What would it take to put America back where She needs to be in regards to the ideals She once possessed and projected to the rest of the world?
I am requesting a CIVIL debate, please.
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quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
It projected liberalism, individualism, freedom and a sense of risqueness as well as honest values which I believe were swallowed and destroyed by Corporatism and anything for the Bottom Line.
quote:We agree we need freedom but Capitalism is not freedom. It is an economic system that feeds on exploitation.
quote:Socialism is just a safty net and the government, by the people, running social services. European countries that use socialism have individualism and freedom.
quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
It projected liberalism, individualism, freedom and a sense of risqueness as well as honest values which I believe were swallowed and destroyed by Corporatism and anything for the Bottom Line.
quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
It projected liberalism, individualism, freedom and a sense of risqueness as well as honest values which I believe were swallowed and destroyed by Corporatism and anything for the Bottom Line.
quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
Even though I grew up in New York City and New Jersery we still valued the "Andy Griffith Show," but it wasn't the only show that inspired us either.
Our individualism was encouraged as well as our untiy as a people. We have been split between Liberal and Conservatives and pitted against each other.
I agree that while we lived the good life our government was lying to us and overthrowing governments and supporting repression and torture around the world but decided not to go there for the sake of a "civil" conversation.
If you watch YouTube video's and such you see our culture is dead and the rest of the world is moving on.
I believe a lot has to do with the demise of unions and decent living wages as well as Corporate domination of our lives.
What it would take to go back would be to stop fighting among each other and work to help each other lives a decent standard of living.
quote:Unions? Really? I am going to re-ask a question that never got a honest, non-jest response.
Tell me anyone, why does someone start a business? Seriously. What is the purpose of business? Do you really think it is for the purpose of hiring people? Really?
quote:Originally posted by dolemitejb:quote:Unions? Really? I am going to re-ask a question that never got a honest, non-jest response.
Tell me anyone, why does someone start a business? Seriously. What is the purpose of business? Do you really think it is for the purpose of hiring people? Really?
I imagine there are a variety of motives. I don't imagine hiring people is one of them.
quote:IF there is a real job, that means real work to be done ALREADY EXISTS. "Creating jobs" is socialist doubletalk.
quote:I was approached by a young man once with an agenda. His question was, "Don't you want to go back to the Constitution as the founding fathers wrote it?" (Trick question - without the admendents of course.) Give up my right to vote? Not on your life!
It took until 1920 to get that little bit of fairness taken care of.
quote:The times, places, and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives shall be prescribed in each state by the Legislature thereof;...
quote:Each State shall appoint, in such a manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,a number of Electors...
...The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons...
quote:The 19th Amendment, passed by meddling progressives in 1920, denied the States' the right to decide for themselves.
quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
People start businesses to make money, sadly few care about workers and see them only as tools to be exploitated to make money then to be disgarded.
Unions protected workers and made sure we had a decent life style and share for our labor, part of what made Ameica.
The workers built this country, giving working people a fair share for their labor would be a way to return to values that helped make this a great country.
Eqaulity in rights also.
quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
Even though I grew up in New York City and New Jersery we still valued the "Andy Griffith Show," but it wasn't the only show that inspired us either.
Our individualism was encouraged as well as our untiy as a people. We have been split between Liberal and Conservatives and pitted against each other.
I agree that while we lived the good life our government was lying to us and overthrowing governments and supporting repression and torture around the world but decided not to go there for the sake of a "civil" conversation.
If you watch YouTube video's and such you see our culture is dead and the rest of the world is moving on.
I believe a lot has to do with the demise of unions and decent living wages as well as Corporate domination of our lives.
What it would take to go back would be to stop fighting among each other and work to help each other lives a decent standard of living.
quote:People start businesses to make money, sadly few care about workers and see them only as tools to be exploitated to make money then to be disgarded.
quote:Unions protected the workers and helped provide a decent wage for their labor. We are now pitted against sweatshop labor under repressive or authoritarian governments as to who will work for the least and give up the most and what country will give the most tax breaks and exemptions from environmental laws.
quote:After all, global poverty is not something recently invented for the benefit of multinational corporations. Let's turn the clock back to the Third World as it was only two decades ago (and still is, in many countries). In those days, although the rapid economic growth of a handful of small Asian nations had started to attract attention, developing countries like Indonesia or Bangladesh were still mainly what they had always been: exporters of raw materials, importers of manufactures. Inefficient manufacturing sectors served their domestic markets, sheltered behind import quotas, but generated few jobs. Meanwhile, population pressure pushed desperate peasants into cultivating ever more marginal land or seeking a livelihood in any way possible--such as homesteading on a mountain of garbage.
quote:The benefits of export-led economic growth to the mass of people in the newly industrializing economies are not a matter of conjecture. A country like Indonesia is still so poor that progress can be measured in terms of how much the average person gets to eat; since 1970, per capita intake has risen from less than 2,100 to more than 2,800 calories a day. A shocking one-third of young children are still malnourished--but in 1975, the fraction was more than half. Similar improvements can be seen throughout the Pacific Rim, and even in places like Bangladesh. These improvements have not taken place because well-meaning people in the West have done anything to help--foreign aid, never large, has lately shrunk to virtually nothing. Nor is it the result of the benign policies of national governments, which are as callous and corrupt as ever. It is the indirect and unintended result of the actions of soulless multinationals and rapacious local entrepreneurs, whose only concern was to take advantage of the profit opportunities offered by cheap labor. It is not an edifying spectacle; but no matter how base the motives of those involved, the result has been to move hundreds of millions of people from abject poverty to something still awful but nonetheless significantly better.
quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
I said I grew up in New York City and New Jersey, I didn't say I am from there now. And I have mentioned it before even stating my brother went to Alabama State Collage.
Workers not only provide "muscle" they provide skills. Unions were crippled by jobs moving over seas and Trade Agreements like NAFTA and the World Trade Organization (WTO).
Unions protected the workers and helped provide a decent wage for their labor. We are now pitted against sweatshop labor under repressive or authoritarian governments as to who will work for the least and give up the most and what country will give the most tax breaks and exemptions from environmental laws.
I believe a step in reuniting Americans and restablishing the "old America" is to provide a solid and safe environment for working people and rebuilding the middle class.
Today we need International Unions.
quote:A number of Unions were corrupted but so is the US Congress and Wall Street.
We just experienced a "real world examples" with the latest crash of Capitalism. Unions are not corrupt now and oversight and real democracy can help prevent that. An Honest Media also can keep them honest instead of a Corporate Media who's motives are also corrupt.
Corporate Globalization has been destroying small businesses, I work in a small business and it gets tougher every year to compete. Even in the Shoals area.
You think it's fair the American worker should lose their jobs so a company can send it's work overseas and use sweatshop labor?
Or American workers have to compete with sweatshop labor?
It's been destroying America right now if you want "real world examples."
quote:People do advance and there is no need for cross training because there are enough workers to train new people. I have worked in union businesses. It's ridiculous what you say. Productivity is not limitd and wages are fair, not inflated.
quote:Companies moved overseas to increase profits or now because they can't compete with sweatshop labor, that's the biggest problem. They use unions as a scapegoat. It's why we have an such a large wealth gap between the very wealthy and the rest of us.
quote:Ask a worker who lost his job to out sourcing if he was over paid and under worked? It's just propaganda.
quote:Companies moved overseas to increase profits or now because they can't compete with sweatshop labor, that's the biggest problem. They use unions as a scapegoat. It's why we have an such a large wealth gap between the very wealthy and the rest of us.
quote:Do you think it's fair for businesses to move overseas to increase profits or American workers having to compete with sweatshop Labor?
quote:Most of these countries they move to have corrupt and repressive or authoritarian governments. That's why there are no unions.
quote:If Capital can go international so can unions.
quote:Socialism doesn't prevent productivity or advancement.
quote:It protects the people with a safety net and ensures we have an equal chance to our rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.