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Lawrence Krauss, a devout atheist, is Foundation Professor in the School of Earth and Space Exploration and Director of the ASU Origins Project at Arizona State University. He is the only physicist to have received the highest awards from all 3 major US professional physics societies

 

Krauss states "when computers [within 10 years] have a conscience we will consider them as a living thing"

Krauss also states that in the event computers are conscience life without humans is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

Your thoughts please.

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I don't see computers ever having a conscience whether is 10 or 10,000 years. It is a machine. The only thing it can do is follow programing. If the program is detailed enough, the machine will appear to 'learn' but it's still just a bunch of 1's and 0's turned on or off.

The origin of life only has two possibilities, spontaneous generation or creation from a supernatural being.

Neither one seems a logical path.

But logic is not part of religion and faith is not part of science.

If they did somehow have a conscience (might not have one as we think of it, but rather software that  considers harm to others and rejects those options...perhaps that is what he meant by conscience?) that would be programming, but I wouldn't have a problem working with them and even if there were a legitimate reason thinking of them as living.  I can't see that happening in ten years by any means, but IF that were the case then I would deal with it as I saw fit.  Life without humans?  Well, there was a time we weren't on the planet and there will be a time when we aren't any more, so if the computers have adapted to remain I say good for them.  I wouldn't be here by then anyway, so I wouldn't be too upset

 

I don't understand what his last sentence means really unless he meant conscious?  Really being a physicist has little to do with anything about the person's reasoning skills in other areas.  I remember one day coming in to find my physics professor (his PhD was from Princeton mind you) standing at his private staff bathroom door looking sad.  I asked him what the problem was and he said the door was locked.  I asked him why didn't he just get the key from his office and unlock it, and he looked at me as if I had invented fire or something, said, "Ohh, I didn't think of that" and went to get it.  Took me a moment to absorb that a guy who was a wonderful professor, generally smart guy, and a great physicist couldn't figure out how to get his bathroom door open.  I am not joking or exaggerating at all.  I was speechless for awhile on that one..lol.

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

A conscience refers to a sense of right and wrong. Having a conscience involves being aware of the moral rightness or wrongness of one’s actions, or the goodness or badness of one’s intentions. 

Seems to me before they could be considered a living thing, they would have to have a soul.

 


I see what you mean, but if that were the criteria, then what about organisms that many don't consider to have souls.  Plants, lower animals, and some would say the higher level animals as well are considered by some not have to have souls.  Wow...can you imagine the mess it would be trying to get them recognized as living beings?  This reminds me of an episode of Star Trek TNG.

Hi Lexum,

You ask, "Where does life come from, if not from God?"  

That is simple! "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"  (Genesis 1:1)

Then, we read:

Genesis 1:24-25, "Then God said, 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind;' and it was so.  And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind.  And God saw that it was good."

Genesis 1:26-27, "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.'    So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Genesis 1:28-30, "Then God blessed them, and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.'  And God said, 'See,  I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it  shall be for food.  Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food;' and it was so.

Genesis 1:31, "Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very goodSo the evening and the morning  were the sixth day."

Yes, my Friend -- it was ALL created by God -- living plants, living animals, living fish and fowl, and living human beings.  None of this came from lifeless simple cells floating in a swamp.  It all came from the being of God.

And, yes, He did it all in SIX LUNAR DAYS of 24 hours each.  Then He rested on the seventh day -- and, we are still in that seventh day rest.  But, one day we will ALL go to our eternal home.  One will be Paradise; the other Hell.  The beauty of God's plan is that every single person gets to CHOOSE which eternal home he/she wants.  Isn't that fantastic -- that we can choose to spend eternity in Paradise with God.

Of course, not choosing is choosing -- but, with the wrong results.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally Posted by lexum:

Lawrence Krauss, a devout atheist, is Foundation Professor in the School of Earth and Space Exploration and Director of the ASU Origins Project at Arizona State University. He is the only physicist to have received the highest awards from all 3 major US professional physics societies

 

Krauss states "when computers [within 10 years] have a conscience we will consider them as a living thing"

Krauss also states that in the event computers are conscience life without humans is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

Your thoughts please.

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If computers became living beings with conscience, according to Lawrence Krauss, a devout atheist, there is a god. The creators of these computers would be gods, creators of life. These computers wouldn’t have created themselves. But as for organic life, which is the only kind of physical life, Man and Women can only produce by reproduction. Man can manipulate life but never create it. This goes back to the point that life had a beginning and in my opinion it wasn’t in a cesspool of chemicals spontaneously. In my opinion we were all created by a Loving God who by what ever means created us because of Love. A God who himself had a beginning Eons ago before the existence of this Universe in another Universe. And on a side note reincarnation as some believe requires a spirit or some sort of life to transfer to another existence when one ceases’ to exist. This would also require a beginning other than an amoeba with an explanation.

Skippy  

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 A God who himself had a beginning Eons ago before the existence of this Universe in another Universe.

 

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Then wouldn't the creator of your creator be your true god?

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Good Question. It had to begin somwhere.

Skippy

There is nothing that hints of a created God .

God has always been and always will be.

God has all knowledge and is the all powerful.

God exists as these.

God had knowledge of creation at any point in the form of some statement.

God has knowledge of any point in the future that can be in the form of a statement.

God is that statement past present and future.

God is that statement that was in the form of an expression which included the creation

See the statement as an extremely large mathematical expression but the expression exists and is God.

No one can deny that there existed beforehand a mathematical statement, whether or not the statement was ever executed, of the first instant of a big bang if you must call it that.

It is impossible to explain Gods origin. We have no knowledge of the master plan even at any point. God does.

Originally Posted by lexum:

There is nothing that hints of a created God .

God has always been and always will be.

God has all knowledge and is the all powerful.

God exists as these.

God had knowledge of creation at any point in the form of some statement.

God has knowledge of any point in the future that can be in the form of a statement.

God is that statement past present and future.

God is that statement that was in the form of an expression which included the creation

See the statement as an extremely large mathematical expression but the expression exists and is God.

No one can deny that there existed beforehand a mathematical statement, whether or not the statement was ever executed, of the first instant of a big bang if you must call it that.

It is impossible to explain Gods origin. We have no knowledge of the master plan even at any point. God does.

lexum may be the dumbest person on the forum.

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