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Originally posted by Doctor_Halloween:
I just would like to say I am not the example and witness and example i am commanded to be lately, BUT there is a rite and a wrong way to confront people when it comes to devient rebelious sinful homosexual lifestyles. These people are not handeling it like they should. I appreciate their stand on the truth but the angry way they are adressing it is wrong to me. The bible does say that homosexuality is an abomination. They come across as careless and angry. The rest of the world sees what we confessing believers do and how we walk out our faith daily! Thank you for your attention.



I think this says alot.
“Never seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone, but love your neighbor as yourself.

If a child grows up in an environment of criticism, the child will learn to criticize.
If a child grows up in an environment of hate, the child will learn to fight.
If a child grows up in an environment of shame, the child will learn to feel guilty.


If a child grows up in a praising environment, the child will learn to appreciate.
If a child grows up in an encouraging environment, the child will learn to be confident.
If a child grows up in an environment of understanding, the child will learn to be patient.
If a child grows up in a just environment, the child will learn to be fair.
If a child grows up in a secure environment, the child will learn to trust.
If a child grows up in an approving environment, the child will develop self-esteem.
If a child grows up in an environment of acceptance and friendship, the child will learn to find love in people.
http://achristian.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/why-does-the...ay-to-love-yourself/
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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The CoC says everyone else if going to hell. All the fundies agree that Catholics are not true Christians. Everyone agrees that Jews are going to hell. Everyone agrees that these hate mongers from Kansas are doing the Devil's work just as fervently as the hate mongers believe everyone else is going to hell.

Baptists think those New Age "feel good" worship services that include drinkin' and dancin' will put you in the oven and Mennonites think Bill Gray all of us using this technology to share the gospel are going to hell.

Every one of these groups have one thing in common: They all say the others aren't "True Christians." Yep, everyone believes that everyone but themselves is going straight to heyull.

And they all can point to straight to the words of Jaysus Himself that absolutely proves the point.



No, if they really looked at the words of Jesus, they wouldn't be judging others like that. That's why I left the CoC and have been very picky about finding my own church.

Anyone can take verses out of context. To be a Christian means to follow Christ, not some preacher. To do that means you learn and follow His teachings, not the rules of a church or what some preacher says.



Nash, Don't get the big head,I agree! lol
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If a child grows up in an environment of criticism, the child will learn to criticize.
If a child grows up in an environment of hate, the child will learn to fight.
If a child grows up in an environment of shame, the child will learn to feel guilty.


If a child grows up in a praising environment, the child will learn to appreciate.
If a child grows up in an encouraging environment, the child will learn to be confident.
If a child grows up in an environment of understanding, the child will learn to be patient.
If a child grows up in a just environment, the child will learn to be fair.
If a child grows up in a secure environment, the child will learn to trust.
If a child grows up in an approving environment, the child will develop self-esteem.
If a child grows up in an environment of acceptance and friendship, the child will learn to find love in people.



RIGHT!

And to add...

if a child grows up in an enviroment of homosexual approval?????

People like Joy and Kindred create such an enviroment.

They couldn't get a clue if they smeared their bodies with clue musk, and did the clue mating dance, in a field full of horny clues at the height of clue mating season.
Let's say you're sitting in traffic court. You're in a room full of people and you're all waiting for the judge to call your name.

As you're waiting, you notice a guy who is also in the waiting area pointing out people and yelling "Guilty as charged! Pay the fine plus court costs! Bailiff, remove them from the court!" Most people are ignoring him. What do you think the judge thinks about him?

I'm in the waiting area as well. I'm not worried, because I've got a lawyer working pro-bono who's guaranteed I'll have my case dismissed. I let the folks around me know that if they talk to him, they can have their cases dismissed as well.

Some people say no thanks, some laugh and say there is no such thing as a pro-bono lawyer, others say I'm as dumb as the guy yelling "Guilty" at people. I don't let it bother me and I don't press the issue. I just let them know he's available, it's up to them to decide to talk to him.

A few take me up on the offer, talk to the lawyer, and come back knowing they've got nothing to worry about anymore. They know they've got excellent representation and their case will be dismissed.

That's what being a Christian is.
This subject about this particular church group hating homosexuals is a fine example of radicals and extremists. You have them on the conservative side as well as the liberal side.

Lets take this particular church group. They are conservative to the extreme. They vote republican. Why do they vote republican? Because the democrats support the gay marriage thing. This is the very thing that I've been trying to get your attention to about these types on both sides of the isle. Now just because they vote republican doesn't mean that all republicans think the way these people think. I think most republicans or democrats on this message board anyway, votes from the center and that is cool. I think when you get too far to the left or right, it becomes dangerous. You will have some republicans tell you that these people are not republicans. And you will have people to tell you that Pat Robertson is not republican but that is wrong. Your extremists on the Christian side would like to have the Bible as their United States Constitution. Your extremist wrap themselves in the flag only to spit on the Constitution. Then they call themselves patriotic. The extremist wave the American flag but refuse to go fight for their country. The extremist support the war but not the troops. Just remember too far to the left, you've got communism. Too far to the right, you have facisim. And both are dictatorship.
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Lets take this particular church group. They are conservative to the extreme. They vote republican.


Wrong.

From Southern Poverty Law Center.

"Phelps provides rooms for Democrat Al Gore's presidential campaign workers. Though the Phelps-Gore connection will grow increasingly distant, Phelps' oldest son, Fred Jr., is invited to the first Clinton-Gore inauguration in 1993.

By 1998, Gore will be seen as such an enemy by WBC that its members picket the funeral of Gore's father.

1990
Phelps, undertaking a run for governor of Kansas, begins disseminating flyers attacking his gubernatorial competitors and other state politicians in unusually personal terms. He loses the Democratic primary, but garners 11,634 votes, 6.7% of the total.

1992
Running for the U.S. Senate, Phelps gets a remarkable 30.8% of the ballots cast in the Democratic primary even as he terms his opponent a "bull ****" [sic].

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=184

Fred Phelps, the leader of this cult, was involved and supported the Democrats. However, as he sinks even deeper into depravity, he supports no political party.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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Lets take this particular church group. They are conservative to the extreme. They vote republican.


Wrong.

From Southern Poverty Law Center.

"Phelps provides rooms for Democrat Al Gore's presidential campaign workers. Though the Phelps-Gore connection will grow increasingly distant, Phelps' oldest son, Fred Jr., is invited to the first Clinton-Gore inauguration in 1993.

By 1998, Gore will be seen as such an enemy by WBC that its members picket the funeral of Gore's father.

1990
Phelps, undertaking a run for governor of Kansas, begins disseminating flyers attacking his gubernatorial competitors and other state politicians in unusually personal terms. He loses the Democratic primary, but garners 11,634 votes, 6.7% of the total.

1992
Running for the U.S. Senate, Phelps gets a remarkable 30.8% of the ballots cast in the Democratic primary even as he terms his opponent a "bull ****" [sic].

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=184

Fred Phelps, the leader of this cult, was involved and supported the Democrats. However, as he sinks even deeper into depravity, he supports no political party.



Nash, This group supported Bush. They interview Fred Phelps, the leader of this cult,and he said on the news when all this first made the news that they were very conservative and how Bush was going to put a stop to gay marriage.

They may be some posters that might remember that interview and can help me out as to when it came about.
Anti-Gay Hate Group Says Fred Thompson Shares Their Values


Anti-gay church: Thompson agreed with us


NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Members of the anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church are urging Fred Thompson to support their stance on homosexuality -- a position on which they say the Republican presidential candidate once ''saw eye to eye'' with them.


Thompson was hired for a mid-1980s legal case in Kansas on the recommendation of Margie Phelps, daughter of Westboro founder Fred Phelps.


The Topeka, Kan.-based church is now best known for protesting at soldiers' funerals, claiming their deaths are retribution for the nation's acceptance of homosexuality.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/65534/
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Originally posted by Invex:
RIGHT!

And to add...

if a child grows up in an enviroment of homosexual approval?????

People like Joy and Kindred create such an enviroment.

They couldn't get a clue if they smeared their bodies with clue musk, and did the clue mating dance, in a field full of horny clues at the height of clue mating season.


Lovely work of fiction there, Invex. I am a little confused by your obvious conflict in morality. You criticize those that you would consider repulsive and then proceed to speak in a repulsive manner. Either you are quite confused spiritually or you are a troll.

If you are not a troll, PLEASE tell me that you do not actually approve of this church's actions. They couldn't be more in error if their abject goal was to see how contrary to the Word of God they could act.
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Originally posted by PBA:
Anti-Gay Hate Group Says Fred Thompson Shares Their Values


Anti-gay church: Thompson agreed with us


NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Members of the anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church are urging Fred Thompson to support their stance on homosexuality -- a position on which they say the Republican presidential candidate once ''saw eye to eye'' with them.


Thompson was hired for a mid-1980s legal case in Kansas on the recommendation of Margie Phelps, daughter of Westboro founder Fred Phelps.


The Topeka, Kan.-based church is now best known for protesting at soldiers' funerals, claiming their deaths are retribution for the nation's acceptance of homosexuality.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/65534/


Original Story:
http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/274775.html

Thompson campaign spokeswoman Karen Hanretty on Wednesday dismissed the church as ``a radical fringe group, looking to draw attention to themselves.''

''Their behavior at the funerals of fallen soldiers is disgraceful and reprehensible,'' she said. ``In no way do these people share Fred's values.''

PBA, the orginal story this blog is quoting from kind of debunks that myth. He simply represented them as an attorney. That was his job.
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Nash, here is your proof!
Bill O’Reilly cites Fred Phelps as his example of Right wing hate for “balance”


Radical blogs and leftist web sites are not proof. As Joy proved, they twist the facts of the real story to push their own agenda.

Altertnet's goal was to try and discredit Thompson by making it appear he's in league with those people, which anyone with half a brain knows is not true. The other site you linked is just moonbats sharing opinions with other moonbats. That's hardly proof.

To get the conversation back on track, these people do not represent anyone but their own little family cult. They are not an example of Christianity, they are not an example of republican, democrat, or any political party. They are an example of lunacy and mindless hate, that's all.
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Originally posted by Invex:
if a child grows up in an enviroment of homosexual approval????? People like Joy and Kindred create such an enviroment.


Hah! My patience paid off. I just KNEW one of you fundies would eventually get to calling my Joy a heathen.

Joy represents the best of the best of what a Christian should be (to me, anyway). Patient, intelligent, devout, unshaken and infuriatingly steadfast in her beliefs.

Yet here is Invex telling this wonderful woman that she, too, does not follow the teachings of his Jayzus.

If you are all "right" then you are all wrong.
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by NashBama:
They are an example of lunacy and mindless hate, that's all.


But they can back up every one of their stances with verses from the bible. That makes them righteous, doesn't it?


No, that makes them in the big fat trouble, as my little girl used to say. Rev 22:18-19 says "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

Now, I know that is in reference to the vision given to John regarding end times events, but God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. You are taking a huge chance as a believer if you are guilty as charged of adding to or taking away to suit your selfish wants. These people cannot justify their actions unless they add to or take away from God's Word. Taking a verse out of context or ignoring all that God's Word has to say on a subject in order to inject your agenda into it's meaning not only labels you a fraud but comes with a heavy sentence in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Peace Brother:
Alls I can say is that if a friend or relative of mine was killed in Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else, and these jokers dared to show up at the funeral to protest, the next funeral they'd be protesting at would be their own!

OK, not really, after all, I AM a peaceful, nonviolent kind of person..... Wink




Fred Phelps as his example of far right wing hate for sure, and most likely are part of the KKK.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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The CoC says everyone else if going to hell. All the fundies agree that Catholics are not true Christians. Everyone agrees that Jews are going to hell. Everyone agrees that these hate mongers from Kansas are doing the Devil's work just as fervently as the hate mongers believe everyone else is going to hell.

Baptists think those New Age "feel good" worship services that include drinkin' and dancin' will put you in the oven and Mennonites think Bill Gray all of us using this technology to share the gospel are going to hell.

Every one of these groups have one thing in common: They all say the others aren't "True Christians." Yep, everyone believes that everyone but themselves is going straight to heyull.

And they all can point to straight to the words of Jaysus Himself that absolutely proves the point.



No, if they really looked at the words of Jesus, they wouldn't be judging others like that. That's why I left the CoC and have been very picky about finding my own church.

Anyone can take verses out of context. To be a Christian means to follow Christ, not some preacher. To do that means you learn and follow His teachings, not the rules of a church or what some preacher says.


Nash, are you one of those "red-letter" Bible readers, the ones who don't believe it unless Jesus says it? As for me, I believe it all. If I were God (and I'm certainly not), I might do things differently, but I'm sure He knows more than I.
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Nash, are you one of those "red-letter" Bible readers, the ones who don't believe it unless Jesus says it? As for me, I believe it all. If I were God (and I'm certainly not), I might do things differently, but I'm sure He knows more than I.


Yes, being a Christian means you believe in what Jesus taught and follow his teachings. Is there something wrong with reading on my own instead of what some preacher wants me to believe?

You believe all of what?
Originally posted by Joy:


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Lovely work of fiction there, Invex. I am a little confused by your obvious conflict in morality. You criticize those that you would consider repulsive and then proceed to speak in a repulsive manner. Either you are quite confused spiritually or you are a troll.

If you are not a troll, PLEASE tell me that you do not actually approve of this church's actions. They couldn't be more in error if their abject goal was to see how contrary to the Word of God they could act.



You consider my language repulsive? To each his own I guess. I should of said 'in heat'.

No, I don't approve of this group disrupting funerals...never even hinted I did. I do approve of their message though.

The bible says to spread the word...it doesn't say "just leave them alone".

Matthew 28 v 19-20

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."


James 1 v 22

"But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves."

Not once do I see where the bible says , concerning homosexuality, to "just leave them alone". I do see where it says it is an abomination though.

And don't say it is not your place, it is Gods.

"BE YE DOERS OF THE WORD NOT HEARERS ONLY"

TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS I HAVE COMMANDED.

Wheter or not Phelps is right or wrong, the bible doesn't cover things like that (that I know of). It does say for YOU not to judge them though.

And BTW...the bible says its not for you to judge my morality either.

I am not Christian, Muslim, or anything. My God is not in the book publishing business. That allows for far too many hypocrites.
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Invex, I don't think I recognize you as an authority on Christian religious matters.


Is there someone posting here that you do feel is an 'authourity? Is there anyone in the world?


I have read the Christian bible, I have also read the Koran. I think I have just about as much right as anyone to state my views.

Is there some particular reason you posted this statement, other than you are hating, but don't have the intelligence to say anything else?
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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Did Jesus do away with anything in the old testament?


Yes, quite a bit. His death is the new covenant, in other words he did away with the old laws and He is the new law. Those who believe that are Christians, those who don't and still follow the Old Testament are Jews.



Nash, Are you church of christ? You have other faiths who think you should go by the Old Testiment besides the Jews. Many still think we should stand by Israel because they think the Jews are God's chosen people and that changed under the new law.
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