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What if Donald Trump is able to secure a verifiable agreement with North Korea that secures an agreement that they will cease their Nuclear ambitions?  What if Donald Trump is able to broker and secure an agreement that effectively secures an end to the Korean War as well as an unprecedented agreement between the North and South Korean people and governments that actually begins a peace process on that continent?  

Do you think Donald Trump will get praised for that?  Do you think Donald Trump will get credit for that and do you think Donald Trump will be a candidate to win the Nobel Peace Prize if such happens?   

Obama got a Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing, other than getting elected and potentially making a good speech and all that we have heard regarding Trump and his actions with North Korea and Kim Jong Un is how he's going to get us into Nuclear War and ruin relations with the North.  All Donal Trump has seemingly done since getting elected is to do exactly what he said he would do and be successful at those things he has had control over.  No Obamacare didn't disappear as promised and the wall hasn't been built yet and it appears Mexico isn't going to willingly pay for it but the economy and jobs are coming back with a vengeance and there is optimism regarding the economy that was all but extinct with Obama in the White House.  

We have had Presidents attempt to give away the house to North Korea to secure what Donald Trump appears to be on the edge of securing and yet all they have done is to boost North Korea's strength and military and give them a Nuclear Program.  It's sad when you have so many people so opposed to the person, Donald Trump, that they seek failure rather than success just in hopes that the man can be proven wrong.  it's not just Democrats and liberals either it's entrenched politicians that have long lived past their usefulness such as Mitch McConnell who, to Democrats, like Pelosi to Republicans, is the gift that keeps on giving.  

The thing that I find so optimistic about the pending talks and possible success that might be achieved is not what the effects will be on the World or that part of the World but how it will utterly destroy and annoy those who hate Donald Trump and cannot stand him.  I still do not think it's within the power of any of them to give him credit for anything and their only ability any more sets with actions and moves to attempt to get Donald Trump out of office. 

I, for one, am so glad Donald Trump was elected rather than Hillary who would have continued to destroy this nation and the view others had of it, from overseas.  I am satisfied with the job that Donald Trump has done and what annoys me is how utterly fixated so many are on destroying Donald Trump that they conceal any positive news regarding what he has done or is doing and they continue to keep coverage regarding him above the 90% negative range.  I honestly believe that many of these people would rather see America fail altogether if it secured a defeat for Donald Trump rather than see unprecedented growth and prosperity if it meant that Trump may get credit for it.  

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )
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Time, and the future achievements and/or failures, will define Trump's presidency.  At this point, it appears he is on track for a successful term but has plenty of Democrats and Republicans out to wreck that if possible.  

I don't see Trump as a politician and maybe that's a good thing.  For too long we have needed someone to run the country like a business and I believe Trump is attempting to do just that.  The problem with that is that Trump is not used to the roadblocks that politics throws in his way.  Some of those roadblocks are necessary and needed but others are frustrating Trump, I believe making his job more difficult.  I do though believe Trump has faced unprecedented opposition that no other President has ever had to face or endure and that means opposition coming from the media, opposition party and his own party members.  In the face of this opposition, continues to do that which is stated as being impossible or improbable such as establish talks with North Korea.   If those talks are successful I would not rule out a dialog with Iran although it's a totally different situation than North Korea.  

Br’er Rabbit posted:

After supporting the obstruction, by the Republicans, for the last 8 years, this is laughable.

 

I'm not trying to say that Republicans haven't tried to halt Obama's agenda but your being deliberately deceptive or are just not caring to be truthful with the forum.  Even if the Republicans, as a whole, were trying to obstruct Obama's agenda for the FIRST TWO YEARS of his first term Democrats had TOTAL Uncontested control of all of Congress and the executive. branch.  They (the Democrats) could have done anything they wanted regardless of Republican opposition including all the nations Ills that the Democrats point to including racial strife and other things that hold down the poor and middle class and the immigration woes.  The only thing they actually were able to accomplish was pushing through Democratic Healthcare (aka Obamacare) that cause most families, (including mine) monthly cost to double and deductibles (money directly out of our pocket before insurance ever takes effect) to quadruple.  

My families health insurance cost before Democrats forced their plan on us was $130 a month and after was $265.00 a month.  The Deductable my family had to pay BEFORE the Democrats got involved in my healthcare was $400 a year for my family and AFTER Democrats helped me out was $4,000.00 or 10 times the money out of my pocket thanks to the Democrats.

I SO WISH that the Republicans could have been obstructionist and prevented Obamacare.  I'm upset that they couldn't have prevented it or restored things to what they were before the Democrats messed things up.  SPIN IT AS YOU WANT but DEMOCRATS ARE TO BLAME for that HUGE financial burden on most families and not the Republicans.

 

You have your chance though... Just how did the Republicans have the opportunity to obstruct Obama and the Democrats the first two years of Obama's first term 2008-2010?  Democrats had total uncontested control and in fact, changed the rules allowing for simple majority votes where 60 vote majorities existed before so as to take full advantage of their numbers and enable them to pass Obamacare and eliminate the loss of Ted Kennedy's seat from having the effect of stopping it or being able to filibuster it.

Just how do you think the Democrats healthcare bill helped out the majority of Americans whose monthly insurance cost at least doubled or more and deductibles doubled to quadrupled or even more?  Hows Obamacare the Republicans fault?

Why are Republicans whining about Democrats cooperating. Republicans have full control of every branch of our government. Seems kinda strange to spend 8 years obstructing the previous administration and not expect the same treatment. If only there were some golden rule for treating people for the party of Religion.

Socialist Democrat heathcare from the Manchurian was never about
the health of the largest group of health insured dependents that
ever existed.
 
Illegal reparations of the white baby boomers was the name of that
money grab/scam as admitted from the wipehouse at that time.
 
What I do understand is the ignorance of the liberal not realizing
they're in the same pot as the rest of us. But it's a White only thing.
gbrk posted:
Br’er Rabbit posted:

After supporting the obstruction, by the Republicans, for the last 8 years, this is laughable.

 

I'm not trying to say that Republicans haven't tried to halt Obama's agenda but your being deliberately deceptive or are just not caring to be truthful with the forum.  Even if the Republicans, as a whole, were trying to obstruct Obama's agenda for the FIRST TWO YEARS of his first term Democrats had TOTAL Uncontested control of all of Congress and the executive. branch.  They (the Democrats) could have done anything they wanted regardless of Republican opposition including all the nations Ills that the Democrats point to including racial strife and other things that hold down the poor and middle class and the immigration woes.  The only thing they actually were able to accomplish was pushing through Democratic Healthcare (aka Obamacare) that cause most families, (including mine) monthly cost to double and deductibles (money directly out of our pocket before insurance ever takes effect) to quadruple.  

My families health insurance cost before Democrats forced their plan on us was $130 a month and after was $265.00 a month.  The Deductable my family had to pay BEFORE the Democrats got involved in my healthcare was $400 a year for my family and AFTER Democrats helped me out was $4,000.00 or 10 times the money out of my pocket thanks to the Democrats.

I SO WISH that the Republicans could have been obstructionist and prevented Obamacare.  I'm upset that they couldn't have prevented it or restored things to what they were before the Democrats messed things up.  SPIN IT AS YOU WANT but DEMOCRATS ARE TO BLAME for that HUGE financial burden on most families and not the Republicans.

 

You have your chance though... Just how did the Republicans have the opportunity to obstruct Obama and the Democrats the first two years of Obama's first term 2008-2010?  Democrats had total uncontested control and in fact, changed the rules allowing for simple majority votes where 60 vote majorities existed before so as to take full advantage of their numbers and enable them to pass Obamacare and eliminate the loss of Ted Kennedy's seat from having the effect of stopping it or being able to filibuster it.

Just how do you think the Democrats healthcare bill helped out the majority of Americans whose monthly insurance cost at least doubled or more and deductibles doubled to quadrupled or even more?  Hows Obamacare the Republicans fault?

How about this.... You do some research into which party catered to the insurance industry. How about you do some research into who allowed the insurance companies to divide up how 'state insurance exchanges' would be set up instead of a large pool of all insurance providers. You tell me who made sure there was no single insurance exchange to force all insurance companies to compete on a level playing field. IF you will answer those questions truthfully, you'll also answer your own question of what the Republicans had to do with the ACA.

I don't have to do research.  All I have to do is look at my past receipts and cost for Insurance that I paid.  ONLY AFTER Democrats enacted the changes to the system did cost increase by huge amounts.  Not only for me but for the vast majority of Americans.  I tried to be independent but when Democrats did this it's frankly going to be a very very very long time before I ever give them another chance and solely based upon the amount of money they have taken out of my pocket.   

Every Democrat that voted for the Healthcare bill deserves to be removed from their job for they did not represent the people they are responsible for the biggest cash grab and robbery from the American people that there is.  I don't credit the Republicans in this area that much either though.  First of all Justice Roberts soiled his reputation eternally by allowing this farce to continue when it was obvious to even a beginning law student that the founders never envisioned the federal government to have this much control and power over the American people.  Second, the Republicans have had the ability and where with all to eliminate this Democratic disaster yet they cannot do so or will not do so.  They may not be as guilty as the Democrats but they certainly have blood on their hands as well.  

What amazes me is folks like you seem totally blind to anything with respect to the party that you are aligned with.  You seem to never find fault with anything that the Democrats do and always support them 100% blindly, or so it seems from what I can remember.  If I am wrong and accuse you wrongly then I apologize but I believe there are good people on both sides and bad on both sides.  I do though think that even the good folks in the Democratic party failed all of us by allowing Democratic Healthcare to be enacted.  I believe they were just following orders and voted accordingly.  As huge as that bill was, and Nancy Pelosi said it so correctly (we have to pass it first in order to know what's in it) so many people that usually would represent their people districts voted for a horrible bill that penalized everyone but those that got freebies anyway and did so without ever knowing what they were voting for.  They, like many Democrats, BLINDLY  accepted the party line and platform and jumped over the cliff as they were instructed to do so. 

Thanks for telling me how I blindly follow a political party while you refuse to even acknowledge the most simple of facts. I can't comprehend how Republicans scream and whine about someone blindly following a party while ignoring facts because they disagree with their party affiliations.

Kraven posted:
I've told you before GBK, do you use your middle initial, when
you attempt to converse with an Alinskian it's the same as trying
to throw a boomerang at them, always comes back to you with 
lying crap all over it.... Defleck w/crapola....

Well advised, I might admit.  It's always amazing to me just how much more I get blamed with just by association and then there are some things that are so absurd that I won't even say comes out of the blue.  You'd be surprised just how many people have asked about the GBRK and where that came from.  As you surmised one of the letters is completely out of place but since I've used it as long as I have there's not since in changing it now.  

Then again is there any penalty for optimism, or just expectation of predictable results?  I do realize that chances are that the same stereotyping will continue to occur but I am always hopeful that at some point there may be a moment of compromise and understanding and avoid the continual impasse that we always seem to find ourselves reaching.  

I actually am very good friends with some very rigidly minded Democrats who are 180 degrees politically from where I usually am and we get along famously in person with mutual respect although politically our opinions put us on extreme opposite ends of the political spectrum.  One, in particular, is a gentleman whom I worked with who is a very good person and a great friend but I have no idea where he gets his political leanings from or why he feels the way he does politically.   Thankfully though we know enough about each other that our political feelings do not get in the way of our, very respectful, personal relationship.   Too many times though I fear that it seems far too many people allow their opinions to shape their relationships and taint opinions when it comes to pre-judging other forum members, often, that they do not know.  

I wonder if there was a large, offline, meeting if people could choose who was who, without introductions, before knowing who the actual person was?  Sometimes I think people would surprise themselves as to whom they would gel with in person as opposed to the impersonal way people communicate when they are impersonal and online.  I'm afraid I'd be a dead give-a-way.  I'd be the bag of wind that never would shut up and was opinionated about everything.  Then again some people are the exact opposite in person than their online personas.   

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