Who said '....the Dems don't want our guns?'

Connecticut officials are urging owners of now-illegal assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines to relinquish them to the police or make them permanently inoperable.

yep.. they're coming for them.. better run hide in your 'bunker'.. i wouldn't come out for about 20 years or so.. you should be safe, by then.

of course we want your guns.

Go buy your own cheapskate!! 

I don't want anybody's guns. I don't have time to go shootin' the ones I got, and because of the idiots hoarding 22s, it is hard to get cheap ammo.

WHY is ammo being hoarded?

Tens of thousands of people who own semi-automatic weapons and high capacity magazines in NY state and Connecticut have refused to register the items or verify that the items are no longer in those states.  Gun control bigots are insisting the government move against them.  State legislators won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.  State AGs dread the idea of raiding thousands of home and attempting prosecution -- jury nullification is a real threat.  Leftists against a major peaceful civil resistance -- imagine that!

There are several reasons .22 ammo is in short supply -- new AR15 lookalikes that shoot .22, conversion kits that fire .22 in .45 and .223 firearms (much cheaper), preppers and hoarders, and second market sales.  The second market people take careful note of when .22 ammo comes in stores.  Then, show up early and buy the ammo -- subsequently selling it on the internet at a high markup.

From some of "them" that's doing it-

It is perceived by a number of people, mostly right wing gun nuts, and "preppers" that our monetary system, and for the most part , our civilized society will soon be crashing around our feet at that time, money will be worthless, and we will have to live by barter.

Apparently they have determined that the best trade item will be 22 LR . Don't ask me why they chose that particular ammo.. If I were in some survival situation like they envision, my preference would be a shotgun and shotgun shells, but such is their logic. I understand that they think one should keep a minimum of 20,000 rounds with no ceiling on a maximum number.

Was my past custom to buy a brick of 22s and when I used them, go get another brick, but then I never intended to hoard them for future calamity, just to hunt small game, and do some target shooting in my Mom's back yard.

These "preppers" even has their own tV show, and numerous web sites.

And , who knows, if we get another president like Bush, I guess it could happen.

Personally, I would rather invest my money in good dividend paying (what my dad called "widows and orphans ) stocks, but whatever floats your boat .

I kept wondering what had happened, the government purchase of ammunition has been relatively flat since the early 90s , and the manufactures are working full time producing even more ammunition than before. The ammunition companies were saying that people were hoarding but I couldn't understand why until I happened upon a friend of mine who "splained" it to me.

I know to a sane person this seems outrageous, but there are a lot of insane people out there and they (apparently) have 22s.

I wonder if the ammunition manufacturers have cut production in order to increase profit levels?

In other words, make half as many and charge three times as much per box.

More proof of Democrats attacking the 2nd Amendment and gun owners:

BELLEVUE, WA - Senator Feinstein is calling for a ban on the  importation of semi-automatic firearms she has labeled “assault  weapons” and “military style weapons”.

It was just a matter of time before Feinstein continued to attack our gun  rights. She is trying to recruit fellow Senators to sign off on a letter she is  sending to Obama demanding anti-gun legislation.

This is what the Obama Administration has been waiting for; a roundup of  anti-gun troops ready to attack our gun rights, and it is being lead once again  by Dianne Feinstein.

We defeated Feinstein’s wave of anti-gun legislation in 2013; we must do it  again NOW! We must flood the offices of every single U.S Senator demanding they  side with the Second Amendment Patriots of our country and protect our  rights.

Below are the important yet disturbing points in Feinstein’s letter  to Obama:

We urge ATF to close the loopholes that allow the importation of  military-style weapons into the United States. Such an approach should, at a  minimum:

• Prohibit importation of all semiautomatic rifles that can accept, or be  readily converted to accept, a large capacity ammunition magazine of more than  10 rounds, regardless of the military pedigree of the firearm or the  configuration of the firearm’s magazine well;
• Prohibit semiautomatic rifles with fixed magazines with a capacity of more  than 10 rounds;
• Prohibit the importation of the frame or receiver of any prohibited rifle,  regardless of whether it is incorporated into a fully manufactured firearm;
• Prohibit the practice of importing assault rifles in parts and then  constructing the rifles once they are in the United States by adding the  requisite number of American-made parts;
• Prohibit the use of a “thumbhole” stock as a means to avoid classification  of a rifle as an assault rifle; and
• Prohibit the importation of assault pistols, in addition to assault  rifles.

Feinstein is on record saying if she could take away every American’s  firearms, she would! Do not believe she is pushing for anti-gun legislation for  any reason other than keeping firearms out of the hands of Americans. If she  cared about stopping gun violence she would be focusing on the criminals that  are committing violent crimes.

Here is another ironic piece of Feinstein’s letter:

According to a memorandum by the Council on Foreign Relations published  in July 2013, over 70% of the 99,000 weapons recovered by Mexican law  enforcement since 2007 were traced to U.S. manufacturers and  importers.

I wonder how many of these recovered firearms in Mexico were given to  criminals by ATF themselves in the Fast and Furious debacle. Too bad she did not  mention that in the letter. It is almost certain that 100% of the weapons traced  to U.S manufacturers and importers were illegal firearms. Why does she not  concentrate on stopping criminals from possessing illegal firearms instead of  stopping law abiding citizens from obtaining legal firearms?

Since the re-election of Obama there has been constant pressure and threats  toward our Second Amendment. The only way to counteract these threats is for Law  Abiding gun owners to stand up against them. We must demand our Senators side  with the American people and protect our gun rights. We voted them in office,  they work for us, and they need to protect the rights of our United States’ law  abiding citizens.

Sincerely yours,

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From what I've read, production is still the same level over the last few years,

whenever a democrat is elected potus.. the NRA and other gun factions spend a ridiculous amount of time telling people, 'they're gonna take your guns'.. which in turn causes a 'panic' among the rt. wingnuts. the rt. wingnuts, in a panic, run out and buy all the ammo and guns they can find... causing a shortage. that, in turn, causes prices to skyrocket. makes the gun manufactures millions, makes the ammo producers millions.. makes the rt. wingnuts look foolish.. and the world keeps on spinning... such is political life in american.

But it ISN'T 'spin'.  Check out what IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING in several states with regards to confiscation. THEN, go read about what happened at Lexington and Concord all those years ago and TELL me that IT CAN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.  That's the point that apparently isn't getting into the closed minds of liberals.  What liberals also continually fail to understand is that the 2nd Amendment was added to the U.S. Constitution to PROTECT the 1st Amendment.  Are liberals as ready to forfeit the 1st Amendment as they are the 2nd?

Never mind.  I just remembered 'who' I'm addressing.......

just keep buying those guns.. the gun/ammo manufactures need the money. sooner or later.. you'll wake up and realize you're being fed a load of crap.. then, you'll put down the spoon.

try a quick google search for 'clinton is gonna take our guns'.. and see if you recognize the rhetoric.. then, replace clinton with ANY democrat.. it's the same articles.

Dog, this was in your last post.

If you prefer to donate by check, please mail to: The Citizens Committee  for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms 13000 NE Tenth Place Dept Code  156 Bellevue, Washington 98004

That's what the pro gun groups are really after.

Crash, you do understand that it hasn't happened yet because of citizens paying attention to what the left is doing?  They are protecting your rights also.  You, if you believe what the freedom hating left slanted press is putting out,  are the one's being fed crap.

We already have waiting periods and background checks.  That is enough hoops for law abiding citizens to jump through.  Why do you prefer laws that allow  criminals be armed and not law abiding citizens?

mA, please show where i said anything pertaining to the '2nd amendment' or taking away guns, in this thread. i didn't mention background checks.. i didn't mention banning any guns.. i made no mention of deterring your right to own a gun, in any way. then, i'd like for you to show me any laws that 'allow criminals to be armed and not law abiding citizens'... i'm willing to bet you can't.

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 Where's the problem? Anti-gun groups solicit and take donations. Do you have a problem with them too?

Boy. You really DID drink the liberal Kool-Aid,didn't you?

Too bad Republicans spent all their money on guns and bibles when Obama was elected. They could have invested in the stock market instead and doubled their money. Looks like Obama was right when he said conservatives "cling to their guns or religion."  This why the South will always be the most heavily armed and least educated part of the country.

Straight from the White House web site!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/site...is_the_time_full.pdf

4. Increasing access to mental health services

The liberal Democrats would be well-advised to remember that 'first part'.

we don't have to remember either part.. we're shown, daily!

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i just showed you where the flaw was in your logic.. and your reply was 'you really did drink the kool-aid'? and what did you drink, ayn rand's bath water?

I'm a lefty.  I own rifles, shotguns, and pistols.  I do not want or need 30 round clips.  I do not want an assault weapon. I want a defence weapon.  I support your right to have a gun.  

What restrictions do you feel is reasonable on private gun ownership?  There has to be a limit somewhere.

It's my right to own and drive a car, but I can't buy or drive an Indy race car on the street.  I'm not really upset because I can't drive one to the local market.

Again, if an authority figure comes to my house and asks about my guns, I'm gonna lie like a dog and deny having any.

Where, exactly, do you have a Constitutionally-protected 'right' to own and drive a car?

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I have no problem with any of those,
Seems to me, just from a logical prespective, that if a person is against background checks, and closing the loopholes, they may be either a criminal, and x criminal, or crazy. Why else would one object ?

Well because I own a gun that anti gunners classify as a military assault weapon and see no reason why I should not be able to own it.  Why would anyone be against me legally owing it, I am no criminal.  We all know that anti gunners would not stop with any assault weapon they will only be happy when we are like England and Australia in regards to gun ownership. 

You know it and I know it !

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Is it capable of being fully automatic ? Even if you do some file work on the firing mechanism ?

If it is not, then I would not classify it as a military assault weapon.

Did you purchase it at a place where you had to submit to a background check ?

If so, we know you are not crazy, not an ex con who has used a gun in a crime, and if you are a current criminal, you have not been caught.

My first background check was for my 44 Mag I bought in '68 or '69. had to wait 3 days back then , and it was in Memphis - far as I know it was only a local thing then.

The last two or three I have bought, required a background check which didn't take any longer than it did for me to write the check. I don't know what the big deal is.

I own several guns, rifles, shotguns, and pistols, but I don't consider myself a 'gun nut', as to me a gun is a tool - not unlike a hammer, or wrench. Like them, it has a specific purpose, and that is not to rant and rave and howl every time some right wingnut cries out that the Democrats are gonna come get your gun.  Chill ! even Moses couldn't convince me when he held up whatever that was at the NRA convention and shouted "out of my dead hand" that I had something to worry about . The NRA is a LOBBY ! Anything they can do, to get people to go spend money to buy another gun they don't really need, or can't afford, is what they do.
It's just a tool .

 The fact that we are even having this discussion is proof they have done a good snow job.

Dog, if the constitution or congress don't cover it, the state regulates it.  That is where my right to drive a car comes from.

I have about quit arguing this here because i will never make people like jt see the truth.  While jt may support our right to have an assault rifle, the liberal / democrat platform (as a whole), lead by Obama, does not.  They would do away with assault style weapons (aka AR 15's) tomorrow if they could.  Other states are ordering their residents to turn in their guns as we speak because they have been deemed 'illegal.'  And just where did these states get the 'lists' of the owners of these guns?  From 'common sense' registration requirements passed years before.  

"Again, if an authority figure comes to my house and asks about my guns, I'm gonna lie like a dog and deny having any." - jtdavis

When this happens, be it in 5 years or 50, and you have to 'lie like a dog', remember your blind faith in the democratic party is what brought it to pass.  When it does happen here, it will be too late to stop it at that point.  

No matter how much certain people here try to deny it, it is already taking place in various places in this country in one form or another.  Small 'trial cases' to see how far they can go.  As the liberals pack the courts, wherever possible, it will continue to go further until it is beyond our control.  Look no further than the 'zero tolerance' policies for an example of how quickly the anti gun campaign can change things without people realizing its happening.  Kids are now afraid to tell their friends about their weekend hunting trip with dad for fear of being suspended / expelled after being overheard talking about shooting their gun to kill their first deer.  

Well, that is a mistake in my opinion, but that does not stop the fact that we should try to keep arms away from crazies and criminals . It ain't all in or all out !
From my side , if someone tries to , say close the loopholes at gun sales, then the gun lobby screams that they are trying to take their guns away.,
You and I don't ' always agree on a lot politically, but wouldn't you say we should attempt to keep criminals from buing guns , and people from buying them and taking them up North to sell to gangsters in the big cities ?

There is a lot of room, and I mean a lot of room, between that and "taking your guns away".

Crash and other liberals, we don't need anymore gun control laws.  Do I think criminals should have guns? No, and most liberals would agree with me there, but keeping law abiding citizens from owning a certain style weapon will not stop the criminals.  And as good citizens we have to keep the government in check to keep them from passing any thing idiotic.  You calling someone a right wingnut because they object to any more government intrusion is way nuttier than the person that you are insulting. 

i didn't ask about 'gun control laws'... nor did i say anything about banning any weapons, yet here we are again.. 'they're gonna take our guns'... there can be no discussion of the topic. not as long as the rt. wingnuts battle cry is 'they're gonna take our guns'.

You are right we agree but that is not what we are talking about and a lot of elected reps on your side will not give up on banning guns they deem I should not own.

Privileges (driving a car) are granted by the government. Driving is a privilege.  'Rights' cannot be regulated.  You are BORN with 'rights'.  The government doesn't dispense them at their folly.

As you say this is just too easy!

Dianne Feinstein

“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY

Go to any licensed gun dealer or gun show and try to buy a gun without a background check or ID.

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And I would agree that Feinstein is wrong on that issue, but she is not the entire Democratic party.
I do agree, that most of the Democrats want to close the loopholes , and have background checks, but I don't agree that most Democrats want to take away all guns, at least not me !

I think that demographics has something to do with how people in general feel about guns.

People in the big cities and heavily populated areas, for the most part see them as a problem out  on the streets between gangs,. People in the South, and West, like me, see them as a tool for recreation and even a way of putting food on the table.  If you and I lived where gangs drove by every night shooting up other people , we may have a different view ourselves.