What if Healthcare was Reformed

Best and Dire, as I stated, I got the numbers from the World Health Organization web site. Both of you say they are wrong, but don't say what the correct numbers are. Can't you research? Do you want me to research for you?

I think the cause of death was cessation of bodily metabolism.

We are saying the statistics aren't normalized for all nations and protocols. Therefore, a direct comparison is not possible.

Jt has no idea how the real world works.

Jt has no idea how the real world works.

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I posted what Wikipedia had on their web site, you post what your opinion is.

Actually, we posted the facts behind the statistics,

Actually, we posted the facts behind the statistics,

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Dire, you're going back to the no, no, no and you are telling me I'm wrong to report Wikipedia stuff cause you don't think it's correct. That's what I believe you and Best are saying.

I don't know why the left keeps pushing the lie about the high infant mortality. Typical leftie logic, lie about, and act concerned about, infant mortality, then jerk them out of the 'hosts' womb in pieces, burn them with saline solutions to kill them, stick knives and scissors in their heads, or use other means to murder them. SMH

Best, still no facts, just your opinion

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Jt, Dire pointed out that the numbers had different starting points. It's like measuring temperature with the three measurement systems that I know, for the same temperature of the freezing point of water the numbers are 0, 32, and 273 (Kelvin).

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No jt, not my opinion. Plenty of facts, you just refuse them because for some reason that I can't figure, you want to keep pushing the lie. So stay willfully ignorant, but give up thinking you can put the lies over on people.

Explaining anything to jt is a waste of time. I really think he knows better but had rather spread the lies than tell the truth. Then again, there is that chance he is too dumb to grasp it. All he'd have to do is google/search and he'd find all he needed but he wants others to do that for him, post site after site, then he will still come back with 'nuh uh', all the while refusing to post links to any of the things he claims.

Everyone who thinks Wikipedia has the wrong numbers on their web site, please post the correct numbers. I did notice a lot of no, no, no without anything to back up the no, no, no. It's sort of like Obama care; no,no,no and no solution to the insurance problem.

jt,

The problem with the numbers being touted by Wikipedia is that the WHO (World Health Organization) does not have a standardized method for accounting the statistics. For instance in this country we collect data using the death certificate. 99% of most death certificates are signed with e term "cardiac arrest".  Duh, everyone essentially dies from cardiac arrest since in most cases when the heart stops beating the person dies. Some countries do not even use this type of data collection. For instance in some European countries if a baby is born before 36 weeks (typical gestaion is 40 weeks), those babies are thought to not survive, and rarely do they get supportive therapy. Since they are considered non-survivable, their deaths is not counted in the overall numbers.  In the US, we see babies which can survive, with invasive therapy, as early as 20-22 weeks. If those babies however succumb following a live delivery they are counted as fetal death, and therefore our numbers will look higher.  This country has an astounding record of fetal survivability if you actually matched apples to apples, and looked at the access to neonatal intensive care regiments we have in this country. Of all the death rates, I think we probably have a higher death rate due to cardiovascular disease than some countries, for the simple reasons such as diet, smoking, and lack of exercise. Unfortunately, access to healthcare is not going to solve those issues.

But to the original assessment. The numbers do lie when you actually compare them on a true basis.  Not all of the WHO numbers are collected on an even keel.

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Let me guess,  you have absolutely no training in political science ?

Like so much of your pointless life, you guessed wrong. And no, I didn't

take the photograph.

Jt

Over 165000 FedEx employees would disagree they had their coverage slashed to avoid the Cadillac Tax and now have a large out of pocket deductible when there was none and it cost more.  It is not a small price to pay for the employees and to boot they now subsidize others health coverage.

Devil is in the details or reporting in this case

The researchers compared data on infant health and mortality in the U.S.; Austria, whose rate of 3.8 is roughly average among European nations; and Finland, whose rate of 2.3 is one of the lowest in the world. One of the biggest differences, they found, was in the definition of what could be considered a live birth. “Extremely preterm births recorded in some places may be considered a miscarriage or still birth in other countries,” they wrote. Although the chance of survival for babies born before 23 weeks is low (the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that doctors don’t resuscitate babies born before that point), they’re recorded as live births in the U.S.

In the U.S., babies are mostly fine while they’re in the hospital and during their first days at home—but over time, that changes.

“There’s a viability threshold—we basically have never been successful at saving an infant before 22 weeks of gestation,” says Emily Oster, a professor of economics at the University of Chicago and one of the study authors. “When you do comparisons, if other countries are never reporting births before that threshold as live births, that will overstate the U.S. number relative to those other places, because the U.S. is including a lot of the infants who presumably existed as live births.”

This difference in reporting, they found, accounted for around 40 percent of the U.S.’s relatively high rate compared to Austria and Finland, a result supported by the CDC report—when analysts excluded babies born before 24 weeks, the number of U.S. deaths dropped to 4.2 per 1,000 live births.