What if Healthcare was Reformed

If that is the republican plan, what took so long?

I don't believe ****head is off the pot yet.

I don't believe ****head is off the pot yet.

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What's the matter Jack, you can't answer your own BS posts? Resorting to insinuations and name calling? That's all I'd expect from you.

I did answer jt, until the idiot is out of the way not much progress is allowed.

You can't handle what's expected from me, because you can't deal with the

truth of the matter. You have 8 yrs. of total failure in the making, leaving you

without a leg to stand on.

Jack, I've talked to more and more people who are happy with this so called Obama care. They have better coverage, sometimes cheaper, sometimes the same. Before, they were paying for something that did not pay very well.

The greater majority of the country doesn't want it, your little biased clique

doesn't reflect what the overall nation would rather buy as a decent plan.

The back room deals obuma made the insurance companies sold the people

out. The WH even admitted, it's not really about healthcare, it's redistribution.

That would be the Redistribution of income and wealth including physical

property from some individuals to others by means of a social mechanism

such as taxation, monetary policies, welfare, land reform, charity, or plain 

confiscation.

Old jt sure does 'talk' to a lot of people. He can make his false claims by claiming someone told him or emailed him, but ask him to post proof and he starts whining about being attacked. 

I've not talked to a single person who has had a positive experience from BOcare.  Even my plan had a deductible increase of 15% and a premium increase of 25% this year.  Most I've talked to saw their deductible and premium double.  A friend who owns a small business had to drop her insurance and just get a major medical plan due to the premium/deductible increase.   Worst part is not all parts of BOcare are even in effect yet.

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Until they had both houses, no reason to hurry -- better to plan carefully, than in hidden haste as was the present plan.

Until they had both houses, no reason to hurry -- better to plan carefully, than in hidden haste as was the present plan.

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Now, they have both houses. Roll the improvement out. If they don't put it out, it just means they wanted a smoke screen and no substance. After voting to repeal Obama care fifty something times, it seems like they would have something ready to put out.

Jack and Best, before Obama care, how much do you think a good health insurance plan would have cost per month? I'm talking about one that would actually pay something. There was a lot of them that wouldn't pay very well.

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Portions are working their way thru three committees. Somethings are best done carefully and right,

jt,

Before the ACA I was paying about $1200 a month for coverage.  Being self employed, and buying thru a professional association, my insurance rates would vary a little every year, but stayed pretty stable.  We had a $2500 deductible. After the ACA, my insurance was terminated because the association could not provide insurance, or so they were told, under the ACA.  They have currently found a way around that, but in the meantime I went and purchased directly from BC/BS on the website. I got a similar plan, at a similar cost, with a little higher deductible, but better prescription medical plans. I would have been satisfied that it was a  wash.  However, every month now I get an additional charge of about $80 to my plan, and it is labeled as the required ACA tax. In essence I am paying almost $900 a year in additional taxes on my plan thanks to the ACA.

As a provider, I have certainly not seen much improvement in their payment schedules, the rapidity of their payments, nor the number of people with insurance.  We are seeing about the same amount of people without insurance as previous.  And more people are not paying because they have such high deductibles.

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I would be happy too if someone gave me a freebie:

Taxpayers will pick up the cost of 72 percent of the average premiums for customers who qualify for Obamacare subsidies using HealthCare.gov, the administration said Monday in a report that underscores the stakes in a looming Supreme Court case.

A wind come up. A wind to sweep away the communist and bring this country

back to the people who love freedom and the constitution, the way our fore

fathers found this country. This country of Americans for Americans only.

Portions are working their way thru three committees. Somethings are best done carefully and right,

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I hope they can devise something to help people get health coverage. From what I have read, we pay the most in the world for medical care and have worse infant mortality and shorter life spans than other nations.

BULL.

 I haven't heard that 'higher infant mortality rate' lie in a long time. I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not. After all it is jt, and he has the demmie "book of lies" in his hands at all times.

Progressives are master manipulators of statistics, Remember the so called rapidly rising sea levels graph, when it actually continues to rise at the same rate for the last 6000 years. 

My personal favorite is "the poor pay more income taxes".

BULL.

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Per Wikipedia:  2012, The U S  is #36 in life expectancy

                          2005-2010,  The U S is #34 in infant mortality

                          2011,  The U S  was #1 in health spending.

Best, what do you think the numbers are?

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Yes, and the rich got rich off the poor is another one that makes me laugh.

Life expectancy and span or two different things.  We have people in the US well over 100 years old (span).  Just fewer people make it to that age due to the things Dire already stated (expectancy).  It has little to do with the healthcare system.

Based on the diet and sedentary lifestyle of most Americans, the fact that we actually have a pretty decent life expectancy is a testament to how great our health care system really is was.

Infant mortality reporting requirements (select nations):

The global rate for infant mortality is 51 deaths per 1000.  The USA rate is 8 deaths per 1000.

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That and being rated second lowest for infant mortality, being behind New Zealand. Not sure who or what jt is blaming infants deaths on, but it has nothing to do with the medical care offered in the US, and he'd do well to research it before he got on here and posted yet more erroneous "information" (LIES).

Obama care ain't going to go away, trust me. Its working and the majority love it, even the liars on here love it. You heard it here.

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Hoob has hit on the other half of the equation.  The basis for measuring mortality among infants is different from nation to nation. 

BULL.

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Per Wikipedia:  2012, The U S  is #36 in life expectancy

                          2005-2010,  The U S is #34 in infant mortality

                          2011,  The U S  was #1 in health spending.

Best, what do you think the numbers are?

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U S life expectancy= 79.8 yrs, Japan=86.2 yrs

U S spends $8508, Japan spends $3213

U S has 5.4 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, Singapore has 1.92

Amazing, it was explained to JT why his statistics are not valid.  Yet, like a broken record, all he can do is return to the same old groove repeating the same thing over and over. The inability to learn from one's mistakes or the repeated mistakes of others appears to be a progressive syndrome 

As to Japanese healthcare, yes its cheaper, but there are problems of its own and not improving,

http://www.economist.com/node/21528660

jt is right as usual.

Amazing, it was explained to JT why his statistics are not valid.  Yet, like a broken record, all he can do is return to the same old groove repeating the same thing over and over. The inability to learn from one's mistakes or the repeated mistakes of others appears to be a progressive syndrome 

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Best and Dire, I posted what Wikipedia had on the subject. If y'all would get me the correct numbers, I will try to submit them to Wikipedia and get them to correct their web site.

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As far as I can find, there are no studies normalizing statistics between the nations, Best one could do for infant mortality is to compare those listed with the US on the Hoob's schedule, However, as life preserving protocols in the US are more stringent, even that comparison will not be perfect  Like I stated if we desire better statistics, the cost will be more dead babies

Jt is willfully ignorant. Notice too, he didn't say why the infants died. I wonder if he is counting the ones jerked from the womb or scissored through the head or murdered by their parents?