout that left a bunch of gangsters dead is not in anyway the same as citizens protesting. 

 

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I saw no one stating the demonstrators had a right to protest. I did see a riot with police equipped with no body armor (only helmets which they keep in their cruisers) huddled in groups of a dozen or so behind one single shield.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Nah, they just started indiscriminately shooting. Good thing the police were already there and anticipating some kind of violence. Imagine how bad it could have been if they had not been right out side waiting...

 

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If it was indiscriminate shooting, it was sho nuff a bad day for the Cossacks.  8 out of 9 .

 

Dam the luck.

 

Originally Posted by uandurine:

I guess I may be the only one who has reservations about the police version of the events.  Don't get my wrong, I'm glad that no innocent citizens or police were injured, but what are the odds that when the police are fired upon the only deaths and injuries are to the gangsters.

 

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When the LEO's anticipate rather than react, when the LEO's use cover rather than standing in the open like set targets, when the LEO's have the element of surprise and superior firepower, I'd say the odds are 100% that the bad guys will die and the only thing the good guys will feel is recoil.  But they won't remember it.

 

Oh yes, and a little "luck" defined as where preparation meets opportunity.

 

Another thing on my list of things that make me grin.

 

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Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

I guess I may be the only one who has reservations about the police version of the events.  Don't get my wrong, I'm glad that no innocent citizens or police were injured, but what are the odds that when the police are fired upon the only deaths and injuries are to the gangsters.

 

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When the LEO's anticipate rather than react, when the LEO's use cover rather than standing in the open like set targets, when the LEO's have the element of surprise and superior firepower, I'd say the odds are 100% that the bad guys will die.

 

Oh yes, and a little "luck" defined as where preparation meets opportunity.

 

Another thing on my list of things that make me grin.

 

 

Toss in the "highly probable BUZZ" that the bikers had goin' on would impair ones ability to quickly react, and...aim.

Originally Posted by Harald Weissberg:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

I guess I may be the only one who has reservations about the police version of the events.  Don't get my wrong, I'm glad that no innocent citizens or police were injured, but what are the odds that when the police are fired upon the only deaths and injuries are to the gangsters.

 

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When the LEO's anticipate rather than react, when the LEO's use cover rather than standing in the open like set targets, when the LEO's have the element of surprise and superior firepower, I'd say the odds are 100% that the bad guys will die.

 

Oh yes, and a little "luck" defined as where preparation meets opportunity.

 

Another thing on my list of things that make me grin.

 

 

Toss in the "highly probable BUZZ" that the bikers had goin' on would impair ones ability to quickly react, and...aim.

 

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Action [them] is faster than reaction [good guys] but reaction time can be lessened by anticipation.  Bud's Law.

 

The "buzz" they must have gotten was due to circling the breastaurant to have a toke before going in.   No pot served inside, don'tcha know.

 

Yeah, and the fact that opposing forces softened them up a bit.

 

The enemy of my enemy sort of thing.

 

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Originally Posted by uandurine:

I guess I may be the only one who has reservations about the police version of the events.  Don't get my wrong, I'm glad that no innocent citizens or police were injured, but what are the odds that when the police are fired upon the only deaths and injuries are to the gangsters.

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Thugs tend to not practice with their weapons,  Police do and probably wore bullet resistant vests.

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

I guess I may be the only one who has reservations about the police version of the events.  Don't get my wrong, I'm glad that no innocent citizens or police were injured, but what are the odds that when the police are fired upon the only deaths and injuries are to the gangsters.

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Thugs tend to not practice with their weapons,  Police do and probably wore bullet resistant vests.

 

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Are there any reports regarding body armor being a factor?

 

The OMGs I'm familiar with loved their guns more than their OL and almost as much as their bikes.

 

They handled their "gats" a lot better than the side-shooting-Glock inner-city thugs.

 

Hmmmm.  Does that make me racist?

 

Last edited by budsfarm
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by uandurine:

I guess I may be the only one who has reservations about the police version of the events.  Don't get my wrong, I'm glad that no innocent citizens or police were injured, but what are the odds that when the police are fired upon the only deaths and injuries are to the gangsters.

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Thugs tend to not practice with their weapons,  Police do and probably wore bullet resistant vests.

 

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Are there any reports regarding body armor being a factor?

 

The OMGs I'm familiar with loved their guns more than their OL and almost as much as their bikes.

 

They handled their "gats" a lot better than the side-shooting-Glock inner-city thugs.

 

Hmmmm.  Does that make me racist?

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Most police wear their vests in such situations, not special issue.  loving their gats and practicing marksmanship correctly are different things.  Muslims have a thing about firearms but still practice "pray and spray --if it hits its the will of Allah."

 

Originally Posted by Harald Weissberg:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

 Protesting and speaking out about injustice is no where near what these gangster were doing. Why  anyone would try and equate the two is beyond me. The police are not being criticized for their actions in Waco because there is absolutely no question that they were trying to do their job and protect the community. There have been legitimate question about the actions of some officers in inner city communities. One incident was the actions of murderous gangs, the other was the actions of Americans using their right to protest and demand answers. 

 

I don't think I saw anyone on here or even on the media that defended the rioters. I did see many people on here and in the media either completely ignore the protest and only focus on those that were there to do damage or get upset that the citizens even DARED  to question the police and form a protest. 

 

A wild west shootout that left a bunch of gangsters dead is not in anyway the same as citizens protesting. 

 

 

 

It was obvious from your very FIRST sentence and "Smiley" that this was a "baited" post.

 

It was obvious that you really had no interest in the Waco debacle other than to invoke sarcasm at 

comments made NATIONWIDE about the plight of the inner city Black communities. A breakdown in traditional Family structure. Where the "Heroes" among many of the youth are "Bling" bedecked dope hustlers. Gun toting "Gangstas". Or, the "Rap Culture" of "Artists", and I use that term Artists loosely, of shooting Cops, mistreating women, "popping caps" in other gang members?

The Ferguson and Baltimore protests turned into the, once again, predictable,  "loot and burn" pattern.

Wasn't Jewish Americans. Wasn't Korean Americans, but "African Americans", again.

 

Is there a national "conspiracy" among LEO's to target Blacks?

There were Black LEO's involved in Baltimore.

 

The OMG's in Waco were criminals.

So was Brown.

So was Gray.

 

Criminals sometimes get killed.

 

 

 

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The only way you could have read so much into that first sentence is if it hit a nerve. Were you born without a funny bone as well as a brain? 

 

The reason I posted this story was because of the potential of the biker gangs still being a threat to the police and the Waco community. Did you read it, or did you just stop at the first line and react as if you knew what my personal thoughts were? Get over yourself. You're not smart enough to live inside my head. 

Last edited by Jankinonya
Originally Posted by uandurine:

I guess I may be the only one who has reservations about the police version of the events.  Don't get my wrong, I'm glad that no innocent citizens or police were injured, but what are the odds that when the police are fired upon the only deaths and injuries are to the gangsters.

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My understanding is that they had inside info on what was going down and were prepared. As others have said them being prepared gave them the upper hand. Plus I think the gangsters were more focused on each other. 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Harald Weissberg:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

 Protesting and speaking out about injustice is no where near what these gangster were doing. Why  anyone would try and equate the two is beyond me. The police are not being criticized for their actions in Waco because there is absolutely no question that they were trying to do their job and protect the community. There have been legitimate question about the actions of some officers in inner city communities. One incident was the actions of murderous gangs, the other was the actions of Americans using their right to protest and demand answers. 

 

I don't think I saw anyone on here or even on the media that defended the rioters. I did see many people on here and in the media either completely ignore the protest and only focus on those that were there to do damage or get upset that the citizens even DARED  to question the police and form a protest. 

 

A wild west shootout that left a bunch of gangsters dead is not in anyway the same as citizens protesting. 

 

 

 

It was obvious from your very FIRST sentence and "Smiley" that this was a "baited" post.

 

It was obvious that you really had no interest in the Waco debacle other than to invoke sarcasm at 

comments made NATIONWIDE about the plight of the inner city Black communities. A breakdown in traditional Family structure. Where the "Heroes" among many of the youth are "Bling" bedecked dope hustlers. Gun toting "Gangstas". Or, the "Rap Culture" of "Artists", and I use that term Artists loosely, of shooting Cops, mistreating women, "popping caps" in other gang members?

The Ferguson and Baltimore protests turned into the, once again, predictable,  "loot and burn" pattern.

Wasn't Jewish Americans. Wasn't Korean Americans, but "African Americans", again.

 

Is there a national "conspiracy" among LEO's to target Blacks?

There were Black LEO's involved in Baltimore.

 

The OMG's in Waco were criminals.

So was Brown.

So was Gray.

 

Criminals sometimes get killed.

 

 

 

__________________________

 

The only way you could have read so much into that first sentence is if it hit a nerve. Were you born without a funny bone as well as a brain? 

 

The reason I posted this story was because of the potential of the biker gangs still being a threat to the police and the Waco community. Did you read it, or did you just stop at the first line and react as if you knew what my personal thoughts were? Get over yourself. You're not smart enough to live inside my head. 

 

Liar.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

 Protesting and speaking out about injustice is no where near what these gangster were doing. Why  anyone would try and equate the two is beyond me. The police are not being criticized for their actions in Waco because there is absolutely no question that they were trying to do their job and protect the community. There have been legitimate question about the actions of some officers in inner city communities. One incident was the actions of murderous gangs, the other was the actions of Americans using their right to protest and demand answers. 

 

I don't think I saw anyone on here or even on the media that defended the rioters. I did see many people on here and in the media either completely ignore the protest and only focus on those that were there to do damage or get upset that the citizens even DARED  to question the police and form a protest. 

 

A wild west shootout that left a bunch of gangsters dead is not in anyway the same as citizens protesting. 

 

The point is they were protesting that criminals got killed while fighting or resisting arrest.  We however are not protesting that criminals in Waco were killed!  Think bikers in gangs or look like they are aren't targeted by police and harassed or came from poor broken homes?   I personally think its funny you condem these mis understood souls and give the likes of Mike Brown the benifit of the doubt even toady after all evidence cleared Officer Wilson.  Thats sarcasm BTW

 

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