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Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
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So, P.G.T. Beauregard's firing upon Ft. Sumter was a simple misunderstanding? And how was the South not being treated as equals?



You ask stupid questions, knowing the answer. I refer to your other posts about the North holding all the power of the vote.


Ooh, that hurt! Silly me, I thought that it just might be possible to have a civil debate with you. Keep living in your dream world. And yes, I know the answer. Slavery WAS the main cause of the CW, not a quest for power by the North (they already had it and would not lose it). Back to ignore you go.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
Good grief, we've gone from opinions on the Confederate flag, to a thesis on the cause of the Civil War, to a theological argument with a hard-line C of C'er. There's no point arguing with these folk, they are brainwashed into their "if it ain't in the New Testament, it ain't authorized" mentality. Besides which the thread has now entered the area of religion, which belongs in a separate forum.


It was not I who introduced the subject of the Christian Flag.

As to the Biblical basis for deciding what is and what is not authorized, you should not isolate a particular systematic as the province of one particular belief system. For example, the following is from a site maintained by proponents of Reformed (i.e. Calvinist) theology:


“The acceptable way of worshipping the true God is instituted by Himself, and so limited by His own revealed will, that He may not be
worshipped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scripture.”

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"It is time for those devoted to continuing the Reformation to revive commitment to
the regulative principle. The regulative principle has characterized our tradition for centuries, and we must stop yielding exclusive claim to it to those who have idealized its past
applications. We should move forward by applying it in new ways so that we may worship
God in the Spirit and in truth."

http://www.thirdmill.org/files....Pratt.Reg.Princ.pdf

SEE ALSO: http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_38.html
BETURNU: As we all have discovered; YOU ARE ONE SICK HUMAN BEING! No matter what the subject or discussion is about, you are going to find some way to try and cause hate and decinsion. (S/P). The mods seem to allow you to continue with your vile ramblings so the best i can do is hit the ignore button until you go away.
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Originally posted by pooh's dad:
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
Good grief, we've gone from opinions on the Confederate flag, to a thesis on the cause of the Civil War, to a theological argument with a hard-line C of C'er. There's no point arguing with these folk, they are brainwashed into their "if it ain't in the New Testament, it ain't authorized" mentality. Besides which the thread has now entered the area of religion, which belongs in a separate forum.


It was not I who introduced the subject of the Christian Flag.

As to the Biblical basis for deciding what is and what is not authorized, you should not isolate a particular systematic as the province of one particular belief system. For example, the following is from a site maintained by proponents of Reformed (i.e. Calvinist) theology:


“The acceptable way of worshipping the true God is instituted by Himself, and so limited by His own revealed will, that He may not be
worshipped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scripture.”

* * *

"It is time for those devoted to continuing the Reformation to revive commitment to
the regulative principle. The regulative principle has characterized our tradition for centuries, and we must stop yielding exclusive claim to it to those who have idealized its past
applications. We should move forward by applying it in new ways so that we may worship
God in the Spirit and in truth."

http://www.thirdmill.org/files....Pratt.Reg.Princ.pdf

SEE ALSO: http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_38.html
BETURNU: As we all have discovered; YOU ARE ONE SICK HUMAN BEING! No matter what the subject or discussion is about, you are going to find some way to try and cause hate and decinsion. (S/P). The mods seem to allow you to continue with your vile ramblings so the best i can do is hit the ignore button until you go away.


Well, ole son, as one of my favorite presidents used to say:

"IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, THEN STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN!"

I sense that those who seem least able to respond with SUBSTANCE to what I post also are most strongly disposed to unload insult and complaint my way. Why don't you gin up some gumption and try to rebut what I post instead of getting your panties all in a wad and posting your irrelevant bill of particulars?
Want to stir up crap? Then fly the Confederate flag, the old George Wallace one, not the one that was actually flown from CS Post offices and see what happens. Not liking to stir crap? Then put the bloody racist thing away.

Almost every secession ordinance mentions slavery as the proximate cause for secession and frankly, some like Alabama and Mississippi had no leg to stand upon, as that land which was now "sovereign" had belonged to the British Crown and then by the states of Georgia and North and South Carolina and purchased by the USA from those states and Spanish Florida and France and various Native American tribes or acquired by treaty with such entities.

Read the ordinances. It is quite easy to find them on line on the google tubes.
Some actually bought from the US from various tribes, notably the Chickasaws in Miss, Tenn, and here in Colbert and Lawrence Counties, the Chief Doublehead Cherokee tract was bought as well and I was careful to state "acquired by treaty" as a catch all for theft and ignored "killed and then stole what was not ours" on purpose. This being opposed to the Spanish who merely killed the men, then enslaved the kids and raped the women.
On a lighter note, I would like to recommend some humorous reading about the Civil War, specifically a little book published in 1964, entitled, "Will Success Spoil Jeff Davis?" The book, By Thomas L. Connelly, is out of print and might be hard to find, but the full text is onbline at
http://www.archive.org/stream/...il010147mbp_djvu.txt

Missing from the online version are the splendid cartoon-style illustrations by Campbell Grant, a prominent illustrator of that era, but the book is a nice, light escapist read that pokes gentle fun at the United Daughters of the Confederacy (the "Sobbin' Sisters of the Southern Secession"), Civil War historians, and the whole re-enactment thing.

A sample:

<<<The easiest way to publish something on the War is to submit an article to a historical journal. Better still, start your own journal. There are some two thousand in print and, judging by the tone of the articles, many of them are in need of material.
Journal writing has its advantages. If he cannot write good prose, the writer can bury himself in footnotes. The footnote is a clever device, designed to confuse the general reader and absolve the author of any lawsuits. For example, consider a typical footnote to
the statement "General Crumbley was a bastard."

34. Ibid, see also, Cornstalk, Bastards in Gray, loc. sic.*
op. sit., loc. site, sob. Many maintain that General Crumbley
was not a bastard. See Thirty Years 9 View by Mrs. Crum
ble y, op. sit., sic. hoc. Major Kumpley maintained that the
General may have been a bastard but that he was indeed
a "magnificent old bastard at that/* See diary of Isaac
Bumpley, Moose University Archives, XXCI, pt, 2, Sept.
21, 1863. In addition to being a bastard, the General was
also a Mason. See diary of Cornelius Kraut, 1st Wisconsin
Infantry, SWMVHR (XXI, Je. 45).>>>>

Do not misunderstand any of Connelly's work discussed here as a callous swipe at the South or at the war. Connelly, who died all too young, was a dedicated historian and the author of numerous scholarly, well-reviewed books on the Civil War. He served for a number of years as head of the history department at the University of South Carolina. He was my friend, schoolmate, and fellow prankster of many years growing up in Nashville, where his neighborhood contained several undisturbed earthworks from the Civil War period.

P.S. E-bay has this book:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...em&item=390038470101
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Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
Oh, I didn't realize we bought the land from the Indians. Roll Eyes



You use the pronoun 'we" as if any person on this forum had anything to do with what happened in history.No one here is responsible for what any of their ansestors did. Are you responsible for acts your father or grandmother did?No.
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Originally posted by Lawrence Black:
Personally I see it as a bad symbol,I love the south but the confederacy was on the wrong side of the war and plus LOST

Just curious because i was sent this PM


flhgrl

Posted 24 December 2009 12:06 AM
Sounds to me like you are a Black Man taking offense to this post!
If that is the way you think, then you need to go back to school and learn about history!!
Charlie is a good person that has been set up!
WE WILL PROVE THIS!!
Oh, and the FLAG will NOT COME DOWN!!

Registered: 13 March 2007


Hey! I got a PM from flhgrl too! It didn't make any sense though....cannot say my response was very nice either, but I digress....

Actually, the 'Confederate Flag' as we know it today was originally the guide-on for an Union Artillery Regiment that was picked up off the battlefield by a confederate soldier after theirs was burned during combat...so the irony of this particular flag having become such a divisive 'symbol' is certainly interesting...

As far as my personal opinion of the 'STARS N' BARS'....find me a truly happy individual, moreover, find a financially successful individual that wears this flag wrapped around his head, or on his shirt, stuck on his car, or displayed at his home or place of business...LOL, see? You cannot. Why would anyone hold on to something that means nothing in the grand scheme of life? (btw....IMHO financially successful does not equate to being able to afford 'the good seats' at a NASCAR race or a shiny new pickup truck either)
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Originally posted by MrPepper:
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Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
Oh, I didn't realize we bought the land from the Indians. Roll Eyes



You use the pronoun 'we" as if any person on this forum had anything to do with what happened in history.No one here is responsible for what any of their ansestors did. Are you responsible for acts your father or grandmother did?No.


WE...being the USA... Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
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Originally posted by Lawrence Black:
Personally I see it as a bad symbol,I love the south but the confederacy was on the wrong side of the war and plus LOST

Just curious because i was sent this PM


flhgrl

Posted 24 December 2009 12:06 AM
Sounds to me like you are a Black Man taking offense to this post!
If that is the way you think, then you need to go back to school and learn about history!!
Charlie is a good person that has been set up!
WE WILL PROVE THIS!!
Oh, and the FLAG will NOT COME DOWN!!

Registered: 13 March 2007


Hey! I got a PM from flhgrl too! It didn't make any sense though....cannot say my response was very nice either, but I digress....

Actually, the 'Confederate Flag' as we know it today was originally the guide-on for an Union Artillery Regiment that was picked up off the battlefield by a confederate soldier after theirs was burned during combat...so the irony of this particular flag having become such a divisive 'symbol' is certainly interesting...

As far as my personal opinion of the 'STARS N' BARS'....find me a truly happy individual, moreover, find a financially successful individual that wears this flag wrapped around his head, or on his shirt, stuck on his car, or displayed at his home or place of business...LOL, see?


See what?...I see that you made an absurd statement. I'm sure many that fly the confederate flag are happy as well as successful. Why do you show no respect for the dead?
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Originally posted by interventor12:
The stars and bars or first national is not the battle flag. The battle flag was square. The flag usually portrayed is the navy jack. This is the stars and bars.



The flag I posted was the Mississippi state flag in use today.

The people were allowed to vote on whether or not to change it, they voted to leave it be. On the other hand Georgia's Gov. took it on himself to do away with that states history concerning the flag.
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Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
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Originally posted by Lawrence Black:
Personally I see it as a bad symbol,I love the south but the confederacy was on the wrong side of the war and plus LOST

Just curious because i was sent this PM


flhgrl

Posted 24 December 2009 12:06 AM
Sounds to me like you are a Black Man taking offense to this post!
If that is the way you think, then you need to go back to school and learn about history!!
Charlie is a good person that has been set up!
WE WILL PROVE THIS!!
Oh, and the FLAG will NOT COME DOWN!!

Registered: 13 March 2007


Hey! I got a PM from flhgrl too! It didn't make any sense though....cannot say my response was very nice either, but I digress....

Actually, the 'Confederate Flag' as we know it today was originally the guide-on for an Union Artillery Regiment that was picked up off the battlefield by a confederate soldier after theirs was burned during combat...so the irony of this particular flag having become such a divisive 'symbol' is certainly interesting...

As far as my personal opinion of the 'STARS N' BARS'....find me a truly happy individual, moreover, find a financially successful individual that wears this flag wrapped around his head, or on his shirt, stuck on his car, or displayed at his home or place of business...LOL, see?


See what?...I see that you made an absurd statement. I'm sure many that fly the confederate flag are happy as well as successful. Why do you show no respect for the dead?


Absurd? You're "sure many that fly the confederate flag are happy as well as successful"? That is a horribly torpid generality. Surely you can come up with something more potent; at least something with substance? Here is your chance: Within the national (or international) context, name ONE truly financially successful individual that proudly displays the Confederate flag and that constantly spouts off about 100 year old 'Southern Pride' and about the general ideology that that sentiment entails...just one. This has nothing to do with having, or not having, 'respect for the dead.'
C'mon Surreal Justice, I am calling you out specifically; this is YOUR 'time to shine' (as you put it in another thread). My original statement was merely my personal opinion regarding the Confederate flag, which was the topic of this thread initially. As with this thread, you have displayed your desire to ignore the topic and have blazed through these forums for the last 2 months affronting anyone that will give you the time. For this reason alone I am taking umbrage at your comments herein and am now giving you that time (my apologies to everyone else for straying off topic).

Instead of participating within the context of this thread's topic, you assert that my statement is 'absurd'-so prove it. A retarded monkey can grunt out generalized garble amounting to more than you have managed thus far. I challenge you to post up something of substance that supports your typed drivel.

Allow me to help you on this one (since defining 'financially successful' is obviously a problem for you). Let us narrow things down a bit to make this easier: Name ONE person on the Forbes 'Rich List' or even a business owner or CEO of a Fortune 500 company that currently flaunts the Confederate flag and publicly espouses the typical ideology that is associated with it.
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
C'mon Surreal Justice, I am calling you out specifically; this is YOUR 'time to shine' (as you put it in another thread). My original statement was merely my personal opinion regarding the Confederate flag, which was the topic of this thread initially. As with this thread, you have displayed your desire to ignore the topic and have blazed through these forums for the last 2 months affronting anyone that will give you the time. For this reason alone I am taking umbrage at your comments herein and am now giving you that time (my apologies to everyone else for straying off topic).

Instead of participating within the context of this thread's topic, you assert that my statement is 'absurd'-so prove it. A retarded monkey can grunt out generalized garble amounting to more than you have managed thus far. I challenge you to post up something of substance that supports your typed drivel.

Allow me to help you on this one (since defining 'financially successful' is obviously a problem for you). Let us narrow things down a bit to make this easier: Name ONE person on the Forbes 'Rich List' or even a business owner or CEO of a Fortune 500 company that currently flaunts the Confederate flag and publicly espouses the typical ideology that is associated with it.


Now you want a fortune 500 flag flyer? Big Grin

Everyone of them...all 500...now YOU prove me wrong!
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Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
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Originally posted by interventor12:
The stars and bars or first national is not the battle flag. The battle flag was square. The flag usually portrayed is the navy jack. This is the stars and bars.



The flag I posted was the Mississippi state flag in use today.

The people were allowed to vote on whether or not to change it, they voted to leave it be. On the other hand Georgia's Gov. took it on himself to do away with that states history concerning the flag.



Georgia is a very progressive southern state. Mississippi is making progress, but still has a good way to go.
The conferderate flag represents the south that lost thousands of brave young men in a tragic war.To ignore this flag is to ignore these brave men.Let its display remind you of anything you want.Its like a gun it can be evil or good!i am a true southern son and proud of my south.If i don't like it i can always leave just as you rebel flag haters can!
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Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
It was over when you made your ridiculous statement about all the people that fly confederate flag are unhappy, unsuccessful rednecks.

I simply beat you at your own game by requesting an un-doable question.


That's not what I posted...but 'if the shoe fits'...

and...you are absolutely correct...you did 'beat me at my own game'...your level of apparent intelligence is of such magnitude that I cannot possibly compete...I'm in awe of your genius.
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
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Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
It was over when you made your ridiculous statement about all the people that fly confederate flag are unhappy, unsuccessful rednecks.

I simply beat you at your own game by requesting an un-doable question.




That's not what I posted...but 'if the shoe fits'...

and...you are absolutely correct...you did 'beat me at my own game'...your level of apparent intelligence is of such magnitude that I cannot possibly compete...I'm in awe of your genius.



At least you realize your limitations. Wink

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