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Jerusalem sabbath begins at sunset on Friday and ends on the sunset on Saturday. They are 8 hours ahead of us by the clock, so if their sabbath starts at say around 7 p.m. it would be 11 a.m our time. The apostles could not change the sabbath that would be breaking on of the Ten Commandments.

 

According to Jerusalem time Jesus was crucified on Thursday somewhere between 3-6 p.m. and he aroused on the first day which would have been around Jerusalem's time of the beginning of the first day which begins at sunset, somewhere after 6 p.m. which in our time that would be 10 a.m. on a Saturday.

 

Right now there are still 540 denomations that still beleives in the sabbath, not our sabbath, www.whochangedthesabbath.org  After all we still celebrate Christ's birthday on Dec. the 25th and there is no way HE was borned on that day at all.

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Jack, prove to me that Jesus was born on the 25th of December or anyone else that think they have proof.

Kate, prove to me that the Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week, Jesus and all the apostles, nor did Paul change it, man made the change. There is nowhere documented in the Holy Bilbe that the Sabbath was change to Sunday. Jewish Sabbath starts around 7pm on Friday until around 7pm on Saturday.

Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

No one changed the sabbath. Why think it's changed? Christians worship on the Lord's Day, the first day of the week. It's an example set in scripture.

 

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That has confused me forever.  I thought God rested on the 7th day.  Which would be the last day of the week.  We called that Sunday, a day of rest.

 

But on our calendars, Sunday kicks off a week of work with a day of rest.  So if God took his final resting day at the end of the week, why are we beginning..

 

I'm sure there is a simple explanation for this.  and has been gone over ad nausea.  But one more time, please.

 

Because we Methodist are so laid back and being retired, I want my day off to coincide with my beliefs.  I have several to pick from.

 

What about Sunday night? What about Wednesday night?  Classes before or after sermon? Communion before sermon or after? Standing on some songs and not others? Vacation Bible school? Homecoming ? Decoration Day?   An endless list of "I'm right you're wrong". which causes division that OUR Lord did not want. I'm probably not wrong in thinking Jesus looks at all this, and thinks "you're missing my point and reason of why I came ."

Originally Posted by dinosaur:

Jack, prove to me that Jesus was born on the 25th of December or anyone

else that think they have proof.

 

short version

 

 

I'm not sure I have what you would call proof, but I've heard the "it was too

cold to herd sheep". Bethleham is located at latitude 31.7. Dallas is located

at 32.8. December can be comfortable in Florence as we all know.

 

Also Cornelius Lapide said you could see sheperds and their sheep in the

fields late in December, which is higher than latitude than Bethleham.

The priestly course of Zacharias (Abijah) was serving during the second

week of the Jewish month of Tishri, the week of the atonement on the tenth

day of Tishri. Our calendar would land this anywhere from Sept.
22 to Oct. 8.

 

Zacharias and Elizabeth conceived John the Baptist right after Zacharias

served his course around the end of Sept. This would place the birth of

John around the end of June. Nativity of John was always june 24.

John is six months older than Jesus which would put the birth of Jesus

on Dec. 24 / 25.

 

Originally Posted by dinosaur:

Jack, prove to me that Jesus was born on the 25th of December or anyone else that think they have proof.

Kate, prove to me that the Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week, Jesus and all the apostles, nor did Paul change it, man made the change. There is nowhere documented in the Holy Bilbe that the Sabbath was change to Sunday. Jewish Sabbath starts around 7pm on Friday until around 7pm on Saturday.

 

1. No one changed the sabbath.

 

2. A few Christianstill worship on the sabbath--saturday.

 

3. The NT example is to worship on sunday--the Lord's day.

 

4. Two separate times--easily noted.

Are you people that stupid, the reason the Shabath was changed was so that the liquor stores could make money and the stock prices could go up due to all of the paper sacks that the hypocrites use to put their alcohol in. But really Constantine issued a decree making Sunday a day of rest on March 7, 321.  I got a friend who is Messianic Jew and she told me that there is no way that Sunday is the Sabbath.

Another view:

Who moved the Sabbath to Sunday?

First, let’s line up the usual suspects.

Did Rome do it?

If Rome changed the Sabbath to Sunday, it would only explain why Protestants and Roman Catholics worship on Sunday. It would not explain why Orthodox Christians worship on Sunday, and it certainly would not explain why Syriac, the Armenian, and Coptic Christians worship on Sunday, because they had very little contact with Rome until modern times. For example, the Armenian Apostolic Church does not celebrate Christmas, which originated in Rome in the fourth century. Instead, they celebrate the nativity of Jesus Christ on Epiphany. Rome could only have changed the day of worship before the fall of the Roman Empire, because after then communications weren’t good enough. However, during that period, Rome did not have much influence in the east.

Did the Emperor Constantine do it?

Constantine converted to Christianity after winning the battle of the Milvian Bridge. He wasn’t a very bright man and he did not have a coherent personal theology. After he became emperor, he reformed the tax system, passed laws protecting widows and orphans, donated money to churches, and sent his mother Helen to the Holy Land to preserve and restore all those sites that tourists visit even today. He passed a law that made all religions legal, and that ended the persecution of Christians. He convened and paid for the first ecumenical council in AD 325, but he was unable to understand the debates, let alone participate in them. He also changed the Roman week from ten days to seven days, so that Sunday, the Christian day of worship would always be a holiday. He did not make Christianity the state religion or do any of the other evil things often attributed to him—they were actually done by his successor, Theodosius, eighty years later. When Constantine instituted the seven-day week, he did it because Christians were already worshiping on Sunday and his purpose was to make it easier for them.

So who moved the Sabbath?

No one ever moved the Sabbath. In fact, if you look on page 283 of the Book of Common Prayer of the US Episcopal Church, you will find a service for Holy Saturday, the day before Easter Day. There is a prayer on that page that says, “O God, creator of heaven and earth: Grant that, as the crucified body of your dear Son was laid in the tomb and rested on this holy Sabbath, so we may await with him...”

When did worship on Sundays begin?

In the early centuries, Christians everywhere worshipped on Sunday. We know that from Christian writers who described ancient worship, such as Justin Martyr, who died in 157. All ancient churches, from Gaul to Armenia, had their main worship service on Sunday.

Why did ancient Christians worship on Sunday?

Sunday was the universal day of Christian worship because it is the day of the Resurrection, the day after the Sabbath, and the Feast of Firstfruits—which is why Paul calls Jesus’ resurrection the firstfruits of the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20). Since it is the first day of the week, it is also the eighth day of the previous week, the day of the new creation (the allusion in 2 Corinthians 5:17).

 

The Sabbath commandment does not require worship, it prohibits work. Worship can occur on any day. The synagogue originated during the Babylonian Captivity, not as a place of worship, but as an school to preserve Jewish heritage and religion in a foreign land.

 

In the first century, many Christians, both Jews and gentile “God-fearers,” continued to attend synagogue instruction on the Sabbath and then attended Christian worship on Sunday. Since the Roman week was ten days long at the time, Sunday didn’t always fall on the Roman weekend, so services were held before sunrise. In the 90s, the rabbis excommunicated the Christians and inserted wording into the synagogue liturgy that would make Christians very uncomfortable, even if they did attend. So we were left with just Sunday.

 

When Christianity became dominant in an area, it was common for larger churches to hold worship services on all days of the week.

Why do some people call Sunday the Sabbath?

The Sabbath is, of course, Saturday. As the Church grew and Christians came to outnumber Jews, there was talk of Sunday being like a Christian Sabbath. From there it was a short step to talk of Sunday as if it were the Sabbath. That’s not a bad comparison of the church and the synagogue. Sunday is not and it never has been the Sabbath.

How does one keep the Sabbath holy?

The word “Sabbath” is related to the Hebrew word for “rest,” and the primary duty of a Jew is to stop working on the Sabbath. Biblically, you keep the Sabbath holy by not working. In Orthodox Judaism, it is a sin to drive a car on the Sabbath, because the Law of Moses prohibits making fires on the Sabbath and cars have internal combustion engines—so driving a car amounts to making a series of little fires. Therefore, if you are an Orthodox Jew, and you live beyond walking distance of the synagogue, it is a sin to attend worship if you have to drive to get there.

 

Saturday is the Sabbath. Sunday is the Lord’s Day, because Jesus rested in the tomb on the Sabbath and rose on Sunday. Therefore the principal day of Christian worship has always been Sunday—until the 19th century when some Christians innovated the custom of worshiping on the Sabbath.

What’s a Christian to do?

The apostles had a meeting to decide which of the Jewish laws apply to non-Jewish Christians. Their decision is recorded in Acts 15:24-29. If you read it carefully, there is nothing in there about the Sabbath. Any modern Jewish rabbi would agree—the Sabbath law only applies to Jews. If you want to keep the Sabbath holy, you can follow Jesus’ example—you don’t have to go so far as to rest in a tomb, just do the resting part and abstain from work. Since Jesus rose from the grave on Sunday, that is the best day to celebrate it in worship.

 

However, there is no day of the week on which you must not worship. Your church can have its principal day of worship on Saturdays, if it likes. Your church could even have its principal day of worship on Tuesdays, for that matter. I admit, that would be a little odd, and it would be a break with the ancient church, but don’t let anyone tell you it is wrong. There is also nothing stopping you from worshiping every single day, and in fact I strongly recommend it. You can set up an oratory in a spare room or some other space and have personal or family devotions as often as four times a day using the Book of Common Prayer, other resources, or the Prayer Builder on this web site.

http://www.kencollins.com/answers/question-42.htm

Christ, while observing the Sabbath, set himself in word and act against

this absurd rigorism which made man a slave of the day. He reproved the

scribes and Pharisees for putting an intolerable burden on men's shoulders

(Matthew 23:4), and proclaimed the principle that "the sabbath was made

for man, and not man for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27).

 

He cured on the Sabbath, and defended His disciples for plucking ears

of corn on that day. In His arguments with the Pharisees on this account

He showed that the Sabbath is not broken in cases of necessity or by

acts of charity

(Matthew 12:3 . Mark 2:25 . Luke 6:3 . 14:5).

 

St. Paul enumerates the Sabbath among the Jewish observances

which are not obligatory on Christians

(Colossians 2:16; Galatians 4:9-10; Romans 14:5).

 

The gentile converts held their religious meetings on Sunday

(Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2) and with the disappearance of the

Jewish Christian churches this day was exclusively observed as

the Lord's Day.

 

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