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Hi to all my Forum Friends,

With all the attention being given to having a Pope retire, which has not been done in 600 years -- this may be a good time to take an objective look at the Roman Catholic Papacy.  Recognizing that all Popes who have been head of the Roman Catholic church during my lifetime have been men of high integrity and sincere devotion to that church, I have respect for each Pope as an exceptional man. 

 

But, only as a man, flawed, frail, and having the same sin nature which all people must claim.  Not to denigrate any Pope; but, he is just a man who can never be infallible.  Only God and His Written Word can be seen as perfect and infallible.


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WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT THE POPE / PAPACY?

http://www.gotquestions.org/pope-papacy.html

 

Question:  "What does the Bible say about the pope / papacy?"

Answer:  The Roman Catholic Church’s teaching about the pope (“pope” means “father”) is built upon and involves the following Roman Catholic teachings:


1.  Christ made Peter the leader of the apostles and of the church (Matthew 16:18-19).  In giving Peter the “keys of the kingdom,” Christ not only made him leader, but also made him infallible when he acted or spoke as Christ’s representative on earth (speaking from the seat of authority, or “ex cathedra”).  This ability to act on behalf of the church in an infallible way when speaking “ex cathedra” was passed on to Peter’s successors, thus giving the church an infallible guide on earth.  The purpose of the papacy is to lead the church unerringly.

2.  Peter later became the first bishop of Rome.  As bishop of Rome, he exercised authority over all other bishops and church leaders.  The teaching that the bishop of Rome is above all other bishops in authority is referred to as the “primacy” of the Roman bishop.

3.  Peter passed on his apostolic authority to the next bishop of Rome, along with the other apostles who passed on their apostolic authority to the bishops that they ordained.  These new bishops, in turn, passed on that apostolic authority to those bishops that they later ordained, and so on.  This “passing on of apostolic authority” is referred to as “apostolic succession.”

4.  Based upon the claim of an unbroken chain of Roman bishops, Roman Catholics teach that the Roman Catholic Church is the true church, and that all churches that do not accept the primacy of the pope have broken away from them, the original and one true church.

 

Having briefly reviewed some of the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church concerning the papacy, the question is whether those teachings are in agreement with Scripture.  The Roman Catholic Church sees the papacy and the infallible teaching authority of “Mother Church” as being necessary to guide the church, and uses that as logical reasoning for God’s provision of it.  But in examining Scripture, we find the following:


1.  While Peter was central in the early spread of the Gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew 16:18-19), the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles or over the church (see Acts 15:1-23; Galatians 2:1-14; 1 Peter 5:1-5).  Nor is it ever taught that the bishop of Rome was to have primacy over the church.  Rather, there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome, found in 1 Peter 5:13.

Primarily from this, and the historical rise of the influence of the bishop of Rome (due to the support of Constantine and the Roman emperors who followed him), come the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching of the primacy of the bishop of Rome.  However, Scripture shows that Peter’s authority was shared by the other apostles (Ephesians 2:19-20) and that the “loosing and binding” authority attributed to him was likewise shared by the local churches, not just their church leaders (see Matthew 18:15-19; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13; 2 Corinthians 13:10; Titus 2:15; 3:10-11).

2.  Nowhere does Scripture state that in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession).  Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22).

What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is cited in the Bible as infallible.  The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture (Bill Gray note: canonized Scripture).  Paul, in talking to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus, makes note of coming false teachers.  To fight against their error does NOT commend them to “the apostles and those who would carry on their authority,” but rather to “God and to the word of His grace” (Acts 20:28-32).

Again, the Bible teaches that it is Scripture that is to be used as measuring stick to determine truth from error.  In Galatians 1:8-9, Paul states that it is not WHO teaches but WHAT is being taught that is to be used to determine truth from error.  While the Roman Catholic Church continues to pronounce a curse to hell, or “anathema,” upon those who would reject the authority of the pope, Scripture reserves that curse for those who would teach a different Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9).

3. While the Roman Catholic Church sees apostolic succession as logically necessary in order for God to unerringly guide the church, Scripture states that God has provided for His church through the following:


(a) Infallible Scripture, (Acts 20:32; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Matthew 5:18; John 10:35; Acts 17:10-12; Isaiah 8:20; 40:8; etc.) Note: Peter speaks of Paul’s writings in the same category as other Scripture (2 Peter 3:16),

(b) Christ’s unending high-priesthood in heaven (Hebrews 7:22-28),

(c) The provision of the Holy Spirit who guided the apostles into truth after Christ’s death (John 16:12-14), who gifts believers for the work of the ministry, including teaching (Romans 12:3-8; Ephesians 4:11-16), and who uses the written word as His chief tool (Hebrews 4:12; Ephesians 6:17).

 

While there have been good (humanly speaking) and moral men who have served as pope of the Roman Catholic Church, including Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, the Roman Catholic Church teaching about the office of the pope -- should be rejected because it is not “in continuity” with the teachings of the original church related to us in the New Testament.

This comparison of any church’s teaching is essential, lest we miss the New Testament’s teaching concerning the Gospel -- and not only miss eternal life in heaven ourselves, but unwittingly lead others down the wrong path (Galatians 1:8-9).

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This is not an attack against anyone, only against false teachings which lead folks to worship the creation, i.e., the Pope, Vatican-created saints, idols made of earthly materials, buildings made of brick and mortar -- instead of worshiping only the Creator.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

 

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There are a number of errors in the above posting, particularly the interpretation of Matt 16:19.  Here Peter is given the keys of the the kingdom.  The keys represent teaching authority.  Jesus consecrates Peter as the Church's chief teacher, whose office will continue through his successors.  In Matthew we see Jesus as King, and He appoints Peter as His prime minister, to administer the Church after Jesus has ascended into heaven.  Entrusted with the keys, Peter has the authority of Jesus. 

That is the correct interpretation of Matthew 16:18-19.  Those who rejecxt thiss teaching reject the Pope, Jesus's chosen prime minister here on earth.  And as Scripture says, those who reject you, reject Me.  Those who accept you, accept Me. 

Also it is indeed the Holy Spirit who guides the Catholic Church.  it is the Holy Spirit, who will guice the Cardinals who will select the next Pope.  it is the Holy spirit, who guides the Pope on the rare occassions when he speaks infallibly.  If there is no infallability, then there is no Scripture.  the writers of Scripture wrote infallibly, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit cpontinues to work today guides the Pope and the bishops. 

As noted previously, we do not worship the Pope, or saints, or idols, or anytthhing else.  Those are slanders and lies passed on by those ignorant of the Catholic Church and its teachings. 

Praised be Jesus forever!!!

Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

 As noted previously, we do not worship the Pope, or saints, or idols, or anytthhing else.  Those are slanders and lies passed on by those ignorant of the Catholic Church and its teachings. 

Praised be Jesus forever!!!

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Well, Nathan, maybe YOU personally do not worship the pope, but there is a documented history showing that without question it has been the practice of the Roman Catholic Church, in the inauguration of a pope, to invoke language pledging to him the WORSHIP of his flock.  For example:

 

<<<At the coronation of Pope Innocent X., Cardinal Colonna, in his own name and that of the clergy of St. Peter’s, addressed the following words to the pope, "kneeling on his knees": "Most holy and blessed father! head of the Church, ruler of the world, to whom the keys of the kingdom of heaven are committed, whom the angels in heaven revere, and the gates of hell fear, and all the world adores, we specially venerate, worship, and adore thee!">>>

http://books.google.com/books?id=uZsvAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406&dq=cardinal+colonna+worship+and+adore&source=bl&ots=31MvKKTAQP&sig=uTtthJ04CPrVe3eFDw5L9C9-byE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LDAyUcT7E5Ko8gTI2ICICw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=cardinal%20colonna%20worship%20and%20adore&f=false   SEE Page 406

 

The ceremony within which these blasphemous words are uttered is called, by Catholic writers, "The Adoration."  Better it should be called "The Abomination."  In any case, it proves, without any question, that the pope is an object of worship for Catholics.

 

Consider, in addition, this presumptuous utterance by Pope Leo XIII:

 

<<<"The supreme teacher in the Church is  the Roman Pontiff.  Union of minds therefore requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission to the church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself.">>>

 

"Perfect accord," "complete submission," and UTTER BLASPHEMY!

 

The same Leo XIII declared, in 1894, "We hold the place of Almighty God on earth."

 

Uh, Leo, old son, only God holds the place of God on earth, in Heaven, or anywhere in between.

 

See 2 Thessalonians 2:3 & 4 for further information on the office of the Pope, resonating strongly with the usurpative claims of Pope Leo XIII and other deceivers..

 

 

Hi Nathan,

 

If you are secure in your salvation through the Pope, God bless you. Maybe that is why Roman Catholics tell us they cannot KNOW they have salvation; they have placed their faith in the wrong Savior.   And, keep in mind that EVEN THE POPE does not know if he has salvation.  If the leader does not know he has salvation; how can any of his followers know about their salvation?

 

Personally, I place my full faith in Jesus Christ alone -- and because of this, I KNOW that I have salvation and WILL spend eternity in the presence of God. I rely on the promise of Jesus Christ (John 6:47) and not the Pope.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Said upperty

The same Leo XIII declared, in 1894, "We hold the place of Almighty God

on earth."

Uh, Leo, old son, only God holds the place of God on earth, in Heaven,

or anywhere in between.

See 2 Thessalonians 2:3 & 4 for further information on the office of the Pope,

 resonating strongly with the usurpative claims of Pope Leo XIII and

other deceivers..

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And that's all Leo was saying. When you started lying for billie, you've ended

up lying for satan also, and here you are. Looks as if you can lie about the

Bible as much as billie-jz. You're the deceiver upperty, or satan, both fit you.

 

2 Thes 2:3-5

This talks about the apocalyptic account describing terms especially from

Daniel 11: 36-37 and other verses like this of self assertveness against God

in the House of God. Satan represents the end of these activities.

 

An attempt of Antiochus IV Epiphanes to set up a statue of Zeus in the temple

of Jerusalem. Dan 7:23-25 / 8:9-12 / 9:27 /11:36-37 / 12:11. Mark 13: 14.

This is to lpace someone in the place of God. Ezekiel 28: 2.

Your lying interpretation is just that, another upperty lie. You just can't

sell your wish list with the Bible. It won't lie for you.

 





 

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

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Said upperty

The same Leo XIII declared, in 1894, "We hold the place of Almighty God

on earth."

Uh, Leo, old son, only God holds the place of God on earth, in Heaven,

or anywhere in between.

See 2 Thessalonians 2:3 & 4 for further information on the office of the Pope,

 resonating strongly with the usurpative claims of Pope Leo XIII and

other deceivers..

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And that's all Leo was saying. When you started lying for billie, you've ended

up lying for satan also, and here you are. Looks as if you can lie about the

Bible as much as billie-jz. You're the deceiver upperty, or satan, both fit you.

 

 

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No--that is NOT all that Leo was saying.  I also posted  this blasphemous utterance from the same pope, which you conveniently ignored:

<<<"The supreme teacher in the Church is  the Roman Pontiff.  Union of minds therefore requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission to the church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself.">>>

 

And you conveniently ignored this matter also:

 

<<<At the coronation of Pope Innocent X., Cardinal Colonna, in his own name and that of the clergy of St. Peter’s, addressed the following words to the pope, "kneeling on his knees": "Most holy and blessed father! head of the Church, ruler of the world, to whom the keys of the kingdom of heaven are committed, whom the angels in heaven revere, and the gates of hell fear, and all the world adores, we specially venerate, worship, and adore thee!">>>

 

You do pick and choose, don't you, Invictus? Tell us, do you or do you not agree with Cardinal Colonna's characterization of the man in the tall hat?  Do you deny that with the above-quoted utterance Colonna was acknowledging that the pope is to be worshipped? And if so, how do you explain away that which is so simple, plain, clear, and unambiguous? 

 

"...we specially venerate, worship, and adore thee."

 

And pul-eeze!  Get off the notion that I am carrying any water for Bill Gray.  I do my thing and Bill does his.  I have researched the blasphemies and iniquities of the Roman Catholic Church for over 50 years, before Bill ever got involved with Catholicism or with the Chuck Smith Temple of Triburapturism.  I carry no one's water but my own and I have poured it liberally upon your fumbling, inadequate efforts to defend the papacy.  It is now time for you to man up and answer the above elements of my post that you are skating away from.

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Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

 As noted previously, we do not worship the Pope, or saints, or idols, or anytthhing else.  Those are slanders and lies passed on by those ignorant of the Catholic Church and its teachings. 

Praised be Jesus forever!!!

___

Well, Nathan, maybe YOU personally do not worship the pope, but there is a documented history showing that without question it has been the practice of the Roman Catholic Church, in the inauguration of a pope, to invoke language pledging to him the WORSHIP of his flock.  For example:

 

<<<At the coronation of Pope Innocent X., Cardinal Colonna, in his own name and that of the clergy of St. Peter’s, addressed the following words to the pope, "kneeling on his knees": "Most holy and blessed father! head of the Church, ruler of the world, to whom the keys of the kingdom of heaven are committed, whom the angels in heaven revere, and the gates of hell fear, and all the world adores, we specially venerate, worship, and adore thee!">>>

http://books.google.com/books?id=uZsvAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406&dq=cardinal+colonna+worship+and+adore&source=bl&ots=31MvKKTAQP&sig=uTtthJ04CPrVe3eFDw5L9C9-byE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LDAyUcT7E5Ko8gTI2ICICw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=cardinal%20colonna%20worship%20and%20adore&f=false   SEE Page 406

 

The ceremony within which these blasphemous words are uttered is called, by Catholic writers, "The Adoration."  Better it should be called "The Abomination."  In any case, it proves, without any question, that the pope is an object of worship for Catholics.

 

Consider, in addition, this presumptuous utterance by Pope Leo XIII:

 

<<<"The supreme teacher in the Church is  the Roman Pontiff.  Union of minds therefore requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission to the church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself.">>>

 

"Perfect accord," "complete submission," and UTTER BLASPHEMY!

 

The same Leo XIII declared, in 1894, "We hold the place of Almighty God on earth."

 

Uh, Leo, old son, only God holds the place of God on earth, in Heaven, or anywhere in between.

 

See 2 Thessalonians 2:3 & 4 for further information on the office of the Pope, resonating strongly with the usurpative claims of Pope Leo XIII and other deceivers..

 

 

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You might be church of christ if:

You believe that the CHURCH OF CHRIST is the only church which correctly teaches and follows the Bible, yet you cannot explain how there can be other Christians in the world who do not believe and interpret the Word as you do.

Originally Posted by smokey1:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

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You might be church of christ if:

You believe that the CHURCH OF CHRIST is the only church which correctly teaches and follows the Bible, yet you cannot explain how there can be other Christians in the world who do not believe and interpret the Word as you do.

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And you might be are a crawfishing Catholic by posting that irrelevant assertion while ignoring the very probing and incriminating information I posted above,documenting without question that the pope is indeed worshipped by Catholics. Neither you nor Invictus have addressed the information I have provided on this issue because there is no way for you to refute what I have posted. 

 

 "...we specially venerate, worship, and adore thee!"

 

Can YOU man up, Smokey 1, where Invictus has not, or will you continue to "smokey screen" on this one? 

Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by smokey1:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

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You might be church of christ if:

You believe that the CHURCH OF CHRIST is the only church which correctly teaches and follows the Bible, yet you cannot explain how there can be other Christians in the world who do not believe and interpret the Word as you do.

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And you might be are a crawfishing Catholic by posting that irrelevant assertion while ignoring the very probing and incriminating information I posted above,documenting without question that the pope is indeed worshipped by Catholics. Neither you nor Invictus have addressed the information I have provided on this issue because there is no way for you to refute what I have posted. 

 

 "...we specially venerate, worship, and adore thee!"

 

Can YOU man up, Smokey 1, where Invictus has not, or will you continue to "smokey screen" on this one? 

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You know all of this is bogus anyway upperty.

Written in 1879 by the english in london, oxford and cambridge -

MDCCCLXXIX Chr. wordsworth, DD.

Propaganda from the people that were killing catholics on sight.

The same great people you come from and they know you will want to believe

every word of it. All you have is another sack of crap.

 

 


 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by smokey1:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

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You might be church of christ if:

You believe that the CHURCH OF CHRIST is the only church which correctly teaches and follows the Bible, yet you cannot explain how there can be other Christians in the world who do not believe and interpret the Word as you do.

___

And you might be are a crawfishing Catholic by posting that irrelevant assertion while ignoring the very probing and incriminating information I posted above,documenting without question that the pope is indeed worshipped by Catholics. Neither you nor Invictus have addressed the information I have provided on this issue because there is no way for you to refute what I have posted. 

 

 "...we specially venerate, worship, and adore thee!"

 

Can YOU man up, Smokey 1, where Invictus has not, or will you continue to "smokey screen" on this one? 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You know all of this is bogus anyway upperty.

Written in 1879 by the english in london, oxford and cambridge -

MDCCCLXXIX Chr. wordsworth, DD.

Propaganda from the people that were killing catholics on sight.

The same great people you come from and they know you will want to believe

every word of it. All you have is another sack of crap.

 

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And all you have is denial without anything to support it.

"QUEM CREANT ADORAT"--inscribed on coins commemorating the election of two popes.  The translation is "Whom they create, they [the College of Cardinals] adore." 

 

http://www.sits7.com/v02/r/quem_medal.pdf

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=npgYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=qUEM+CREANT+ADORANT+%2B+COIN&source=bl&ots=ANqdh9AzmP&sig=oOgGX002gSUpAeGqKBpvA1pv9yY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KcMyUeekNofc8wTvpoCwBA&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=qUEM%20CREANT%20ADORANT%20%2B%20COIN&f=false  SEE pages 54 and 55.

 

 

 


 

 

 
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
 

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You know all of this is bogus anyway upperty.

Written in 1879 by the english in london, oxford and cambridge -

MDCCCLXXIX Chr. wordsworth, DD.

Propaganda from the people that were killing catholics on sight.

The same great people you come from and they know you will want to believe

every word of it. All you have is another sack of crap.

 

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http://books.google.com/books?id=npgYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=qUEM+CREANT+ADORANT+%2B+COIN&source=bl&ots=ANqdh9AzmP&sig=oOgGX002gSUpAeGqKBpvA1pv9yY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KcMyUeekNofc8wTvpoCwBA&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=qUEM%20CREANT%20ADORANT%20%2B%20COIN&f=false 

 

Catholics don't worship the pope period.

 

I do pity you in your never ending hate, get a life.

 

 

 

 

All honor, worship and Glory to God- Not the pope, not Mary, not statues or anything else. I don't know how to dispel these myths except to say that I am a strong Catholic, in agreement with all of the teachings of the church, and do NOT nor have I ever been taught to worship or glorify anyone but God. Upside, I can't explain the text you provided. I do not know the source, nor the context. But I DO know the bible, and the catechism, and see absolutely no catholic teaching to worship the pope. I hope this helps.
quote:    Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
See 2 Thessalonians 2:3 & 4 for further information on the office of the Pope, resonating strongly with the usurpative claims of Pope Leo XIII and other deceivers.

Hi Vic,

 

I am curious where you find the Pope or the Papal office in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.   So, let's examine that full Scripture passage:

 

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2, "Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, (2) that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come."

 

"our gathering together to Him":   Here, Paul is speaking of when Jesus Christ will come in the clouds to "catch up" or "gather out" His church from this world.  "Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord"  (1 Thessalonians 4:17).   This will happen before the  seven year Tribulation begins.

 

"with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"   And, here, Paul is speaking of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ which will occur at the end of the seven year Tribulation (Revelation 19:11-21).  He will then return to earth as the Lion of Judah and will establish His 1000 year Millennial Kingdom on earth, from the throne of David in Jerusalem.

 

And, Paul is telling the people in the church at Thessalonica that false teachers will come into their presence trying to tell them that the Day of the Lord has already come -- and they missed it.  This is much like the false teachers who deny the very obvious teaching of the Rapture, and those who tell folks that they have to work their way into heaven. 

 

Jesus tells us, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father but through me"  (John 14:6).  And the false teachers tell folks, "No, you must work for your salvation!" 

 

And, with a works based salvation -- not even the Pope, the leader of their church, knows if he has salvation or not.   Not surprising; for when salvation is based upon works -- how can anyone know how MUCH work is required to gain entrance to heaven?

 

So, in the first two verses of this Scripture passage, Paul is warning folks about the false teachers -- much like I, and other Forum Christian Friends, warn folks about the false teachings and doctrines of the Roman Catholic church -- and other false teachings on the forum.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-5, "Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, (4) who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.  (5) Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?"

 

"for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first":    What is the apostasy which Paul warns us about?  It is not just an apostasy -- but, is THE APOSTASY.   Which apostasy does Paul mean?  I would say that he is referring to the time, much like in the days of Noah, when the world will become so secular, so corrupt, so full of evil -- that it will seem as though Christianity is dying and the secular non-believing world has won.   Not true, but, with all the evil in the world, it may seem to be true.

 

This time when the president of the United States is pushing to have homosexuality declared to be a normal lifestyle; the time when the president of the United States is urging the Supreme Court to recognize same-sex marriage throughout America as legal and normal; the time when the president strongly supports the murder of millions of children via abortion.   This, in my mind, could be describing THE APOSTASY. 

 

Is this happening just in America?   No, America is just the final gate to fall.  So, yes, this could be the time which Paul warns us in coming.


"the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, (4) who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God":  

 

We know that Paul is speaking of the Antichrist in this declaration.

     

So, Vic, when you tell us, "See 2 Thessalonians 2:3 & 4 for further information on the office of the Pope" -- are you saying that the "man of lawlessness" is THE POPE?  Are you telling us THE POPE is the Antichrist?   For I do not see anyone else described in this Scripture passage you offered as proof text of your claim about the Pope and the Papacy.

 

Perhaps you would like to reconsider your knee-jerk reaction to Head's post -- and take some time to study Scripture passages BEFORE you use them in an attempt to prove your point.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by smokey1:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

========================

You might be church of christ if:

You believe that the CHURCH OF CHRIST is the only church which correctly teaches and follows the Bible, yet you cannot explain how there can be other Christians in the world who do not believe and interpret the Word as you do.

___

And you might be are a crawfishing Catholic by posting that irrelevant assertion while ignoring the very probing and incriminating information I posted above,documenting without question that the pope is indeed worshipped by Catholics. Neither you nor Invictus have addressed the information I have provided on this issue because there is no way for you to refute what I have posted. 

 

 "...we specially venerate, worship, and adore thee!"

 

Can YOU man up, Smokey 1, where Invictus has not, or will you continue to "smokey screen" on this one? 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You know all of this is bogus anyway upperty.

Written in 1879 by the english in london, oxford and cambridge -

MDCCCLXXIX Chr. wordsworth, DD.

Propaganda from the people that were killing catholics on sight.

The same great people you come from and they know you will want to believe

every word of it. All you have is another sack of crap.

 

Would you expect anything different from hatemongers in the UK at

this period of time in history?

 

 


 

 

As for the Papacy, I'll go along with Jesus and the Church Fathers on this one.  Jesus made Peter head of the Church, as noted in Matt 16:18-19.  Jesus gave him the keys to the kingdom of heaven.  The Church Fathers knoew and unfderstood the primacy of Peter:  For example:

Cyril of Jerusalem said:  "In the power of the same Holy Spirit, Peter, both the chief of the apostles and the keeper of the keys of the kingdom of heaven, in the name of Christ healed Aeneas the paralytic at Lydda, which is now called Diospolis [Acts 9:32–34]" (Catechetical Lectures 17:27).

 

Ephraim the Syrian said: "[Jesus said:] Simon, my follower, I have made you the foundation of the holy Church. I betimes called you Peter, because you will support all its buildings. You are the inspector of those who will build on Earth a Church for me. If they should wish to build what is false, you, the foundation, will condemn them. You are the head of the fountain from which my teaching flows; you are the chief of my disciples. Through you I will give drink to all peoples. Yours is that life-giving sweetness which I dispense. I have chosen you to be, as it were, the firstborn in my institution so that, as the heir, you may be executor of my treasures. I have given you the keys of my kingdom. Behold, I have given you authority over all my treasures" (Homilies 4:1 [A.D. 351]).

Saint Ambrose of milan said:  "[Christ] made answer: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church. . . .’ Could he not, then, strengthen the faith of the man to whom, acting on his own authority, he gave the kingdom, whom he called the rock, thereby declaring him to be the foundation of the Church [Matt. 16:18]?" (The Faith 4:5 [A.D. 379]).

 

Thesae are but a few answers.  The understanding of the papcy dates back to Jesus, and continues today. 

Praised be Jesus forever!!

Hi Nathan,

 

You have quoted us from a bunch of Vatican generated writings, i.e., man-created, not God-created -- and declared, "See, I told you it is so!"

 

That has about as much authority as the writings of Joseph Smith and all the apostles of the Mormon church.

 

If you are going to speak with authority -- speak from the ONE book which has that authority -- the Bible, God's Written Word.   The Bible is the sole authority for salvation and for guiding our Christian walk, i.e., Sola Scriptura.  

 

All other writings are the opinion of men, oftentimes formed by life long brainwashing and false teachings.

 

So, if we are going to have a fruitful dialogue, it must stay with the Bible.  And, without the practice of Eisegesis, i.e., reading into Scripture what you want it to say; instead of reading out of Scripture what it does say (Exegesis).

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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The Bible is not the sole source of truth.  The Catholic Church is!     The Bible, sacred Tradition, and the writings of the earliest Christians testify that the Catholic teaches with Jesus’ authority. In this age of countless competing religions, each clamoring for attention, one voice rises above the din: the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). So any fruitful dialog must go beyond the Bible to consider ALL sources of truth.  And the Catholic Church has 2000 years of exigetical experience. 

One cannot limit God to a book.  He promised that the Holy Spirit would lead the Catholic Church to all truth.  He didn't put a timeline on it!!  Any fruitful discussion goes way beyond the 73 books of the Bible, and consider ALL TRUTH!!

Praised be Jesus forever!!

Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:

Nathan> The Bible is not the sole source of truth.  The Catholic Church is! 


wow Nathan, that almost took away my breath! some of us really are very different in our Christian beliefs. may God give us all clear discernment as we move into our destiny with Him. hg<><

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Nathan, though apparently a Catholic, is fundamentally confused about Catholic teaching on authority. .  Do not rely on Nathan.  His opening statement is that, "The Bible is not the sole source of truth.  The Catholic Church is!" But in the remainder of his diatribe, he implies that there is also truth to be found in the Bible.

 

Actually, the Catholic Church bteaches that both scripture and church tradition are authoritative.

 

Scripture, of course, is final and complete.  Catholic Church tradition is a "make it up as you go" kind of thing; thus we have "holy water," burning of incense, a concept of "saints" that is in conflict with the New Testament's concept of sainthood, and lots of other man-made aberrations.

 

Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:

Nathan> The Bible is not the sole source of truth.  The Catholic Church is! 


wow Nathan, that almost took away my breath! some of us really are very different in our Christian beliefs. may God give us all clear discernment as we move into our destiny with Him. hg<><

 

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Very well said hippiegirl!

Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by smokey1:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

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You might be church of christ if:

You believe that the CHURCH OF CHRIST is the only church which correctly teaches and follows the Bible, yet you cannot explain how there can be other Christians in the world who do not believe and interpret the Word as you do.

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And you might be are a crawfishing Catholic by posting that irrelevant assertion while ignoring the very probing and incriminating information I posted above,documenting without question that the pope is indeed worshipped by Catholics. Neither you nor Invictus have addressed the information I have provided on this issue because there is no way for you to refute what I have posted. 

 

 "...we specially venerate, worship, and adore thee!"

 

Can YOU man up, Smokey 1, where Invictus has not, or will you continue to "smokey screen" on this one? 


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A sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind.

Originally Posted by smokey1:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by smokey1:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:
Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:

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You might be church of christ if:

You believe that the CHURCH OF CHRIST is the only church which correctly teaches and follows the Bible, yet you cannot explain how there can be other Christians in the world who do not believe and interpret the Word as you do.

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And you might be are a crawfishing Catholic by posting that irrelevant assertion while ignoring the very probing and incriminating information I posted above,documenting without question that the pope is indeed worshipped by Catholics. Neither you nor Invictus have addressed the information I have provided on this issue because there is no way for you to refute what I have posted. 

 

 "...we specially venerate, worship, and adore thee!"

 

Can YOU man up, Smokey 1, where Invictus has not, or will you continue to "smokey screen" on this one? 


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A sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind.

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You upperty are doing what the founder of your church started by writing

whatever comes to mind about the Catholic Church. As I posted before:


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"You know all of this is bogus anyway upperty.

Written in 1879 by the english in london, oxford and cambridge -

MDCCCLXXIX Chr. wordsworth, DD.

Propaganda from the people that were killing catholics on sight.

The same great people you come from and they know you will want to

believe every word of it. All you have is another sack of crap.

 

Would you expect anything different from hatemongers in the UK at

this period of time in history?"

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Sites like these are for one reason only and that is to lie to ignorant

people, like yourself, in an attenpt to advance a man made religion

Jesus never sanctioned because more than One Christian Church

is nowhere to be found in the Bible or in the imaginary thumpings 

of your hate driven mind.

 

It's passed time for you upperty to man up, as you say, and put away

what you know isn't true. I know you aren't capable of doing that, so

you'll take all that baggage to your grave, bad move.

 

 





 

Invictuus blithers:

 

"You upperty are doing what the founder of your church started by writing

whatever comes to mind about the Catholic Church. As I posted before.

 

The founder of "my" church is Jesus Christ.  I have not checked to see what He personally might have said about the Catholic Church.  Some of his apostles wrote a lot about the kind of heresies the Catholic Church has produced.

Originally Posted by upsidedehead:

Upsidedehead states:  The founder of "my" church is Jesus Christ.  I have not checked to see what He personally might have said about the Catholic Church.  Some of his apostles wrote a lot about the kind of heresies the Catholic Church has produced.

 

A couple of errors here:  If you belong to the Church of Christ, you founder is Barton Stone.  1801 is a long way from Pentecost.  A lot of years unaccounted for there.  And the Catholic Church produced the New Testament.  We continue to address heresies daily, it seems.  OSAS, Rapture, etc.  No heresies here that we haven't settled long ago.  Just a lot of eisegesis going on.  Catholics wrote the New Testament, we decided what went in the New Testament, and what didn't go in it.  We are solely and uniquely qualified to interpret it. 

Praised be Jesus forever!!

 

Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:
Originally Posted by upsidedehead:

Upsidedehead states:  The founder of "my" church is Jesus Christ.  I have not checked to see what He personally might have said about the Catholic Church.  Some of his apostles wrote a lot about the kind of heresies the Catholic Church has produced.

 

A couple of errors here:  If you belong to the Church of Christ, you founder is Barton Stone.  1801 is a long way from Pentecost.  A lot of years unaccounted for there.  And the Catholic Church produced the New Testament.  We continue to address heresies daily, it seems.  OSAS, Rapture, etc.  No heresies here that we haven't settled long ago.  Just a lot of eisegesis going on.  Catholics wrote the New Testament, we decided what went in the New Testament, and what didn't go in it.  We are solely and uniquely qualified to interpret it. 

Praised be Jesus forever!!

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The widely-held notion that there are only two streams of Christianity, Catholic and Protestant, and that the former is the only one that can claim existence back to the Day of Pentecost is historically naive.  There have been many ancient and not-so-ancient religious groups and movements outside those boundaries.  There is an outstanding book on that subject, The Torch of the Testimony, by John W. Kennedy.  it is available on Amazon.com.  An introductory description from the Amazon.com web page:  
 

<<<The 2,000 year history of those Christians - and churches - that have stood outside the Protestant-Catholic tradition... Beginning in the first century John Kennedy traces the history of Christian groups who remained outside formalized religion down through the ages. A stirring, passionate and sometimes heart-rending story of suffering to the centrality of Christ within the Body of Christ.>>>

 

From the book:  "[W]here Christians are ready to accept the Word of God with a completely open heart and mind, and in a spirit of obedience, they will be led back to the simplicity of New Testament  times in the gathering of the church." (page 203).

 

The Catholic Church, with its pomp and ceremony, its "saints", its non-Biblical priesthood system, and all its other fanciful embellishmments and make-them-up-as-you-go doctrines, can make no claim whatsoever to have achieved "the simplicity of New Testament times in the gathering of the church."

 

Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:
 

And the Catholic Church produced the New Testament.  We continue to address heresies daily, it seems.  OSAS, Rapture, etc.  No heresies here that we haven't settled long ago.  Just a lot of eisegesis going on.  Catholics wrote the New Testament, we decided what went in the New Testament, and what didn't go in it.  We are solely and uniquely qualified to interpret it. 

Praised be Jesus forever!!

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I’m speechless! I started to say nothing because I felt that I would get the same generic answers I always get. But you know me, I can’t keep my mouth shut. I’m honest, I say what I think & that is why I’m disliked by the majority on here. Do I care? No! 

 

I see nothing wrong with Contendah saying Jesus is the founder of his church. There’s many denominations, & each has a different doctrine. If we were to ask who the founder of each church was, I’m sure all would say the same thing Contendah did, which was Jesus Christ. Right or wrong, that’s their faith & should not be made fun of or put down for it. How can that be a Christian thing to do? Possibly not truly a Christian?

 

You claim [we] are the one to solely and uniquely qualified to interpret the NT. Why wouldn’t God choose someone more loving, & not so judgmental?  How can so many Pastor’s think they are called to preach when they are evidently in the wrong church?

 

I used to have a problem with the COC because they were the most judemental as far as believing they are the only ones going to Heaven. No one has ever been able to show me where in the Bible, word for word, that God only intended there to be one church, or what church that was. (Church of God, Catholic, etc.?)

 

I have, thru my questions, been told those people that’s not part of that chosen church will not go to Hell. I don’t get it, why not? If God meant there to be one church & no other, then how can the people that’s not part of that one church, go to Heaven? Seems to be if He meant there to be one church, then those people that invented those other churches, are in the wrong & Hell bound.

 

Who would want to be part of a God that said, “this is the church, my chosen church, my only one”? “You don’t belong to it, I’m going to throw you in Hell? Don’t give a dam if you believe in me or not. You gotta be in the one church”. 

 

How would a person find out which one is the God chosen one? I’m not talking about giving me scripture & your opinion of what it means. I want God’s actual words of this is the church, (name) & that there is no other. 

 

There’s so many “Christians” out there trying to save my soul when, in reality, they’re not truly saved & going to Hell too.

I have a feeling there’s going to be a lot of shocked people standing before God someday.

 

(everything I said was said as though I know for sure that God exist)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Hi all,

 

To be "accused" of Eisegesis is one thing; to be a practitioner is another.   Eisegesis means to take a preconceived, biased theology or agenda -- and read that INTO Scripture.   This our Roman Catholic Friends must do to support their erroneous doctrines.

 

But, also, our legalistic Friends must also do this -- to support their unBiblical "baptismal regeneration" and other theological doctrines which look more like Old Testament Law -- than New Covenant Grace.

 

And, of course our liberal theology Friends have no problem with Eisegesis.  They just deny that Scripture, God's Written Word, the Bible -- is His inspired, inerrant, literal Users' Manual for salvation and the Christian life. 

 

To them, the Bible is just a good book, so they don't read anything into Scripture; they just ignore Scripture and chant, "Love is all it takes, love is all it takes!  Do good, brother!   Do good, sister!" -- and depend upon that to save them.

 

On the other hand, I believe you will find that most conservative theology Christian believers will be practicing Exegesis -- the practice of reading FROM Scripture the message and teaching intended by God through His human writer.  

 

In Scripture, when Jesus tells us, "He who believes HAS eternal life" (John 6:47) -- we believe Him.  We do not try to cram "works" into that -- nor do we try to spiritualize or symbolize it.  We read it as His literal statement.   And, that works our fine for us.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi myself, all I want to do is hear my lying self tell everyone lies.

 

 In Scripture, when Jesus tells us, "He who believes HAS eternal life" (John 6:47) -- we believe Him.  We do not try to cram "works" into that -- nor do we try to spiritualize or symbolize it.  We read it as His literal statement.   And, that works our fine for us.

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That's because billie-jez doesn't want anyone to know the complete thought

convaded from the meaning the author intented in the entire chapter.

 

bogus billie will take six words out of 72 verses and run with it like the fool 

he is. He can't be truthful about so many parts of the bible or it will expose

his false ideas. 


 

Hi Vic,

 

Trying to have a dialogue with you is like having a dialogue with a toilet -- the only positive result is the flush.   And, my Friend, that is the intelligence level of your comments.  For once, can you seriously try to participate in a discussion on an adult level?  

 

1 Corinthians 13:11, "When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things."

 

If only you could do this when you try to participate in a discussion -- our dialogues would be much more fruitful -- for you and for everyone else.   But, as long as you insist upon responding with school yard rants -- no one can dialogue with you.  So, my Friend, grow up and learn to participate as an adult.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi myself, all I want to do is hear my lying self tell everyone lies.

 

 In Scripture, when Jesus tells us, "He who believes HAS eternal life" (John 6:47) -- we believe Him.  We do not try to cram "works" into that -- nor do we try to spiritualize or symbolize it.  We read it as His literal statement.   And, that works our fine for us.

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's because billie-jez doesn't want anyone to know the complete thought

convaded from the meaning the author intented in the entire chapter.

 

bogus billie will take six words out of 72 verses and run with it like the fool 

he is. He can't be truthful about so many parts of the bible or it will expose

his false ideas. 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If only you could do this when you try to participate in a discussion -- our dialogues would be much more fruitful -- for you and for everyone else.   But, as long as you insist upon responding with school yard rants -- no one can dialogue with you.  So, my Friend, grow up and learn to participate as an adult

 

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So Said the snot nose cry baby.

When you are mentally able to take the entire chapter of John 6 and explain

it without your six word OSAS unbibical interpretation you will see it has 

nothing to do with fantasyland.

 

Then you could prove your ridiculous constantine theory about the

catholic church. Now I know you can't do either one without admitting

you are a liar.

 

So that's where we are you 80 year old boy child, if you were adult, you

wouldn't have the need to lie.





Hi all,

 

Oh, well, it was worth a try.  If we never ask, we will never know.  And, now we know that having an adult discussion with Vic is impossible.  But, no problem -- one can only rise to the level of his given intelligence.   And, Vic's level is obviously stuck at the "school yard rant" stage.   So be it!

 

Bless your stunted little heart!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

So Said the snot nose cry baby.

Then you could prove your ridiculous constantine theory about the catholic church. Now I know you can't do either one without admitting

you are a liar. So that's where we are you 80 year old boy child, if you were adult, you

wouldn't have the need to lie.

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Vic, this is none of my business but I'm going to jump in anyway. You say you are a Christian, but it doesn't come across in the way you talk to Billy. I am in no way defending the ole man because I know who he's a child of, & it ain't God.
If you are truly trying to reach Billy,  & to truly teach him, do you think he's going to listen to you with the way you come across? Or do you love to argue with him so much, that the argument & who "wins" it, is what matters to you?
You probably think I'm a good one to be calling you to task but I'm not a Christian & don't claim to be. I don't like Billy because he's a liar for Satan & I feel bad for those people that actually believe him to be a Christian.
From what I can gather you believe the Catholic church to be the only path to Heaven. Billy is determined to convince people of OSAS. What people don't realize is that's the job Satan gave him to do. You both are stubborn to a fault, & dam[n]ed if anyone gets in your way.
Watch Vplee, & listen. (gbrk doesn't do a bad job of it either) Billy doesn't listen to her either, (or gbrk) but she comes across to him & others in a more Christian manner, which I'm sure God prefers. He acts like he's scared to death to answer their questions. The fact that Billy makes fun of Catholics, & talks like he thinks you're all stupid, shouldn't mean anything. He is nothing so it shouldn't make a difference to you. He's definitely not going to listen to you.
I wish just once I could see a post of yours that was kind & encouraging, but then who am I? Nobody! Just another kid of Satan's. (and those of you that have accused me of having a pity party when I speak the truth? You're not invited!)
Oh, and Vic......have at me & give it your best shot. You won't be the first....or last. 
 
Anything I say concerning God/Jesus/Satan is discussed as though I believe they are real......I still don't know for sure. Looks like I'll never find out here.
 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

So Said the snot nose cry baby.

Then you could prove your ridiculous constantine theory about the catholic church. Now I know you can't do either one without admitting

you are a liar. So that's where we are you 80 year old boy child, if you were adult, you

wouldn't have the need to lie.

_______

Vic, this is none of my business but I'm going to jump in anyway. You say you are a Christian, but it doesn't come across in the way you talk to Billy. I am in no way defending the ole man because I know who he's a child of, & it ain't God.

 

I'm not talking to billie or anyone else as a christian that doesn't talk to me with a truthful attitude. Billie has told me he has lied and then continues to knowingly misrepresent the facts.





If you are truly trying to reach Billy,  & to truly teach him, do you think he's going to listen to you with the way you come across? Or do you love to argue with him so much, that the argument & who "wins" it, is what matters to you?

 

I'm in no way trying to reach billie, upperty or Qdog, I'm not trying to teach them anything. It's all about putting out the lying fires started by the three amigos. What they are doing isn't christian so don't be naive at what they are coming at me with.

 

You probably think I'm a good one to be calling you to task but I'm not a Christian & don't claim to be. I don't like Billy because he's a liar for Satan & I feel bad for those people that actually believe him to be a Christian.

 

Then you have no business telling me how to be a christian.

I'm only christian in my beliefs, I would reather be labeled a christian

in another place and time. This forum isn't christian, even the non-

christians but religious people are treated badly and as if they are hell

bound. I don't wish to be part of those people or their group. 

 

From what I can gather you believe the Catholic church to be the only path to Heaven. Billy is determined to convince people of OSAS. What people don't realize is that's the job Satan gave him to do. You both are stubborn to a fault, & dam[n]ed if anyone gets in your way.

 

I have never believed or said catholic is the only way to heaven. What you have gathered maybe, is a necessary defence I use for a defence. I have said that heaven was for everyone and no christian has the right to exclude others because of the way their christian minds think. I'm not going to be stubborn from the start, but when you cut me, I will try to take your head.

 

Watch Vplee, & listen. (gbrk doesn't do a bad job of it either) Billy doesn't listen to her either, (or gbrk) but she comes across to him & others in a more Christian manner, which I'm sure God prefers. He acts like he's scared to death to answer their questions. The fact that Billy makes fun of Catholics, & talks like he thinks you're all stupid, shouldn't mean anything. He is nothing so it shouldn't make a difference to you. He's definitely not going to listen to you.

 

Tell you what, you watch Vplee. I'm not the one confused here, Why haven't you, of all people, not listened to vplee or gbrk? If you know billie as well as you say you do, you could understand my position. Until you stand where I stand I don't expect you to take anything I say seriously. billie making fun of catholics isn't the point and that doesn't matter. It's the lies he and his amigos breathe everyday. You can't understand that because it ain't you. That's why it's so easy to tell anyone to ignore something that doesn't affect the person involved.

 

I wish just once I could see a post of yours that was kind & encouraging, but then who am I? Nobody! Just another kid of Satan's. (and those of you that have accused me of having a pity party when I speak the truth? You're not invited!)

Oh, and Vic......have at me & give it your best shot. You won't be the first....or last.

 

No, I don't believe I'll be doing that.

 

Anything I say concerning God/Jesus/Satan is discussed as though I believe they are real......I still don't know for sure. Looks like I'll never find out here.

 

The only way you'll start to know one way or the other is in the peace of your own presence free from everyday stuff. This ungodly forum is the last place to look.

 

I didn't think you would get what I was saying, just thought I would see what your answers would be anyway.

I'm not a Christian, & you won't see me pretending to be. It just amazes me to hear some of the things people pretending to be Christian's claim. But it takes all kinds to run this goofy world.

Have a good day, it's beautiful outside.

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